Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-18 Thread Stefania

 i think you owe it to others who
 adopt from this shelter and the shelter itself to tell them
 about this.  maybe they don't realize that they should
 test all cat coming to them and maybe they are staffed by

Hello, 
I spoke to the volunteers of the shelter about my cat, but the situation has 
gotten worse. They says they informed me he was not tested and I remember 
clearly they did not. So, we are on opposite sides.
However, they now do test their cats, even if I think that those tests cannot 
be accurate 100% due to the living situation in a shelter, where many cats are 
together and diseases can be spreaded easily.

The situation in my home is:
Trudi, FIV- FeLV+, with dermatitis and stomatitis. She seem better than before, 
but not ok. She has a check-up scheduled for next saturday.
Ginny, negative for both.
Babette, negative for both and under vaccination just now (she got the first 
shot and on saturday she will receive the second one). I hope everything is 
well.
Miro, FIV and FeLV+, under this last two weeks has developed a serious illnes 
that can be something of the liver or FIP! This was the final stroke, for me.
I'm very very sad. The vets suspect FIP or another disease and we sent a sample 
of its abdominal liquid for a PCR.
Does anyone have info about FIP?
I have read a lot and discovered that it's very difficult to diagnose, so maybe 
he has another disease and it's better to treat him for them.
I know that FIP has no cure.

Stefania


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-18 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I concur about the FELV and the FIV - some vets just don't seem to  
keep up, or have much personal knowledge of these viruses.


Gloria


On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:02 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:


re:  vets.  how true. i feel i am lucky that my vet has an open mind  
and if i tell him about something i have read about, he asks for a  
copy if it is something he is unaware of.  i also put him onto this  
site and he is now a fan.  great to have a vet who admits he doesn't  
know everything and is willing to learn more.  dorlis

 Rosenfeldt wrote:

Stef --

Sorry you're having all this trouble and worry right now.

About FIV, you are right and your vet is wrong.  It is VERY hard to  
transmit other than through fighting (deep bites) and sex.  It's  
much less contagious than FeLV, and even FeLV appears to be not  
as contagious as originally thought.  I'm on a feral cat list where  
there has been some discussion of FeLV, and people have said  
they've seen cat colonies where they know that some cats are FeLV+,  
and if it's as transmissible as we're supposed to believe, the  
whole colonies should have gotten sick and died, and they just  
haven't.  The trouble is that for some reason some vets don't keep  
up with new research as much as they should, and keep giving wrong  
information, and more importantly, don't know the right things to  
do to keep the cats as healthy as possible or to treat them  
properly when they do get sick.


Your cats are very cute!

Diane R.



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Hi Chris,
thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is  
that in these days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree  
with you. My cats have always been together (except for Trudi, who  
is a lone wolf), they play, groom each other and they eat together  
even if they have one bowl each :-)
They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many  
stray cats and many owners who don't bother to test their cats!


What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because  
it's like a prison for them.


On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope  
they're negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.


My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and  
the virus is strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other.  
Since I knew that it's not so, I tried to ask once again to this  
vet, but she keeps on saying that FIV spreads very well. I'm really  
surprised to hear so...


I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately  
recognized stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and  
nose. She simply gave me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis:  
it can be for amoxicillin but we don't know. We decided to use,  
first, something against fleas and then wait and see. If the  
situation does not change, we will try with a local gel.


Has anyone had experience with dermatitis?
For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the  
amoxicillin.


If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's  
written in cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see  
pictures.

It's www.trumiro.com

Hi all!
Stef


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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-18 Thread Heather
Very sorry to hear this, Stefania--I would suggest joining  posting to the
FIP group, there are some people on there who are very knowledgable about
things to try to rule out with FIP diagnosis and such.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIP/   Post any test results you have.

I hope and pray Miro does not have FIP, give him a kiss for us!

