Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-07 Thread dlgegg
My only problem is that I feed the birds on my deck (actually a piece of gutter 
nailed to the outside of the railing.  did this because coons, etc kept 
stealing my feeders) and possum eat one seed and poop 2 times, leaving ilttle 
oval shapped droppings all over the place.  If I could just teach them to eat 
on the deck and poop somewhere else.

 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Since we have cat condos in the garage, I leave it open when the weather is 
 nice, for airing out.
 
 One night, after I closed the door, I noticed a huge  “mother of all 
 possums”, in the garage near the cat condos.  Didn’t want to budge.  I coaxed 
 him, offered goodies, he just looked at me and sort-of hissed.  Lots of sharp 
 little teeth! I finally put a large trap in front of him, gingerly pushed him 
 in with a snow shovel, and carried him/her out.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:27 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
  
 
 The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not 
 carriers of rabies!  They are simply weird looking.  I saw my first possum 
 about 10 years ago.  We mutually scared each other out of our skins.  Then we 
 tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a 
 while.  We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not 
 dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station.
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 
 I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front 
 porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front 
 yard. I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more 
 fascinating(-:
 
 Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 
 2010. 
 
 On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Possums don't bother me but the coons do.  I have trapped and relocated 
  both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, 
  threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems 
  they were causing neighbors.  They were relocated to a farm I own.  I 
  brought the coons over immediately because they were vicious and very 
  likely to hurt themselves trying to escape (can't blame them).  They 
  get/carry a lot of diseases including canine distemper which makes people 
  think they are rabid when they are not but they do carry rabies.  As noted, 
  they can easily kill cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs).  
  They are extremely messy and destructive and can get into about anything.  
  I know, and knew, from personal experience but was not willing to turn the 
  captives over to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an 
  appropriate environment.
  
  Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again 
  from personal experience.  They are wonderful at insect control and I have 
  watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects.
  
  Just FYI:  The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the 
  possums but they are actually darlings in my world.
  On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote:
  
  Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating 
  together with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was 
  really terrified for the cat!
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
  dlg...@windstream.net
  Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
  
  cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding 
  the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have 
  enough good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  
  Somehow they seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of 
  them.  Coons can kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in 
  enough water to hold their head down until the drown them.
   Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:
  I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of 
  so they can pass through. I lean boards up  Against the sides. It's low 
  perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
  raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin 
  inside and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin 
  into one place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My 
  main issues end up being ants

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-04 Thread Marcia Baronda
I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front 
porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. 
I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more 
fascinating(-:

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Possums don't bother me but the coons do.  I have trapped and relocated both 
 (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, 
 threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they 
 were causing neighbors.  They were relocated to a farm I own.  I brought the 
 coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt 
 themselves trying to escape (can't blame them).  They get/carry a lot of 
 diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid 
 when they are not but they do carry rabies.  As noted, they can easily kill 
 cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs).  They are extremely 
 messy and destructive and can get into about anything.  I know, and knew, 
 from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to 
 hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment.
 
 Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again 
 from personal experience.  They are wonderful at insect control and I have 
 watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects.
 
 Just FYI:  The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the 
 possums but they are actually darlings in my world.
 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
 with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really 
 terrified for the cat!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
 birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
 good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
 seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
 kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
 their head down until the drown them.
  Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low 
 perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
 raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside 
 and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one 
 place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues 
 end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and 
 sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that 
 deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
 upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is 
 to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – 
 Mark Twain
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-04 Thread Lee Evans
The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not 
carriers of rabies!  They are simply weird looking.  I saw my first possum 
about 10 years ago.  We mutually scared each other out of our skins.  Then we 
tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a 
while.  We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not 
dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station.




 From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front 
porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. 
I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more 
fascinating(-:

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Possums don't bother me but the coons do.  I have trapped and relocated both 
 (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, 
 threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they 
 were causing neighbors.  They were relocated to a farm I own.  I brought the 
 coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt 
 themselves trying to escape (can't blame them).  They get/carry a lot of 
 diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid 
 when they are not but they do carry rabies.  As noted, they can easily kill 
 cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs).  They are extremely 
 messy and destructive and can get into about anything.  I know, and knew, 
 from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to 
 hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment.
 
 Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again 
 from personal experience.  They are wonderful at insect control and I have 
 watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects.
 
 Just FYI:  The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the 
 possums but they are actually darlings in my world.
 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
 with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really 
 terrified for the cat!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
 birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
 good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
 seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
 kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
 their head down until the drown them.
  Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low 
 perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
 raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside 
 and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one 
 place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues 
 end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and 
 sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that 
 deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
 upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is 
 to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-04 Thread GRAS
Since we have cat condos in the garage, I leave it open when the weather is 
nice, for airing out.

One night, after I closed the door, I noticed a huge  “mother of all possums”, 
in the garage near the cat condos.  Didn’t want to budge.  I coaxed him, 
offered goodies, he just looked at me and sort-of hissed.  Lots of sharp little 
teeth! I finally put a large trap in front of him, gingerly pushed him in with 
a snow shovel, and carried him/her out.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

 

The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not 
carriers of rabies!  They are simply weird looking.  I saw my first possum 
about 10 years ago.  We mutually scared each other out of our skins.  Then we 
tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a 
while.  We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not 
dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station.

 

  _  

From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front 
porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. 
I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more 
fascinating(-:

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Possums don't bother me but the coons do.  I have trapped and relocated both 
 (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, 
 threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they 
 were causing neighbors.  They were relocated to a farm I own.  I brought the 
 coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt 
 themselves trying to escape (can't blame them).  They get/carry a lot of 
 diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid 
 when they are not but they do carry rabies.  As noted, they can easily kill 
 cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs).  They are extremely 
 messy and destructive and can get into about anything.  I know, and knew, 
 from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to 
 hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment.
 
 Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again 
 from personal experience.  They are wonderful at insect control and I have 
 watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects.
 
 Just FYI:  The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the 
 possums but they are actually darlings in my world.
 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
 with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really 
 terrified for the cat!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
 birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
 good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
 seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
 kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
 their head down until the drown them.
  Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up  Against the sides. It's low 
 perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
 raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside 
 and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one 
 place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues 
 end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and 
 sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that 
 deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
 upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is 
 to me sufficient justification

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey

Yeah, right - they definitely must be taking a bath!  How can they get the 
water so dirty?  Even just one raccoon makes a mess of the water.

They are cute though.  I was tossing little bits of a banana to one once and 
after the banana was gone he slowly walked up to me then bent over and sniffed 
my shoe and then walked away.  I was scared he might bite me but I was too 
curious about what he was going to do to move.  But, they can be a problem too 
when they're tearing things up and eating the cat's food and you feed 50 ferals 
a day and don't have money to feed them too.

Just read that the babies leave the home range after a certain age.  So that's 
why they disappear.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 23:57:27 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
 
 I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it 
 open at their convenience.  I loose a lot of suet feeders that way.  My 
 outside water bowls are always dirty in the AM.  One has to wash their food 
 before eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating.
 
 
  Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
  
  Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top 
  of my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one 
  night.  When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice 
  little raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  
  I didn't see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so 
  I wondered if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it 
  away.  Cat paw prints are different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't 
  beat the raccoons.  Or the opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too. 
   I leave extra food out when I have donated food but if not it can get 
  expensive trying to feed the raccoons, opposums and cats.  I don't mind 
  feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths 
  in GA.  I'm wondering if raccoons are transient though.  Like I read on an 
  opposum website that they don't plant roots.  They may stick around a few 
  days but then they move on.  I have a feeling raccoons do that also.  I 
  need to google it.  Right now at one of my feral locations there are no 
  raccoons coming around at night.  But at times I know there are because all 
  the food is gone and the water is dirty.  Plus I've seen them there when I 
  go by at night.  But for the last couple of months when I show up the next 
  day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is clean. 
   And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies.  But a month 
  or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the 
  mama and four babies.  Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple 
  cats at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer 
  on it.  She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 
  9:00 at night one side of the container opens with food and later in the 
  night, like 2:00 am the other side opens.  That way the cats have food 
  during the night.  But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a 
  big colony.  Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they 
  would carry that off too.
  
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
  profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
  Twain
   Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
  From: khargrea...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
  
  The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree 
  there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb.
  
  On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just 
  restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid 
  to trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons 
  can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. 
  Wondering about this.  Dotty
  
  
  From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
   Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 
  
  Do they have battery operated radios

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-01 Thread Lorrie
On 05-31, Maureen Olvey wrote:
 
My  suggestion  -  give  up.   You  can't  beat  the raccoons.  

Raccoons are clever little beasties and they can figure out just
about anything. I'm surprised your friend's feeder is still there. 
I had one carried off and they also carried off the feed bowls and 
a screamer that I paid $60. for and was supposed to scare off
raccoons!

My solution is to feed my ferals early in the morning when raccoons
are not out.  They are nocturnal.  They can climb trees but they
cannot jump very high. I've heard of people in my other group using a
platform on a metal pole. The cats can jump 4 or 5 feet high but not
the raccoons.  I'd be concerned about this however, because old cats
or an injured feral couldn't jump that high either.  So early morning
feeding has worked best for me.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-01 Thread Natalie
Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really terrified 
for the cat!

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
their head down until the drown them.
 Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low perfect 
 for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to 
 get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece 
 of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. 
 Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up 
 being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper 
 to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted 
 to mention it. Hope that helps.
   
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
  profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
  Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-01 Thread Natalie
Hardware cloth, ¼” or ½” is a lot better than chicken wire; much sturdier –
that’s what we used on our outdoor enclosures.  We purchased a few
ready-made kits from CD, the panels are covered with turkey wire – also
sturdy.

 

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I have an outside enclosure built around a fairly large wooden shed (the
type you get at Home Depot or other undo-it-yourself places).  I also have
the same wire fencing enclosing the porch of a small cottage type building
(one large room, no plumbing) that the former owners used for crafts
projects.  I use it for my FIV+ cat sanctuary.  They love going out on the
porch and watching the enormous peacock who comes to eat cat food every
evening on the deck of my mobile home.  When I get some money (never? ever?)
I'm going to enclose the deck with the same gauge wire fencing. The peacock
will have to eat near the garage when that happens.  I want my main
community of cats who are inside the house right now to have access to the
lovely scenery outside - birds, crickets as large as rats (gasp!), and all
sorts of moths and other weird flying things.  It will also free up some
space in my house for ME!  How selfish of me. I'll call the guy who built
the enclosures for me and ask him what type of fencing he used, the gauge
and what it is called (not chicken wire or chain link, I know that). I'll
post here so those of you who want to make a safe outside enclosure for your
fur kids will have some info on options. 

 

  _  

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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:50 PM
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I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend time
outside.  The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on the
computer etc too.  The panels are less than half the cost of installed
fencing.  I am considering chicken wire to screen in the porch.  Ceiling
fans will take care of insects and cats will have a hard time wrecking the
wire.  Just thoughts.
On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net
dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog
and raccoon proof.  Also no seeums proof.  It cost $108.00 per roll (which
is a large roll).  I will try to dig out the info and send it to you.  I was
planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get
back late.  At least they would be able to get outside.  Harley especially
is a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and
driving the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out).  I
don't want to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt
and I would not get back in time to take them to the vet.  I know, crazy,
but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity.

