Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-12 Thread dlgegg
to get them into the blanket is the problem.  my blessed children seem to know 
what i am up to and are always 1 step ahead of me.  dorlis
 Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: 
 Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice,  
 thick blanket helps.  It may or may not calm the cat but it offers  
 protection for the person.
 On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote:
 
 
  OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only  
  one who has had a hellion!  But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!
 
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo
 
 
 
  From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
  mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
  contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never  
  gets
  sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect  
  his brain
  consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling  
  session into
  carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never  
  need
  life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing  
  you. (I
  suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a  
  transdermal
  option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and  
  there and
  he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws.
 
  Diane R.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
  Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for  
  vet trip,
  getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the  
  times you
  realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans  
  are!
  Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us  
  not to
  learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the  
  meds
  into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me.  
  Pill
  pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in  
  between a
  couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then  
  will just
  look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help.  
  S,
  do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least  
  one cat
  for whom pilling was a nightmare.
 
 
 
  I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking  
  small
  pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty  
  likes-ham,
  turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing  
  it cause
  the cat will catch on after a couple of times.
 
 
 
  Christiane Biagi
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan  
  Yalvac
  Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
  Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.
 
 
 
  He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.
 
 
 
  It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but  
  those
 
  cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
 
  Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.
 
 
 
  Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
 
  manage to medicate a cat orally?
 
 
 
  On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net  
  wrote:
 
  What are the pills?
 
 
 
  Gary
 
 
 
  Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi, All,
 
 
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week  
  ago
 
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the
  vet
 
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and  
  antibiotics
 
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days.  
  He
 
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days.  
  However
 
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two  
  times to
 
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
 
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Bugra
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-12 Thread dlgegg
would that apply to all litters or just clay?  i am using Fresh Results from 
Walmrt (have discontinuted at all stores in my area so have to drive 1 - 1/2 
hrs to get it.  they have dropped it in over 500 stores, but still have a lock 
on it so no other stores can sell under that name. Petsmart has it under 
another name at double the price) it is corn/pine, same texture as clay, but 
biodegradeable, weighs half as much as clay and my babies all love it.  it also 
takes care of odor.  Arm and Hammer has same formula, but finer texture and it 
tracks like crazy.  Feline Pine is good on everything except texture, comes in 
pellets and my guys and girls don't like it.  hurts their paws or so it seems, 
shake their feet when get out of box because it sticks between pads. dorlis
 Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: 
 Eating litter is usually a sign of anemia, was he checked for that?
 
 -- 
 
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 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
 http://bemikitties.com
 
 http://BelindaSauro.com
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-11 Thread Debbie Bates

LOL...yep, tried that, too.my scars-let me show you them

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: maima...@duo-county.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:45:00 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice, 
 thick blanket helps. It may or may not calm the cat but it offers 
 protection for the person.
 On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote:
 
 
  OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only 
  one who has had a hellion! But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!
 
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
  From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
  mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
  contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never 
  gets
  sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect 
  his brain
  consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling 
  session into
  carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never 
  need
  life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing 
  you. (I
  suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a 
  transdermal
  option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and 
  there and
  he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws.
 
  Diane R.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
  Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for 
  vet trip,
  getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the 
  times you
  realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans 
  are!
  Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us 
  not to
  learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the 
  meds
  into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me. 
  Pill
  pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in 
  between a
  couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then 
  will just
  look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help. 
  S,
  do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least 
  one cat
  for whom pilling was a nightmare.
 
 
 
  I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking 
  small
  pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty 
  likes-ham,
  turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing 
  it cause
  the cat will catch on after a couple of times.
 
 
 
  Christiane Biagi
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan 
  Yalvac
  Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
  Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.
 
 
 
  He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.
 
 
 
  It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but 
  those
 
  cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
 
  Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.
 
 
 
  Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
 
  manage to medicate a cat orally?
 
 
 
  On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net 
  wrote:
 
  What are the pills?
 
 
 
  Gary
 
 
 
  Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:
 
 
 
  Hi, All,
 
 
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week 
  ago
 
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the
  vet
 
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and 
  antibiotics
 
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. 
  He
 
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. 
  However
 
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two 
  times to
 
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
 
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Bugra
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-11 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
Noodles and ninja stars- that's hilarious! Made me LOL for real. I've
had a few like that in my day. And a female like that now. God forbid
she should ever need pilling.

=8-O

-Original Message-
From: Diane Rosenfeldt [mailto:drosenfe...@wi.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets
sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his
brain
consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session
into
carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never need
life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you. (I
suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a
transdermal
option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there
and
he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. 

Diane R.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-11 Thread Gary
Actually, doxy is available in liquid form and this is the form that 
should always be used with cats.  If a doxy tablet gets stuck going down 
it will do serious damage to the esophagus.  I haven't tried grinding a 
prednisone and putting it in food, but you might try that.  I find cat 
food like salmon are pretty good at hiding some bad tasting meds, also a 
little karo or pancake  syrup can help with bitter meds mixed in food.


You are by far not the only person who has a problem pilling cats.  I 
have one that the vet can always get the first pill into, but I have 
never gotten one down him yet by pilling, only by mixing with food.  I 
have several cats that won't even look at a pill pocket when it doesn't 
have a pill in it, much less when it does.


Gary



Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
manage to medicate a cat orally?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
  

What are the pills?

Gary

Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:


Hi, All,

I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

Thanks,
Bugra



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

Yes, but don't get me started on thathow can you research with NO medical 
staff?

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: fs...@roadrunner.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:55:28 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about 
 two years ago?
 Sue
 - Original Message - 
 From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
  I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of 
  my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I 
  drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her 
  backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw 
  with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be 
  cautious
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
  From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Agreed.
 
  Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to 
  visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to 
  crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
 
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
   We have trapped two large groups. In
   each group one was FeLV+. None of the
   others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
   colony. The other guy
   was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
   had a negative
   living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
   never tested
   positive.
   Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
   and separate. Not
   the vet's decision. Yours.
   L
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
   Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
   have they been living
   with that group of cats?
  