Heather

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Stefania pebble...@yahoo.it wrote:


  i think you owe it to others who
  adopt from this shelter and the shelter itself to tell them
  about this.  maybe they don't realize that they should
  test all cat coming to them and maybe they are staffed by

 Hello,
 I spoke to the volunteers of the shelter about my cat, but the situation
 has gotten worse. They says they informed me he was not tested and I
 remember clearly they did not. So, we are on opposite sides.
 However, they now do test their cats, even if I think that those tests
 cannot be accurate 100% due to the living situation in a shelter, where many
 cats are together and diseases can be spreaded easily.

 The situation in my home is:
 Trudi, FIV- FeLV+, with dermatitis and stomatitis. She seem better than
 before, but not ok. She has a check-up scheduled for next saturday.
 Ginny, negative for both.
 Babette, negative for both and under vaccination just now (she got the
 first shot and on saturday she will receive the second one). I hope
 everything is well.
 Miro, FIV and FeLV+, under this last two weeks has developed a serious
 illnes that can be something of the liver or FIP! This was the final stroke,
 for me.
 I'm very very sad. The vets suspect FIP or another disease and we sent a
 sample of its abdominal liquid for a PCR.
 Does anyone have info about FIP?
 I have read a lot and discovered that it's very difficult to diagnose, so
 maybe he has another disease and it's better to treat him for them.
 I know that FIP has no cure.

 Stefania




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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-06 Thread dlgegg
i agree with the others, sounds like thyroid.  my Shalimar had hyper thyroid 
and she did the same thing.  she also had a habit o spitting out the pills for 
it .  had to give them, did radio active iodine which makes it necessary to 
supplement the thyroid.  got so i had to hold her and rub down on her throat 
until she swallowed pill.  dorlis
 Pebble pebble...@yahoo.it wrote: 
 Please,
 can anyone help me?
 My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know
 what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-06 Thread dlgegg
i think you owe it to others who adopt from this shelter and the shelter itself 
to tell them about this.  maybe they don't realize that they should test all 
cat coming to them and maybe they are staffed by volunteers and don't have 
enough people to get everything done.  hopefully, when you tell them they will 
change their ways.  dorlis
 Stefania pebble...@yahoo.it wrote: 
 
  I am certainly not diagnosing your cat. In humans a smooth
  tongue is a symptom of anemia. Anemia is common in FELV cats. Are her
  gums pale? I had severe anemia and my tongue was very sore as well. Could 
  be why  she is not grooming it hurts.
  
 Thank-you Sally and all! I don't think she has anemia, because her blood test 
 gave good results: she only has a higher level of cholesterol, but the other 
 things are ok.
 Today I will go to another vet at 11.00 and I will explain everything to her 
 in order to understand what is happening.
 
 Yesterday I had another shock: my other cat (I have 4 cats) who comes from a 
 shelter and was before a stray cat, is positive both with FIV and FeLV. When 
 I took him from the shelter they did not have him tested and did not say 
 anything. He has a chronic rhinitis because he was ill as a kitten, but he 
 copes well, eats, etc...
 
 I did not test him when I took him because I was ignorant and I thought that 
 FeLV could be transmitted with prolonged contact or fight and sexual 
 intercourse. Since he was neutered and was a quiet cat, I wasn't worried.
 
 Now, with my older cat being diagnosed wiht FeLV, I'm proceeding to test all 
 other cats, and this is the surprise: HE is ill, so the most probable thing 
 is that this cat came to my house and brought FeLV with him, because my older 
 cat has always lived with me and been strong and in excellent health and have 
 never had contacts with other cats because of her very strange behaviour (a 
 sort of Mr. Monk!).
 
 The shelter is responsible for this, and now I'm very worried for the other 
 two cats. Even though they are vaccinated against FeLV, I know that the 
 vaccine cannot guarantee 100% coverage (is coverage the right word?) against 
 the virus. If my older cat, who is always by herself and does not even go 
 where the other cats go, has been infected, I cannot imagine what happened 
 with the other two, who are close friends with this poor cat and are always 
 together grooming theirselves and playing.
 
 I'm really sad and disillusioned.
 
 I learned, however, that cats can live many years even if they're positive, 
 so ... let's hope.
 
 Thank you all,
 I will write the news later. This list is a blessing.
 
