Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-08-25 Thread dlgegg
You should come to Lincoln County, Mo.  I have lost almost everything that 
critters will eat from tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries, tabasco peppers, 
petunias.  Only thing they don't eat are herbs and things with rough leaves.  I 
live in the middle of the woods and with the long heat spell we have had, the 
deer, rabbits, groundhogs and possums  have been hitting my plants looking for 
moisture.  Because of that, I haven't gotten to angry with them and started 
putting out water in several places for them.  Fortunately, I have friends at 
the senior center who have lots of vegies.  
 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything!  I'm so tired of trimming 
 shrubs and yard work.  I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many 
 other things.  My husband hates yard work worse than I do.  I love to have a 
 pretty yard but man it's a lot of work.  If the deer came and tore it up then 
 I'd have an excuse.
  
 Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a 
 fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if 
 they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants.  It might 
 attract more deer though.  I thought of it because at work we have some kind 
 of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) 
 and every year I see deer over there.  I thought it was great and even put a 
 salt lick over there.  The thing is though that it's always two or three.  I 
 never see hoards and hoards of deer.  Two or three come and eat and then 
 they're gone.  I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and 
 there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem although 
 there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would come around. 
  Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their 
 food.  Well, just a thought.  I know you don't want to attract deer but if 
 they're coming no matter what and you're property is big enough just wondered 
 if giving them something away from where you don't want them to be would 
 help.  As well as the wind chimes and other stuff.  Probably would make it 
 worse but I just wondered about it.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
  
  Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
  shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
  Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
  plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
  lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem 
  to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above 
  them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
  On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
  
   OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am 
   sorry for
   posting here.
  
   Natalie,
  
   Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I 
   apologize.
   I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse 
   they
   eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago 
   the deer
   became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not 
   get into
   that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. 
   I chose
   repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. 
   They are
   creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there 
   was no
   nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a 
   number
   on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
  
   James do not boot me off.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread MaiMaiPG
That's what my vets said re ticks too.  However, I refer you to the $1  
K + spent on Red because of a tick that should have been dead at the  
end of a cold December in KY.  And, worse, to the pain the cat must  
have been in before he was captured for neutering and panic he must  
have felt at the vets for weeks then in the garage for weeksBy the  
way, Red is doing fine.
On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:01 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:


This is he first I have heard of it.  Have been usng Revolution  
since it covers heartworm and  fleas. I live on a bluff right oer  
the river and we do have a lot of moquitos. We also seem to have  
more cases of heartworm in or county. He said cats usully keep  
themselves free of ticks.  I check them out anyway every time they  
go out.  I don't use it during the winter as they usually do not go  
out then because of rain and snow.  I don't liketo use chemicals on  
them any more than necessary.  I have never had any infestations of  
fleas in the house.


 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:


  Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
  thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
  site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
  I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of  
you
  have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please  
let me

  know.

  Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Lorrie
Re: My original post on Pet Armor. I found it in Wal-mart
yesterday, but I didn't buy it because I wasn't sure about it. It
claims to be exactly like Frontline, and the ingrediants listed were
the same, but I didn't think it was cheaper than Frontline I can
buy from Canada Vet Meds online.  In Wal-mart Pet Armor was 
$28.99 for 3 pipettes.  With 15 cats I need a better price.



Original Post On 05-31, Lorrie wrote:
 
Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
know. 
 
Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
shrubs being eaten.  We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
Azaleas - never touched!  I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  
to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  
them.  Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  
 sorry for
 posting here.

 Natalie,

 Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I  
 apologize.
 I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse  
 they
 eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  
 the deer
 became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  
 get into
 that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  
 I chose
 repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  
 They are
 creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  
 was no
 nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a  
 number
 on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

 James do not boot me off.

 Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
I've read that one has to be extremely careful about using some essential
oils on cats!  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart
water.  Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin.  Works
with mosquitos also.  Everyone around here who has chickens use this every
day on them.  If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens.  The gnats clog
up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood
loss.
 Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Amen to flea collars!
 
 I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and
 never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that
I
 put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil
and
 eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.)
 
 This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to
these
 garlic tablets for fleas and ticks,
 http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only
 just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas
 or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got
 whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front
Line
 on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food
 poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have
it
 on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying
 alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick!
 
 You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying
it),
 you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's
yeast
 works very well.
 
 I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic
 and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to
 catch them to administer it...
 
 Ideas, ideas!
 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous
one,
  it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
  This is it:
  I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
underweight,
  pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
  poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
  Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
  Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only
when
  it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and
asks
  clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
  products.
  The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
  get
  into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
  though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a
flea
  inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in
the
  making.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
  To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
   Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
underweight,
  pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
  poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
  Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
  Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only
when
  it's
  The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
  get
  into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
  though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a
flea
  inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in
the
  making.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
  me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
  infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
  three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
  bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
  live/reproduce off human blood)
 
  I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
  at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
  That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Lynda Wilson

Bunnies eat my azaleas :(

- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
shrubs being eaten.  We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
Azaleas - never touched!  I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  
to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  
them.  Also suggest interplanting daffodils.

On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  
sorry for

posting here.

Natalie,

Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I  
apologize.
I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse  
they
eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  
the deer
became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  
get into
that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  
I chose
repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  
They are
creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  
was no
nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a  
number

on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

James do not boot me off.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Katy Doyle
Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or
something.

I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive
rotties.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:

 Bunnies eat my azaleas :(

 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM

 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


 It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
 shrubs being eaten.  We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
 Azaleas - never touched!  I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
 plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
 lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  to
 love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  them.  Also
 suggest interplanting daffodils.
 On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  sorry
 for
 posting here.

 Natalie,

 Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
  apologize.
 I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
  they
 eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  the
 deer
 became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  get
 into
 that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  I
 chose
 repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  They
 are
 creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  was
 no
 nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a
  number
 on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

 James do not boot me off.

 Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything!  I'm so tired of trimming 
shrubs and yard work.  I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many 
other things.  My husband hates yard work worse than I do.  I love to have a 
pretty yard but man it's a lot of work.  If the deer came and tore it up then 
I'd have an excuse.
 
Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a fruit 
tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if they 
would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants.  It might attract 
more deer though.  I thought of it because at work we have some kind of big 
tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) and every 
year I see deer over there.  I thought it was great and even put a salt lick 
over there.  The thing is though that it's always two or three.  I never see 
hoards and hoards of deer.  Two or three come and eat and then they're gone.  I 
work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and there and only two or 
three at a time so they're not a major problem although there's plenty for them 
to eat and I would think more deer would come around.  Wonder if they're 
territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their food.  Well, just a 
thought.  I know you don't want to attract deer but if they're coming no matter 
what and you're property is big enough just wondered if giving them something 
away from where you don't want them to be would help.  As well as the wind 
chimes and other stuff.  Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about 
it.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
 shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
 Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
 plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
 lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem 
 to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above 
 them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
 On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
  OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am 
  sorry for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I 
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse 
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago 
  the deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not 
  get into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. 
  I chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. 
  They are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there 
  was no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a 
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Send them to me - my azalea bushes are overgrown and need trimming anyway!  I 
used to have bunnies everywhere but now there's a few stray cats hanging around 
so I guess that's why they're not coming around anymore.  I miss them though.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:04:39 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
  It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
  shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
  Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
  plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
  lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem 
  to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above 
  them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
  On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
  
  OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am 
  sorry for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I 
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse 
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago 
  the deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not 
  get into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. 
  I chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. 
  They are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there 
  was no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a 
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Better research to find out what kind of fence to get.  I used to find baby 
bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time.  I had like one inch spaces in 
between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find 
places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of 
the fence to make a bigger space to come in.  This was years before I had cats 
out there.  My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice 
protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies.  I found 
several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones.  So cute.  But if 
the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or
 something.
 
 I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive
 rotties.
 