   We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
   at least 4 years
   now. She and a small feral colony came with the
   house. Last year I tested
   her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
   him and he was
   negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
   within a healthy adult
   population.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
  
From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
   and
father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
   fixed. I
went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
   fixed
and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
   other
cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
   they
aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
   Crystal
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

Crystal, please don't paint all sanctuaries with the same brush...I am sure 
there are good, loving places...it is my dream to have my own sanctuary one 
dayjust be sure to do your homework and I'm sure you would do just fine.

Debbie (COL)
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 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:22:03 -0800
 From: crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the sanctuary idea.  I don't want them to live a 
 horrible life.  Plus all the places I have contacted are full.  I have an 
 appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a few days before that I 
 have to start trying to catch her.  I am getting a live trap.  Shes friendly 
 but you can't pick her up and put her in a cage.  I am hoping they will keep 
 her over the holiday to observe her and let her heal before I let her go back 
 outside.  I dont think its my place to make the choice to end her life...or 
 the male cats life either.  There are several people that care for them and 
 feed them and its only those two cats that live there.  I think I will just 
 get them both fixed to prevent kittens and continue on with what we do.
  
  
  
  
 ---
  
  
 Frank  Sue Koren
 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800
 Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about 
 two years ago? 
 Sue
 - Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my 
 feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove 
 down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet 
 me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes 
 that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Agreed.
 
 Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to 
 visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to 
 crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
  We have trapped two large groups. In
  each group one was FeLV+. None of the
  others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
  colony. The other guy
  was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
  had a negative
  living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
  never tested
  positive.
  Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
  and separate. Not
  the vet's decision. Yours.
  L
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
  have they been living
  with that group of cats?
 
  We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
  at least 4 years
  now. She and a small feral colony came with the
  house. Last year I tested
  her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
  him and he was
  negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
  within a healthy adult
  population.
 
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
   From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
   Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
   sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
  and
   father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
  fixed. I
   went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
  fixed
   and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
  other
   cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
  they
   aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
   sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
  Crystal
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Patricia . A . Elkins
Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

The vet can sell you a pill popper - a little device that helps some 
people get those pills
down them.
What I would do is to grind up the pills and mix with meat based human 
baby food and a little
water.  Then use a syringe, without a needle, to squirt this into the 
cat's mouth but not
down his throat.  If a cat isn't eating, he needs assisted feeding until 
you see if the medicines
are going to make a difference.  When I am syringe feeding a non-eating 
cat, I give them 
a syringe of food, a syringe of water or pedialyte, a blob of nutrical 
that I try to wipe off my finger
onto the upper palate of the cat so it is harder to spit out, and cycle 
around that way until the
cat has no more patience for the proceedure.  For a grown cat of any size, 
I would aim to
get at the very minimum, one jar of baby food in him per day.  Two jars 
would be much better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

I have had amazing success with Pill Pockets

Debbie (COL)
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 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:53:23 -0600
 From: bugrahanyal...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Hi, All,
 
 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Heather
I have found that several of my cats who won't eat the pill pockets, will
eat a pill inside another soft-type treat like Whisker Lickins or hairball
treats.

The Whisker Lickins are more crumbly than PP and sometimes you need to use
more than one but mine seem to like the flavor more than PP..

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:


 I have had amazing success with Pill Pockets

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  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:53:23 -0600
  From: bugrahanyal...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Hi, All,
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Bugrahan Yalvac
Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
manage to medicate a cat orally?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
 What are the pills?

 Gary

 Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

 Hi, All,

 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Bugrahan Yalvac
Thank-you! I will try this!

Bugra

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:27 AM,  patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:
Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

 The vet can sell you a pill popper - a little device that helps some
 people get those pills
 down them.
 What I would do is to grind up the pills and mix with meat based human
 baby food and a little
 water.  Then use a syringe, without a needle, to squirt this into the
 cat's mouth but not
 down his throat.  If a cat isn't eating, he needs assisted feeding until
 you see if the medicines
 are going to make a difference.  When I am syringe feeding a non-eating
 cat, I give them
 a syringe of food, a syringe of water or pedialyte, a blob of nutrical
 that I try to wipe off my finger
 onto the upper palate of the cat so it is harder to spit out, and cycle
 around that way until the
 cat has no more patience for the proceedure.  For a grown cat of any size,
 I would aim to
 get at the very minimum, one jar of baby food in him per day.  Two jars
 would be much better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

or a softened piece of cheese!

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 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:40:55 -0500
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 I have found that several of my cats who won't eat the pill pockets, will
 eat a pill inside another soft-type treat like Whisker Lickins or hairball
 treats.
 
 The Whisker Lickins are more crumbly than PP and sometimes you need to use
 more than one but mine seem to like the flavor more than PP..
 
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
  I have had amazing success with Pill Pockets
 
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:53:23 -0600
   From: bugrahanyal...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Hi, All,
  
   I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
   he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
   and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
   and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
   was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
   for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
   med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
  
   Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
  
   Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Sharyl
Crystal, if it is just those two cats in the colony then fixing and returning 
them is a good option.  It sounds like they are well fed. 

I have used a large carrier for trapping.  I tie a strong string to the door, 
place food inside and pull the door shut when they go in to eat.  You would 
want to practice at home 1st.  I put a small piece of wood under the front so 
the grass doesn't prevent the door from pulling shut.  I use warm chicken (no 
bones or skin) and leave a trail to the carrier.  You might want to do this for 
a few days before you want to trap them to get them used to eating the chicken 
and following it into the carrier.
Good Luck
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 7:22 PM
 Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the
 sanctuary idea.  I don't want them to live a horrible
 life.  Plus all the places I have contacted are full.  I
 have an appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a
 few days before that I have to start trying to catch her. 
 I am getting a live trap.  Shes friendly but you can't pick
 her up and put her in a cage.  I am hoping they will keep
 her over the holiday to observe her and let her heal before
 I let her go back outside.  I dont think its my place to
 make the choice to end her life...or the male cats life
 either.  There are several people that care for them and
 feed them and its only those two cats that live there.  I
 think I will just get them both fixed to prevent kittens and
 continue on with what we do.
  