 Stefania
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-06 Thread dlgegg
my Lil Bit came from a rescue shelter.  she is not pos, but she did have a 
persistant upper respiratory infection.  when first antibiotic did not work i 
asked the vet to do a culture (saw that on elvtalk) and then she found out 
exactly which antibiotic Lil Bit needed .  gave it to her and it cleared up 
right away.  pays to ask questions.  ddorlis
 Stefania pebble...@yahoo.it wrote: 
 
 Hi,
  Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. 
 Yes, I already use good food of quality and in fact I have this infected cat 
 since 2007 and he's living very well. I hope my older too will regain energy 
 and be well again, even if I know that their destiny will be to develop 
 something serious.
 
 I do not blame my shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death
 My shelter claims to give away only tested cats, but this was not the case 
 and now... they're even blaming me for causing a possible infection to the 
 last kitten I've adopted!!!
 This is a pain, because it was their fault and now they're attacking me.
 
 I'm really sad for this, because I never complained with them about giving 
 care to the cats they gave me in a poor health condition.
 
 I have 4 cats and two of them are mine: the older one (Trudi) comes from a 
 friend of mine who had a queen with kitten, the other one (Ginny) was found 
 by me on the road, and kept. These two are healthy and have never been to the 
 vet, except for the vaccination. The other two (Miro and Babette) come from 
 the same shelter and both developed rhinitis and had problems with their eyes 
 etc.
 In these two months, since I took the 4th cat, I've been almost 20 times to 
 the vet!!! And it's going on...
 
 But I think we will survive, eventually!
 :-)
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-03-06 Thread dlgegg
re:  vets.  how true. i feel i am lucky that my vet has an open mind and if i 
tell him about something i have read about, he asks for a copy if it is 
something he is unaware of.  i also put him onto this site and he is now a fan. 
 great to have a vet who admits he doesn't know everything and is willing to 
learn more.  dorlis
 Rosenfeldt wrote: 
 Stef --
 
 Sorry you're having all this trouble and worry right now.  
 
 About FIV, you are right and your vet is wrong.  It is VERY hard to transmit 
 other than through fighting (deep bites) and sex.  It's much less 
 contagious than FeLV, and even FeLV appears to be not as contagious as 
 originally thought.  I'm on a feral cat list where there has been some 
 discussion of FeLV, and people have said they've seen cat colonies where they 
 know that some cats are FeLV+, and if it's as transmissible as we're supposed 
 to believe, the whole colonies should have gotten sick and died, and they 
 just haven't.  The trouble is that for some reason some vets don't keep up 
 with new research as much as they should, and keep giving wrong information, 
 and more importantly, don't know the right things to do to keep the cats as 
 healthy as possible or to treat them properly when they do get sick.
 
 Your cats are very cute!
 
 Diane R.  
 
  
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stefania
 Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:34 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability
 
 
 Hi Chris,
 thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is that in these 
 days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My cats have 
 always been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they play, groom 
 each other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each :-)
 They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats 
 and many owners who don't bother to test their cats!
 
 What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like 
 a prison for them.
 
 On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're 
 negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.
 
 My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and the virus is 
 strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other. Since I knew that it's 
 not so, I tried to ask once again to this vet, but she keeps on saying that 
 FIV spreads very well. I'm really surprised to hear so...
 
 I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately recognized 
 stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and nose. She simply 
 gave me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be for amoxicillin 
 but we don't know. We decided to use, first, something against fleas and then 
 wait and see. If the situation does not change, we will try with a local gel.
 
 Has anyone had experience with dermatitis?
 For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the amoxicillin.
 
 If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in 
 cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see pictures.
 It's www.trumiro.com
 
 Hi all!
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-12 Thread Stefania

 Hi Stefania!  Beautiful  pictures of Trudi, Natale and
 Babette.  I just love Babette's ID card!  I hope Trude
 is well now.

:-)
Natale is actually Christmas! :-))

My cats are Trudi, Miro, Ginny and Babette. I also have a visiting cat who I 
call Gigio, but you cannot touch him.

