Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread Natalie
Have you tried playing with her?  I always collect goose feathers when they
molt and tape on or two to the end of a long stick and use it to stroke
feral cats.  At first, they hiss and swat at the feather (depending on their
socialization and tolerance), and eventually, they enjoy it...I stroke them
along the side of the face at first, then top of the head and back toward
the tail.  I have a very good short article on phases of touching, when you
eventually get to that point.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
that goes!
~B.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.

You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.

Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread MaiMaiPG
Try spraying Feliway on you.  It worked with the Royal Princess Kitty  
Katt.

On Aug 13, 2011, at 12:21 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak  
out
about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR  
organization

(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and  
seems

okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to  
her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a  
hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).   
I'll feel

better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.   
Poor
darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll  
see how

that goes!
~B.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.  
Lane

Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a  
couple

of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.

You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who  
will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns  
where

home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.

Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread MaiMaiPG
Also might consider leaving a radio on (low volume please) or a tape  
recording of your voice.

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:18 AM, Natalie wrote:

Have you tried playing with her?  I always collect goose feathers  
when they
molt and tape on or two to the end of a long stick and use it to  
stroke
feral cats.  At first, they hiss and swat at the feather (depending  
on their
socialization and tolerance), and eventually, they enjoy it...I  
stroke them
along the side of the face at first, then top of the head and back  
toward
the tail.  I have a very good short article on phases of touching,  
when you

eventually get to that point.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak  
out
about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR  
organization

(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and  
seems

okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to  
her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a  
hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).   
I'll feel

better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.   
Poor
darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll  
see how

that goes!
~B.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.  
Lane

Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a  
couple

of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.

You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who  
will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns  
where

home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.

Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
great idea.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
that goes!
~B.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.

You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.

Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread Gloria Lane
Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are taking 
constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are only 
certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
 staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
 great idea.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 Thanks, Gloria.
 I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
 about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
 (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
 She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
 okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
 beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
 make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
 life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
 better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
 hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
 darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
 that goes!
 ~B.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
 of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
 hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
 weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
 
 You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
 the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
 home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
 unfortunately.
 
 Good luck with your kitty -
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread Natalie
We have one cat from NJ that has a tiny earring at the base of the ear, and
another cat from NY that has a tattoo ('04) inside the ear, when he was
neutered.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are
taking constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are
only certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
wrote:

 Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
 staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
 great idea.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 Thanks, Gloria.
 I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
 about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
 (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
 She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
 okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
 beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
 make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
 life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll
feel
 better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
 hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
 darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
 that goes!
 ~B.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
 of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
 hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
 weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
 
 You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
 the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
 home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
 unfortunately.
 
 Good luck with your kitty -
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-13 Thread dlgegg
I like the ideaof a tattoo in the ear.  What does it say?  How would one know 
the cat has been spayed/neuterd and when?  Does it give name of owner or vet?


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 We have one cat from NJ that has a tiny earring at the base of the ear, and
 another cat from NY that has a tattoo ('04) inside the ear, when he was
 neutered.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:08 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
 Well clipping the ear is for ferals, so not for domestics that folks are
 taking constant care of. Regular vets prob don't deal w that much. There are
 only certain vets that we can take ferals to, others won't deal with them.
 
 Gloria
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:08 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  Sounds like a good start! Are you doing the eye contact stuff -- not
  staring, doing the slow blink etc.? The future enclosure sounds like a
  great idea.
  
  Diane R.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
  Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
  
  Thanks, Gloria.
  I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
  about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
  (filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
  She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
  okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
  beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
  make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
  life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll
 feel
  better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
  hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
  darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
  that goes!
  ~B.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
  Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
  
  If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
  of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
  hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
  weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.
  
  You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
  the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
  home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
  unfortunately.
  
  Good luck with your kitty -
  
  Gloria
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-12 Thread Bonnie Hogue
I followed up at the clinic yesterday: their policy is to scan each cat for
a chip when they come in.  This one was scanned and nothing found.  

