Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
Hello Maryam and Carrie, I don't post much, but I feel I have to respond to your raw food comments. Without question, I believe a complete and balanced raw food diet is the most important thing you can give your cat. Some people just cannot be convinced of it, unfortunately. I have a 5 yr old felv+, Abbey. When I got her at 9 mos old, she was a complete mess, dying and starving, with severe diarrhea. Over the course of a month or 2, she got healthier, but still had diarrhea pretty bad. I had already started my other 3 cats on a raw diet and was also worried that the raw food may have consequences for her compromised immune system. At my wits end, I contacted Anne at catnutrition.org and she said she wouldn't hesitate to feed it to her. My regular vet also advised me to try it. I know there is a LOT of misinformation out there about raw diets. Anyway, I started her on the raw food, and ALL her problems disappeared...no more diarrhea whatsoever...amazing! I really don't think she'd be alive today without being on the raw diet. I could go on and on about the benefits of raw, but do yourself and your cat a favor and check out these websites: catnutrition.org and catinfo.org...they are awesome! They have recipes that I followed for years. I even started my own company selling this type of food. Good nutrition is the foundation of health...a good nutritionally complete raw diet is the absolute best thing you could possibly give your cat, next to love, of course! Also, no fish or grains of any kind are recommended for cats as will be explained on those 2 websites. Wishing your cats good health! Tracey On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
KG, very well said...I wholeheartedly agree! On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
Amen to that and great point about all the salmonella from commercial food! My house has been a great experiment in raw vs commercial. While feeding a raw food diet (same one as on catnutrition.org) my cats rarely had a hairball, never had crystals or any type of cystitis, had sleek coats and great muscle tone. And they were members of the clean plate club every single meal. While NOT feeding a raw diet, it's been hairballs the size of small mice, excessive shedding, dental disease, IBD, one poor guy with crystals, fussier eaters and too many cats with intestinal lymphoma. And more than one cat eating paper... Janine From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, March 16, 2013 11:59:30 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats KG, very well said...I wholeheartedly agree! On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:51 AM, KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
I'd sure LOVE to know how to prepare and feed a home made diet to my cats. The one time I purchased raw food (frozen, at the farm center) they turned up their noses at it. They are mega-fussy. I feel fortunate to have hit on a dry food they will (mostly) eat. Lucky Cat - who has crystals in his bladder sometimes - won't eat the CD canned food from the vet (which I mix with the canned food he loves). It's a worrisome chore, feeding these five cats. Sigh. Thanks for any advice. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of KG BarnCats Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Carrie Rosenblatt Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
Thanks for the info. Tracey... Fortunately I already have a heavy duty grinder. Lorrie On 11-19, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
LOL, 'lemon fresh' isn't always a great thing, eh Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food A funny story- my husband suddenly decided that he would feed a raw diet to the cats and invested a lot of money in meat and supplements according to a good recipe he found. Not one cat out of about 12 would touch it. Turns out he had purchased (a big!) bottle of lemon-flavored fish oil to put in it I don't think they liked the lemony freshness! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_2:092009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
A funny story- my husband suddenly decided that he would feed a raw diet to the cats and invested a lot of money in meat and supplements according to a good recipe he found. Not one cat out of about 12 would touch it. Turns out he had purchased (a big!) bottle of lemon-flavored fish oil to put in it I don't think they liked the lemony freshness! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Lorrie It took me a long time to switch my cat (Felv+) to raw. She refused any raw that I first offered her and rejected cat food that had any raw in it. I have two dogs that I have fed raw to since they were puppies. I discovered that when I was preparing their food my cat would jump up and begin eating whatever I was serving them, including organic buffalo, beef, lamb ...not just chicken and turkey. By letting her eat from their bowls she developed a taste for it and will now eat it from her own bowl. It is not always fool proof. For whatever reason she will sometimes reject raw so I use Petguard (Whole Foods) or Wellness (both wet) as back up. I am convinced that a species appropriate diet is really the way to go. It is not easy but when you realize what the by products used in commercial pet food are, it is very motivating. Jane On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