 On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
 
  Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
 
  - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
  It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
  shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
  Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
  plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
  lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to
  love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also
  suggest interplanting daffodils.
  On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
  OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry
  for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the
  deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get
  into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I
  chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They
  are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was
  no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Sharyl
I buy mine on line from vetmeds4pets.  An UK company that sells Frontline Combo 
which is exactly the same as Frontline Plus just the European version.  
Shipping is a flat $4.08.  You can get a 12 pack for cats for $64.08.
http://www.vetmeds4pets.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=17products_id=150osCsid=1d74d06c5731f73aa7a9a85ef391d33d
 
I buy the large dog version, put it in a small jar any syringe out the amount I 
need for each cat.  Same ingredients just a little less of one in the dog 
version vs the cat.  Like you I have too many cats to use the stuff you can buy 
in the stores here.
 
For those that use Revolution they have the Stronghold, the UK version.
 
Sharyl

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Re: My original post on Pet Armor. I found it in Wal-mart
yesterday, but I didn't buy it because I wasn't sure about it. It
claims to be exactly like Frontline, and the ingrediants listed were
the same, but I didn't think it was cheaper than Frontline I can
buy from Canada Vet Meds online.  In Wal-mart Pet Armor was 
$28.99 for 3 pipettes.  With 15 cats I need a better price.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Speaking of fences ... I was supposed to send pictures of my cat fence to 
someone.  Was it someone in this group?  I don't think I ever sent them.  I'm 
so out of it though so I can't even remember who wanted it and if I ever sent 
them.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:23:36 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby 
 bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in 
 between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find 
 places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of 
 the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had cats 
 out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice 
 protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I found 
 several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute. But if 
 the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
  Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or
  something.
  
  I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive
  rotties.
  
  On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson 
  longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
  
   Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
  
   - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
  
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  
   It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
   shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
   Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
   plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
   lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
   Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
   Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to
   love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. 
   Also
   suggest interplanting daffodils.
   On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
  
   OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry
   for
   posting here.
  
   Natalie,
  
   Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
   apologize.
   I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
   they
   eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the
   deer
   became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get
   into
   that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I
   chose
   repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They
   are
   creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was
   no
   nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a
   number
   on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
  
   James do not boot me off.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

I read that too but I don't know which oils it is that can cause problems.  
Since I hadn't planned on using it I didn't look it up.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:02:58 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've read that one has to be extremely careful about using some essential
 oils on cats! 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:08 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart
 water. Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin. Works
 with mosquitos also. Everyone around here who has chickens use this every
 day on them. If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens. The gnats clog
 up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood
 loss.
  Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Amen to flea collars!
  
  I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and
  never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that
 I
  put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil
 and
  eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.)
  
  This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to
 these
  garlic tablets for fleas and ticks,
  http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only
  just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas
  or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got
  whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front
 Line
  on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food
  poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have
 it
  on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying
  alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick!
  
  You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying
 it),
  you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's
 yeast
  works very well.
  
  I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic
  and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to
  catch them to administer it...
  
  Ideas, ideas!
  On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  
   Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous
 one,
   it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
   This is it:
   I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
 underweight,
   pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
   poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of
   Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
   Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only
 when
   it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and
 asks
   clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
   products.
   The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
   get
   into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
   though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a
 flea
   inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in
 the
   making.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
   To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
   Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
   I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
 underweight,
   pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
   poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of
   Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
   Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only
 when
   it's
   The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
   get
   into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
   though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a
 flea
   inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in
 the
   making.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
   Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
Squirrels dig up bulbs.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Bunnies eat my azaleas :(

- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


 It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
 shrubs being eaten.  We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
 Azaleas - never touched!  I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
 plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
 lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  
 to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  
 them.  Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
 On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
 OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  
 sorry for
 posting here.

 Natalie,

 Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I  
 apologize.
 I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse  
 they
 eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  
 the deer
 became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  
 get into
 that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  
 I chose
 repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  
 They are
 creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  
 was no
 nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a  
 number
 on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

 James do not boot me off.

 Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
Deer have a certain territory and don't leave it.  When you see a group of
deer, they're always the same group.  There are also some ultrasonic devices
available to keep deer away , but we want to see more deer. We feed cracked
corn to geese and ducks (we're on a pond with a waterfall); we were sitting
on our deck one early summer, and a doe came and stared at us for a long
time, so we put out some more corn.  She went back into the underbrush at
the edge of our property and came back with two fawns! 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything!  I'm so tired of trimming
shrubs and yard work.  I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many
other things.  My husband hates yard work worse than I do.  I love to have a
pretty yard but man it's a lot of work.  If the deer came and tore it up
then I'd have an excuse.
 
Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a
fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if
they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants.  It might
attract more deer though.  I thought of it because at work we have some kind
of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is)
and every year I see deer over there.  I thought it was great and even put a
salt lick over there.  The thing is though that it's always two or three.  I
never see hoards and hoards of deer.  Two or three come and eat and then
they're gone.  I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and
there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem
although there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would
come around.  Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer
come eat their food.  Well, just a thought.  I know you don't want to
attract deer but if they're coming no matter what and you're property is big
enough just wondered if giving them something away from where you don't want
them to be would help.  As well as the wind chimes and other stuff.
Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about it.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
 shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
 Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
 plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
 lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem 
 to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above 
 them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
 On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
  OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am 
  sorry for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I 
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse 
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago 
  the deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not 
  get into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. 
  I chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. 
  They are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there 
  was no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a 
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
That's right, and make sure it's the kind that birds can't get hung up in,
too! But it all depends on what animals you're trying to keep out, too.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Better research to find out what kind of fence to get.  I used to find baby
bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time.  I had like one inch spaces
in between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd
find places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the
bottom of the fence to make a bigger space to come in.  This was years
before I had cats out there.  My two dogs would only go out to pee so the
bunnies had this nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have
their babies.  I found several of the nests out there and saw some really
tiny ones.  So cute.  But if the object is to keep them away better find the
right kind of fence.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence...
or
 something.
 
 I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive
 rotties.
 
 On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson
longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
 
  Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
 
  - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
  It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers
and
  shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never
touched!
  Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
  plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there
are
  lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to
  love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them.
Also
  suggest interplanting daffodils.
  On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
  OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry
  for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago
the
  deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get
  into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I
  chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.
They
  are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there
was
  no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
Was it to me?  I think I was going to send some of my outdoor enclosures -
but it has to be provate because this site doesn't accept anything larger
than, is it 20MB?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Speaking of fences ... I was supposed to send pictures of my cat fence to
someone.  Was it someone in this group?  I don't think I ever sent them.
I'm so out of it though so I can't even remember who wanted it and if I ever
sent them.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:23:36 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby
bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in
between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find
places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom
of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had
cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this
nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I
found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute.
But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence.
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 
 
 
  Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence...
or
  something.
  
  I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive
  rotties.
  
  On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson
longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
  
   Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
  
   - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
  
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  
   It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers
and
   shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never
touched!
   Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and
daylilieswill
   plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there
are
   lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
   Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
   Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem
to
   love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them.
Also
   suggest interplanting daffodils.
   On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
  
   OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am
sorry
   for
   posting here.
  
   Natalie,
  
   Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
   apologize.
   I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
   they
   eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago
the
   deer
   became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not
get
   into
   that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.
I
   chose
   repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.
They
   are
   creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there
was
   no
   nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a
   number
   on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were
hungry.
  
   James do not boot me off.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
There must be info online about it!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


I read that too but I don't know which oils it is that can cause problems.
Since I hadn't planned on using it I didn't look it up.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:02:58 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've read that one has to be extremely careful about using some essential
 oils on cats! 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:08 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart
 water. Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin. Works
 with mosquitos also. Everyone around here who has chickens use this every
 day on them. If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens. The gnats clog
 up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood
 loss.
  Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Amen to flea collars!
  
  I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old
and
  never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals
that
 I
  put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil
 and
  eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.)
  