  
  
  
 ---
  
  
 Frank  Sue Koren
 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800
 Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching
 snake venom about two years ago? 
 Sue
 - Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the
 'sanctuary' one of my feral fosters was taken to has been
 closed down by law enforcement...I drove down there the day
 after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me
 just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw
 with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than
 death'.please be cautious 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle  Philo
 
 
 
 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
 
 Agreed.
 
 Also, be very careful about so-called
 sanctuaries. You really need to visit them personally to
 be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and
 burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
  We have trapped two large groups. In
  each group one was FeLV+. None of the
  others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was
 returned to the
  colony. The other guy
  was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on
 this list
  had a negative
  living with a group of positives for about 6
 years. He
  never tested
  positive.
  Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the
 cats inside
  and separate. Not
  the vet's decision. Yours.
  L
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
 
  Have all the other outside cats been
 tested?  How long
  have they been living
  with that group of cats?
 
  We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at
 our house for
  at least 4 years
  now.  She and a small feral colony came
 with the
  house.  Last year I tested
  her best buddy because I thought I might have
 a home for
  him and he was
  negative.  So it really isn't that
 transmissible
  within a healthy adult
  population.
 
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
   From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52
 PM
   Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any
 cat
   sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+
 cats.  The mother
  and
   father cats of my kittens are semi-feral
 and not
  fixed.  I
   went to the vet today to make
 appointments to get them
  fixed
   and they want me to euthanize them
 instead to protect
  other
   cats.  However, I don't think I can
 do

Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Sharyl
Thankfully she is safe now.
Bless you for saving her a second time.
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 4:53 PM
 
 Yes, it was.  I was totally prepared to give this guy
 the benefit of the doubt at first..you know, local politics
 and alllbut it resembled a concentration camp far more
 than anything that could be called sanctuaryI'm still
 having nightmares.  My little girl came home with a
 respiratory infection, injured eye and significant weight
 loss from when she left my care less than 6 weeks ago. 
 There were many, many more who needed to be on meds...but
 every cat there had supposedly been vetted by the 5 rescue
 vets that descended on the place.  Even the friendly
 cats were clearly traumatized stillmy heart just
 breaks.  I don't know what in the world will become of
 Portia nowbut she is safe, warm and loved...I will work
 very hard to get her to where she lets me handle herI am
 already making progressand there is hope.
 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle  Philo
 
 



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

Yes, but you can't imagine the guilt I feel for not being able to take more 
with me...

Debbie (COL)
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 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:27:17 -0800
 From: cline...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Thankfully she is safe now.
 Bless you for saving her a second time.
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Chris
Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip,
getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you
realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans are!
Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to
learn-LOL.  You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds
into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me.  Pill
pockets are great -if your cat likes them.  Sneaking a pill in between a
couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just
look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help.  S,
do not feel you are alone.  I suspect each of us has had at least one cat
for whom pilling was a nightmare.  

 

I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure.  Try sneaking small
pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham,
turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause
the cat will catch on after a  couple of times.  

 

Christiane Biagi

 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 

Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

 

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

 

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those

cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.

Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

 

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot

manage to medicate a cat orally?

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 What are the pills?

 

 Gary

 

 Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

 

 Hi, All,

 

 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago

 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet

 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics

 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He

 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However

 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to

 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

 

 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

 

 Thanks,

 Bugra

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Eating litter is usually a sign of anemia, was he checked for that?

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread dlgegg
GET A NEW VET!  an informed vet will give you options.  mine did and my 2 
positive girls are doing just fine.  just keep anyone who is negative 
vacinnated, give them love, good food and keep stress low. 

 Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  
 The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed.  I 
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me 
 to euthanize them instead to protect other cats.  However, I don't think I 
 can do that because they aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to 
 get sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks - Crystal
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread dlgegg
 lost my first response.  Harley and Dee helped me.  they have discovered the 
curser on the screen and loe t o help mother type.  
hang in there and be patient.  i hve found that it takes anywhere from 6 - 8 
months to socialize a feral much less one that has sufferred any trauma.  just 
give her lots of love.
 Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
Yes, it was.  I was totally prepared to give this guy the benefit of the doubt 
at first..you know, local politics and alllbut it resembled a concentration 
camp far more than anything that could be called sanctuaryI'm still having 
nightmares.  My little girl came home with a respiratory infection, injured eye 
and significant weight loss from when she left my care less than 6 weeks ago.  
There were many, many more who needed to be on meds...but every cat there had 
supposedly been vetted by the 5 rescue vets that descended on the place.  
Even the friendly cats were clearly traumatized stillmy heart just breaks.  
I don't know what in the world will become of Portia nowbut she is safe, 
warm and loved...I will work very hard to get her to where she lets me handle 
herI am already making progressand there is hope.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:46:25 -0500
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Was that 10th Life? Ok if you wish not to answer, of course.
 
 Thank you for going after your former foster!
 
 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
  I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of
  my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I
  drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her
  backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw
  with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be
  cautious
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
   From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Agreed.
  
   Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
  visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
  crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
  
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
We have trapped two large groups. In
each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L
   
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
have they been living
with that group of cats?
   
We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
at least 4 years
now. She and a small feral colony came with the
house. Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
him and he was
negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
within a healthy adult
population.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
wrote:
   
 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
fixed. I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
other
 cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread dlgegg
why did they take on so many cats if they were not capable of caring for them?  
are they hoarders?  if i could, i would take in every stray/feral cat and dog 
in my county, but i know i cannt give them the attention and afford food and 
vet bills, so i stick to my limit of 8.  it was 6, but Harley and Dee were 
going to animal control if i did not take them in.  that means they would be 
shot or worse, so of course, i took them.  my buddy fro school calls me sucker. 
 i intended to foster them until the vet helped me find a home for them, tried 
not to name them.  oh well, they do provide a lot of intertainment.  dorlis
 Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Thank you for going back and getting her.
 