We have been feeding our kittens raw since bringing them to our household five months ago. We live in Southern California and are blessed to have a pet store very close that sells several different varieties of frozen raw diets. We have settled (for the time being!) on RadCat, which is available in chicken, turkey and lamb...all offered in various sizes so you don't have to invest a real bundle on something they might not like. It's very convenient and they love it. We can't help but feel that their lack of G/I problems and healthy appetites is in some portion due to the raw diet. It's also very high in moisture, which is helpful as well. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food Hi Lorrie It took me a long time to switch my cat (Felv+) to raw. She refused any raw that I first offered her and rejected cat food that had any raw in it. I have two dogs that I have fed raw to since they were puppies. I discovered that when I was preparing their food my cat would jump up and begin eating whatever I was serving them, including organic buffalo, beef, lamb ...not just chicken and turkey. By letting her eat from their bowls she developed a taste for it and will now eat it from her own bowl. It is not always fool proof. For whatever reason she will sometimes reject raw so I use Petguard (Whole Foods) or Wellness (both wet) as back up. I am convinced that a species appropriate diet is really the way to go. It is not easy but when you realize what the by products used in commercial pet food are, it is very motivating. Jane On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
I have to chime in on the raw food. I started cooking for Dixie after the cat/dog food scare a few years ago and no longer feed my kept cats any thing with grain. The ferals get Purina dry and canned (I don't know of any recalls involving their products). I discovered Primal Raw and served it to Dixie a lot and to Copper and Thomas several times a week. They get cooked chicken frequently, especially for snacks. Dixie did wonderfully on it and so are the the boys. It comes in one oz cubes that can be thawed and served with or without veggies added (Dixie liked spinach and/or broccoli chopped and added). I'm vegetarian and find this easier than grinding. There are other frozen brands available too. The Primal Raw is species specific. It is more expensive and, with two large male cats, I am rethinking the home-made issue. Dixie was Felv+. The boys aren't. On Nov 19, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, Yes, I think raw is the best also. If you go to those websites, they give you step-by-step instructions on how to make it. You have to be careful to follow the recommended proportions. It does take a little time to convince the cats that this is what they should be eating. One of mine, a 12 year old dry food 'addict' took almost 2 months to completely change to this diet. The others were much easier to convince. I just mixed it with a good canned food, progressively adding more raw. They will eventually eat it by itself and love it, you just have to be determined. Occasionally, I do give some canned food for variety, or when I run out of the raw. On those websites, they also explain how to grind it -- you will have to buy a grinder, and yes, you should use real bones. Its daunting at first, but gets easier everytime you make it. Tracey On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Raw Food
I think a raw food diet is best for cats, as it's certainly more natural, with none of the by-products and other awful stuff they add to cat food. However only one of my cats will eat it. The others just sniff it and walk away. I'd be interested in hearing what your diet consists of. Are there any particular proportions you use of the chicken, bones, organ meat, egg, vitamins etc, and can bone meal be used instead of bones? I don't know how I'd grind bones. Lorrie On 11-15, Tracey Shrout wrote: Anna, I will give you my personal opinion dealing with severe diahrrea in 2 of my kitties, one of which is +. After many trips to the vet and having many tests for parasites and doses of parasitic medicines, antibiotics, trying fortiflora (which does help some), nothing completely resolved their issues until I started feeding my cats what I feel is the best food possible -- a raw homemade diet of chicken and bones (and organ meat, egg, and vitamins, etc). Lots of people are totally against feeding raw, but I have 5 very healthy kitties who've been eating it for almost 2 years now with remarkable changes in all of them. No more diahrrea for my kitties, and most of the time is doesn't even have an odor (no kidding!) I will never go back to dry, and I use only a good quality grain-free can food if necessary. Cats with diahrrea are naturally going to be dehydrated, so you really need to be giving them water WITH their food -- a canned food. If the homemade diet is not an option for you though, just try a grain free diet. Wellness has a good canned one, and there are a few grain-free dry foods as well. Most cats merely 'tolerate' grains, and other cats cannot. It is not natural for them to eat grains. Oh, and LOTS of cats throw up. No, it is not good, but it is very common. My cats don't throw up anymore (other than hairballs) EVER! I spent tons of time researching making my own food because of so many health issiues w/my kitties -- now I don't have any issues at all. If you want to learn more, check out catnutrition.com and catinfo.com. If you follow the recipes to a T'', you will be amazed! Good luck, and I hope they get better! Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food diet
just found out my Annie has it in her bone marrow. asked vet if should switch food and he said that might cause more problems because it could cause stress if she does not like it. said just feed good, high quality food. dorlis Saehwa Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm new to the forum and here to help my father with his felv positive kitten. She is on EVO, but was wondering if a raw food diet would be better for her immunity? Any experience with an optimal diet or feedback would be great. Thanks, Saehwa Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