About thyroid: I will ask the vet, tomorrow, when I'll go there.
I noticed that today Trudi's hair is smoother (yesterday I used a wet tissue to 
clean her, without any shamppo, only water), but she keeps on licking herself 
on the chest and forearms. It happens more in the evening.

About the mouth: she is better. The new vet to whom I took her, gave me Orozyme.
I used it yesterday, but the nose and mouth seemed better also before it.
I also gave her Baytril yesterday and today.

I don't understand if the fact that she has a positive ELISA plus a positive 
PCR test indicates that she is in the viremic phase, i.e. she has just catched 
the FeLV. This could be consistent with the new cat coming here, even is she 
has been tested negative at ehe age of 4 moths (2 moths ago). She maybe wasn't 
negative and since she was living in a shelter...

Tomorrow I will have her re-tested together with Ginny and I'll have the total 
situation.

Stef



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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-11 Thread lexingtongrn

Hi Stefania!  Beautiful  pictures of Trudi, Natale and Babette.  I just love 
Babette's ID card!  I hope Trude is well now.



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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:33:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability


Hi Chris,
thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is that in these 
days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My cats have always 
been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they play, groom each 
other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each :-)
They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats and 
many owners who don't bother to test their cats!

What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like a 
prison for them.

On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're 
negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.

My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and the virus is 
strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other. Since I knew that it's not 
so, I tried to ask once again to this vet, but she keeps on saying that FIV 
spreads very well. I'm really surprised to hear so...

I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately recognized 
stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and nose. She simply gave 
me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be for amoxicillin but we 
don't know. We decided to use, first, something against fleas and then wait and 
see. If the situation does not change, we will try with a local gel.

Has anyone had experience with dermatitis?
For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the amoxicillin.

If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in 
cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see pictures.
It's www.trumiro.com

Hi all!
Stef


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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Stefania

 I am certainly not diagnosing your cat. In humans a smooth
 tongue is a symptom of anemia. Anemia is common in FELV cats. Are her
 gums pale? I had severe anemia and my tongue was very sore as well. Could be 
 why  she is not grooming it hurts.
 
Thank-you Sally and all! I don't think she has anemia, because her blood test 
gave good results: she only has a higher level of cholesterol, but the other 
things are ok.
Today I will go to another vet at 11.00 and I will explain everything to her in 
order to understand what is happening.

Yesterday I had another shock: my other cat (I have 4 cats) who comes from a 
shelter and was before a stray cat, is positive both with FIV and FeLV. When I 
took him from the shelter they did not have him tested and did not say 
anything. He has a chronic rhinitis because he was ill as a kitten, but he 
copes well, eats, etc...

I did not test him when I took him because I was ignorant and I thought that 
FeLV could be transmitted with prolonged contact or fight and sexual 
intercourse. Since he was neutered and was a quiet cat, I wasn't worried.

Now, with my older cat being diagnosed wiht FeLV, I'm proceeding to test all 
other cats, and this is the surprise: HE is ill, so the most probable thing is 
that this cat came to my house and brought FeLV with him, because my older cat 
has always lived with me and been strong and in excellent health and have never 
had contacts with other cats because of her very strange behaviour (a sort of 
Mr. Monk!).

The shelter is responsible for this, and now I'm very worried for the other two 
cats. Even though they are vaccinated against FeLV, I know that the vaccine 
cannot guarantee 100% coverage (is coverage the right word?) against the virus. 
If my older cat, who is always by herself and does not even go where the other 
cats go, has been infected, I cannot imagine what happened with the other two, 
who are close friends with this poor cat and are always together grooming 
theirselves and playing.

I'm really sad and disillusioned.

I learned, however, that cats can live many years even if they're positive, so 
... let's hope.

Thank you all,
I will write the news later. This list is a blessing.

Stefania


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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Sally Davis
Stefania

My story is very similiar to yousr. I too adopted a shelter cat who as it
turned out was positive for FIV/FELV. I think he was the source of infection
in my cats and I wound up with 4 cats dying. I am so sorry to hear this.
Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. I do not blame my
shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death there. Animal
control picks up unwanted strays here. They do not have funds to test.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Stefania

Hi,
 Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. 
Yes, I already use good food of quality and in fact I have this infected cat 
since 2007 and he's living very well. I hope my older too will regain energy 
and be well again, even if I know that their destiny will be to develop 
something serious.