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2012-06-01 Thread dot winkler
Wow.  That's amazing!  



 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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You have them figured out !  The old timers around here say a coon can get into 
or out of anything.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they 
 want to go.  I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, 
 watching my cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the 
 trees.  The brave cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman 
 and Robin had landed.  Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came 
 sauntering over the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and 
 waddled over to the feed bowl.  They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, 
 looked at me, sauntered back to the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, 
 jumped onto the large tree branch and were gone into the night with a maximum 
 of scrabbling again and a flutter of twigs and leaves.  So that should clear 
 up any doubt about how raccoons get around. They even get on top of my roof 
 from time to time and I know they can't fly.




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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM
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Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole 
but that's as far as the raccoon could climb.  It had one of those metal sheets 
that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house 
construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small 
tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. 
 But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there.  Wondering about 
this.  Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and 
ice on top of that smaller house.  Dotty 



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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM
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The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?


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2012-06-01 Thread dot winkler
Yes, you are right.  I think the raccoon has moved on and are probably 
transient.  I don't see him running around the area anymore.  There seems to be 
food in the bin now.  And you are right.  They left the water bowls empty and 
dirty.  BUT, now the cats still don't seem to want to eat the dry food b/c they 
can still smell the raccoon even though I believe it is gone.  The cats just 
kind of peer into the bin and sniff and walk away!  



 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Friday, June 1, 2012 12:57 AM
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I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it 
open at their convenience.  I loose a lot of suet feeders that way.  My outside 
water bowls are always dirty in the AM.  One has to wash their food before 
eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating.


 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top 
 of my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one 
 night.  When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little 
 raccoon paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  I didn't 
 see any major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered 
 if it was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away.  Cat paw 
 prints are different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't beat the raccoons.  
 Or the opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too.  I leave extra food 
 out when I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed 
 the raccoons, opposums and cats.  I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm 
 not rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA.  I'm wondering if 
 raccoons are transient though.  Like I read on an opposum website that they 
 don't plant roots.  They may stick around a few
 days but then they move on.  I have a feeling raccoons do that also.  I need 
to google it.  Right now at one of my feral locations there are no raccoons 
coming around at night.  But at times I know there are because all the food is 
gone and the water is dirty.  Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night.  
But for the last couple of months when I show up the next day the cats have dry 
food left from the day before and the water is clean.  And at my house I also 
will sometimes see a mama and babies.  But a month or two later I'm only seeing 
one or two raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies.  Where did 
they go? My friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one 
of those food containers with a timer on it.  She feeds a certain amount in an 
open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens 
with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens.  That way 
the cats have
 food during the night.  But the timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a 
big colony.  Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would 
carry that off too.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
 From: khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 
 The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, 
 to live in it, so yes, they can climb.
 
 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just 
 restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to 
 trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't 
 jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about 
 this.  Dotty
 
    
     From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
    
 
 Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons 
 can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap 
 it and relocate it?  
 On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:
 
 Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
 there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have 
 noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks
 
         From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
    
  A radio playing

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-06-01 Thread dot winkler
Don't worry - I have no intention of trapping and relocating the raccoon.  It 
could have babies.  And I have my hands full with the cats so i don't need more 
work!!!  l.o.l.  



 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 

Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies somewhere…and 
depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of wildlife (as in CT).
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just restarted 
the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to trap it - it 
may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but 
also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty
 



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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 
Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons can 
destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and 
relocate it?  
On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:


Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks
 



From:Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?
 
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-01 Thread Beth
I actually had a baby opossum that somehow got into my house. My cats just sat 
there and looked at it like it was an alien. The opossum paid no attention to 
the cats. My dog keeps them off the porch where some of the ferals feed. She 
hates opossums.

Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really terrified 
for the cat!

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cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
their head down until the drown them.
 Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low 
 perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
 raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside 
 and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one 
 place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues 
 end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and 
 sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that 
 deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.
   
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
  are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
  upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is 
  to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – 
  Mark Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-01 Thread Christy Buchin
I have a raccoon that thinks he's a cat! The mom cat comes to eat in the 
mornings  when I open my back patio door, the cat comes running  then the 
raccoon comes running! lol

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I actually had a baby opossum that somehow got into my house. My cats just 
 sat there and looked at it like it was an alien. The opossum paid no 
 attention to the cats. My dog keeps them off the porch where some of the 
 ferals feed. She hates opossums.
 
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
 with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really 
 terrified for the cat!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
 birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
 good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
 seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
 kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
 their head down until the drown them.
  Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low 
 perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
 raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside 
 and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one 
 place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues 
 end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and 
 sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that 
 deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
 upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is 
 to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – 
 Mark Twain
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-01 Thread MaiMaiPG
Possums don't bother me but the coons do.  I have trapped and  
relocated both (not during baby season) because they were raiding my  
mother's house, threatening her ferals and endangering themselves  
thanks to the problems they were causing neighbors.  They were  
relocated to a farm I own.  I brought the coons over immediately  
because they were vicious and very likely to hurt themselves trying to  
escape (can't blame them).  They get/carry a lot of diseases including  
canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid when they are  
not but they do carry rabies.  As noted, they can easily kill cats and  
dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs).  They are extremely messy  
and destructive and can get into about anything.  I know, and knew,  
from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over  
to hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate  
environment.


Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly  
calm...again from personal experience.  They are wonderful at insect  
control and I have watched them under the porch lights on the  
farm...inhaling the insects.