  This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to
 these
  garlic tablets for fleas and ticks,
  http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I
only
  just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any
fleas
  or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he
got
  whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front
 Line
  on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food
  poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have
 it
  on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying
  alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick!
  
  You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying
 it),
  you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's
 yeast
  works very well.
  
  I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the
garlic
  and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to
  catch them to administer it...
  
  Ideas, ideas!
  On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  
   Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous
 one,
   it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
   This is it:
   I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
 underweight,
   pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated
with
   poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of
   Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other
than
   Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only
 when
   it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and
 asks
   clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of
those
   products.
   The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can
easily
   get
   into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
   though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a
 flea
   inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in
 the
   making.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
   To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
   Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
   I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
 underweight,
   pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated
with
   poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of
   Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other
than
   Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only
 when
   it's
   The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can
easily
   get
   into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
   though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a
 flea
   inside

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

No, it wasn't you but I can send them to you too.  The name Debbie comes to 
mind but I'm not sure about that either.  I'm in a feline asthma group too so 
it may have been someone from there.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:51:22 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Was it to me? I think I was going to send some of my outdoor enclosures -
 but it has to be provate because this site doesn't accept anything larger
 than, is it 20MB?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 Speaking of fences ... I was supposed to send pictures of my cat fence to
 someone. Was it someone in this group? I don't think I ever sent them.
 I'm so out of it though so I can't even remember who wanted it and if I ever
 sent them.
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain
 
 
 
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:23:36 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  
  Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby
 bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in
 between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find
 places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom
 of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had
 cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this
 nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I
 found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute.
 But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence.
  
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain
  
  
  
   Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   
   Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence...
 or
   something.
   
   I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive
   rotties.
   
   On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson
 longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:
   
Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
   
- Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
   
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   
   
It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers
 and
shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never
 touched!
Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and
 daylilieswill
plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there
 are
lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
   
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   
Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem
 to
love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them.
 Also
suggest interplanting daffodils.
On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
   
OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am
 sorry
for
posting here.
   
Natalie,
   
Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
apologize.
I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
they
eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago
 the
deer
became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not
 get
into
that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.
 I
chose
repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.
 They
are
creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Natalie
Here's a lot of info:
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=deer-resistant+plants - deer
resistant panting
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=garden+fencing+against+animal
s - fencing


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Send them to me - my azalea bushes are overgrown and need trimming anyway!
I used to have bunnies everywhere but now there's a few stray cats hanging
around so I guess that's why they're not coming around anymore.  I miss them
though.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


 
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:04:39 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Bunnies eat my azaleas :(
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
  It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers
and
  shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
  Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
  plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there
are
  lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
  Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem 
  to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above 
  them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
  On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
  
  OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am 
  sorry for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I 
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse 
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago 
  the deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not 
  get into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. 
  I chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. 
  They are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there 
  was no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a 
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

diatomaceous earth

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:43:46 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 What is DE?
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject from our cats do deer, but.
  I have to confess to you that I am very heavily involved in trying to remove
  all the unfair blame for black-legged ticks/Lyme disease cast on deer.
  Scientific studies have shown that the number of deer have nothing to do
  with the number of ticks, and Lyme disease. In Fairfield County, CT (where
  I live), deer densities are a lot higher per sq/mi than in Windham County,
  CT - yet, incidents of LD are a lot higher where the deer numbers are lower!
  When many deer are killed, the assumption is, wrongly, that the number of
  ticks will decrease! It only means that the remaining deer will have more
  ticks on them. When a deer is killed, ticks don't die with them (just as
  when an animal that is infested with fleas dies, the fleas merely jump off
  onto other animals.) As soon as the blood cools, parasites leave. The ONLY
  solution is to go after the ticks! Black-legged ticks do not require only
  deer to fulfill their life-cycle to lay eggs - any midsized mammal will
  serve that purpose (horses in horse country, cattle on farms, etc, family
  dogs and even opportune Homo sapiens). Even though one might want to lay
  blame on the dozens of small mammals and even birds that carry the Lyme
  disease-causing spirochete bacterium, WITHOUT black-legged ticks, the
  transmission of the bacterium could be accomplished without them! Therefore,
  the ONLY solution to eliminating LD is getting rid of the black-legged
  ticks!
  And again, I'm not sure that anyone has seriously considered DE for doing
  that! It would stand to reason that if DE destroys the outer waxy covering
  of fleas, dehydrating them, why wouldn't it do the same on ticks? Although,
  it seems that fleas are harder to crunch and kill than ticks when they are
  engorged fully with blood
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
  Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall
   weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks
   carry lyme disease. It even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer
   population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats
  would
   get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They
  would
   engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller
   and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this
  year
   but I started using the Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out
  and
   get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought
   the dog size.
  
  
  As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem
  with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it
  works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is
  poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that.
  I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably
  had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better
  to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and
  a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection.
  
  I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do
  not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on
  our pets.
  
  Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Sally Davis
Unless I missed a post I was not complaining. Sorry if you took it that way.
I have a Masters degree in horticulture. I stated before did not start
having a problem with deer until a few years ago. Everything I plant now is
deer resistant. I am not giving up my daylily collection, because I have
over 500 varieties. I started collecting before the deer changed their
geazing pattern. I know they will eat some and I accept that.

My cats love to lay amongst the daylilies. It gives the cover from the sun.

Thanks for you offer.

Sally

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2011-06-03 Thread Lynda Wilson
Oh my gosh, that is a heavenly sight. I hope you get pics sometime. I wish I 
lived close to the woods. I did when I lived in Idaho many years ago and I 
love nature. I don't get to enjoy it here in Texas as much. I know when we 
lived in Austin, the deer were starving there cuz there were so many. I'd 
feed them too. I'ts in my nature to believe they need help too. They are 
beautiful animals!
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Deer have a certain territory and don't leave it.  When you see a group of
deer, they're always the same group.  There are also some ultrasonic 
devices
available to keep deer away , but we want to see more deer. We feed 
cracked
corn to geese and ducks (we're on a pond with a waterfall); we were 
sitting

on our deck one early summer, and a doe came and stared at us for a long
time, so we put out some more corn.  She went back into the underbrush at
the edge of our property and came back with two fawns!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything!  I'm so tired of trimming
shrubs and yard work.  I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too 
many
other things.  My husband hates yard work worse than I do.  I love to have 
a

pretty yard but man it's a lot of work.  If the deer came and tore it up
then I'd have an excuse.

Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a
fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property 
if
they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants.  It 
might
attract more deer though.  I thought of it because at work we have some 
kind
of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it 
is)
and every year I see deer over there.  I thought it was great and even put 
a
salt lick over there.  The thing is though that it's always two or three. 
I

never see hoards and hoards of deer.  Two or three come and eat and then
they're gone.  I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and
there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem
although there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would
come around.  Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer
come eat their food.  Well, just a thought.  I know you don't want to
attract deer but if they're coming no matter what and you're property is 
big
enough just wondered if giving them something away from where you don't 
want

them to be would help.  As well as the wind chimes and other stuff.
Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about it.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain




Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and
shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched!
Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill
plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are
lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem
to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above
them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am
 sorry for
 posting here.

 Natalie,

 Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I
 apologize.
 I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse
 they
 eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago
 the deer
 became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not
 get into
 that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.
 I chose
 repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.
 They are
 creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there
 was no
 nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a
 number
 on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

 James do not boot me

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-03 Thread Lynda Wilson

No worries, Sally :0)

- Original Message - 
From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Unless I missed a post I was not complaining. Sorry if you took it that 
way.

I have a Masters degree in horticulture. I stated before did not start
having a problem with deer until a few years ago. Everything I plant now 
is

deer resistant. I am not giving up my daylily collection, because I have
over 500 varieties. I started collecting before the deer changed their
geazing pattern. I know they will eat some and I accept that.

My cats love to lay amongst the daylilies. It gives the cover from the 
sun.


Thanks for you offer.