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that
come up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't
work, moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches  Yahoo suggested a
different spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on
the chip records.  Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very
obvious/common dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the
original owner (just last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo
figured that part out) who had adopted the cat to a friend a year
prior...friend dumped the cat, to the original owner's shock (and showed no
remorse when contacted)...orig. owner felt horrible and took the kitty back.

 

Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in
situations where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but
chip not registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company
where the cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always
offer this info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by
guessing the family vet by the registered address  calling the vet who
either knew the cat or was able to look up the people's name.  Found 2
owners that way.

 

It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very
good homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so.

 

I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best
to scan for chip  do homework just in case

 

And remember there is a universal microchip lookup website.   I have also
had chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said petlink with a
ph# (or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people
registered with another company.

 

As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells
me the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which
makes finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip
info WAS up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other
searches (including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we
scanned the chip).

 

Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
wrote:

I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far
animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from
its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays,
bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from
home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter 
maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the
cat's been out there for a couple of years.  

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 


Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
sweet once we got our hands on them.

 

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

 

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

 

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

 

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

 

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
just moved out, etc.).

 

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the
house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-12 Thread dlgegg
I never thought of checking for chips.  We have so many unwanted babies around 
here.  Everyone wants to let their Moma have babies for the kids sake or say 
it costs too much to spay them.  Then when they get pregnant, they take them 
out and dump them, let them fend for themselves or kill them.  Only since PALS 
started up (guess they never had a place to take them before) have peple been 
turning them in so they could find a home.  I usually end up keeping them and 
once I have taken them for shots and spaying/neutering, they are mine.  It 
costs around $200.00 for all that and also by that time I am attached to them 
and do't want to let go of them.  Can't take them to PALS because they and all 
the foster parents are loaded up.  We have had a lot of people loosing their 
homes, can't have animals in their new (usually rental) home so they bring them 
to PALS.  All of the no kill rescues are over crowded because of this.  It is a 
bad situation and I don't see an end in the near future so we have to start 
looking for a new solution.  Well, an old one called spay or neuter.  Just have 
to get people to do it.
 Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far
 animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from
 its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays,
 bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from
 home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter 
 maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the
 cat's been out there for a couple of years.  
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
  
 
 Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
 himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
 pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
 sweet once we got our hands on them.
 
  
 
 Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.
 
  
 
 She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.
 
  
 
 Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've
 had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't
 always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.
 
  
 
 So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
 out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
 crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
 where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
 say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
 at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
 to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.
 
  
 
 Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I
 missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
 just moved out, etc.).
 
  
 
 Good luck and thank you for helping her!!
 
 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:
 
 Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the
 house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly,
 simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
  
 
   _  
 
 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
 From: merrykatme...@email.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma 
 
 
 
 Hi Bonnie,
 
 I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.
 
 Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so,
 you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide
 (large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get
 her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be
 with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a
 half-hour  read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to
 hearing you. 
 
 If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed
 her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.
 
 Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window
 cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells
 from inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box
 outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be
 so apt to bolt or run off.
 
 Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!
 
 Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Bonnie Hogue
 
 Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
 
 To: felvtalk

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-12 Thread Susan Hoffman
I know a cat who was reunited with her person after 2-1/2 years because of a 
microchip.  Always worth scanning, just in case.  

(I'm in California though.  All the rescues chip animals before adoption here.  
I'm sure other parts of the country do no.)