 For anyone reading, I know as if anyone here has room, but fyi in hopes of
 spreading the word, there are still I believe around 200 cats needing to be
 placed, and they can be viewed on Petfinder, City of Labella Animal
 Contral...there are ferals needing safe barn homes/relocation, and adoptable
 cats, even declawed cats from what I understand.
 
 http://www.petfinder.com/shelterSearch/shelterSearch.cgi?offset=25limit=25tmpl=0shelterid=FL708sort=status=preview=1
 
 2009/12/9 Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
 
 
  Yepand you can't imagine how difficult it was...do you know how much
  all black cats look alike??  But she was so small and floofy and scared that
  I knew her the moment I laid eyes on herthank goodness the vet
  accidentally microchipped her when she was spayed.
 
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo
 
 
 
   From: lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:51:49 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Debbie, did you find your cat? What a miracle if you did.
   L
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
   Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:44 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
  
   I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of
  my
   feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I
  drove
   down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her
  backlet
   me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own
   eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
   Debbie (COL)
   Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
  
  
  
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Agreed.
   
Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
   visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
   crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
   
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?

 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now. She and a small feral colony came with the
 house. Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.

 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral

Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread dlgegg
that sounds like a good idea, no more kittens and someone to feed and watch 
over them.

 Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the sanctuary idea.  I don't want them to live a 
 horrible life.  Plus all the places I have contacted are full.  I have an 
 appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a few days before that I 
 have to start trying to catch her.  I am getting a live trap.  Shes friendly 
 but you can't pick her up and put her in a cage.  I am hoping they will keep 
 her over the holiday to observe her and let her heal before I let her go back 
 outside.  I dont think its my place to make the choice to end her life...or 
 the male cats life either.  There are several people that care for them and 
 feed them and its only those two cats that live there.  I think I will just 
 get them both fixed to prevent kittens and continue on with what we do.
  
  
  
  
 ---
  
  
 Frank  Sue Koren
 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800
 Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about 
 two years ago? 
 Sue
 - Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my 
 feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove 
 down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet 
 me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes 
 that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo
 
 
 
 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Agreed.
 
 Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to 
 visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to 
 crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
  We have trapped two large groups. In
  each group one was FeLV+. None of the
  others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
  colony. The other guy
  was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
  had a negative
  living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
  never tested
  positive.
  Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
  and separate. Not
  the vet's decision. Yours.
  L
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
  have they been living
  with that group of cats?
 
  We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
  at least 4 years
  now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
  house.  Last year I tested
  her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
  him and he was
  negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
  within a healthy adult
  population.
 
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
   From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
   Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
   sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
  and
   father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
  fixed.  I
   went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
  fixed
   and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
  other
   cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
  they
   aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
   sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
  Crystal
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Crystal Proper


Setting the live trap tonight to take them in to get fixed this coming week.  
Just found out the owner is moving his business from that building so 
there won't be anyone there to feed them daily.  My husband and I go down there 
every couple days to feed them as well but we are probably moving 4 hours 
away.  I am worried there won't be anyone to care for them anymore.  They arent 
completely feral...they always let us pet them and one sits on our laps and 
runs to us as soon as he sees us.

-




   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Agreed.
  
   Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
  visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
  crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
  
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
We have trapped two large groups. In
each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L
   
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
have they been living
with that group of cats?
   
We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
at least 4 years
now. She and a small feral colony came with the
house. Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
him and he was
negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
within a healthy adult
population.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
wrote:
   
 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
fixed. I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
other
 cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread dlgegg
my Snuggles was healthy outside of infection, not stressed, but he did not like 
pills.  my only solution was to take him to the vet every day.  at home, he 
tried to kill me every time i gave him a pill.  at the vet's he was an angel.  
savved me a few trips to the hospital for transfusions.  dorlis
 Bugrahan Yalvac bugrahanyal...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.
 
 He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.
 
 It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
 cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
 Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.
 
 Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
 manage to medicate a cat orally?
 
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
  What are the pills?
 
  Gary
 
  Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:
 
  Hi, All,
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread dlgegg
join the group.  dorlis
 Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Yes, but you can't imagine the guilt I feel for not being able to take more 
 with me...
 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo
 
 
  
  Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:27:17 -0800
  From: cline...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
  Thankfully she is safe now.
  Bless you for saving her a second time.
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets
sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his brain
consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session into
carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never need
life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you. (I
suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a transdermal
option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there and
he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. 

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip,
getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you
realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans are!
Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to
learn-LOL.  You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds
into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me.  Pill
pockets are great -if your cat likes them.  Sneaking a pill in between a
couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just
look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help.  S,
do not feel you are alone.  I suspect each of us has had at least one cat
for whom pilling was a nightmare.  

 

I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure.  Try sneaking small
pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham,
turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause
the cat will catch on after a  couple of times.  

 

Christiane Biagi

 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 

Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.

 

He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.

 

It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those

cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.

Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.

 

Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot

manage to medicate a cat orally?

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 What are the pills?

 

 Gary

 

 Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

 

 Hi, All,

 

 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago

 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the 
 vet

 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics

 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He

 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However

 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to

 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

 

 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

 

 Thanks,

 Bugra

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

If they can be handled, they can be adopted...they are NOT feral.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:27:36 -0800
 From: crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 Setting the live trap tonight to take them in to get fixed this coming week.  
 Just found out the owner is moving his business from that building so there 
 won't be anyone there to feed them daily.  My husband and I go down there 
 every couple days to feed them as well but we are probably moving 4 hours 
 away.  I am worried there won't be anyone to care for them anymore.  They 
 arent completely feral...they always let us pet them and one sits on our laps 
 and runs to us as soon as he sees us.
 
 -
 
 
 
 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Agreed.
   
Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
   visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
   crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
   
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?

 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now. She and a small feral colony came with the
 house. Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.

 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
 fixed. I
  went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
 fixed
  and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
 other
  cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
 they
  aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
  sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
 Crystal
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Crystal Proper
Oh okay.  Yes, they like us to pet them, just not picked up.  I have 
also contacted a couple FeLV+ in PA and NJ..one said they were full...waiting 
on some others responses.  I will drive up to 5 hours away if I have too for a 
good home for them...sooner the better because I am 31 weeks pregnant.