Sally

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2011-06-02 Thread Natalie
Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject from our cats do deer, but.
I have to confess to you that I am very heavily involved in trying to remove
all the unfair blame for black-legged ticks/Lyme disease cast on deer.
Scientific studies have shown that the number of deer have nothing to do
with the number of ticks, and Lyme disease.  In Fairfield County, CT (where
I live), deer densities are a lot higher per sq/mi than in Windham County,
CT - yet, incidents of LD are a lot higher where the deer numbers are lower!
When many deer are killed, the assumption is, wrongly, that the number of
ticks will decrease!  It only means that the remaining deer will have more
ticks on them.  When a deer is killed, ticks don't die with them (just as
when an animal that is infested with fleas dies, the fleas merely jump off
onto other animals.)  As soon as the blood cools, parasites leave. The ONLY
solution is to go after the ticks!  Black-legged ticks do not require only
deer to fulfill their life-cycle to lay eggs - any midsized mammal will
serve that purpose (horses in horse country, cattle on farms, etc, family
dogs and even opportune Homo sapiens).  Even though one might want to lay
blame on the dozens of small mammals and even birds that carry the Lyme
disease-causing spirochete bacterium, WITHOUT black-legged ticks, the
transmission of the bacterium could be accomplished without them! Therefore,
the ONLY solution to eliminating LD is getting rid of the black-legged
ticks!
And again, I'm not sure that anyone has seriously considered DE for doing
that! It would stand to reason that if DE destroys the outer waxy covering
of fleas, dehydrating them, why wouldn't it do the same on ticks?  Although,
it seems that fleas are harder to crunch and kill than ticks when they are
engorged fully with blood

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

  Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall
 weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks
 carry lyme disease. It  even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer
 population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats
would
 get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They
would
 engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller
 and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this
year
 but I started using the  Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out
and
 get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought
 the dog size.


As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem
with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it
works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is
poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that.
I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably
had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better
to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and
a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection.

I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do
not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on
our pets.

Sally
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2011-06-02 Thread Sally Davis
OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for
posting here.

Natalie,

Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize.
I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they
eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer
became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into
that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose
repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are
creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no
nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number
on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

James do not boot me off.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-02 Thread MaiMaiPG
Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  
to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  
them.  Also suggest interplanting daffodils.

On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  
sorry for

posting here.

Natalie,

Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I  
apologize.
I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse  
they
eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  
the deer
became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  
get into
that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  
I chose
repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  
They are
creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  
was no
nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a  
number

on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.

James do not boot me off.

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2011-06-02 Thread Sally Davis
I put up my first wind chime this year.. :-)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
This is he first I have heard of it.  Have been usng Revolution since it covers 
heartworm and  fleas. I live on a bluff right oer the river and we do have a 
lot of moquitos. We also seem to have more cases of heartworm in or county. He 
said cats usully keep themselves free of ticks.  I check them out anyway every 
time they go out.  I don't use it during the winter as they usually do not go 
out then because of rain and snow.  I don't liketo use chemicals on them any 
more than necessary.  I have never had any infestations of fleas in the house.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 
Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
know. 
 
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2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
I always styed away from Sevin because I tought it would harm them as much as 
the fleas.
 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
 
  I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent  
  all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they  
  just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
  Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is  
  this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched  
  himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
  Beth
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 
 Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
 thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
 site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
 I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of  
  you
 have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please  
  let me
 know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
RE:  deer  not really off topic, deer carry deer ticks and they hurt our cats.
Nothing stops deer 100%, but it does hlp to plant Peonies and yarrow.  
Something they don't like about the smell I guess.  It does work because my 
oriental lilies that are by peonies and yrrow have not been touched.
 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  
 to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  
 them.  Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
 On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
  OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  
  sorry for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I  
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse  
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  
  the deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  
  get into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  
  I chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  
  They are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  
  was no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a  
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
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2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
Wind chimes makes sense, the noise startles them and send them running.
 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine.  They seem  
 to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above  
 them.  Also suggest interplanting daffodils.
 On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
  OFF TOPIC  RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am  
  sorry for
  posting here.
 
  Natalie,
 
  Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I  
  apologize.
  I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse  
  they
  eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago  
  the deer
  became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not  
  get into
  that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that.  
  I chose
  repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns.  
  They are
  creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there  
  was no
  nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a  
  number
  on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry.
 
  James do not boot me off.
 
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2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
What is DE?
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject from our cats do deer, but.
 I have to confess to you that I am very heavily involved in trying to remove
 all the unfair blame for black-legged ticks/Lyme disease cast on deer.
 Scientific studies have shown that the number of deer have nothing to do
 with the number of ticks, and Lyme disease.  In Fairfield County, CT (where
 I live), deer densities are a lot higher per sq/mi than in Windham County,
 CT - yet, incidents of LD are a lot higher where the deer numbers are lower!
 When many deer are killed, the assumption is, wrongly, that the number of
 ticks will decrease!  It only means that the remaining deer will have more
 ticks on them.  When a deer is killed, ticks don't die with them (just as
 when an animal that is infested with fleas dies, the fleas merely jump off
 onto other animals.)  As soon as the blood cools, parasites leave. The ONLY
 solution is to go after the ticks!  Black-legged ticks do not require only
 deer to fulfill their life-cycle to lay eggs - any midsized mammal will
 serve that purpose (horses in horse country, cattle on farms, etc, family
 dogs and even opportune Homo sapiens).  Even though one might want to lay
 blame on the dozens of small mammals and even birds that carry the Lyme
 disease-causing spirochete bacterium, WITHOUT black-legged ticks, the
 transmission of the bacterium could be accomplished without them! Therefore,
 the ONLY solution to eliminating LD is getting rid of the black-legged
 ticks!
 And again, I'm not sure that anyone has seriously considered DE for doing
 that! It would stand to reason that if DE destroys the outer waxy covering
 of fleas, dehydrating them, why wouldn't it do the same on ticks?  Although,
 it seems that fleas are harder to crunch and kill than ticks when they are
 engorged fully with blood
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
   Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall
  weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks
  carry lyme disease. It  even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer
  population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats
 would
  get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They
 would
  engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller
  and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this
 year
  but I started using the  Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out
 and
  get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought
  the dog size.
 
 
 As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem
 with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it
 works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is
 poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that.
 I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably
 had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better
 to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and
 a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection.
 
 I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do
 not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on
 our pets.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
One of my 1st group of cats lost a small patch of hair where I applied the 
Revolution, but it came back in pure white.  So far, no problem with my new 
cats.
I like the idea of duct tape and lint rollers to pick them up.  Sure beats 
trying to pick them off one at a time.

 Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: 
   Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall
  weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks
  carry lyme disease. It  even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer
  population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would
  get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would
  engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller
  and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year
  but I started using the  Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and
  get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought
  the dog size.
 
 
 As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem
 with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it
 works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is
 poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that.
 I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably
 had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better
 to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and
 a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection.
 
 I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do
 not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on
 our pets.
 
 Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart 
water.  Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin.  Works 
with mosquitos also.  Everyone around here who has chickens use this every day 
on them.  If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens.  The gnats clog up the 
nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood loss.
 Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Amen to flea collars!
 
 I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and
 never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I
 put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and
 eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.)
 
 This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these
 garlic tablets for fleas and ticks,
 http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only
 just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas
 or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got
 whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line
 on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food
 poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it
 on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying
 alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick!
 
 You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it),
 you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast
 works very well.
 
 I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic
 and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to
 catch them to administer it...
 
