Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-13 Thread Ardy Robertson
So very sorry Patricia – your love kept Nori going probably longer than she 
would have had.

Ardy

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after 
work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).


I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. 
They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says 
it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on 
sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, 
with sun bath and love. 

 

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

 

Thank you very much.

 

 

Patrícia

 

Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

We’re all pulling for Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

 

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

 

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. 

 

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too. 

 

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.

 

 

 

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

Patricia

 

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

 

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

 

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own. 

 

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

 

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

 

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-11 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Dear Patricia,

 

I am so sorry about Nori dying. She was a very lucky girl to have had you to 
help her at the end of her life.

 

Sadly,

 

- Lorraine

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after 
work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).


I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. 
They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says 
it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on 
sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, 
with sun bath and love. 

 

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

 

Thank you very much.

 

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-11 Thread Pam Doore
You have my deepest sympathy Patricia!  I am so so sorry!

~~@~@~@~@~@

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*



On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira 
wrote:

> Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there
> after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.
>
> Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).
>
> I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.
>
> When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary
> arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.
>
> Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed
> away.
>
> As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians
> says it is fip.
>
> I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her
> home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more
> day at home, with sun bath and love.
>
> I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for
> Nori.
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
> Patrícia
>
> Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
>> We’re all pulling for Nori.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of *Ardy
>> Robertson
>> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping
>> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
>> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking
>> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Amani
>> Oakley
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
>> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
>> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
>> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
>> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
>> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
>> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
>> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of 
>> *Patricia
>> Oliveira
>> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
>> external heating too.
>>
>>
>>
>> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
>> rate several times a day.
>>
>> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
>> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
>> escreveu:
>>
>> Patricia
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
>> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
>> on the rosy gingiva.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
>> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
>> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
>> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
>> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
>> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>>
>>
>>
>> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is
&g

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-11 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there
after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure.

Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol).

I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell.

When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary
arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again.

Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed
away.

As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians
says it is fip.

I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her
home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more
day at home, with sun bath and love.

I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori.

Thank you very much.


Patrícia

Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> We’re all pulling for Nori.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of *Ardy
> Robertson
> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her
> in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone
> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking
> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Amani
> Oakley
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>
>
>
> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
> external heating too.
>
>
>
> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
> rate several times a day.
>
> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Patricia
>
>
>
> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> on the rosy gingiva.
>
>
>
> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>
>
>
> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely
> why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>
>
>
> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> platelets recovered.
>
>
>
> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>
>
>
> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is
> working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to
> recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologi

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-10 Thread Amani Oakley
We’re all pulling for Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.
Ardy


From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blo

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-10 Thread Ardy Robertson
Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in 
my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo 
works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good 
care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

 

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

 

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. 

 

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too. 

 

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.

 

 

 

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu:

Patricia

 

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

 

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

 

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own. 

 

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

 

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

 

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

 

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> 
>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Thank you, Sandra  :)

 

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day. 

 

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

 

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

 

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?  

 

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Awesome news!!!


> On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I have experience with subqs.
> 
> Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was 
> there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
> 
> Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as 
> if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
> malnutrition. 
> 
> Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 
> 
> Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she 
> has nothing more.
> 
> Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Patrícia
> 
> 
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> 
> > > 
> > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her 
> > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. 
> > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they 
> > are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it 
> > wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or 
> > colder.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats 
> > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some 
> > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal 
> > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> >      
> > 
> >     From: Felvtalk  > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. 
> > Receives external heating too. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and 
> > heart rate several times a day.
> > 
> > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even 
> > with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > Patricia
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure 
> > > it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. 
> > > Very good news on the rosy gingiva.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears 
> > > to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking 
> > > to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that 
> > > the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that 
> > > presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means 
> > > anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit 
> > > with her own cells).
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so 
> > > that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately 
> > > after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and 
> > > the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I 
> > > seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover 
> > > first, before the platelets recovered.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body 
> > > temperature up.
> > > 
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Pam Doore
That is great news about Nori!