--- On Fri, 8/12/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 1:10 PM
 I never thought of checking for
 chips.  We have so many unwanted babies around
 here.  Everyone wants to let their Moma have babies
 for the kids sake or say it costs too much to spay
 them.  Then when they get pregnant, they take them out
 and dump them, let them fend for themselves or kill
 them.  Only since PALS started up (guess they never had
 a place to take them before) have peple been turning them in
 so they could find a home.  I usually end up keeping
 them and once I have taken them for shots and
 spaying/neutering, they are mine.  It costs around
 $200.00 for all that and also by that time I am attached to
 them and do't want to let go of them.  Can't take them
 to PALS because they and all the foster parents are loaded
 up.  We have had a lot of people loosing their homes,
 can't have animals in their new (usually rental) home so
 they bring them to PALS.  All of the no kill rescues
 are over crowded because of this.  It is a bad
 situation and I don't see an end in the near future so we
 have to start looking for a new solution.  Well, an old
 one called spay or neuter.  Just have to get people to
 do it.
  Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
 wrote: 
  I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters 
 you have no idea how far
  animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had
 disappeared months ago from
  its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is
 sometimes, people pick up strays,
  bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now
 even further from
  home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking
 with your local shelter 
  maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this
 case, it sounds like the
  cat's been out there for a couple of years.  
  
   
  
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Heather
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR
 Dilemma
  
   
  
  Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already
 spayed, is a cleft palate
  himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this
 was likely someone's
  pet.   some of the cats at my colonies
 who have been most standoffish were
  sweet once we got our hands on them.
  
   
  
  Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely
 do this.
  
   
  
  She may of course be abandoned but also could be
 displaced/lost.
  
   
  
  Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date
 contact info and I've
  had to do detective work, but because the chip info
 isn't up to date doesn't
  always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves
  misses it.
  
   
  
  So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort
 I believe...most turn
  out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in
 the family who's been
  crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this
 situation before
  where we really didn't think the cat had a good home,
 one never knows.  I
  say this knowing that most do end up being
 deadbeatsbut, not always, or
  at least, there might be one person in the family who
 does care and deserves
  to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to
 claim.
  
   
  
  Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this
 regard--please pardon if I
  missed something that clearly indicated the cat was
 abandoned (like people
  just moved out, etc.).
  
   
  
  Good luck and thank you for helping her!!
  
  On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
  
  Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do. 
 Place her in a room in the
  house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she
 is quite friendly,
  simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you
 will never see her again :(
   
  
    _  
  
  Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
  From: merrykatme...@email.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR
 Dilemma 
  
  
  
  Hi Bonnie,
  
  I would try to bring her over to your house, but not
 directly outside.
  
  Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for
 a few weeks?  If so,
  you should keep her in there - with litter, food 
 water  a place to hide
  (large box with hole in it  some towels will do
 just fine) while you get
  her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go
 in there everyday to be
  with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in
 there for at least a
  half-hour  read something out loud (normal voice)
 so she can get used

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-12 Thread dlgegg
CHANGE IS HARD  Every time a new cat comes in, everyone gets their nose out of 
joint.  They hide, do a lot of hissing and slapping and get angry with me.  
They won't come near me and act like I am  traitor. This goes on for a week or 
2 and then all settle down.


 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I 
 call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now.  And the other cats 
 go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door 
 between house and attached garage).  But good suggestion.
 
  
 
 It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on.  And 
 I just brought Princess over about a week ago.  Yesterday I started moving 
 some furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage 
 for hours.  I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-)
 
  
 
 Thanks for the great suggestions!
 
 ~B.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
  
 
 Hi Bonnie,
 
 I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.
 
 Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, 
 you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide 
 (large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
 accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her 
 - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
 something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 
 
 If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
 her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.
 
 Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
 cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
 inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside 
 too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to 
 bolt or run off.
 
 Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!
 
 Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Bonnie Hogue
 
 Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
  
 
 Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
 away from needing to decide.
 
  
 
 The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
 living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
 past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
 source of food?).
 
  
 
 Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
 excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
 means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
  
 
 So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange 
 place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her 
 back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what 
 will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as 
 good a motivation as I do.
 
  
 
 I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
  
 
 But what would YOU do?
 
  
 
 Thanks for your thoughts.
 
