Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Pleural Effusion

2010-01-22 Thread Belinda Sauro

hi Jim,
  Is he on any lasix or spirnolactone, he should be on one or both?

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Pleural Effusion

2010-01-22 Thread James G Wilson
On 22 Jan 2010 at 18:15, Belinda Sauro wrote:

Is he on any lasix or spirnolactone, he should be on 
 one or both?

He's on Salix- which is the same class of diuretic. Another 
member wrote off list about a combo of stuff that she 
used to get her young cat well after having the exact 
same symptoms. 

She said, We started him on antibotics (Zenaquin - .25 
mg.), Interferon ( 1 Ml.) ,DMG ( 1ml), and Lysine (500 
mg.) and  1/2 pred 2ml.).  Mixed it all up in a needle-less 
syringe and squirited it in his mouth.I gave this to him for 
three weeks and he has never been sick again.

Has anyone else here had luck with this combo? I hate to 
give him this much diuretic because it will have adverse 
effects on his kidneys :(  Thanks again for any and all 
suggestions!

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Pleural Effusion

2010-01-22 Thread Belinda Sauro

Hi Jim,
 Fred's fluid build up was in his lungs I think pleural effusion is 
outside of the lungs.  Fred's was congestive heart failure.  He was on 
lasix alone at first and it didn't seem to be helping so I added the 
spirnolactone, that made all the difference almost immediately.  Once I 
got him stable the spirnolactone was enough and I gave him fluids every 
4 to 6 hours dividing his 150 total, spirnolactone is much easier on the 
kidneys. That worked for a while but then he started having the seizures 
and it was all down hill from there.


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Pleural Effusion

2010-01-22 Thread Sharyl
James, here is the Readers Digest version of my sweet Albert's issues:
1/07 dx severe periodontal disease
2/07 dx advances CRF, anemia
3/07 went into CHF and dx with severe HCM

He was getting daily sub q fluids for his kidneys and daily lasix (same as 
salix) for his heart.  His various vets gave him days to weeks to live.  He 
enjoyed another 1 1/2 yrs until his heart gave out.  

Seeing a cardio vet or internal med vet and having an u/s and EKG would help 
determine the cause of the pleural effusion.  Did your vet test the fluid that 
was drained?  Again that would help determine proper treatment.

There is a yahoo feline heart group with some good files.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/

Have you read the info on pleural effusion here?
http://www.petplace.com/cats/pleural-effusion-in-cats/page1.aspx
Pleural effusion is a symptom of many diseases, but is rarely a disease 
itself. Diagnostic tests are needed to determine the underlying cause, and 
subsequent treatment recommendations are based on these findings. The type of 
abnormal fluid accumulated can help determine the underlying cause of the 
fluid.


For Albert the lasix controlled the fluid build up in his lungs.  I adjusted 
his fluids and lasix daily based on how dehydrated he was and his breathing.  
You'll want to monitor his breaths while sleeping and not dreaming.  

Since Albert had been written off by his vets I threw the kitchen sink at his 
health problems.  He got phosphorus binders and potassium supplement for his 
kidneys; NutriVed, B12 and folic acid for the anemia; and L-carnitine, 
L-arginine, DMG, taurine, and lactoferrin for his heart; Clindamycin one week a 
month for the periodontal disease.  I assist feed him with a syringe every day. 
 His meds were mixed into the food I syringe fed.  

Until two days before he died he still begged to go outside for his daily walk 
and could still jump up on the bed.

You really need a more definitive dx from a vet before you can determine the 
correct treatment plan.  In the end you give the meds needed to manage the root 
problem.  Syringing meds works.  If you can pill LG, you can usually put 
several pills into a gel cap to limit the no. of pills you have to give him.

Good luck
Sharyl

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote:

 From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: Pleural Effusion

 
 He's on Salix- which is the same class of diuretic. Another
 
 member wrote off list about a combo of stuff that she 
 used to get her young cat well after having the exact 
 same symptoms. 
 
 She said, We started him on antibotics (Zenaquin - .25 
 mg.), Interferon ( 1 Ml.) ,DMG ( 1ml), and Lysine (500 
 mg.) and  1/2 pred 2ml.).  Mixed it all up in a
 needle-less 
 syringe and squirited it in his mouth.I gave this to him
 for 
 three weeks and he has never been sick again.
 
 Has anyone else here had luck with this combo? I hate to 
 give him this much diuretic because it will have adverse 
 effects on his kidneys :(  Thanks again for any and
 all 
 suggestions!
 
 James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
 http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research 
 Support)
 http://www.facebook.com/crambone
 http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL)



  

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