- Original Message 
From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, December 10, 2009 6:51:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries


If they can be handled, they can be adopted...they are NOT feral.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo



 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:27:36 -0800
 From: crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 Setting the live trap tonight to take them in to get fixed this coming week.  
 Just found out the owner is moving his business from that building so there 
 won't be anyone there to feed them daily.  My husband and I go down there 
 every couple days to feed them as well but we are probably moving 4 hours 
 away.  I am worried there won't be anyone to care for them anymore.  They 
 arent completely feral...they always let us pet them and one sits on our laps 
 and runs to us as soon as he sees us.
 
 -
 
 
 
 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Agreed.
   
Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
   visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
   crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
   
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?

 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now. She and a small feral colony came with the
 house. Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.

 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
 fixed. I
  went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
 fixed
  and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
 other
  cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
 they
  aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
  sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Debbie Bates

OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only one who has 
had a hellion!  But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
 mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
 contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never gets
 sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect his brain
 consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling session into
 carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never need
 life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing you. (I
 suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a transdermal
 option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and there and
 he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws. 
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet trip,
 getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the times you
 realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans are!
 Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us not to
 learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the meds
 into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me. Pill
 pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in between a
 couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then will just
 look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help. S,
 do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least one cat
 for whom pilling was a nightmare. 
 
 
 
 I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking small
 pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty likes-ham,
 turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing it cause
 the cat will catch on after a couple of times. 
 
 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan Yalvac
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.
 
 
 
 He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.
 
 
 
 It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
 
 cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
 
 Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.
 
 
 
 Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
 
 manage to medicate a cat orally?
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
 
  What are the pills?
 
  
 
  Gary
 
  
 
  Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:
 
  
 
  Hi, All,
 
  
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
 
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the 
  vet
 
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
 
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
 
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
 
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
 
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
  
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
  
 
  Thanks,
 
  Bugra
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Sharyl
Funny I said the same thing when my sweet Albert was dx with severe periodontal 
disease, advanced CRF, went into CHF and was dx with severe HCM all within 30 
days.  Thank goodness it wasn't his sister Pequita.  She'd never tolerate 
getting sub q fluids let alone all the pills.  

Of course we immediately took her in for a senior wellness check and she was dx 
with stage 1 CRF.  She has been getting fluids for 2 yrs now and is a little 
angel.  Pills are another issue.  I have yet to successfully pill her.  She 
either gets liquid meds or I crush them and put them in meat baby food.  They 
do surprise you once in a while.  She just turned 17 and still isn't a lap 
kitty.  Does like to lay on my feet.
Sharyl

--- On Thu, 12/10/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:37 PM
 We are so grateful that our one cat
 who needs meds, Luc, is very
 mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no
 trouble. In
 contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats,
 Tribble, never gets
 sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we
 suspect his brain
 consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a
 cuddling session into
 carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You
 better never need
 life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice
 knowing you. (I
 suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for
 a transdermal
 option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc
 here and there and
 he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of
 claws. 
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a
 carrier for vet trip,
 getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are
 the times you
 realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined
 then we humans are!
 Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be
 determined for us not to
 learn-LOL.  You can try a compounding pharmacy that
 will mix up the meds
 into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked
 for me.  Pill
 pockets are great -if your cat likes them.  Sneaking a
 pill in between a
 couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on
 and then will just
 look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that
 will help.  S,
 do not feel you are alone.  I suspect each of us has
 had at least one cat
 for whom pilling was a nightmare.  
 
  



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Cougar Clan
Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice,  
thick blanket helps.  It may or may not calm the cat but it offers  
protection for the person.

On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote:



OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only  
one who has had a hellion!  But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!


Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo




From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very
mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In
contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never  
gets
sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect  
his brain
consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a cuddling  
session into
carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, You better never  
need
life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it was nice knowing  
you. (I
suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll be praying for a  
transdermal
option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and  
there and

he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of claws.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for  
vet trip,
getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the  
times you
realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we humans  
are!
Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us  
not to
learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up the  
meds
into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked for me.  
Pill
pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in  
between a
couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then  
will just
look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that will help.  
S,
do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least  
one cat

for whom pilling was a nightmare.



I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking  
small
pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty  
likes-ham,
turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep changing  
it cause

the cat will catch on after a couple of times.



Christiane Biagi



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan  
Yalvac

Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries



Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.



He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.



It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but  
those


cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.

Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.



Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot

manage to medicate a cat orally?



On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net  
wrote:



What are the pills?







Gary







Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:







Hi, All,






I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week  
ago



he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the
vet


and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and  
antibiotics


and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days.  
He


was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days.  
However


for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two  
times to



med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.







Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?







Thanks,



Bugra



















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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Tribble has been a real learning experience, and there have been many times
we've thought how much easier it would be for the other cats if he weren't
in the mix, because he's often an aggressive little bully. But we would no
sooner part with him than our own noses, and once you understand him he can
be endearing (as long as you don't look away and miss the nanosecond when
your skritches become annoying...)

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries


OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only one who
has had a hellion!  But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very 
 mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In 
 contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never 
 gets sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we suspect 
 his brain consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn a 
 cuddling session into carnage at a split second's notice. We tell him, 
 You better never need life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you do...it 
 was nice knowing you. (I suspect that if he ever does need meds we'll 
 be praying for a transdermal
 option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and 
 there and he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of
claws.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet 
 trip, getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the 
 times you realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then we
humans are!
 Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us 
 not to learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up 
 the meds into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked 
 for me. Pill pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a 
 pill in between a couple of soft treats works for a while but they 
 catch on and then will just look at you as you make weird kitty sounds 
 thinking that will help. S, do not feel you are alone. I suspect 
 each of us has had at least one cat for whom pilling was a nightmare.
 
 
 
 I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking 
 small pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the kitty 
 likes-ham, turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have to keep 
 changing it cause the cat will catch on after a couple of times.
 