Just FYI:  The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with  
the possums but they are actually darlings in my world.

On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote:

Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating  
together with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I  
was really terrified for the cat!


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net

Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about  
feeding the birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all  
my cats have enough good sense to back off when they and the coons  
come up to eat.  Somehow they seem to know they could not win a  
fight with either one of them.  Coons can kill a full grown dog,  
especially if they get them in enough water to hold their head down  
until the drown them.

 Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:
I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the  
sides of so they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the  
sides. It's low perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too  
low and awkward for a raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep  
square plastic food bin inside and a piece of styrofoam on the  
floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums and  
cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up  
being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and  
sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if  
that deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.


Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which  
it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity  
toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity  
without looking further.” – Mark Twain



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2012-05-31 Thread dot winkler


Thanks for everyone's advice. I need to leave the dry food there at all times 
because  I feed the cats meat during the day and pick up the plates so as not 
to leave food around.  The dry food in the station is there so that the cats 
have something to munch on all day long as well as if they get hungry later or 
the next morning in case I can't make it there to feed them that day.  I have 
tried feeding the cats only the meat once a day and they are too hungry the 
next day.  They need some kind of staple food.  Dotty


 From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:38 PM
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RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe 
you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry 
overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y


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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM
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Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The
 thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of 
FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't 
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms 
were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said 
he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it 
and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV 
she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests 
or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me
 doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone 
who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  
I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's probably better than what I 
normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

2012-05-31 Thread dot winkler
Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?






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2012-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG
Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that  
coons can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two,  
can you trap it and relocate it?

On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I  
drive over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea  
if I could have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks


From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
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A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our  
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2012-05-31 Thread dot winkler
Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just restarted 
the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to trap it - it 
may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but 
also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons can 
destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and 
relocate it?  

On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks




 From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
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A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?






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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

2012-05-31 Thread dot winkler
Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole 
but that's as far as the raccoon could climb.  It had one of those metal sheets 
that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house 
construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small 
tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. 
 But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there.  Wondering about 
this.  Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and 
ice on top of that smaller house.  Dotty 



 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?


From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The
 thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of 
FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't 
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms 
were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said 
he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it 
and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV 
she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests 
or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG
Coons climb and jump.  Evidence:  Hunters tree coons; they eat bird  
eggs; they get on top of garbage cans and open them etc.  Google it.

On May 31, 2012, at 6:44 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I  
just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.   
I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel  
bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback  
that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty


From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware  
that coons can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe  
two, can you trap it and relocate it?

On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I  
drive over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good  
idea if I could have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks


From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our  
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-05-31 Thread GRAS
Please don't trap this time of year, they could still have babies
somewhere.and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of
wildlife (as in CT).

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

 

Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just
restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to
trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't
jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about
this.  Dotty

 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

 

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons
can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap
it and relocate it?  

On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:





Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive
over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could
have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks

 

  _  

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-05-31 Thread Martha Walton
My neighbor puts out moth balls to keep raccoons  possums away, but cats
probably don't like the smell, either.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies
 somewhere…and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of
 wildlife (as in CT).

 ** **

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 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *dot winkler
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM
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 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

 ** **

 Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just
 restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid
 to trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons
 can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can.
 Wondering about this.  Dotty

 ** **
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 *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

 ** **

 Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that
 coons can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can
 you trap it and relocate it?  

 On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:



 

 Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive
 over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could
 have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks

 ** **
 --

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

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 chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation?

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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

2012-05-31 Thread Lee Evans
Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they want 
to go.  I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, watching my 
cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the trees.  The brave 
cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman and Robin had 
landed.  Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came sauntering over 
the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and waddled over to the feed 
bowl.  They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, looked at me, sauntered back to 
the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, jumped onto the large tree branch 
and were gone into the night with a maximum of scrabbling again and a flutter 
of twigs and leaves.  So that should clear up any doubt about how raccoons get 
around. They even get on top of my roof from time to time and I know they can't 
fly.




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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 

Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole 
but that's as far as the raccoon could climb.  It had one of those metal sheets 
that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house 
construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small 
tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. 
 But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there.  Wondering about 
this.  Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and 
ice on top of that smaller house.  Dotty 



 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
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2012-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG

They don't and they contain a poison.
On May 31, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Martha Walton wrote:

My neighbor puts out moth balls to keep raccoons  possums away, but  
cats probably don't like the smell, either.


On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
Please don’t trap this time of year, they could still have babies  
somewhere…and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation  
of wildlife (as in CT).




From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of dot winkler

Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply



Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I  
just restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.   
I'm afraid to trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel  
bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but also had some feedback  
that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty




From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply



Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware  
that coons can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe  
two, can you trap it and relocate it?


On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:




Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I  
drive over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea  
if I could have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks




From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION



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2012-05-31 Thread Kathryn Hargreaves
The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree
there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just
 restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid
 to trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons
 can't jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can.
 Wondering about this.  Dotty

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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

 Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that
 coons can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can
 you trap it and relocate it?
 On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

 Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive
 over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could
 have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks

   --
 *From:* Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-05-31 Thread Maureen Olvey

Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top of 
my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night.  
When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon 
paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  I didn't see any 
major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it was 
really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away.  Cat paw prints are 
different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't beat the raccoons.  Or the 
opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too.  I leave extra food out when I 
have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the raccoons, 
opposums and cats.  I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not rich enough 
to feed all the hungry mouths in GA.  I'm wondering if raccoons are transient 
though.  Like I read on an opposum website that they don't plant roots.  They 
may stick around a few days but then they move on.  I have a feeling raccoons 
do that also.  I need to google it.  Right now at one of my feral locations 
there are no raccoons coming around at night.  But at times I know there are 
because all the food is gone and the water is dirty.  Plus I've seen them there 
when I go by at night.  But for the last couple of months when I show up the 
next day the cats have dry food left from the day before and the water is 
clean.  And at my house I also will sometimes see a mama and babies.  But a 
month or two later I'm only seeing one or two raccoons coming around, not the 
mama and four babies.  Where did they go? My friend that only has a couple cats 
at one feeding station uses one of those food containers with a timer on it.  
She feeds a certain amount in an open bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night 
one side of the container opens with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am 
the other side opens.  That way the cats have food during the night.  But the 
timer thing is small and wouldn't work with a big colony.  Plus I've had 
raccoons carry bowls off so I would think they would carry that off too.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
From: khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to 
live in it, so yes, they can climb.

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just restarted 
the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to trap it - it 
may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't jump or climb but 
also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about this.  Dotty


From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
   

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons can 
destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap it and 
relocate it?  
On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have noise 
at night to deter the critters!  Thanks

From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM

 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
   
 A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
maybe it would help with the cat situation?


 



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and 
raccoon proof.  Also no seeums proof.  It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a 
large roll).  I will try to dig out the info and send it to you.  I was 
planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get back 
late.  At least they would be able to get outside.  Harley especially is a real 
pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the 
others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out).  I don't want to 
leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would not 
get back in time to take them to the vet.  I know, crazy, but I don't want to 
loose any of them because of stupidity.


 dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
 keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
 cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every 
 night in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and 
 throw away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them 
 which they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't 
 get there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on 
 line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat 
 I don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this 
 has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  
 Dotty - Freehold, NJ




 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 

 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had
  thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
 didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's 
 going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or 
 treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
 not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
 been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


What the hell is wrong 

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-31 Thread MaiMaiPG
I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend  
time outside.  The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on  
the computer etc too.  The panels are less than half the cost of  
installed fencing.  I am considering chicken wire to screen in the  
porch.  Ceiling fans will take care of insects and cats will have a  
hard time wrecking the wire.  Just thoughts.
On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
 wrote:


I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is  
cat, dog and raccoon proof.  Also no seeums proof.  It cost $108.00  
per roll (which is a large roll).  I will try to dig out the info  
and send it to you.  I was planning on fencing in my deck for days  
when I have to leave early and get back late.  At least they would  
be able to get outside.  Harley especially is a real pain when he  
can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others  
crazy (this will make me give in and let him out).  I don't want to  
leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I  
would not get back in time to take them to the vet.  I know, crazy,  
but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity.



 dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or  
how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am  
feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area  
eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding  
station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the  
plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which  
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I  
can't get there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some  
constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them  
and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into  
anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has nothing to do with  
leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty -  
Freehold, NJ





From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?



Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I  
hate it when it does that.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain





From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400


Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me  
he is on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter  
of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I  
got pissed off again thinking about it.


I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I  
don't know.  He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I  
said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- 
mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry  
form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to send me away with  
nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing  
okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating  
and everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in  
any pain.  But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have  
wanted to do something about that anyway.  The thing is that like  
toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if  
it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't  
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the  
symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked  
him about it he said he had
thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought  
about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He  
figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend  
money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised  
he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless  
it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been just  
killing her.


I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm  
going to steal it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the  
animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me  
doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get  
someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath  
me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's  
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you 

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-31 Thread Lee Evans
I have an outside enclosure built around a fairly large wooden shed (the type 
you get at Home Depot or other undo-it-yourself places).  I also have the same 
wire fencing enclosing the porch of a small cottage type building (one large 
room, no plumbing) that the former owners used for crafts projects.  I use it 
for my FIV+ cat sanctuary.  They love going out on the porch and watching the 
enormous peacock who comes to eat cat food every evening on the deck of my 
mobile home.  When I get some money (never? ever?) I'm going to enclose the 
deck with the same gauge wire fencing. The peacock will have to eat near the 
garage when that happens.  I want my main community of cats who are inside the 
house right now to have access to the lovely scenery outside - birds, crickets 
as large as rats (gasp!), and all sorts of moths and other weird flying 
things.  It will also free up some space in my house for ME!  How selfish of 
me. I'll call the guy who built the
 enclosures for me and ask him what type of fencing he used, the gauge and what 
it is called (not chicken wire or chain link, I know that). I'll post here so 
those of you who want to make a safe outside enclosure for your fur kids will 
have some info on options. 




 From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend time 
outside.  The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on the computer 
etc too.  The panels are less than half the cost of installed fencing.  I am 
considering chicken wire to screen in the porch.  Ceiling fans will take care 
of insects and cats will have a hard time wrecking the wire.  Just 
thoughts.
On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
wrote:

 I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is cat, dog and 
 raccoon proof.  Also no seeums proof.  It cost $108.00 per roll (which is a 
 large roll).  I will try to dig out the info and send it to you.  I was 
 planning on fencing in my deck for days when I have to leave early and get 
 back late.  At least they would be able to get outside.  Harley especially is 
 a real pain when he can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving 
 the others crazy (this will make me give in and let him out).  I don't want 
 to leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I would 
 not get back in time to take them to the vet.  I know, crazy, but I don't 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
My raccoons will eat anything they can het hold of.
one year I goofed and used a fertilizer on my house plants that was made from 
crab meal.  They dug up every plant I had and 1 even sat on my begonias while 
it dug up a foot tall barrel cactur - 3 times.  Course, they never found the 
crabs.  They did this because the river was up and they could not get to the 
crawfish on the riverbank.  NEVER USE FISH TYPE FERTILIZER!