 Ideas, ideas!
 On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
  it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
  This is it:
  I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
  pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
  poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
  Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
  Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
  it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
  clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
  products.
  The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
  get
  into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
  though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
  inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
  making.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
  To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
   Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
  pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
  poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
  Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
  Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
  it's
  The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
  get
  into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
  though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
  inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
  making.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
  me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
  infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
  three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
  bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
  live/reproduce off human blood)
 
  I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
  at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
  That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
  vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
  numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
  never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
  seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-02 Thread dlgegg
I am glad someone else has this problem.  Harley is always doing that to me.  
He also lovesto chase the mouse around the screen and even tried to look around 
the back and catch it there.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
 it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
 This is it:
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
 clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
 products.
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's  
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
 me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
 infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
 three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
 bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
 live/reproduce off human blood)
 
 I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
 at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
 That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
 vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
 numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
 never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
 seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
 and see their specifications.
 I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
 and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
 works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
 outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
 to fleas.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Beth
I've compared the dog  cat ingredients on the basic Advantage  it is the 
same. You have to know the dose  be very careful because some of the dog 
Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
doesn't recommend it.

Beth
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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM

Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
amounts?

My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
time!
Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
my
 cats.

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 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

  I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
 day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
 Advantage 2 weeks ago!
  Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
 still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
 because the fleas were still crawling.
  Beth
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  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 
     Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
     thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
     site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
     I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
     have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
     know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
Revolution - http://www.1800petmeds.com/Revolution-prod10265.html - it's
also against, heartworm, earmites - but they don't mention ticks! In rescued
cats, especially those who may have immunodeficiency, it's NOT a good idea
to use this product at all!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've compared the dog  cat ingredients on the basic Advantage  it is the
same. You have to know the dose  be very careful because some of the dog
Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She
doesn't recommend it.

Beth
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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM

Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
amounts?

My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
time!
Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
my
 cats.

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 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

  I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
 day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
 Advantage 2 weeks ago!
  Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
 still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
 because the fleas were still crawling.
  Beth
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  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 
     Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
     thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
     site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
     I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
     have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
     know.
 
     Lorrie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Edna Taylor

Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea 
meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths).  
She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of 
toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.  Unfortunately, I know 
that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying 
to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very 
careful.
 
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've compared the dog  cat ingredients on the basic Advantage  it is the 
 same. You have to know the dose  be very careful because some of the dog 
 Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
 doesn't recommend it.
 
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
 
 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
 
 Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
 splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
 amounts?
 
 My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
 been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
 time!
 Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
 not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
 have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
 
 I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
 FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
 same stuff.
 
 I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
 about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
 
 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
 my
  cats.
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/
 
  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
 
  Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
  On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
 
   I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
  day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
  Advantage 2 weeks ago!
   Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
  still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
  because the fleas were still crawling.
   Beth
   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/
  
   --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
  
  
  Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
  thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
  site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
  I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
  have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
  know.
  
  Lorrie
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Beth
No, you should never use Advantix on a cat. If you use dog Advantage on a cat 
make sure you use the regular plain formula.

Beth
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--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 10:21 AM


Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea 
meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths).  
She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of 
toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.  Unfortunately, I know 
that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying 
to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very 
careful.
 
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've compared the dog  cat ingredients on the basic Advantage  it is the 
 same. You have to know the dose  be very careful because some of the dog 
 Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
 doesn't recommend it.
 
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
 
 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
 
 Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
 splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
 amounts?
 
 My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
 been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
 time!
 Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
 not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
 have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
 
 I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
 FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
 same stuff.
 
 I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
 about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
 
 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
 my
  cats.
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/
 
  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
 
  Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
  On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
 
   I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
  day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
  Advantage 2 weeks ago!
   Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
  still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
  because the fleas were still crawling.
   Beth
   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/
  
   --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
   Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
  
  
      Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
      thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
      site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
      I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
      have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
      know.
  
      Lorrie
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
years ago.
Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around
the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
effective.
Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog
flea meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog
deaths).  She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the
percentages of toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.
Unfortunately, I know that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too)
so I am in no way trying to say that people are wrong for doing this, just
saying I would be very careful.
 
 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've compared the dog  cat ingredients on the basic Advantage  it is the
same. You have to know the dose  be very careful because some of the dog
Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She
doesn't recommend it.
 
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
 
 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
 
 Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
 splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
 amounts?
 
 My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there
have
 been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
 time!
 Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new.
It's
 not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
 have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
 
 I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
 FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
 same stuff.
 
 I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
 about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
 
 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
 my
  cats.
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
http://www.furkids.org/
 
  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
 
  Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
  On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
 
   I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
  day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just
had
  Advantage 2 weeks ago!
   Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
  still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself
raw
  because the fleas were still crawling.
   Beth
   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/
  
   --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
   Cc

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
it's  
The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
making.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Katy Doyle
Amen to flea collars!

I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and
never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I
put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and
eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.)

This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these
garlic tablets for fleas and ticks,
http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only
just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas
or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got
whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line
on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food
poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it
on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying
alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick!

You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it),
you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast
works very well.

I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic
and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to
catch them to administer it...

Ideas, ideas!
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
 it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
 This is it:
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
 clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
 products.
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
 get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.

 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
 get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
 me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
 infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
 three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
 bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
 live/reproduce off human blood)

 I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
 at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
 That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
 vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
 numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
 never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
 seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
 and see their specifications.
 I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
 and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
 works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
 outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey

Why is it that your vet hates Revolution?  Has he had a lot of cats with bad 
reactions to it?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk]  Pet Armor
 
 Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
 it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
 This is it:
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
 clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
 products.
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's  
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
 me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
 infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
 three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
 bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
 live/reproduce off human blood)
 
 I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
 at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
 That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
 vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
 numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
 never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
 seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
 and see their specifications.
 I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
 and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
 works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
 outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
 to fleas.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey

Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my 
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it 
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I 
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and 
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.  
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail, 
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this 
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it 
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be good 
enough.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
 years ago.
 Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
 and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
 could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
 why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around
 the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
 degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
 before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
 happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
 which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
 looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
 sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
 effective.
 Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
 neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
 still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
 The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
 those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
 systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.

 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson
Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we 
have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? 
My apologies if I did.


Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be 
good enough.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain





Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
years ago.
Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, 
around

the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
effective.
Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
Yes, and his vet friends, too!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Why is it that your vet hates Revolution?  Has he had a lot of cats with bad
reactions to it?

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk]  Pet Armor
 
 Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
 it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
 This is it:
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
 clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
 products.
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
underweight,
 pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
 poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
 Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
 Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
 it's  
 The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
get
 into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
 though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
 inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
 making.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
 me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
 infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
 three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
 bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
 live/reproduce off human blood)
 
 I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
 at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
 That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
 vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
 numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
 never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
 seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
 and see their specifications.
 I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
 and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
 works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
 outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
 to fleas.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
My husband actually sprays a few times in the summer and fall - just to make
sure. He sprays it under the deck where the cat enclosure is on top of the
deck.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my 
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it 
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I 
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and 
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.  
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail, 
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this 
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it 
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be
good enough.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
 years ago.
 Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
 and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
 could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
 why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
around
 the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
 degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
 before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
 happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
 which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
 looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
 sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
 effective.
 Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
 neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
 still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
 The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
 those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
 systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.

 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey

It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long as 
you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic.  
The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably google it but 
I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about 
the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which 
is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you 
would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food 
because it acts as a dewormer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we 
 have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? 
 My apologies if I did.
 
 Thanks,
 Lynda
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 
 Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
 little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
 makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
 don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
 supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
 Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
 the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
 white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
 looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
 
 How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be 
 good enough.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
 Twain
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
  years ago.
  Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
  and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
  could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
  why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, 
  around
  the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
  degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
  before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
  happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
  which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
  looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
  sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
  effective.
  Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
  neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
  still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
  The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
  those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
  systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
Yes, it probably is.  But the one used for worming, according to Dr.
Pitcairn, is food grade.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we 
have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way?

My apologies if I did.

Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be 
good enough.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark 
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
 years ago.
 Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
 and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
 could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
 why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, 
 around
 the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
 degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
 before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
 happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
 which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
 looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
 sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
 effective.
 Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
 neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
 still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
 The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
 those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
 systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson

ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!

- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long as 
you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very 
toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably 
google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots 
of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been 
somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.


Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you 
would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food 
because it acts as a dewormer.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain





Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what 
we
have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the 
way?

My apologies if I did.

Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be
good enough.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a 
 few

 years ago.
 Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the 
 house
 and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that 
 I
 could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. 
 That's

 why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
 around
 the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
 degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
 before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if 
 it

 happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
 which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
 looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
 sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
 effective.
 Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
 neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you 
 can

 still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
 The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, 
 especially
 those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their 
 immune

 systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey

Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats.  You'd 
probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.

The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they 
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no 
idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've got 
a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it doesn't 
go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 
 It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long as 
 you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very 
 toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably 
 google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots 
 of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been 
 somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.
 
 Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you 
 would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food 
 because it acts as a dewormer.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
 Twain
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
  From: longhornf...@verizon.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what 
  we
  have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the 
  way?
  My apologies if I did.
 
  Thanks,
  Lynda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 
  Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
  little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
  makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
  don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
  supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
  Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
   that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
   where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
  the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
  white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
  looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
 
  How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be
  good enough.
 
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
  profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
  Twain
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
   From: at...@optonline.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
   Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a 
   few
   years ago.
   Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the 
   house
   and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that 
   I
   could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. 
   That's
   why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
   around
   the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
   degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
   before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if 
   it
   happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
   which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
   looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
   sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
   effective.
   Flea collars are absolutely useless

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie
The danger with diatomaceous earth is that each teeny flake, like a
microscopic snowflake, has extremely sharp edges - if inhaled, can cause
very serious lung irritation, whether it's food or garden/pool grade!  
ALL varieties work on getting rid of fleas, whereas ONLY the food grade can
be used as wormer or supplement.
I can tell you that it really works - it destroys the flea's waxy coating,
exposing it to dehydration, leading to death!
Sounds horrible, but I don't mind killing fleas and ticks, well, maybe
bedbugs, too!  I wonder if anyone ever checked if DE kills bedbugs, too;
they seem to have a crunchy body- yuck!  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats.  You'd
probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.

The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no
idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've
got a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it
doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 
 It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long
as 
 you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very 
 toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably 
 google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get
lots 
 of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been 
 somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.
 
 Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like
you 
 would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food

 because it acts as a dewormer.
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are

 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark 
 Twain
 
 
 
  Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
  From: longhornf...@verizon.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what

  we
  have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the 
  way?
  My apologies if I did.
 
  Thanks,
  Lynda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 
 
  Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
  little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
  makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
  don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
  supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
  Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
   that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
   where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
  the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
  white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
  looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
 
  How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would
be
  good enough.
 
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are
  profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
  Twain
 
 
 
   Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
   From: at...@optonline.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  
   Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a

   few
   years ago.
   Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson
Yuck is right, but it's a good thought!! Bed bugs are bad, so I hear. I 
don't want to experience them either!
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



The danger with diatomaceous earth is that each teeny flake, like a
microscopic snowflake, has extremely sharp edges - if inhaled, can cause
very serious lung irritation, whether it's food or garden/pool grade!
ALL varieties work on getting rid of fleas, whereas ONLY the food grade 
can

be used as wormer or supplement.
I can tell you that it really works - it destroys the flea's waxy coating,
exposing it to dehydration, leading to death!
Sounds horrible, but I don't mind killing fleas and ticks, well, maybe
bedbugs, too!  I wonder if anyone ever checked if DE kills bedbugs, too;
they seem to have a crunchy body- yuck!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats. 
You'd

probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.

The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because 
they
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have 
no

idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've
got a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but 
it

doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain




Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!

- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long

as

you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very
toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably
google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get

lots

of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been
somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like

you
would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's 
food



because it acts as a dewormer.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are



profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as 
 what



 we
 have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the
 way?
 My apologies if I did.

 Thanks,
 Lynda
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



 Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
 little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
 makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
 don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
 supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
 Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I 
 spread
  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the 
 shade

  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
 the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
 white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
 looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

 How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would

be

 good enough.

 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that

are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts 
 upon

 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to

me

 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain



  Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
  From

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson
Too bad we don't live close, I would split it with you! Besides, I don't 
think I would have killed you, maybe just threatened too, lol! Yeah, I love 
my baby Sugar!! We are inseparable!


Take Care~
L
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats.  You'd 
probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.


The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they 
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no 
idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've 
got a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it 
doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain





Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!

- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long 
as

you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very
toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably
google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get 
lots

of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been
somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like 
you

would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food
because it acts as a dewormer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain



 Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what
 we
 have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the
 way?
 My apologies if I did.

 Thanks,
 Lynda
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



 Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
 little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
 makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
 don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
 supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
 Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
 the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
 white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
 looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

 How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would 
 be

 good enough.

 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
 are

 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to 
 me

 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
 Twain



  Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
  Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a
  few
  years ago.
  Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the
  house
  and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way 
  that

  I
  could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.
  That's
  why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
  around
  the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
  degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not 
  just
  before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced 
  if

  it
  happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread MaiMaiPG
Please know that I got fleas in my home a number of years ago and  
blamed my indoor/outdoor feral cat who was in the process of taking my  
life over.  One night I came in from work in an area that was roach  
infested and saw fleas jumping off of my uniform.  Fleas don't seem to  
bite me so I didn't realize that it wasn't Ebony that was infecting  
our homeit was me.

On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Natalie wrote:

I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,  
underweight,
pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated  
with

poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other  
than
Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only  
when

it's
The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can  
easily get

into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a  
flea
inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones  
in the

making.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT,  
BEVERLY

Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had  
to

bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of  
them

at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address  
Natalie's

vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage,  
but

never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each  
product

and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are  
using,

and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being  
exposed

to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Sally Davis
  Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall
 weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks
 carry lyme disease. It  even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer
 population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would
 get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would
 engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller
 and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year
 but I started using the  Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and
 get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought
 the dog size.


As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem
with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it
works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is
poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that.
I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably
had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better
to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and
a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection.

I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do
not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on
our pets.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Beth
I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day 
yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had Advantage 
2 weeks ago!
Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the 
case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the 
fleas were still crawling.
Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM


   Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
   thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
   site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
   I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
   have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
   know. 

   Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG

Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent  
all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they  
just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is  
this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched  
himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM


   Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
   thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
   site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
   I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of  
you
   have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please  
let me

   know.

   Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Beth
I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my 
cats.

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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM

Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

 I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day 
 yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had 
 Advantage 2 weeks ago!
 Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still 
 the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because 
 the fleas were still crawling.
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 
    Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
    thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
    site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
    I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
    have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
    know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Natalie
I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin
powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! 
Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.  One can also
use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it
into the food once in a while.

How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a
variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active
ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one
hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your
lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as
shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust
on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is
a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not
recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people
do.

Difficulty:EasyInstructions
Things You'll Need
Sevin Dust
Gloves
Mask
Goggles
Shaker bottle

1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust
is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on
your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust
as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product.

2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile,
you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is
a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of
insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are
beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the
places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial
insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your
shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If
you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by
sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place
Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside
the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change
clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

Tips  Warnings
Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like
talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is
needed.

Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the
dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a
physician immediately.

Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

 I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent  
 all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they  
 just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
 Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is  
 this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched  
 himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM


Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of  
 you
have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please  
 let me
know.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Natalie
I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and
see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and
some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works
well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go outside,
they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day
yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
Advantage 2 weeks ago!
Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still
the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because
the fleas were still crawling.
Beth
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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armorcan look up each of the products and read their
specifications.
To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM


   Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
   thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
   site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
   I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
   have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
   know. 

   Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Katy Doyle
I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my
 cats.