  
 
 ~Bonnie
 
  
 


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2011-08-12 Thread Natalie
Around here, they know that eventually, they must get along, and they DO.  They 
may not all be bosom buddies, but they respect one another's turf!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

CHANGE IS HARD  Every time a new cat comes in, everyone gets their nose out of 
joint.  They hide, do a lot of hissing and slapping and get angry with me.  
They won't come near me and act like I am  traitor. This goes on for a week or 
2 and then all settle down.


 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I 
 call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now.  And the other cats 
 go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door 
 between house and attached garage).  But good suggestion.
 
  
 
 It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on.  And 
 I just brought Princess over about a week ago.  Yesterday I started moving 
 some furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage 
 for hours.  I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-)
 
  
 
 Thanks for the great suggestions!
 
 ~B.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
  
 
 Hi Bonnie,
 
 I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.
 
 Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, 
 you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide 
 (large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
 accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her 
 - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
 something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 
 
 If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
 her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.
 
 Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
 cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
 inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside 
 too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to 
 bolt or run off.
 
 Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!
 
 Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 - Original Message -
 
 From: Bonnie Hogue
 
 Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
  
 
 Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
 away from needing to decide.
 
  
 
 The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
 living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
 past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
 source of food?).
 
  
 
 Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
 excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
 means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
  
 
 So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange 
 place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her 
 back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what 
 will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as 
 good a motivation as I do.
 
  
 
 I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
  
 
 But what would YOU do?
 
  
 
 Thanks for your thoughts.
 
  
 
 ~Bonnie
 
  
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-12 Thread Gloria B. Lane
If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a  
couple of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home  
is, and hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the  
right weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection,  
etc.


You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who  
will do the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she  
learns where home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty  
was altered, unfortunately.


Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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2011-08-12 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Thanks, Gloria.
I guess regular vets don't clip the ear because people would freak out
about how their cat looks.  Forgotten Felines, our local TNR organization
(filled with Angels, by the way) did clip her ear.
She's now on my porch (we're having a cool summer, oddly enough) and seems
okay.  I am beginning to really like her.  Tonight I sat out in the
beautiful, nearly full moon evening, drinking a beer and singing to her (I
make up a song for all my cats -- this one was about how Hemy had a hard
life but came through alright anyway and now things are better).  I'll feel
better is she won't shun me -- right now she turns her back on me or
hisses, letting me know just how mad she is about this whole thing.  Poor
darling!  Tonight I tried to buy her love with canned food.  We'll see how
that goes!
~B.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

If you put the kitty in a cage or secure porch or outbuilding for a couple
of weeks, she will learn where she gets her food, where home is, and
hopefully stay around.  Course this depends on your having the right
weather, or a porch with the right temperature and protection, etc.

You might also be able to find someone who takes outdoor cats, who will do
the same thing, to keep kitty put up for a while so that she learns where
home is. I gather they didn't eartip to show that kitty was altered,
unfortunately.

Good luck with your kitty -

Gloria



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Terri Brown
I would say, check with your local Petsmart of Petco and ask the rescues if 
they have room for an abandoned, already spayed cat.  If none of their fosters 
have room, perhaps they have a foster your own pet (FYOP) program, and you can 
find her a forever home.  The rescue group I work with has FYOP, and can 
sometimes even provide a large kennel/cage to keep the cat separate from your 
own clowder.

Hope this helps.

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hoguemailto:ho...@sonic.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


  Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

  The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

  Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

  So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange 
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her 
back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will 
happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

  I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

  But what would YOU do?

  Thanks for your thoughts.

  ~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
A little more info.

She's in the trap, where the FF people said she should stay until morning
which it is.

She had a problem with her tail, so part of that had to be amputated.  They
said it went really well and she didn't bleed much which is good.  They
advised the bandage would just come off in time.  She's a big Himalyan girl
with blue eyes.  A very striking cat.  Oh, and she has a cleft pallet which
I've never seen in a kitty before.  

I want to do the best thing for her.  Again, your help is appreciated.