 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like 
 cats.  Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total 
 of 12 puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated 
 dog food that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the 
 cat food.  I don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, 
 especially the little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, 
 one of them would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of 
 my hands.  Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated 
 fruit and nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?




From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ




From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400


Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had
  thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
 didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's 
 going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or 
 treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
 not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
 been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
their head down until the drown them.
 Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low perfect 
 for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to 
 get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece 
 of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. 
 Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up 
 being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper 
 to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted 
 to mention it. Hope that helps.
 
 
 
 On May 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  They are and they are a royal pain.  
  On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote:
  
  I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals 
  in a different place  putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed 
  the ferals during the day  the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if 
  raccoons are nocturnal like opossums
   
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
   
  
  From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
  
  Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
  keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 
  outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry 
  food every night in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day 
  some meat and throw away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a 
  staple food for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give. 
   Also, in case I can't get there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have 
  seen some constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into 
  them and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into 
  anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has nothing to do with 
  leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - Freehold, NJ
  
  
  From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
  
  Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it 
  when it does that.
  
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
  profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
  Twain
  
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
  Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400
  
  Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is 
  on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I 
  was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off 
  again thinking about it.
  
  I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't 
  know.  He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I 
  wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this 
  other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I 
  didn't give him a chance to send me away with nothing.  Course, at the 
  time other than the fever she was doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on 
  her back legs she was still eating and everything although she had lost 
  some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But I think with a temperature 
  of 104 he would have wanted to do something about that anyway.  The thing 
  is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP 
  and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't 
  even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the 
  symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him 
  about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So 
  if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't 
  care.  He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why 
  spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised 
  he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's 
  to end

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
Why are they so hungry?  don't they get any mice to supplement the meat you 
give them?


 dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 

Thanks for everyone's advice. I need to leave the dry food there at all times 
because  I feed the cats meat during the day and pick up the plates so as not 
to leave food around.  The dry food in the station is there so that the cats 
have something to munch on all day long as well as if they get hungry later or 
the next morning in case I can't make it there to feed them that day.  I have 
tried feeding the cats only the meat once a day and they are too hungry the 
next day.  They need some kind of staple food.  Dotty


 From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe 
you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry 
overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y


From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The
 thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of 
FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't 
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms 
were the same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said 
he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it 
and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV 
she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests 
or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me
 doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone 
who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  
I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's probably better than what I 
normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
You have them figured out !  The old timers around here say a coon can get into 
or out of anything.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Well, I can give you first hand information on how raccoons get where they 
 want to go.  I was sitting on my deck out here in the middle of nowhere, 
 watching my cats eat their kibble when I heard scrabbling in one of the 
 trees.  The brave cats took off for under the house and I assumed that Batman 
 and Robin had landed.  Then a giant mama raccoon and four puff ball kits came 
 sauntering over the branches of the tree, plopped down on the deck and 
 waddled over to the feed bowl.  They cleaned it in a matter of minutes, 
 looked at me, sauntered back to the wooden railing on the deck, climbed up, 
 jumped onto the large tree branch and were gone into the night with a maximum 
 of scrabbling again and a flutter of twigs and leaves.  So that should clear 
 up any doubt about how raccoons get around. They even get on top of my roof 
 from time to time and I know they can't fly.




 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply
 

Hi Lee - The feeder I saw on line showed a dry feed station up high on a pole 
but that's as far as the raccoon could climb.  It had one of those metal sheets 
that they use to keep squirrels out of bird feeders, and then the actual house 
construction on top of that to house the dry cat food. Then they had a small 
tiny cat house nearby from which the cats would go atop and jump to the feeder. 
 But acc to info on line the raccoon can't jump up there.  Wondering about 
this.  Also wondering how the cats would jump in winter when there is snow and 
ice on top of that smaller house.  Dotty 



 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?


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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
MY EXPERIENCE - chicken wire doesn't stop them, unless you make it real looseso 
they can't get up so easy.  
Just a thought.  Anyone watch My Cat From Hell on animal planet?  Funny, it 
always seems to be the owner's fault the cats are misbehaving.  One owner only 
changed the litterbox ONCE EVERY 2 WEEKS!  i DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE HERE, 
BUT THAT WOULD DRIVE ME BONKERS!  Cats also like high places so they can survey 
the scenery.  I have lots of high perches, but got some wood to make some more 
so my little ones (6lbs) can walk around the room without being taunted by the 
larger ones.  Anyway, he said that if you put up a fence with several strands 
of wire at a 45 degree angle at thwe top, a cat will not try to climb because 
it thinks it can't.  It actually worked with 1 cat.  MAYBE it would work with 
the coons also.  Come to think of it, it might also keep them out of my vegies 
and flowers.  They have been making a shambles out of the garden, along with a 
family of ground hogs, deer, rabbits and a determined turrtle that munched his 
way thru a bed of portulaca.  Took 3 tries, but I finaly carried him about half 
a mile down the road to a tender patch of weeds and so far he has not come 
back./
 MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I just put up a lot of chain link panels so my guys could safely spend  
 time outside.  The area is big enough that I go out and read, work on  
 the computer etc too.  The panels are less than half the cost of  
 installed fencing.  I am considering chicken wire to screen in the  
 porch.  Ceiling fans will take care of insects and cats will have a  
 hard time wrecking the wire.  Just thoughts.
 On May 31, 2012, at 10:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net 
   wrote:
 