I do not blame my shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death
My shelter claims to give away only tested cats, but this was not the case and 
now... they're even blaming me for causing a possible infection to the last 
kitten I've adopted!!!
This is a pain, because it was their fault and now they're attacking me.

I'm really sad for this, because I never complained with them about giving care 
to the cats they gave me in a poor health condition.

I have 4 cats and two of them are mine: the older one (Trudi) comes from a 
friend of mine who had a queen with kitten, the other one (Ginny) was found by 
me on the road, and kept. These two are healthy and have never been to the vet, 
except for the vaccination. The other two (Miro and Babette) come from the same 
shelter and both developed rhinitis and had problems with their eyes etc.
In these two months, since I took the 4th cat, I've been almost 20 times to the 
vet!!! And it's going on...

But I think we will survive, eventually!
:-)

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Chris
Stef
Just info for you--I have 4 cats who basically grew up together.  They're
about a year or so apart in age and all came in as kittens and all tested
neg for FELV as each came into my home.  In 2/04, my Tucson who was then 4,
started feeling poorly, wouldn't eat (which for her is a BIG thing!).  I had
a very good vet at the time who on a hunch tested her for FELV and she
showed positive on the Elissa and more ISA  I had the other 3 immediately
tested and they showed neg then and are still neg.  I switched vets to one
who had more experience with FELV and both vets said that it is very
possible that test on a very young kitten can show neg though they have the
virus and that you really can't be 100% sure until a kitten is 6mos-1 year.
Further literature I read basically concurs with that.  I vaccinated my neg
cats and everyone has been fine.

At around the same time, I brought in a stray, Romeo (who was around 4 or
5), who I had been feeding outside for a couple of years.  I had seen him
every single day and he was never sick!  I had him tested and lo and behold,
he was FELV+.  I had made the decision (actually, there wasn't ever really a
decision-LOL) to mix my 4 cats so mixing in Romeo was a no-brainer for me.
My other 4 had all eaten out of the same dishes, used the same litter boxes,
groomed each other, gave each other the occasionally swipe with their claws,
shared toys, and on and on--and nobody came down w. FELV even though they
had never been vaccinated.  

Tucson has had occasional episodes of very low white blood count and my vet
has treated her w. immune-regulin and she's rebounded each time.  She's a
hefty gal (18 lbs) and I feed all of them Wellness canned food and just a
bit of dry food for their teeth.  Sadly, a couple of months ago, Romeo
developed lymphoma and within 2 weeks, he became so ill and suffering so
much that I had to put him down.  Up until that last week, though, he was
fine, fat, and just a joy.  Though I miss him terribly, I keep reminding
myself that he wouldn't have had those 4 good years if he had stayed
outside.

Bottom line--I think there are a whole lot more kitties out there who are
positive that nobody ever knows about.  You'll hear all variations of my
story on this board and come to see that though kittens are particularly
susceptible to the life-threatening infections that FELV allows to fester,
many of those kittens go on to long perfectly normal lives.  Unfortunately,
most of the statistics on FELV are based on kittens who succumb--they
never reflect the adult cats who have never been diagnosed or tested.

Chris
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Hi,
 Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. 
Yes, I already use good food of quality and in fact I have this infected cat
since 2007 and he's living very well. I hope my older too will regain energy
and be well again, even if I know that their destiny will be to develop
something serious.

I do not blame my shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death
My shelter claims to give away only tested cats, but this was not the case
and now... they're even blaming me for causing a possible infection to the
last kitten I've adopted!!!
This is a pain, because it was their fault and now they're attacking me.

I'm really sad for this, because I never complained with them about giving
care to the cats they gave me in a poor health condition.