~B.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Importance: High

 

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
her back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
what will happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not
have as good a motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Natalie
That's sad - why would they want her to stay in the trap?  That's no way to
keep a cat that is friendly. Check with a species specific rescue - maybe
they would take this poor cat.  No, she cannot be just dumped out there
again.  A bathroom, garage, basement would be a better fate than that until
a real home can be found.  But take her out of that trap.was the tail
damaged by a trap?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Importance: High

 

A little more info.

She's in the trap, where the FF people said she should stay until morning
which it is.

She had a problem with her tail, so part of that had to be amputated.  They
said it went really well and she didn't bleed much which is good.  They
advised the bandage would just come off in time.  She's a big Himalyan girl
with blue eyes.  A very striking cat.  Oh, and she has a cleft pallet which
I've never seen in a kitty before.  

I want to do the best thing for her.  Again, your help is appreciated.

~B.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Importance: High

 

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
her back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
what will happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not
have as good a motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Belinda Sauro

 Hi Bonnie,
   I would take her to your place, feed her right away so she knows 
that is your intention.  Also make sure she know your aunt's cat is 
there with you, she is and has been aware of that cat while she was at 
your aunts and it will give her some familiarity and may help keep her 
there.  Don't be discouraged if at first she disappears for a few days, 
she will want to check out her new neighborhood.  Just keep putting food 
out and in your mind picture her living there and welcome.  Hopefully 
she will decided survival is more important than territory.




On 8/11/2011 6:05 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an 
hour away from needing to decide.


The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a 
“feral” living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years 
ago, and for the past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a 
resident there (her only source of food?).


Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local 
and excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been 
spayed.  That means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had 
just abandoned her!


So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a 
strange place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good 
heart.  If I take her back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the 
market soon) god knows what will happen, where she will find food, and 
the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a motivation as I do.


I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie




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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread kathryn mundell
Hi Bonnie,

 I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

 Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks? If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver. Go in there everyday to be with her - 
even if you don't touch her. Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

 If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her. Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty. etc.

 Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside. That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or 
run off.

 Good luck! It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

 Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday! Now I’m literally an hour away 
from needing to decide.
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard. The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the past 
year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only source 
of food?).
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization. Guess what? She had already been spayed. That means 
some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
So here’s the dilemma: if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place. 
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart. If I take her back to my 
aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
But what would YOU do?
Thanks for your thoughts.
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Natalie

The folks at Forgotten Felines said to leave the cats in the trap overnight
due to having had anesthetic.  She has been real rummy and quiet.  She let
me put food in with her, but didn't eat it.  Yes, it's time to get her out
of there now that the sun is coming up.  And thanks for your inputs.  I
won't just open the trap and say good luck.  I'm now trying to locate a
larger kennel-type thing to get her acclimated to my yard.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

That's sad - why would they want her to stay in the trap?  That's no way to
keep a cat that is friendly. Check with a species specific rescue - maybe
they would take this poor cat.  No, she cannot be just dumped out there
again.  A bathroom, garage, basement would be a better fate than that until
a real home can be found.  But take her out of that trap.was the tail
damaged by a trap?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Importance: High

 

A little more info.

She's in the trap, where the FF people said she should stay until morning
which it is.

She had a problem with her tail, so part of that had to be amputated.  They
said it went really well and she didn't bleed much which is good.  They
advised the bandage would just come off in time.  She's a big Himalyan girl
with blue eyes.  A very striking cat.  Oh, and she has a cleft pallet which
I've never seen in a kitty before.  

I want to do the best thing for her.  Again, your help is appreciated.

~B.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
Importance: High

 

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
her back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
what will happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not
have as good a motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Belinda Sauro

Great idea!


On 8/11/2011 6:19 AM, kathryn mundell wrote:

Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If 
so, you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place 
to hide (large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) 
while you get her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in 
there everyday to be with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in 
there for at least a half-hour  read something out loud (normal 
voice) so she can get used to hearing you.


If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to 
feed her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.


Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened 
window cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood 
smells from inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( 
put her box outside too) she will already be familiar with the 
surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or run off.


Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Beth
When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always stayed 
around once freed.