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/

 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

  I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
 day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
 Advantage 2 weeks ago!
  Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
 still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
 because the fleas were still crawling.
  Beth
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/
 
  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 
 Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
 thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
 site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
 I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
 have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
 know.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG
On the same sort of subject:  I had a feral contract babesiosis (I  
think) from a tick in December.  It was a budget breaker.  Luckily,  
Red recovered.  He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more  
confined but looks wonderful.  Ticks are all over the place and I am  
getting one or two off of me daily.  The ferals can't be treated  
individually.  Any ideas would be appreciated.

On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote:

I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several  
sites, Sevin

powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous!
Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.  One  
can also
use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by  
mixing it

into the food once in a while.

How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works  
on a
variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The  
active
ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over  
one
hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on  
your
lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as  
well as
shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put  
Sevin Dust
on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin  
Dust is
a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it.  
It is not
recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some  
people

do.

Difficulty:EasyInstructions
Things You'll Need
Sevin Dust
Gloves
Mask
Goggles
Shaker bottle

1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging.  
Sevin Dust
is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the  
dust on
your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale  
Sevin Dust
as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this  
product.


2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so  
versatile,
you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin  
Dust is

a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of
insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are
beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin  
only in the

places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial
insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into  
your
shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want  
treated. If
you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your  
home by
sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet.  
Place
Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it  
inside

the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off.  
Change

clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

Tips  Warnings
Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine,  
like
talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly  
where it is

needed.

Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to  
inhale the
dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes,  
contact a

physician immediately.

Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:


I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent
all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they
just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is
this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched
himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM


  Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
  thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
  site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
  I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of
you
  have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please
let me
  know.

  Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Katy Doyle
Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if
there are any solutions.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the same sort of subject:  I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think)
 from a tick in December.  It was a budget breaker.  Luckily, Red recovered.
  He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks
 wonderful.  Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of
 me daily.  The ferals can't be treated individually.  Any ideas would be
 appreciated.

 On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote:

 I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin
 powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous!
 Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.  One can
 also
 use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing
 it
 into the food once in a while.

 How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

 Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a
 variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active
 ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one
 hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your
 lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as
 shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust
 on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust
 is
 a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is
 not
 recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people
 do.

 Difficulty:EasyInstructions
 Things You'll Need
 Sevin Dust
 Gloves
 Mask
 Goggles
 Shaker bottle

 1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust
 is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust
 on
 your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin
 Dust
 as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product.

 2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so
 versatile,
 you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust
 is
 a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of
 insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are
 beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in
 the
 places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial
 insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

 3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your
 shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If
 you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by
 sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place
 Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside
 the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

 4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
 finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off.
 Change
 clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

 Tips  Warnings
 Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like
 talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it
 is
 needed.

 Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the
 dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact
 a
 physician immediately.

 Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
 http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

 I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent
 all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they
 just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
 Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is
 this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched
 himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/

 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM


  Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
  thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
  site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
  I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of
 you
  have

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Katy Doyle
Here are some testimonials on Diatomaceous Earth:
*http://www.earthworkshealth.com/organic-pest-control-testimonials.php*
**
Apparently, it works on any crawling insect, including ticks.

I can't wait to use it in my yard!!!


On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if
 there are any solutions.

 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the same sort of subject:  I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think)
 from a tick in December.  It was a budget breaker.  Luckily, Red recovered.
  He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks
 wonderful.  Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of
 me daily.  The ferals can't be treated individually.  Any ideas would be
 appreciated.

 On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote:

 I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites,
 Sevin
 powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous!
 Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.  One can
 also
 use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing
 it
 into the food once in a while.

 How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

 Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a
 variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active
 ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one
 hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your
 lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as
 shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin
 Dust
 on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust
 is
 a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is
 not
 recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people
 do.

 Difficulty:EasyInstructions
 Things You'll Need
 Sevin Dust
 Gloves
 Mask
 Goggles
 Shaker bottle

 1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin
 Dust
 is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust
 on
 your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin
 Dust
 as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product.

 2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so
 versatile,
 you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust
 is
 a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of
 insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are
 beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in
 the
 places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial
 insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

 3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your
 shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If
 you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by
 sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place
 Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it
 inside
 the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

 4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
 finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off.
 Change
 clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

 Tips  Warnings
 Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like
 talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it
 is
 needed.

 Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the
 dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes,
 contact a
 physician immediately.

 Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
 http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

 I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent
 all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they
 just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
 Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is
 this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched
 himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
 Beth
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 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Beth
I get the Large dog size Advantage  split it for my cats. I have done this
 for years  it's worked great, but doesn't seem to work any more. I will try
the revolution. I do have 2 cats of my own, 4 foster cats,  one 65 lb dog, so 
it gets 
expensive.

Beth

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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 4:17 PM

I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Natalie
Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
amounts?

My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
time!
Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
my
 cats.

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 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

  I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
 day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they just had
 Advantage 2 weeks ago!
  Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
 still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
 because the fleas were still crawling.
  Beth
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/
 
  --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
 
 
 Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
 thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
 site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
 I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
 have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
 know.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Natalie
We have our property sprayed for ticks and have no problems, so far, knock
on wood!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if
there are any solutions.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the same sort of subject:  I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think)
 from a tick in December.  It was a budget breaker.  Luckily, Red
recovered.
  He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks
 wonderful.  Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off
of
 me daily.  The ferals can't be treated individually.  Any ideas would be
 appreciated.

 On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote:

 I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites,
Sevin
 powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous!
 Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.  One can
 also
 use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing
 it
 into the food once in a while.

 How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

 Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a
 variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active
 ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one
 hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your
 lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as
 shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin
Dust
 on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust
 is
 a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is
 not
 recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people
 do.

 Difficulty:EasyInstructions
 Things You'll Need
 Sevin Dust
 Gloves
 Mask
 Goggles
 Shaker bottle

 1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin
Dust
 is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust
 on
 your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin
 Dust
 as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product.

 2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so
 versatile,
 you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust
 is
 a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of
 insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are
 beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in
 the
 places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial
 insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

 3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your
 shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If
 you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by
 sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place
 Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it
inside
 the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

 4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
 finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off.
 Change
 clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

 Tips  Warnings
 Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like
 talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it
 is
 needed.

 Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the
 dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes,
contact
 a
 physician immediately.

 Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
 http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

 I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent
 all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas  they
 just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
 Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is
 this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched
 himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
 Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/

 --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
 Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG
Sprayed with what?  I live on a farm and can't do it all but can do  
the area used.  Same with the area of the ferals.

On May 31, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Natalie wrote:

We have our property sprayed for ticks and have no problems, so far,  
knock

on wood!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see  
if

there are any solutions.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

On the same sort of subject:  I had a feral contract babesiosis (I  
think)

from a tick in December.  It was a budget breaker.  Luckily, Red

recovered.

He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks
wonderful.  Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or  
two off

of
me daily.  The ferals can't be treated individually.  Any ideas  
would be

appreciated.

On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote:

I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites,

Sevin

powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous!
Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.   
One can

also
use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by  
mixing

it
into the food once in a while.

How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product  
works on a
variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The  
active
ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills  
over one
hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on  
your
lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as  
well as
shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put  
Sevin

Dust
on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes.  
Sevin Dust

is
a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it.  
It is

not
recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some  
people

do.

Difficulty:EasyInstructions
Things You'll Need
Sevin Dust
Gloves
Mask
Goggles
Shaker bottle

1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging.  
Sevin

Dust
is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want  
the dust

on
your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale  
Sevin

Dust
as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this  
product.


2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so
versatile,
you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that  
Sevin Dust

is
a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types  
of
insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects  
are
beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin  
only in

the
places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that  
beneficial

insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into  
your
shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want  
treated. If
you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your  
home by
sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground  
meet. Place

Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it

inside

the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off.
Change
clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

Tips  Warnings
Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very  
fine, like
talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly  
where it

is
needed.

Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to  
inhale the

dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes,

contact

a
physician immediately.

Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the  
house.