I have 4 cats and two of them are mine: the older one (Trudi) comes from a
friend of mine who had a queen with kitten, the other one (Ginny) was found
by me on the road, and kept. These two are healthy and have never been to
the vet, except for the vaccination. The other two (Miro and Babette) come
from the same shelter and both developed rhinitis and had problems with
their eyes etc.
In these two months, since I took the 4th cat, I've been almost 20 times to
the vet!!! And it's going on...

But I think we will survive, eventually!
:-)

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Sally Davis
Stefania,

I should never answer in a hurry. I was headed out the door. I hope you
could understand what I was saying. I meant to say supportive care not
cats...lol Although supportive cats would be ok.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Stefania

 My story is very similiar to yousr. I too adopted a shelter cat who as it
 turned out was positive for FIV/FELV. I think he was the source of infection
 in my cats and I wound up with 4 cats dying. I am so sorry to hear this.
 Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. I do not blame my
 shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death there. Animal
 control picks up unwanted strays here. They do not have funds to test.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Debbie Harrison

I don't mean to intrude here, but what type of gel did you get for the 
stomatitis?Debbie (COL)The time is always right to do what is right -  Martin 
Luther King Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:33:49 + From: pebble...@yahoo.it 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability 
  Hi Chris, thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is 
that in these days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My 
cats have always been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they 
play, groom each other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each 
:-) They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats 
and many owners who don't bother to test their cats!  What am I supposed to 
do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like a prison for them.  On 
friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're negative, 
so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.  My vet scared me a lot saying 
that FIV is very transmissible and the virus is strong and cats can catch it by 
grooming each other. Since I knew that it's not so, I tried to ask once again 
to this vet, but she keeps on saying that FIV spreads very well. I'm really 
surprised to hear so...  I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she 
immediately recognized stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and 
nose. She simply gave me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be 
for amoxicillin but we don't know. We decided to use, first, something against 
fleas and then wait and see. If the situation does not change, we will try with 
a local gel.  Has anyone had experience with dermatitis? For Trudi it's the 
first time, and that's why I think it was the amoxicillin.  If you want to 
see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in cattish so you 
cannot understand, but you can see pictures. It's www.trumiro.com  Hi all! 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Stef --

Sorry you're having all this trouble and worry right now.  

About FIV, you are right and your vet is wrong.  It is VERY hard to transmit 
other than through fighting (deep bites) and sex.  It's much less contagious 
than FeLV, and even FeLV appears to be not as contagious as originally thought. 
 I'm on a feral cat list where there has been some discussion of FeLV, and 
people have said they've seen cat colonies where they know that some cats are 
FeLV+, and if it's as transmissible as we're supposed to believe, the whole 
colonies should have gotten sick and died, and they just haven't.  The trouble 
is that for some reason some vets don't keep up with new research as much as 
they should, and keep giving wrong information, and more importantly, don't 
know the right things to do to keep the cats as healthy as possible or to treat 
them properly when they do get sick.

Your cats are very cute!

Diane R.  

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability


Hi Chris,
thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is that in these 
days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My cats have always 
been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they play, groom each 
other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each :-)
They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats and 
many owners who don't bother to test their cats!

What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like a 
prison for them.

On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're 
negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.

My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and the virus is 
strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other. Since I knew that it's not 
so, I tried to ask once again to this vet, but she keeps on saying that FIV 
spreads very well. I'm really surprised to hear so...

I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately recognized 
stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and nose. She simply gave 
me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be for amoxicillin but we 
don't know. We decided to use, first, something against fleas and then wait and 
see. If the situation does not change, we will try with a local gel.

Has anyone had experience with dermatitis?
For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the amoxicillin.

If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in 
cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see pictures.
It's www.trumiro.com

Hi all!
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-10 Thread Chris
One thing on transmission== a vet once told me...  Both viruses have been
around since the time of the dinosaurs==if they were that easily
transmitted, we would have no cats left!  I think that the trouble is that
vets generally see kittens who succumb because they are young and can't
fight off infection.  I doubt that most vets test an older cat who shows
signs of one of the FELV related conditions--cancer, gum infection, etc.
And then there are the older cats who don't ever go to a vet and just live
their regular lives.  I've not found any random studies that test a large
population of domestic and ferals and then just watch over a period of time.