 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan 
 Yalvac
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 
 Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.
 
 
 
 He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.
 
 
 
 It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but those
 
 cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.
 
 Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.
 
 
 
 Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot
 
 manage to medicate a cat orally?
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:
 
  What are the pills?
 
  
 
  Gary
 
  
 
  Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:
 
  
 
  Hi, All,
 
  
 
  I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week 
  ago
 
  he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the 
  vet
 
  and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and 
  antibiotics
 
  and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. 
  He
 
  was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. 
  However
 
  for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times 
  to
 
  med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.
 
  
 
  Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?
 
  
 
  Thanks,
 
  Bugra
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-10 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
We do this, but invariably Luc manages to wiggle, Houdini-like, free at
least once during every feeding session.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Just in case you haven't tried it, gently wrapping a cat in a nice, thick
blanket helps.  It may or may not calm the cat but it offers protection for
the person.
On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Debbie Bates wrote:


 OMG, the exact words I said to my Baby Ruben..glad I'm not the only 
 one who has had a hellion!  But, my oh my, how he owned my heart!!

 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo



 From: drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:37:00 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 We are so grateful that our one cat who needs meds, Luc, is very 
 mild-mannered. We can drop a pill down his throat with no trouble. In 
 contrast, we are hoping that one of our other cats, Tribble, never 
 gets sick. He has been a hellion since the day he was born (we 
 suspect his brain consists of noodles and ninja stars) and will turn 
 a cuddling session into carnage at a split second's notice. We tell 
 him, You better never need life-saving pills, cuz, Dude, if you 
 do...it was nice knowing you. (I suspect that if he ever does need 
 meds we'll be praying for a transdermal
 option.) On the other hand, we've had to assist-feed Luc here and 
 there and he is not a happy camper and has lots and lots and lots of 
 claws.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 Welcome to the world of cats-pilling, putting into a carrier for vet 
 trip, getting a cat to eat when they're not in the mood-those are the 
 times you realize that they're a lot smarter  more determined then 
 we humans are!
 Pilling a cat is an art that most cats seem to be determined for us 
 not to learn-LOL. You can try a compounding pharmacy that will mix up 
 the meds into what they say is a pleasant tasting treat-never worked 
 for me.
 Pill
 pockets are great -if your cat likes them. Sneaking a pill in between 
 a couple of soft treats works for a while but they catch on and then 
 will just look at you as you make weird kitty sounds thinking that 
 will help.
 S,
 do not feel you are alone. I suspect each of us has had at least one 
 cat for whom pilling was a nightmare.



 I THINK doxy is that foul tasting drug-but not sure. Try sneaking 
 small pieces of a pill in any kind of delectable people food the 
 kitty likes-ham, turkey, tuna, cheese, anything at all but you have 
 to keep changing it cause the cat will catch on after a couple of 
 times.



 Christiane Biagi



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bugrahan 
 Yalvac
 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries



 Doxycycline 100 MG and Prednisone 5 MG are the pills.



 He is infected by mycoplasma haemofelis.



 It looks all so easy to give cats oral medication on the net but 
 those

 cats are all healty, relaxed, and happy cats who swallow the pills.

 Mine is doing everything not to swallow anything.



 Should I take him to the vet again? Am I the only one who cannot

 manage to medicate a cat orally?



 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 wrote:

 What are the pills?



 Gary



 Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:



 Hi, All,



 I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week 
 ago

 he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the 
 vet

 and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and 
 antibiotics

 and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days.  
 He

 was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days.  
 However

 for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times 
 to

 med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.



 Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?



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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Susan Hoffman
Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long have they been living 
with that group of cats?

We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years 
now.  She and a small feral colony came with the house.  Last year I tested her 
best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was negative.  
So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult population.  

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed.  I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other
 cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks - Crystal
 
 
       
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Sue Frank Koren
This one is in Concord, Ohio - about 25 miles east of Cleveland.
http://www.carolines-kids.org/


 Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  
 The mother and father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed.  I 
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed and they want me 
 to euthanize them instead to protect other cats.  However, I don't think I 
 can do that because they aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to 
 get sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks - Crystal
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Susan Hoffman
Agreed.

Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries.  You really need to visit 
them personally to be sure they are decent places.  So many seem to crash and 
burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?
 
 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
 house.  Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.  
 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
 fixed.  I
  went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
 fixed
  and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
 other
  cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
 they
  aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
  sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
 Crystal
  
  
        
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Debbie Bates

I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my 
feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove 
down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me 
just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes that 
there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Agreed.
 
 Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to visit 
 them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and 
 burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
  We have trapped two large groups. In
  each group one was FeLV+. None of the
  others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
  colony. The other guy
  was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
  had a negative
  living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
  never tested
  positive.
  Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
  and separate. Not
  the vet's decision. Yours.
  L
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
  Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
  have they been living
  with that group of cats?
  
  We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
  at least 4 years
  now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
  house.  Last year I tested
  her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
  him and he was
  negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
  within a healthy adult
  population.  
  
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
   Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
   sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
  and
   father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
  fixed.  I
   went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
  fixed
   and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
  other
   cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
  they
   aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
   sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
  Crystal
   
   
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Heather
Was that 10th Life?  Ok if you wish not to answer, of course.

Thank you for going after your former foster!

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:


 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of
 my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I
 drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her
 backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw
 with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be
 cautious
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo



  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
  From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Agreed.
 
  Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
 visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
 crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
 
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
   We have trapped two large groups. In
   each group one was FeLV+. None of the
   others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
   colony. The other guy
   was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
   had a negative
   living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
   never tested
   positive.
   Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
   and separate. Not
   the vet's decision. Yours.
   L
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
   Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
   have they been living
   with that group of cats?
  
   We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
   at least 4 years
   now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
   house.  Last year I tested
   her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
   him and he was
   negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
   within a healthy adult
   population.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
  
From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
   and
father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
   fixed.  I
went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
   fixed
and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
   other
cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
   they
aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
   Crystal
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Susan Hoffman
Was that 10th Life Sanctuary in Florida?  Did you get your kitty back?