On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent
all day yesterday cleaning  combing cats to get rid of fleas   
they

just had Advantage 2 weeks ago!
Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is
this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched
himself raw because the fleas were still crawling.
Beth
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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Maureen Olvey

Thanks Sally.  That is very helpful info.  I didn't know you could split up 
Advantage.  Awesome, I'll give it a shot too.  
 
If I didn't have a lot of cats I wouldn't do the splitting up thing.  I would 
feel safer just buying the pre-measured doses, I always did it that way when I 
had just two dogs, but now I've got so many cats, it's my foster cats and my 
own cats that were actually fosters at one time that never got adopted, that 
I'd go broke just on flea stuff if not for being able to split the stuff up.  A 
lady at the vet's office did the breakdown for me so I felt better about it 
since she'd been doing it for a while.
 
Are ticks mostly around trees and stuff?  I don't have trees but a few shrubs 
and I haven't had tick problems (knock on wood).  Not at home anyway.  Where I 
feed some ferals is in a wooded area and I always seem to bring a couple home 
with me every few weeks.  Ticks that is.  Brought home several dumped tame cats 
and kittens from there too!
 
Thanks again for your comments.
 
 
Maureen and her clowder of more than 10 cats.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


 
 Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:49:11 -0400
 From: putty...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 
 Chickens will eat ticks, but if a big farm it probably is not practical. I
 am not making any real recommendations,just commenting. I am in the
 horticulture field where chemicals are used for insect and disease control,
 it is always best to rotate products so you do not develop resistance to the
 chemical being used. An example would be using Frontline one month and next
 month use Advantage. You would not even have to be every month maybe use one
 for two months etc. Just a note about splitting it up They products are the
 same ingredients and are in the same concentration in both the dog and cat
 versions. Dosing in is done according to weight in dogs and cats. I am not a
 vet and I am not recommending anyone do this if they are not certain. Also
 cats are more sensitive to chemicals and some pesticides for use on dogs
 cannot be used on cats. Be safe not sorry. :-)
 
 Now I am not going to say Sevin is safe for use on pets but in the old
 days it is what the vet recommended for fleas and yes we used it on the
 cats. Also I did not use gloves or anything like that because it was
 considered very safe. You had to be careful not to get on flowering plants
 as it was deadly for bees. Fleas became resistant to it. We used 5% dust not
 the 10%.
 
 For plants I do not do much spraying because people we spray too much. The
 ticks have been bad the past two years. I really considered some chickens
 myself, but I worry about predators killing them. As for Pet Armor Plus, it
 sounds like the patent on Frontline has run out and that means we can get
 generics. I plan to buy it next time I need it but I do have Frontline I
 bought last year for the cats. I split it up with a syringe. I have 10 cats
 and get the big dog size, I have also have done that with Advantage and
 Revolution.
 
 My Two cents.
 
 Sally and her 10 kitties
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread Natalie
I don't know what it is, I can ask the tree an...it's tickicide, I guess.
He does it around the house and perimeter.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Sprayed with what?  I live on a farm and can't do it all but can do  
the area used.  Same with the area of the ferals.
On May 31, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Natalie wrote:

 We have our property sprayed for ticks and have no problems, so far,  
 knock
 on wood!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:24 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see  
 if
 there are any solutions.

 On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the same sort of subject:  I had a feral contract babesiosis (I  
 think)
 from a tick in December.  It was a budget breaker.  Luckily, Red
 recovered.
 He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks
 wonderful.  Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or  
 two off
 of
 me daily.  The ferals can't be treated individually.  Any ideas  
 would be
 appreciated.

 On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote:

 I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites,
 Sevin
 powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous!
 Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled.   
 One can
 also
 use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by  
 mixing
 it
 into the food once in a while.

 How to Kill Fleas With Sevin

 Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product  
 works on a
 variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The  
 active
 ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills  
 over one
 hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on  
 your
 lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as  
 well as
 shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put  
 Sevin
 Dust
 on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes.  
 Sevin Dust
 is
 a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it.  
 It is
 not
 recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some  
 people
 do.

 Difficulty:EasyInstructions
 Things You'll Need
 Sevin Dust
 Gloves
 Mask
 Goggles
 Shaker bottle

 1  Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging.  
 Sevin
 Dust
 is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want  
 the dust
 on
 your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale  
 Sevin
 Dust
 as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this  
 product.

 2  Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so
 versatile,
 you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that  
 Sevin Dust
 is
 a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types  
 of
 insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects  
 are
 beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin  
 only in
 the
 places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that  
 beneficial
 insects such as lady bugs inhabit.

 3  Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into  
 your
 shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want  
 treated. If
 you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your  
 home by
 sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground  
 meet. Place
 Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it
 inside
 the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn.

 4  Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are
 finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off.
 Change
 clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine.

 Tips  Warnings
 Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very  
 fine, like
 talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly  
 where it
 is
 needed.

 Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to  
 inhale the
 dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes,
 contact
 a
 physician immediately.

 Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com
 http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

 Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the  
 house.
 On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:

 I need

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG
I have friends who split doses of various tick/flea stuff regularly.   
They say they get a more precise dose given the range on the pre- 
measured packages.  I don't know.  I can't get either on the ferals  
and they really need something.  My cats are basically indoor  
(carriage rides and unauthorized walk-abouts) and the dog is as indoor  
as a dog can be and still have fun.

On May 31, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Maureen Olvey wrote:



Thanks Sally.  That is very helpful info.  I didn't know you could  
split up Advantage.  Awesome, I'll give it a shot too.


If I didn't have a lot of cats I wouldn't do the splitting up  
thing.  I would feel safer just buying the pre-measured doses, I  
always did it that way when I had just two dogs, but now I've got so  
many cats, it's my foster cats and my own cats that were actually  
fosters at one time that never got adopted, that I'd go broke just  
on flea stuff if not for being able to split the stuff up.  A lady  
at the vet's office did the breakdown for me so I felt better about  
it since she'd been doing it for a while.


Are ticks mostly around trees and stuff?  I don't have trees but a  
few shrubs and I haven't had tick problems (knock on wood).  Not at  
home anyway.  Where I feed some ferals is in a wooded area and I  
always seem to bring a couple home with me every few weeks.  Ticks  
that is.  Brought home several dumped tame cats and kittens from  
there too!


Thanks again for your comments.


Maureen and her clowder of more than 10 cats.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain





Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:49:11 -0400
From: putty...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Chickens will eat ticks, but if a big farm it probably is not  
practical. I

am not making any real recommendations,just commenting. I am in the
horticulture field where chemicals are used for insect and disease  
control,
it is always best to rotate products so you do not develop  
resistance to the
chemical being used. An example would be using Frontline one month  
and next
month use Advantage. You would not even have to be every month  
maybe use one
for two months etc. Just a note about splitting it up They products  
are the
same ingredients and are in the same concentration in both the dog  
and cat
versions. Dosing in is done according to weight in dogs and cats. I  
am not a
vet and I am not recommending anyone do this if they are not  
certain. Also
cats are more sensitive to chemicals and some pesticides for use on  
dogs

cannot be used on cats. Be safe not sorry. :-)

Now I am not going to say Sevin is safe for use on pets but in the  
old
days it is what the vet recommended for fleas and yes we used it  
on the

cats. Also I did not use gloves or anything like that because it was
considered very safe. You had to be careful not to get on flowering  
plants
as it was deadly for bees. Fleas became resistant to it. We used 5%  
dust not

the 10%.

For plants I do not do much spraying because people we spray too  
much. The
ticks have been bad the past two years. I really considered some  
chickens
myself, but I worry about predators killing them. As for Pet Armor  
Plus, it
sounds like the patent on Frontline has run out and that means we  
can get
generics. I plan to buy it next time I need it but I do have  
Frontline I
bought last year for the cats. I split it up with a syringe. I have  
10 cats
and get the big dog size, I have also have done that with Advantage  
and

Revolution.

My Two cents.

Sally and her 10 kitties
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