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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

Stef --

Sorry you're having all this trouble and worry right now.  

About FIV, you are right and your vet is wrong.  It is VERY hard to transmit
other than through fighting (deep bites) and sex.  It's much less
contagious than FeLV, and even FeLV appears to be not as contagious as
originally thought.  I'm on a feral cat list where there has been some
discussion of FeLV, and people have said they've seen cat colonies where
they know that some cats are FeLV+, and if it's as transmissible as we're
supposed to believe, the whole colonies should have gotten sick and died,
and they just haven't.  The trouble is that for some reason some vets don't
keep up with new research as much as they should, and keep giving wrong
information, and more importantly, don't know the right things to do to keep
the cats as healthy as possible or to treat them properly when they do get
sick.

Your cats are very cute!

Diane R.  

 

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability


Hi Chris,
thank-you very much for sharing your story. The problem here is that in
these days I read very much on FeLV and FIV and I agree with you. My cats
have always been together (except for Trudi, who is a lone wolf), they play,
groom each other and they eat together even if they have one bowl each :-)
They go out and I live in the country, so there are surely many stray cats
and many owners who don't bother to test their cats!

What am I supposed to do? I don't want to keep them inside because it's like
a prison for them.

On friday I will test the last two of them and I strongly hope they're
negative, so I will continue to vaccine them and hope.

My vet scared me a lot saying that FIV is very transmissible and the virus
is strong and cats can catch it by grooming each other. Since I knew that
it's not so, I tried to ask once again to this vet, but she keeps on saying
that FIV spreads very well. I'm really surprised to hear so...

I so decided to take Trudi to another vet and she immediately recognized
stomatitis in her mouth (which the first one denied) and nose. She simply
gave me a gel for her mouth. About the dermatitis: it can be for amoxicillin
but we don't know. We decided to use, first, something against fleas and
then wait and see. If the situation does not change, we will try with a
local gel.

Has anyone had experience with dermatitis?
For Trudi it's the first time, and that's why I think it was the
amoxicillin.

If you want to see picture of my 4 babies, I have a blog. It's written in
cattish so you cannot understand, but you can see pictures.
It's www.trumiro.com

Hi all!
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Pebble
Please,
can anyone help me?
My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't know
what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Cougar Clan
Make sure there is no thyroid problem.  Hair loose is a common sign of  
that.

On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Pebble wrote:


Please,
can anyone help me?
My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't  
know

what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Cougar Clan
Additional thought food allergies can have this effect too.  Try an  
elimination diet.

On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Pebble wrote:


Please,
can anyone help me?
My cat has dermatitis and she keeps on taking away her hair. I don't  
know

what to think! My vet says we have to wait but the cat gets worse.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Stefania

Hi,
 Make sure there is no thyroid problem.  Hair loose is a
 common sign of that.

Could it be that she is allergic to amoxicillin or to the anesthetic?
She developed this dermatitis two day after we stopped amoxicillin and the day 
after she was sedated to take a blood test.

Can this change the results of PCR?

I'm really upset and my vet thinks that the dermatitis has not been caused by 
the medication, but I cannot agree with that.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Cougar Clan
Check with another vet.  A specialist testing the Royal Princess Kitty  
Katt (not FeLV+ but diagnosing cancer) about killed her with some  
medsof course he said it wasn't the drugs but she straightened up  
under the care of her regular vet.  For over a week I thought she was  
dying.  She could barely move.  If your gut tells you one thing and  
the vet says another check it out.  I can't answer your other  
questions but I am sure someone on the panel can.  The amount of  
knowledge and experience here is amazing.

On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Stefania wrote:



Hi,

Make sure there is no thyroid problem.  Hair loose is a
common sign of that.


Could it be that she is allergic to amoxicillin or to the anesthetic?
She developed this dermatitis two day after we stopped amoxicillin  
and the day after she was sedated to take a blood test.


Can this change the results of PCR?

I'm really upset and my vet thinks that the dermatitis has not been  
caused by the medication, but I cannot agree with that.