Beth

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From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
But what would YOU do?
Thanks for your thoughts.
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I 
call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now.  And the other cats 
go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door 
between house and attached garage).  But good suggestion.

 

It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on.  And I 
just brought Princess over about a week ago.  Yesterday I started moving some 
furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage for 
hours.  I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-)

 

Thanks for the great suggestions!

~B.

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her - 
even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or 
run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -

From: Bonnie Hogue

Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

 

The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

 

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!

 

So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

 

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

 

But what would YOU do?

 

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

~Bonnie

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Beth,  I think this is going to have to be the answer.  Now the question…where 
to get the crate.  Those darn things are expensive.  I’m working on that now.  
I’d hate to plunk out another $125….but guess I could gift it back to Forgotten 
Felines when finished.  I can’t say enough good about that organization.  They 
spay/neuter about 80 cats a week.  Bless them!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always stayed 
around once freed.

 

Beth

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http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!

So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Christiane Biagi
Not at my computer but there are sites that talk about rehoming ferals.  Best 
I can rember is to somehow contain cat in garage or big pen for 2 or 3 weeks n 
when I let it loose, it knows that this is the place for food. Mayne try alley 
cat alleys.

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
her back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
what will happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not
have as good a motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Christiane Biagi
Sometimes local shelter has xtras from people who dump animals. If u buy new, 
theres one site thay I got 42 midwest crate frim fir around 70.  Will look up 
n send on to u

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

Beth,  I think this is going to have to be the answer.  Now the question…where 
to get the crate.  Those darn things are expensive.  I’m working on that now.  
I’d hate to plunk out another $125….but guess I could gift it back to 
Forgotten Felines when finished.  I can’t say enough good about that 
organization.  They spay/neuter about 80 cats a week.  Bless them!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always 
stayed around once freed.

 

Beth

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 http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!

So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place. 
 The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will 
happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good 
a motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Natalie
Is this a really feral cat?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Beth,  I think this is going to have to be the answer.  Now the question…where 
to get the crate.  Those darn things are expensive.  I’m working on that now.  
I’d hate to plunk out another $125….but guess I could gift it back to Forgotten 
Felines when finished.  I can’t say enough good about that organization.  They 
spay/neuter about 80 cats a week.  Bless them!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always stayed 
around once freed.

 

Beth

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http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif  www.Furkids.org 
http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!

So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Edna Taylor

Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the 
house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly, simply 
scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
 



Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
From: merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her - 
even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or 
run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)


- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma



Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
 
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
 
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
 
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
But what would YOU do?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
~Bonnie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
That’s a good question…

She was “fearful and unfriendly” when she showed up.  Ran, wouldn’t let anyone 
near her.  One time my aunt caught her (after months of feeding) and I wanted 
to get her to the vet.  Trying to put her in the carrying cage, she literally 
shredded my shirt!

However, over time she’s grown increasingly friendly, sticks around my aunt’s 
patio and “even tried to come in the house.”  At my aunt’s property, they have 
tamed two other ferals (and they were ferals).  They are Lucky and Princess, 
who live with me in the house now.

 

My fear was that with her awful looking tail (which is now better) and her 
cleft pallet, and her stand-offish disposition, the humane society would NOT 
see her as adoptable and that would end her life.  I can’t sentence her to 
death.  So now I have to do what I can to help her.

 

Thanks a million for your thoughts!

~B.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Is this a really feral cat?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Beth,  I think this is going to have to be the answer.  Now the question…where 
to get the crate.  Those darn things are expensive.  I’m working on that now.  
I’d hate to plunk out another $125….but guess I could gift it back to Forgotten 
Felines when finished.  I can’t say enough good about that organization.  They 
spay/neuter about 80 cats a week.  Bless them!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always stayed 
around once freed.

 

Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif  www.Furkids.org 
http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

  _  

From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!

