Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-11-09 Thread Sharyl
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

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are going
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-30 Thread Katherine K.
Thanks everyone. Terence's PCV is around 13%. Temperature yesterday was
102.9. He got a shot of Convenia and we started the lixotinic. Gums looking
slightly pinker today. I'm waiting to hear if his red blood cells look like
they are regenerative or non regenerative.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the
 deli counter has onions  or garlic added.

 Beth

 Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6
 and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this supplement
 will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product called
 Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, however,
 have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.
 
 Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins.  It's
 works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
 greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the
 immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.
 
 I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could have
 been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own.
  However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used one
 or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe that
 if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the
 help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)
 
 -A
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Amanda,
  Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Sent from my iPhone.
 
  On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Hello Katherine,
 
  I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are
  very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
  started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in
 her
  toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely
 anemic.
   The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat
  her.  She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms.
 
  We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
  vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia
  but we lost her to FIP five months later.
 
  I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier
  you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry
 with
  any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me
 their
  cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to
 the
  vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).
 
  Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would
 rather
  err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
  worriesome.
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading
  past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of
 times
  recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat
 Litter
  made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency
 to lick
  the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be
 symptoms
  of anemia..missing a mineral or something.
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually
 near
  death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.
  FELV+
  cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats
 and
  think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some
 advice.
 
  Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
  quickly.
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
  problem - pale gums.
 
  One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
  little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy
 look to
  it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to
 his 3
  siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on
 lysine
  and getting wet and dry food.
 
  I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the
  vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps
 less so
  than usual.
 
  Katherine
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-30 Thread Margo



Hi Katherine (I think:)
 Much as I hate to recommend a yahoo group these days, the Feline Anemia group is an incredible resource. Even if you only read the files, you will find there's much to be done. And the more you know, the better advocate you can be for your boy.
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info
Wishing you and Terence the best,
Margo

-Original Message- From: "Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com>Sent: Oct 30, 2013 9:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums 
Thanks everyone. Terence's PCV is around 13%. Temperature yesterday was 102.9. He got a shot of Convenia and we started the lixotinic. Gums looking slightly pinker today. I'm waiting to hear if his red blood cells look like they are regenerative or non regenerative. 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the deli counter has onions  or garlic added.Beth
"Amanda K. Payne" amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6and Thiamine, among other vitamins. The belief is that this supplementwill help the animal produce more RBCs. There is also a product calledLiqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals. It does, however,have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins. It'sworks by boosting the immune system's response. FeLV+ felines are atgreater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting theimmune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive. It could havebeen the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own. However, it also didn't hurt. Several people on this forum have used oneor the other or both and have had success with them. I truly believe thatif she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with thehelp of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)-AOn Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Amanda, Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, "Amanda K. Payne" amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Katherine, I definitely have to back Heather here. Pale gums and eating litter are very indicative of anemia. Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli, started licking walls and clay planters. She slowly lost interest in her toys and food. By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic. The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat her. She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms. We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering. She fought through the anemia but we lost her to FIP five months later. I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible. The earlier you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, definitely. I would get him in asap (today). This is a worry with any kitty and especially felv+ kitties. Last time someone told me their cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried). Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely worriesome. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of anemia..missing a mineral or something. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near death. I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap. FELV+ cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice. Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed quickly. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote: Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite problem - pale gums. One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on

Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-30 Thread trustinhim13


Katherine, he may be slightly anemic? Have you ever used Pet-tinic? It 
is a liquid vitamin. Vets used to carry it. I got mine at a good price 
from Amazon. It's cheap. I think it is has iron in it. and it works for 
my FEV+ kitty who every now an then has pale gums. Carolyn


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite 
problem - pale gums.


One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little 
skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I 
checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine 
and getting wet and dry food.


I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. 
Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so 
than usual.


Katherine


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-30 Thread trustinhim13

also preservatives.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Beth wrote:

Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at 
the deli counter has onions  or garlic added.


Beth

Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins 
B12, B6
and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this 
supplement
will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product 
called
Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, 
however,

have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.

Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins. 
It's

works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by 
boosting the

immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.

I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could 
have
been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its 
own.
However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used 
one
or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe 
that
if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover 
with the

help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)

-A


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Amanda,
Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?

Thanks,

Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne 
amandak.pa...@gmail.com

wrote:

Hello Katherine,

I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter 
are

very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest 
in her
toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely 
anemic.
 The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to 
treat
her.  She was also about six months when she started showing 
symptoms.


We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the 
anemia

but we lost her to FIP five months later.

I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The 
earlier

you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry 
with
any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me 
their
cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him 
to the

vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would 
rather
err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's 
definitely

worriesome.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. 
kaths...@gmail.comwrote:


Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and 
reading
past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of 
times
recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat 
Litter
made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a 
tendency to lick
the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be 
symptoms

of anemia..missing a mineral or something.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually 
near
death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked 
asap.  FELV+
cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ 
cats and
think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have 
some advice.


Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be 
addressed

quickly.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. 
kaths...@gmail.comwrote:


Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the 
opposite

problem - pale gums.

One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy 
look to
it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared 
to his 3
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are 
on lysine

and getting wet and dry food.

I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from 
the
vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but 
perhaps less so

than usual.

Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-29 Thread Heather
Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.

Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
quickly.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite problem
 - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
 skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
 checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
 (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
 wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
 Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
 usual.

 Katherine

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2013-10-29 Thread Katherine K.
Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past
posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently
eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from
corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the
shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of
anemia..missing a mineral or something.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.

 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
 quickly.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
 problem - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
 skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
 checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
 (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
 wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
 Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
 usual.

 Katherine

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2013-10-29 Thread Heather
Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with
any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their
cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the
vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather
err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
worriesome.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past
 posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently
 eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from
 corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the
 shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of
 anemia..missing a mineral or something.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.

 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
 quickly.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
 problem - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
 skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
 checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
 (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
 wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
 Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
 usual.

 Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-29 Thread Amanda K. Payne
Hello Katherine,

I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are
very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in her
toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic.
 The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat
her.  She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms.

We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia
but we lost her to FIP five months later.

I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier you
catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with
 any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their
 cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the
 vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

 Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather
 err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
 worriesome.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past
 posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently
 eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from
 corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the
 shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of
 anemia..missing a mineral or something.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.

 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
 quickly.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
 problem - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
 skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
 checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
 (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
 wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
 Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
 usual.

 Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-29 Thread Avaykn
Hi Amanda,
Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?

Thanks,

Sent from my iPhone.

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Katherine,
 
 I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are very 
 indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli, started 
 licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in her toys and 
 food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic.  The vet 
 didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat her.  She was 
 also about six months when she started showing symptoms.
 
 We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a vitamin-rich 
 diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia but we lost her 
 to FIP five months later.
 
 I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier you 
 catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with any 
 kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their cat was 
 eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the vet 
 (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).
  
 Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather err 
 to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely 
 worriesome.
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past 
 posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently 
 eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from 
 corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the 
 shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of 
 anemia..missing a mineral or something. 
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near 
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+ 
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and 
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some 
 advice.
  
 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed 
 quickly.
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite 
 problem - pale gums.
 
 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little 
 skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I 
 checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 
 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine 
 and getting wet and dry food. 
 
 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. 
 Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than 
 usual. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-29 Thread Amanda K. Payne
Hi,

Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6
and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this supplement
will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product called
Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, however,
have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.

Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins.  It's
works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the
immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.

I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could have
been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own.
 However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used one
or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe that
if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the
help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)

-A


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Amanda,
 Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?

 Thanks,

 Sent from my iPhone.

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello Katherine,

 I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are
 very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
 started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in her
 toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic.
  The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat
 her.  She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms.

 We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
 vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia
 but we lost her to FIP five months later.

 I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier
 you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with
 any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their
 cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the
 vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

 Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather
 err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
 worriesome.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading
 past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times
 recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter
 made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick
 the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms
 of anemia..missing a mineral or something.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some 
 advice.

 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
 quickly.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
 problem - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
 little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to
 it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3
 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine
 and getting wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the
 vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so
 than usual.

 Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-29 Thread Beth
Yes, eating litter, licking things is Pica  indicates severe anemia. Cats can 
be very sick  still act normal. Most of my FeLV cats have died from anemia. 
Get him to the vet ASAP. Sorry you are having to go through this.

Beth

Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading past
posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times recently
eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter made from
corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick the
shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms of
anemia..missing a mineral or something.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some advice.

 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
 quickly.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
 problem - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little
 skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I
 checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 siblings
 (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine and getting
 wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet.
 Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so than
 usual.

 Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-29 Thread Beth
Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at the deli 
counter has onions  or garlic added.

Beth

Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins B12, B6
and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this supplement
will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product called
Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, however,
have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.

Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins.  It's
works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by boosting the
immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.

I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could have
been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its own.
 However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used one
or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe that
if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover with the
help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)

-A


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Amanda,
 Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?

 Thanks,

 Sent from my iPhone.

 On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello Katherine,

 I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter are
 very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
 started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest in her
 toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely anemic.
  The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to treat
 her.  She was also about six months when she started showing symptoms.

 We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
 vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the anemia
 but we lost her to FIP five months later.

 I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The earlier
 you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry with
 any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me their
 cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him to the
 vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

 Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would rather
 err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's definitely
 worriesome.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and reading
 past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of times
 recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat Litter
 made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a tendency to lick
 the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be symptoms
 of anemia..missing a mineral or something.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually near
 death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked asap.  FELV+
 cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ cats and
 think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have some 
 advice.

 Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be addressed
 quickly.


 On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite
 problem - pale gums.

 One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
 little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to
 it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3
 siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine
 and getting wet and dry food.

 I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the
 vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so
 than usual.

 Katherine

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