  I got some information on a screen that the manufacturer says is  
  cat, dog and raccoon proof.  Also no seeums proof.  It cost $108.00  
  per roll (which is a large roll).  I will try to dig out the info  
  and send it to you.  I was planning on fencing in my deck for days  
  when I have to leave early and get back late.  At least they would  
  be able to get outside.  Harley especially is a real pain when he  
  can't go outside, knocking things down, over and driving the others  
  crazy (this will make me give in and let him out).  I don't want to  
  leave them outside when I am gone because they might get hurt and I  
  would not get back in time to take them to the vet.  I know, crazy,  
  but I don't want to loose any of them because of stupidity.
 
 
   dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or  
  how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am  
  feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area  
  eating all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding  
  station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the  
  plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which  
  they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I  
  can't get there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some  
  constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them  
  and there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into  
  anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has nothing to do with  
  leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty -  
  Freehold, NJ
 
 
 
  
  From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 
 
 
  Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I  
  hate it when it does that.
 
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
  that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
  inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
  it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
  looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
  
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
  Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400
 
 
  Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me  
  he is on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter  
  of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I  
  got pissed off again thinking about it.
 
  I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I  
  don't know.  He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I  
  said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- 
  mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry  
  form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to send me away with  
  nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing  
  okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating  

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-05-31 Thread dlgegg
I was going to say that the coons will just carry off the feeder and break it 
open at their convenience.  I loose a lot of suet feeders that way.  My outside 
water bowls are always dirty in the AM.  One has to wash their food before 
eating it. I think they also take a bath before eating.


 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Yes, they can climb trees and recently I found out that they can get on top 
 of my car.  I had put some bags of cat food on the trunk of my car one night. 
  When I came back outside a couple hours later there were nice little raccoon 
 paw prints on my car and windshield and a tear in the bag.  I didn't see any 
 major scratches in the paint, like from them climbing, so I wondered if it 
 was really the cats but those dirty paw prints gave it away.  Cat paw prints 
 are different. My suggestion - give up.  You can't beat the raccoons.  Or the 
 opposums for that matter.  They climb trees too.  I leave extra food out when 
 I have donated food but if not it can get expensive trying to feed the 
 raccoons, opposums and cats.  I don't mind feeding the raccoons but I'm not 
 rich enough to feed all the hungry mouths in GA.  I'm wondering if raccoons 
 are transient though.  Like I read on an opposum website that they don't 
 plant roots.  They may stick around a few days but then they move on.  I have 
 a feeling raccoons do that also.  I need to google it.  Right now at one of 
 my feral locations there are no raccoons coming around at night.  But at 
 times I know there are because all the food is gone and the water is dirty.  
 Plus I've seen them there when I go by at night.  But for the last couple of 
 months when I show up the next day the cats have dry food left from the day 
 before and the water is clean.  And at my house I also will sometimes see a 
 mama and babies.  But a month or two later I'm only seeing one or two 
 raccoons coming around, not the mama and four babies.  Where did they go? My 
 friend that only has a couple cats at one feeding station uses one of those 
 food containers with a timer on it.  She feeds a certain amount in an open 
 bowl during the day, but at 9:00 at night one side of the container opens 
 with food and later in the night, like 2:00 am the other side opens.  That 
 way the cats have food during the night.  But the timer thing is small and 
 wouldn't work with a big colony.  Plus I've had raccoons carry bowls off so I 
 would think they would carry that off too.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:46:07 -0800
 From: khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply
 
 The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, 
 to live in it, so yes, they can climb.
 
 On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just 
 restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to 
 trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't 
 jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about 
 this.  Dotty
 
 
 From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

 
 Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons 
 can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap 
 it and relocate it?  
 On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:
 
 Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive over 
 there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could have 
 noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks
 
 From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

  A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop, 
 maybe it would help with the cat situation?
 
 
  
 
 
 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread dot winkler
Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ




 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 

 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had
 thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's 
going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or 
treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little 
helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do 
just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people 
ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is 
because I can, and that obligates me.  I make no money of course, but I spend 
plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my 
shitlist and I don't even know him.

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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread Beth
I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in a 
different place  putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the ferals 
during the day  the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons are 
nocturnal like opossums

 
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 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 

Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ




 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 

 
Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

 
Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that
 like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it 
was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that 
expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms were the same 
until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had thought 
about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and didn't 
suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's going to 
die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on 
her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's not 
euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have been 
just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus
 going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I 
do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your 
answer for those folks.  It's probably better than what I normally say to them, 
if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little 
helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do 
just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people 
ask me why I do what I do for animals

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread Lee Evans
The jump up feeder wouldn't work because raccoons can climb just like cats.  
Last year, when I was feeding a colony, two mama raccoons and a total of 12 
puff balls began dining at my cat feeding station.  I got some donated dog food 
that they ate, I guess as an appetizer before they cleaned out the cat food.  I 
don't think there's any way of stopping them.  They are so cute, especially the 
little puff ball kids.  Expensive too.  As they grew enormous, one of them 
would run over to me and try to grab the feeding container out of my hands.  
Scary!  I heard that raccoons like fruit.  Maybe get some donated fruit and 
nuts, anything that cats won't eat and offer it to the raccoon?




From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ




From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400


Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had
 thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's 
going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or 
treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread Natalie
Dotty,

If you would allow me to, I can put out an alert asking for an answer to this 
dilemma, listing you as the contact– there are quite a few NJ people on the 
list.