So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Natalie
If a cat is to be released in a new area, she must be inside somewhere, for at 
least one month, then slowly introduced outside, in the cage or carrier, on a 
harness (if not feral), short periods, to longer periods progressively, 
otherwise the cat has no idea where she is, no sense of a familiar scent, will 
wander off, and never be seen again. Couldn’t an outdoor enclosure be built?  
It would be about as much as getting a cage. Somewhere the cat could go in 
through a cat door and out whenever she wanted?  It’s very easy to build one 
for not very much money.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Is this a really feral cat?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Beth,  I think this is going to have to be the answer.  Now the question…where 
to get the crate.  Those darn things are expensive.  I’m working on that now.  
I’d hate to plunk out another $125….but guess I could gift it back to Forgotten 
Felines when finished.  I can’t say enough good about that organization.  They 
spay/neuter about 80 cats a week.  Bless them!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always stayed 
around once freed.

 

Beth

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!  
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif  www.Furkids.org 
http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

  _  

From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!

So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

But what would YOU do?

Thanks for your thoughts.

~Bonnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
There's always the bathroom.  It's just for 2 or 3 weeks.
 
Over the years I have regretted the ones I did not rescue but have not really 
regretted the ones I did.

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 6:27 AM






Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I 
call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now.  And the other cats 
go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door 
between house and attached garage).  But good suggestion.
 
It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on.  And I 
just brought Princess over about a week ago.  Yesterday I started moving some 
furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage for 
hours.  I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-)
 
Thanks for the great suggestions!
~B.
 
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her - 
even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or 
run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 


Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
 
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
 
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
 
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
But what would YOU do?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
~Bonnie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Heather
Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
sweet once we got our hands on them.

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
just moved out, etc.).

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

  Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in
 the house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly,
 simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(

  --
 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
 From: merrykatme...@email.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


 Hi Bonnie,

 I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

 Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so,
 you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide
 (large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get
 her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be
 with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a
 half-hour  read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to
 hearing you.

 If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed
 her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

 Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window
 cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells
 from inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box
 outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be
 so apt to bolt or run off.

 Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

 Kat (Mew Jersey)

 - Original Message -

 From: Bonnie Hogue

 Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

  Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an
 hour away from needing to decide.



 The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral”
 living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
 past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
 source of food?).



 Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
 excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
 means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!



 So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange
 place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
 her back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
 what will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not
 have as good a motivation as I do.



 I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.



 But what would YOU do?



 Thanks for your thoughts.



 ~Bonnie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Christiane Biagi
I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far
animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from
its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays,
bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from
home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter 
maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the
cat's been out there for a couple of years.  

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
sweet once we got our hands on them.

 

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

 

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

 

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

 

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

 

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
just moved out, etc.).

 

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the
house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly,
simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
 

  _  

Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
From: merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma 



Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so,
you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide
(large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get
her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be
with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a
half-hour  read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to
hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells
from inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box
outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be
so apt to bolt or run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -

From: Bonnie Hogue

Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour
away from needing to decide.

 

The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
source of food?).

 

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

 

So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
her back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
what will happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not
have as good a motivation as I do.

 

I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

 

But what would YOU do?

 

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

~Bonnie

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Bonnie Hogue
I'll ask Forgotten Felines if they checked for a chip.  Thanks!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far
animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from
its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays,
bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now even further from
home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter 
maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this case, it sounds like the
cat's been out there for a couple of years.  

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
sweet once we got our hands on them.

 

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

 

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

 

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

 

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

 

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
just moved out, etc.).

 

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the
house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly,
simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
 

  _  

Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
From: merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma 



Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so,
you should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide
(large box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get
her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be
with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a
half-hour  read something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to
hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells
from inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box
outside too) she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be
so apt to bolt or run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -

From: Bonnie Hogue

Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

 

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour
away from needing to decide.

 

The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only
source of food?).

 

Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

 

So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take
her back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows
what will happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not
have

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Susan Saunders
Have you tried posting to the Special Needs groups.
 