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:43 PM
 
 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the
 'sanctuary' one of my feral fosters was taken to has been
 closed down by law enforcement...I drove down there the day
 after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me
 just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw
 with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than
 death'.please be cautious
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle  Philo
 
 
  
  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
  From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
  
  Agreed.
  
  Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries.
 You really need to visit them personally to be sure they are
 decent places. So many seem to crash and burn amid
 allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 wrote:
  
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
   We have trapped two large groups. In
   each group one was FeLV+. None of the
   others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned
 to the
   colony. The other guy
   was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on
 this list
   had a negative
   living with a group of positives for about 6
 years. He
   never tested
   positive.
   Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the
 cats inside
   and separate. Not
   the vet's decision. Yours.
   L
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
   Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
   
   Have all the other outside cats been
 tested?  How long
   have they been living
   with that group of cats?
   
   We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our
 house for
   at least 4 years
   now.  She and a small feral colony came with
 the
   house.  Last year I tested
   her best buddy because I thought I might have a
 home for
   him and he was
   negative.  So it really isn't that
 transmissible
   within a healthy adult
   population.  
   
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
   
From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+
 cats.  The mother
   and
father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and
 not
   fixed.  I
went to the vet today to make appointments
 to get them
   fixed
and they want me to euthanize them instead
 to protect
   other
cats.  However, I don't think I can do
 that because
   they
aren't but I don't want any other outside
 cats to get
sick.  Any info would be
 appreciated!  Thanks -
   Crystal


          

   
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Laurieskatz
Debbie, did you find your cat? What a miracle if you did. 
L

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries


I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my
feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove
down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet
me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own
eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Agreed.
 
 Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
  We have trapped two large groups. In
  each group one was FeLV+. None of the
  others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
  colony. The other guy
  was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
  had a negative
  living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
  never tested
  positive.
  Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
  and separate. Not
  the vet's decision. Yours.
  L
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
  Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
  have they been living
  with that group of cats?
  
  We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
  at least 4 years
  now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
  house.  Last year I tested
  her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
  him and he was
  negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
  within a healthy adult
  population.  
  
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  
   From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
   Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
   sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
  and
   father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
  fixed.  I
   went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
  fixed
   and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
  other
   cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
  they
   aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
   sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
  Crystal
   
   
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Debbie Bates

Yes, it was.  I was totally prepared to give this guy the benefit of the doubt 
at first..you know, local politics and alllbut it resembled a concentration 
camp far more than anything that could be called sanctuaryI'm still having 
nightmares.  My little girl came home with a respiratory infection, injured eye 
and significant weight loss from when she left my care less than 6 weeks ago.  
There were many, many more who needed to be on meds...but every cat there had 
supposedly been vetted by the 5 rescue vets that descended on the place.  
Even the friendly cats were clearly traumatized stillmy heart just breaks.  
I don't know what in the world will become of Portia nowbut she is safe, 
warm and loved...I will work very hard to get her to where she lets me handle 
herI am already making progressand there is hope.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:46:25 -0500
 From: furrygi...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Was that 10th Life? Ok if you wish not to answer, of course.
 
 Thank you for going after your former foster!
 
 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
  I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of
  my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I
  drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her
  backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw
  with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be
  cautious
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
   From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Agreed.
  
   Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
  visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
  crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
  
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
We have trapped two large groups. In
each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L
   
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
have they been living
with that group of cats?
   
We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
at least 4 years
now. She and a small feral colony came with the
house. Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
him and he was
negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
within a healthy adult
population.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
wrote:
   
 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
fixed. I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
other
 cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
Crystal




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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Debbie Bates

Yepand you can't imagine how difficult it was...do you know how much all 
black cats look alike??  But she was so small and floofy and scared that I knew 
her the moment I laid eyes on herthank goodness the vet accidentally 
microchipped her when she was spayed.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 From: lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:51:49 -0600
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Debbie, did you find your cat? What a miracle if you did. 
 L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:44 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my
 feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove
 down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet
 me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own
 eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
  From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
  Agreed.
  
  Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
 visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
 crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
  
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
   We have trapped two large groups. In
   each group one was FeLV+. None of the
   others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
   colony. The other guy
   was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
   had a negative
   living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
   never tested
   positive.
   Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
   and separate. Not
   the vet's decision. Yours.
   L
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
   Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
   Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
   have they been living
   with that group of cats?
   
   We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
   at least 4 years
   now. She and a small feral colony came with the
   house. Last year I tested
   her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
   him and he was
   negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
   within a healthy adult
   population. 
   
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
   
From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
   and
father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
   fixed. I
went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
   fixed
and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
   other
cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
   they
aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
   Crystal




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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Heather
Thank you for going back and getting her.

For anyone reading, I know as if anyone here has room, but fyi in hopes of
spreading the word, there are still I believe around 200 cats needing to be
placed, and they can be viewed on Petfinder, City of Labella Animal
Contral...there are ferals needing safe barn homes/relocation, and adoptable
cats, even declawed cats from what I understand.

http://www.petfinder.com/shelterSearch/shelterSearch.cgi?offset=25limit=25tmpl=0shelterid=FL708sort=status=preview=1

2009/12/9 Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com


 Yepand you can't imagine how difficult it was...do you know how much
 all black cats look alike??  But she was so small and floofy and scared that
 I knew her the moment I laid eyes on herthank goodness the vet
 accidentally microchipped her when she was spayed.

 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo



  From: lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:51:49 -0600
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Debbie, did you find your cat? What a miracle if you did.
  L
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:44 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
  I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of
 my
  feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I
 drove
  down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her
 backlet
  me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own
  eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
   From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Agreed.
  
   Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to
  visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
  crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
  
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
We have trapped two large groups. In
each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L
   
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
have they been living
with that group of cats?
   
We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
at least 4 years
now. She and a small feral colony came with the
house. Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
him and he was
negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
within a healthy adult
population.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
wrote:
   
 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
fixed. I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
other
 cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
Crystal




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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Heather
oops sorry typo, City of Labelle.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for going back and getting her.

