Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
I've never seen Flagyl cause diarrhea, but gave it to an older siamese the other day (had been giving him Panacur) and darned if he didn't have awful diarrhea (on the floor). I was surprised. I've never seen Clinda cause diarrhea. Gloria On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:30 PM, MaryChristine wrote: there's a whole subset of vets and individuals who insist upon considering FIV the equivalent of HIV/AIDS (joel is of that school), and use not only human terminology (ARC, full-blown AIDS, etc) but treating FIV with AZT and the drug cocktails that are used in humans. luckily, i have never encountered any of these folks in real life, as everything i've read shows that while this might have made sense when the virus was first isolated in the late 80s, subsequent research has shown that the viruses are not that similar. (despite what we've just learned re: their both being lentiviruses!) so i'm with my friends here saying wait til your regular vet gets back! if this one is claiming your cat is in some full-blown-HUMAN-disease, i'd be terribly concerned, myself, especially if kitty is supposed to have FeLV and not FIV to start with folks, doesn't met often cause diarrhea, too, tho? i'm not accustomed to clindamycin doing that, myself, tho it could just be the disturbance of the intestinal flora. i go for yogurt or pumpkin before i add any other antibugs. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
Junior also took Clindamyacin it too is a nasty tastin drug. I used probiotics when he got diarrhea. Like you say I do not think the Clinda gave him the runs. Sally in VA -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
there's a whole subset of vets and individuals who insist upon considering FIV the equivalent of HIV/AIDS (joel is of that school), and use not only human terminology (ARC, full-blown AIDS, etc) but treating FIV with AZT and the drug cocktails that are used in humans. luckily, i have never encountered any of these folks in real life, as everything i've read shows that while this might have made sense when the virus was first isolated in the late 80s, subsequent research has shown that the viruses are not that similar. (despite what we've just learned re: their both being lentiviruses!) so i'm with my friends here saying wait til your regular vet gets back! if this one is claiming your cat is in some full-blown-HUMAN-disease, i'd be terribly concerned, myself, especially if kitty is supposed to have FeLV and not FIV to start with folks, doesn't met often cause diarrhea, too, tho? i'm not accustomed to clindamycin doing that, myself, tho it could just be the disturbance of the intestinal flora. i go for yogurt or pumpkin before i add any other antibugs. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
With the really nasty tasting meds, like metronidazole and zithromax, I dissolve the pill in a tiny bit of water and then add either sugar or pancake syrup. These meds have a nasty bitter taste and a significant aftertaste. Sweetener counters that taste some, enough to make it more palatable, enough so that the cat doesn't foam at the mouth so badly. --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > From: Gloria B. Lane > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:26 PM > I agree - sounds perhaps like this > vet doesn't know much about FIV and "full blown aids" > whatever that is. Perhaps she's "assuming" kitty has > some kind of lymphoma in the intestinal area. I'd wait > for the other vet to come back also. > > The metro (Flagyl) sounds good. I'm just > wondering why kitty is on Prednisone, especially if kitty > has no immune system. 1/4 Immodium sounds ok - I > usually use old-fashioned Kao Pectin, although have to get > the kind for animals at a farmers association store (NOT the > grocery store, it can't be used on cats). > > I usually use Panacur as an initial effort for kitty > diarrhea, assuming parasite, then if that doesn't work, I go > to something else. Sometime I cut the kitty diet back > to canned or boiled chicken and white rice, to placate the > digestive tract. > > Never tried putting sugar in Clinda, but I'm inspired to > try it sometime, thanks. > > Gloria > > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > > "full blown AIDS" Does Rebecca have FIV > (sometimes mistakenly referred to as kitty AIDS) or FeLV? > > > > Metronidazole is the "metro" you're referring > to. It's typically prescribed for giardia and other > intestinal parasites. > > > > Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off > on the stool sample till your regular vet gets back. > Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test only > because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be > detected on the test. A lot of vets treat > symptomatically. > > > > Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly > will settle an upset tummy (I assume this is based on > feedback from human patients) and may improve appetite. > > > > Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole? The > stuff is one of the worst tasting meds around. I > usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more > palatable. > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg > wrote: > > > >> From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM > >> Rebecca had a significant gum > >> infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks > ago and > >> the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day > for ten > >> days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and > then once a > >> day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin > about 7/8 days > >> ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has > gradually > >> developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, > to the > >> point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she > slept. I > >> felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see > about > >> stopping the Clinda or if there were other > options/causes I > >> should be concerned about. > >> > >> The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium > AD pill > >> twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a > day and to > >> switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a > week. The vet > >> said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She > said it > >> could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is > that it > >> may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro > should > >> help with that. She really stressed that Becca is > in full > >> blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and > is a > >> ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay > on top of > >> this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours > she wants > >> to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual > vet, who > >> is still on vacation until next week. Aside > from the > >> diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she > didn’t > >> finish all of her dinner last night which I can > understand. > >> > >> Should I be terribly concerned
Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
I agree - sounds perhaps like this vet doesn't know much about FIV and "full blown aids" whatever that is. Perhaps she's "assuming" kitty has some kind of lymphoma in the intestinal area. I'd wait for the other vet to come back also. The metro (Flagyl) sounds good. I'm just wondering why kitty is on Prednisone, especially if kitty has no immune system. 1/4 Immodium sounds ok - I usually use old-fashioned Kao Pectin, although have to get the kind for animals at a farmers association store (NOT the grocery store, it can't be used on cats). I usually use Panacur as an initial effort for kitty diarrhea, assuming parasite, then if that doesn't work, I go to something else. Sometime I cut the kitty diet back to canned or boiled chicken and white rice, to placate the digestive tract. Never tried putting sugar in Clinda, but I'm inspired to try it sometime, thanks. Gloria On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: "full blown AIDS" Does Rebecca have FIV (sometimes mistakenly referred to as kitty AIDS) or FeLV? Metronidazole is the "metro" you're referring to. It's typically prescribed for giardia and other intestinal parasites. Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off on the stool sample till your regular vet gets back. Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test only because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be detected on the test. A lot of vets treat symptomatically. Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly will settle an upset tummy (I assume this is based on feedback from human patients) and may improve appetite. Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole? The stuff is one of the worst tasting meds around. I usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more palatable. --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg wrote: From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM Rebecca had a significant gum infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks ago and the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day for ten days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and then once a day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin about 7/8 days ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has gradually developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, to the point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she slept. I felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see about stopping the Clinda or if there were other options/causes I should be concerned about. The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium AD pill twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a day and to switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a week. The vet said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She said it could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is that it may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro should help with that. She really stressed that Becca is in full blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and is a ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay on top of this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours she wants to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual vet, who is still on vacation until next week. Aside from the diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she didn’t finish all of her dinner last night which I can understand. Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I almost felt like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and brace me for this being the end. How likely is that? I’m heading on my lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go to the gym after work as usual but if I need to rush home after work instead I will. Iva ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
"full blown AIDS" Does Rebecca have FIV (sometimes mistakenly referred to as kitty AIDS) or FeLV? Metronidazole is the "metro" you're referring to. It's typically prescribed for giardia and other intestinal parasites. Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off on the stool sample till your regular vet gets back. Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test only because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be detected on the test. A lot of vets treat symptomatically. Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly will settle an upset tummy (I assume this is based on feedback from human patients) and may improve appetite. Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole? The stuff is one of the worst tasting meds around. I usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more palatable. --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg wrote: > From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg > Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM > Rebecca had a significant gum > infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks ago and > the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day for ten > days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and then once a > day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin about 7/8 days > ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has gradually > developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, to the > point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she slept. I > felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see about > stopping the Clinda or if there were other options/causes I > should be concerned about. > > The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium AD pill > twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a day and to > switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a week. The vet > said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She said it > could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is that it > may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro should > help with that. She really stressed that Becca is in full > blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and is a > ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay on top of > this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours she wants > to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual vet, who > is still on vacation until next week. Aside from the > diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she didn’t > finish all of her dinner last night which I can understand. > > Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I almost felt > like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and brace me for > this being the end. How likely is that? I’m heading on my > lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go to the gym > after work as usual but if I need to rush home after work > instead I will. > > Iva > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