Susan 

From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate 
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's 
pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were 
sweet once we got our hands on them.

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've 
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't 
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out 
to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying 
for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we 
really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I say this 
knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, 
there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the 
kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I 
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just 
moved out, etc.).

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!


On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the 
house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly, simply 
scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
 

Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
From: merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma 


Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her 
- even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt 
or run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)


- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
 
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
 
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange 
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her 
back to my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what 
will happen, where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as 
good a motivation as I do.
 
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
But what would YOU do?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
~Bonnie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Heather
Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that
come up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't
work, moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches  Yahoo suggested a
different spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on
the chip records.  Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very
obvious/common dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the
original owner (just last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo
figured that part out) who had adopted the cat to a friend a year
prior...friend dumped the cat, to the original owner's shock (and showed no
remorse when contacted)...orig. owner felt horrible and took the kitty back.

Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in
situations where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but
chip not registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company
where the cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always
offer this info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by
guessing the family vet by the registered address  calling the vet who
either knew the cat or was able to look up the people's name.  Found 2
owners that way.

It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very
good homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so.

I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best
to scan for chip  do homework just in case

And remember there is a universal microchip lookup website.   I have also
had chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said petlink with a
ph# (or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people
registered with another company.

As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells
me the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which
makes finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip
info WAS up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other
searches (including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we
scanned the chip).

Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-)

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote:

  I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far
 animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from
 its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays,
 bring them home, and then lose or dump them again—now even further from
 home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter 
 maybe taking a look at craig’s list—though in this case, it sounds like the
 cat’s been out there for a couple of years.  

 ** **

 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Heather
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

   ** **

 Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate
 himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's
 pet.   some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were
 sweet once we got our hands on them.

  

 Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

  

 She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

  

 Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and
 I've had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date
 doesn't always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.***
 *

  

 So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn
 out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been
 crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before
 where we really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I
 say this knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or
 at least, there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves
 to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

  

 Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if
 I missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people
 just moved out, etc.).

  

 Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:*
 ***

 Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the
 house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly,
 simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
  
  --

 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
 From: merrykatme...@email.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Edna Taylor

I just have to say that had I adopted out a cat to a friend and said friend 
dumped the cat and then showed no remorse for doing so, it would have taken me 
a nanosecond to drive to said friend's house and throat punched him/her.  As 
I am fond of saying, don't let the tears fool ya, I'm a toof chipper ;)

Edna
 



Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:48:43 -0400
From: furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that come 
up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't work, 
moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches  Yahoo suggested a different 
spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on the chip 
records.  Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very obvious/common 
dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the original owner (just 
last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo figured that part out) who had 
adopted the cat to a friend a year prior...friend dumped the cat, to the 
original owner's shock (and showed no remorse when contacted)...orig. owner 
felt horrible and took the kitty back.
 
Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in situations 
where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but chip not 
registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company where the 
cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always offer this 
info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by guessing the 
family vet by the registered address  calling the vet who either knew the cat 
or was able to look up the people's name.  Found 2 owners that way.
 
It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very good 
homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so.
 
I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best to 
scan for chip  do homework just in case
 
And remember there is a universal microchip lookup website.   I have also had 
chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said petlink with a ph# 
(or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people 
registered with another company.
 
As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells me 
the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which makes 
finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip info WAS 
up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other searches 
(including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we scanned the 
chip).
 
Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-)


On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:




I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far 
animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from its 
home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays, bring 
them home, and then lose or dump them again—now even further from home.  Its 
ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter  maybe taking a 
look at craig’s list—though in this case, it sounds like the cat’s been out 
there for a couple of years.  
 
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 



Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma




 

Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate 
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's pet.  
 some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were sweet once 
we got our hands on them.

 

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

 

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

 

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've 
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't 
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

 

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out 
to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying 
for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we 
really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I say this 
knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, 
there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the 
kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

 

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I 
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just 
moved out, etc.).

 

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:


Kat, great