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

 

Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to keep 
raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor cats 
and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night in 
the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw away 
the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which they 
need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get there to 
feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line but the 
cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I don't think 
he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has nothing to 
do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - Freehold, 
NJ

 

 

  _  

From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

 

Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

  _  

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if 
he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He 
figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing 
any kind of tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest 
killing her.  BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at 
that point it would have been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

  _  

From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little 
helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do 
just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people 
ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is 
because I can, and that obligates me.  I make no money of course, but I spend 
plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread MaiMaiPG

They are and they are a royal pain.
On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote:

I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the  
ferals in a different place  putting dry food out for the Opossums.  
Also I feed the ferals during the day  the Opossums eat at night.  
I'm not sure if raccoons are nocturnal like opossums


Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org


From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or  
how to keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am  
feeding 7 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating  
all the dry food every night in the dry food feeding station.  I  
feed the cats by day some meat and throw away the plates when done.   
But the dry food is a staple food for them which they need to  
supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get there  
to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on  
line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one  
older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me  
know.  I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have  
to do with helping cats.  Dotty - Freehold, NJ



From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I  
hate it when it does that.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me  
he is on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter  
of fact I was just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I  
got pissed off again thinking about it.


I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I  
don't know.  He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I  
said I wanted him to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e- 
mail this other vet so I could get this experimental drug for dry  
form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to send me away with  
nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was doing  
okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating  
and everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in  
any pain.  But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have  
wanted to do something about that anyway.  The thing is that like  
toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if  
it was that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't  
even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the  
symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked  
him about it he said he had thought about it when he was looking at  
her.  So if he thought about it and didn't suggest a test for it  
then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's going to die sooner  
or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or treatments on  
her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's not  
euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would  
have been just killing her.


I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm  
going to steal it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the  
animals (I feed ferals so I run into different people that see me  
doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get  
someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad thing or beneath  
me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's  
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I  
mean!


Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to  
help a little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the  
knowledge and power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my  
own horn by any means, but when people ask me why I do what I do for  
animals, the only

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread Dana Giordano
I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
they can pass through. I lean boards up   Against the sides. It's low perfect 
for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a raccoon to get 
in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside and a piece of 
styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one place. Opossums 
and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues end up being ants 
and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and sandpaper to deter. I 
also have a rope light out there - dunno if that deters so wanted to mention 
it. Hope that helps.



On May 29, 2012, at 10:16 AM, MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com wrote:

 They are and they are a royal pain.  
 On May 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Beth wrote:
 
 I have the same problem with opossums. I have started feeding the ferals in 
 a different place  putting dry food out for the Opossums. Also I feed the 
 ferals during the day  the Opossums eat at night. I'm not sure if raccoons 
 are nocturnal like opossums
  
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
 keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 
 outdoor cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food 
 every night in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some 
 meat and throw away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food 
 for them which they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in 
 case I can't get there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some 
 constructions on line but the cats have to jump up to get into them and 
 there is one older cat I don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please 
 let me know.  I know this has nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have 
 to do with helping cats.  Dotty - Freehold, NJ
 
 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 
 Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it 
 when it does that.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400
 
 Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is 
 on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was 
 just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again 
 thinking about it.
 
 I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know. 
  He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him 
 to give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I 
 could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a 
 chance to send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the 
 fever she was doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was 
 still eating and everything although she had lost some weight.  So she 
 wasn't in any pain.  But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have 
 wanted to do something about that anyway.  The thing is that like 
 toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was 
 that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that 
 expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms were the 
 same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had 
 thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
 didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV 
 she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of 
 tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  
 BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point 
 it would have been just killing her.
 
 I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to 
 steal it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed 
 ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to 
 adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, 
 as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer 
 for those folks.  It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if 
 you know what I mean!
 
 Maureen
 
 “I

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
RACCONS eat everything.The Bronx zoo told someone to gie them lettuce. Maybe 
you can leave lettuce,apples.grapes,outside.for them.If not don't leave the dry 
overnite,and maybe they wont come back.Cathy Bronx. N Y


From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


Hi there - anyone out there - does anyone know how to construct or how to 
keep raccoon out of an outdoor cat colony dry feeder?  I am feeding 7 outdoor 
cats and now there is a raccoon in the area eating all the dry food every night 
in the dry food feeding station.  I feed the cats by day some meat and throw 
away the plates when done.  But the dry food is a staple food for them which 
they need to supplement the one feeding I give.  Also, in case I can't get 
there to feed them.  Any suggestions?  I have seen some constructions on line 
but the cats have to jump up to get into them and there is one older cat I 
don't think he can jump up into anything!  Please let me know.  I know this has 
nothing to do with leukemia, but it does have to do with helping cats.  Dotty - 
Freehold, NJ


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it when 
it does that.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400


Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is on 
my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was just 
telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again thinking 
about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.  
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to 
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I could 
get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a chance to 
send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the fever she was 
doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was still eating and 
everything although she had lost some weight.  So she wasn't in any pain.  But 
I think with a temperature of 104 he would have wanted to do something about 
that anyway.  The thing is that like toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as 
the dry form of FIP and if it was that it could be treated with some 
antibiotics that aren't even that expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't 
know that the symptoms were the same until a couple days later and when I asked 
him about it he said he had
 thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and 
didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV she's 
going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of tests or 
treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.  BTW - it's 
not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point it would have 
been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to steal 
it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed ferals so I 
run into different people that see me doing it plus going to adoptions, etc.) 
but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it, as though it's a bad 
thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer for those folks.  It's 
probably better than what I normally say to them, if you know what I mean!

Maureen

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a little 
helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and power to do 
just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means, but when people 
ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I have for them is 
because I can, and that obligates me.  I make no money of course, but I spend 
plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That vet would and is on my 
shitlist and I don't even know him.

Sent from

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-05-29 Thread Martha Walton
A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our
chicken-coop, maybe it would help with the cat situation?



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