 For anyone reading, I know as if anyone here has room, but fyi in hopes of
 spreading the word, there are still I believe around 200 cats needing to be
 placed, and they can be viewed on Petfinder, City of Labella Animal
 Contral...there are ferals needing safe barn homes/relocation, and adoptable
 cats, even declawed cats from what I understand.


 http://www.petfinder.com/shelterSearch/shelterSearch.cgi?offset=25limit=25tmpl=0shelterid=FL708sort=status=preview=1

 2009/12/9 Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com


 Yepand you can't imagine how difficult it was...do you know how much
 all black cats look alike??  But she was so small and floofy and scared that
 I knew her the moment I laid eyes on herthank goodness the vet
 accidentally microchipped her when she was spayed.

 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo



  From: lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:51:49 -0600
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
  Debbie, did you find your cat? What a miracle if you did.
  L
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
  Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:44 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 
  I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one
 of my
  feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I
 drove
  down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her
 backlet
  me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own
  eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
  Debbie (COL)
  Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
   From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  
   Agreed.
  
   Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need
 to
  visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
  crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
  
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
We have trapped two large groups. In
each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L
   
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
   
Have all the other outside cats been tested? How long
have they been living
with that group of cats?
   
We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
at least 4 years
now. She and a small feral colony came with the
house. Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
him and he was
negative. So it really isn't that transmissible
within a healthy adult
population.
   
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
wrote:
   
 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone. Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats. The mother
and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
fixed. I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
other
 cats. However, I don't think I can do that because
they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick. Any info would be appreciated! Thanks -
Crystal




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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Frank Sue Koren
Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about 
two years ago?

Sue
- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries




I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of 
my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I 
drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her 
backlet me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw 
with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be 
cautious

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo




Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Agreed.

Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to 
visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to 
crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.


--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?

 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
 house.  Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.

 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
 fixed.  I
  went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
 fixed
  and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
 other
  cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
 they
  aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
  sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Crystal Proper
Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the sanctuary idea.  I don't want them to live a 
horrible life.  Plus all the places I have contacted are full.  I have an 
appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a few days before that I have 
to start trying to catch her.  I am getting a live trap.  Shes friendly but you 
can't pick her up and put her in a cage.  I am hoping they will keep her over 
the holiday to observe her and let her heal before I let her go back outside.  
I dont think its my place to make the choice to end her life...or the male cats 
life either.  There are several people that care for them and feed them and its 
only those two cats that live there.  I think I will just get them both fixed 
to prevent kittens and continue on with what we do.
 
 
 
 
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Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800
Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake venom about 
two years ago? 
Sue
- Original Message - From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries



I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my 
feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove 
down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me 
just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes that 
there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious 
Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo




Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Agreed.

Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really need to visit 
them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to crash and 
burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect. 
--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

 Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?

 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
 house.  Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.

 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
 fixed.  I
  went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
 fixed
  and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
 other
  cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
 they
  aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
  sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
 Crystal
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Cougar Clan
My opinion:  It is very important to have the vet keep females  
(especially) after being spayed.  I had two wonderful little girls  
spayed by two different vets.  Both girls died three days afterwards.   
They were not related and the only known common factor was that they  
were dumped and came to the pine thicket behind my Mom's (the source  
of lots of ferals and several now inside cats).  Now, I tell the vet  
straight up that I will not pick a female up for at least four days  
after surgery.  I don't care if it costs me extra cash...I can't  
handle a repeat.  They died within a very few months of each other.   
Frankly, I would rather let a male stay a couple of days too.   
Releasing a cat who is not up to par into a colony is just not what I  
want to do..live, experience, learn.  Further, I don't permit the  
vets to vaccinate against everything at the same time as surgery and I  
have been blessed to find vets who understand that the cats I bring in  
are stressed and not from the best environmentsthey don't need a  
lot of additional stressors.

On Dec 9, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Crystal Proper wrote:

Hmmm, maybe I will rethink the sanctuary idea.  I don't want them to  
live a horrible life.  Plus all the places I have contacted are  
full.  I have an appointment to get the female fixed on the 22nd...a  
few days before that I have to start trying to catch her.  I am  
getting a live trap.  Shes friendly but you can't pick her up and  
put her in a cage.  I am hoping they will keep her over the holiday  
to observe her and let her heal before I let her go back outside.  I  
dont think its my place to make the choice to end her life...or the  
male cats life either.  There are several people that care for them  
and feed them and its only those two cats that live there.  I think  
I will just get them both fixed to prevent kittens and continue on  
with what we do.





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Frank  Sue Koren
Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:56:03 -0800
Is 10th life the sanctuary that was supposedly researching snake  
venom about two years ago?

Sue
- Original Message - From: Debbie Bates  
dlh1...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries



I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary'  
one of my feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law  
enforcement...I drove down there the day after Thanksgiving to find  
her and bring her backlet me just add that this place looked  
great onlinebut I saw with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates  
worse than death'.please be cautious

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo




Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800

From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Agreed.

Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries. You really  
need to visit them personally to be sure they are decent places.  
So many seem to crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and  
neglect.

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
We have trapped two large groups. In
each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
have they been living
with that group of cats?

We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
at least 4 years
now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
house.  Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
him and he was
negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
within a healthy adult
population.

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
wrote:


From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother

and

father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not

fixed.  I

went to the vet today to make appointments to get them

fixed

and they want me to euthanize them instead

Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Bugrahan Yalvac
Hi, All,

I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

Thanks,
Bugra

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Gary

What are the pills?

Gary

Bugrahan Yalvac wrote:

Hi, All,

I have a FeLV positive cat who adapted me six months ago. A week ago
he stopped eating and began to taste his litter. I took him to the vet
and he was tested FeLV positive. Vet gave me steroids and antibiotics
and I was mixing the pills with his science diet for couple days. He
was able to eat small entities of science diet for few days. However
for the last two days he is not eating anything. I tried two times to
med him through his mount, it didn't work at all.

Anyone knows a better way to give medications (pills) to a cat?

Thanks,
Bugra


  


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