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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Stefania

 Check with another vet.  A specialist testing the Royal
 Princess Kitty Katt (not FeLV+ but diagnosing cancer) about
 killed her with some medsof course he said it wasn't
 the drugs but she straightened up under the care of her
 regular vet.  For over a week I thought she was dying.  She
 could barely move.  If your gut tells you one thing and the
 vet says another check it out.  I can't answer your
 other questions but I am sure someone on the panel can.  The
 amount of knowledge and experience here is amazing.

Thanks a lot.
I'm very anxious with my cat because she has NEVER been ill in all her life and 
now she has everything?!?!? I cannot understand, really.
I cannot accept that she is Felv+ and has never never had any slight problem in 
NINE years of age!

She has never taken any medication, except for one injection of Baytrill two 
years ago, because she had ache in her throat.

How can she be Felv+ and have other problems?

If you read my first message I described her current problem: saliva production 
+ strange tongue (it seems smooth and not as a cat tongue has to be) + red and 
watery nose (but not as in a cold!, it's the nose itself that is wet).

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread jbero
Stefania,

Most vets us an in house test for felv/fiv - the snap test. The felv/fiv snap 
test is generally a pretty good test.  (By the way, it does not utilize PCR, 
instead it is an ELISA test).  It is certainly possible, however, to get a 
false positive result.  

In general, you can repeat the test (usually in approximately four to six 
weeks).  I would recommend this.  If it is again positive, you can send the 
blood out to a lab to have an IFA - immunoflouresence assay - done.  If this is 
also positive it is highly likely it is a true positive.  As for the use of 
PCR, I do not think that is currently used for felv detection.  It is possible 
that I am simply not familiar with its use in that way.


I have to suggest to you, that it is a somewhat strange history for feline 
leukemia.  I am not certain I fully understand the current problems she is 
having but I would remain suspect about the accuracy of the test at this point. 
 My greatest recommendation is to repeat the test.

Good luck,

Jenny


 la_st...@tin.it la_st...@tin.it wrote: 
 Hello,
 I have a cat who is 9 years old (born apr 2000) and she has 
 always been in good health condition and never been to the veterinary 
 (except for her vaccines, yearly).
 She lived the first two years in an 
 apartment with no contacts with other cats, then we changed home and 
 she got the vaccine for leukemia prior to go out and meet other cats.
 She is a very strange cat and does not like to meet other cats or 
 animals: she is afraid of contact. She is also spayed.
 
 This january, 
 she began to have problems: her tongue was strange and her nose also. 
 She doesn't have fever or other symptoms, but her hair is always dirty 
 because she doesn't wash it.
 
 My vet gave her amoxicillin for 3 weeks, 
 but nothing changed. We finally decided to test her blood and the 
 results are ok, BUT she is FELV+ (FIV-).
 I cannot understand HOW this 
 could happen, because every year she gets her vaccine and she does not 
 interact with other cats! Now, she has also dermatitis.
 I'd like to 
 know if this PCR test is absolutely reliable or not.
 
 Besides, isn't it 
 strange that my cat developed the illness at the age of 9?
 Could it be 
 that she is now in the viremic phase and could recover in the future 
 and the virus remain latent?
 
 I hope you understand. Unfortunately I'm 
 not English mother tongue and it's difficult to explain everything 
 well.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Cougar Clan


On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:20 AM, Stefania wrote:



Hi,

Make sure there is no thyroid problem.  Hair loose is a
common sign of that.


Could it be that she is allergic to amoxicillin or to the anesthetic?
She developed this dermatitis two day after we stopped amoxicillin  
and the day after she was sedated to take a blood test.


Can this change the results of PCR?

I'm really upset and my vet thinks that the dermatitis has not been  
caused by the medication, but I cannot agree with that.


Stefania


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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

2009-02-09 Thread Sally Davis
I am certainly not diagnosing your cat. In humans a smooth tongue is a
symptom of anemia. Anemia is common in FELV cats. Are her gums pale? I had
severe anemia and my tongue was very sore as well. Could be why  she is not
grooming it hurts.

Just a though.

Sally
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