~~@~@~@~@~@

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*



On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 2:10 PM Patricia Oliveira 
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I have experience with subqs.
>
> Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was
> there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.
>
> Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if
> she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even
> malnutrition.
>
> Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription.
>
> Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has
> nothing more.
>
> Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)
>
> Thank you!
>
> Patrícia
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
>> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
>> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
>> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
>> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
>> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
>> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
>> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
>> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
>> *Patricia
>> Oliveira
>> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>>
>>
>>
>> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
>> external heating too.
>>
>>
>>
>> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
>> rate several times a day.
>>
>> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
>> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
>> escreveu:
>>
>> Patricia
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
>> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
>> on the rosy gingiva.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
>> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
>> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
>> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
>> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
>> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>>
>>
>>
>> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is
>> likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
>> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
>> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
>> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
>> platelets recovered.
>>
>>
>>
>> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She
>> is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time
>> to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
>> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
>> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
>> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
>> stuff happening.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
>> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
>> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
>> stro

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Excellent news about Nori!

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 2:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi!

 

I have experience with subqs.

 

Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was there. 
She is more active and attentive to what happens.

 

Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if she 
had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even 
malnutrition. 

 

Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. 

 

Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has 
nothing more.

 

Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-09 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi!

I have experience with subqs.

Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was
there. She is more active and attentive to what happens.

Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as if
she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even
malnutrition.

Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription.

Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she has
nothing more.

Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :)

Thank you!

Patrícia


Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 23:23, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous
> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it
> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV
> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much
> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder.
>
>
>
> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats
> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some
> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal
> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.
>
>
>
> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.
>
>
>
> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
> external heating too.
>
>
>
> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
> rate several times a day.
>
> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Patricia
>
>
>
> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> on the rosy gingiva.
>
>
>
> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>
>
>
> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely
> why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>
>
>
> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> platelets recovered.
>
>
>
> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>
>
>
> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is
> working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to
> recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
> stuff happening.
>
>
>
> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
> strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit
> and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ;
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Thank you, Sandra  :)
>
>
>
> I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
> every day.
>
>
>
> She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
> low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
> lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Amani Oakley
One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, 
which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense 
to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, 
because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if 
the fluids are at room temperature or colder.

I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever 
possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I 
just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and 
this makes them feel better, eat more, etc.

Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow.

I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives 
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate 
several times a day.
I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids 
IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 
for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:

Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Patricia Oliveira
She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives
external heating too.

They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart
rate several times a day.

I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with
fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now.



Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Patricia
>
>
>
> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good
> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news
> on the rosy gingiva.
>
>
>
> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a
> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as
> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack
> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is
> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now
> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).
>
>
>
> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely
> why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the
> transfusion, she was active and eating on her own.
>
>
>
> Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on
> the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that
> with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the
> platelets recovered.
>
>
>
> I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.
>
>
>
> I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is
> working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to
> recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and
> medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
> could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a
> difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the
> stuff happening.
>
>
>
> I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with
> you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might
> consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most
> strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit
> and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
> *To:* Sandra Wachtstetter ;
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Thank you, Sandra  :)
>
>
>
> I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
> every day.
>
>
>
> She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
> low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
> lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.
>
>
>
> Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some
> hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a
> possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was
> really low.
>
>
>
> Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think
> red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to
> know?
>
>
>
> Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low
> platelets for the first time (92.000).
>
>
>
> Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter <
> swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
>
> Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a
> copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.
>
> Good luck - don't give up!!
>
> Sandt W
>
>
>
> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
> wrote:
>
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
> think that may be why she does not eat.
>
>
>
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says
> it can be from leukemia.
>
>
>
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
>
>
>
> i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
>
>
>
> thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Amani Oakley
Patricia

I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news 
that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the 
rosy gingiva.

Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit 
of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a 
result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of 
coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent 
with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the 
new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells).

I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why 
she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she 
was active and eating on her own.

Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the 
bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my 
Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets 
recovered.

I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up.

I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is 
working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to 
recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and 
medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could 
help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time 
seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening.

I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at 
home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider 
taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I 
was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel 
better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM
To: Sandra Wachtstetter ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every 
day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low 
temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower 
because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses 
raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia 
before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red 
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low platelets 
for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter 
mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:

Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may 
be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can 
be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < 
aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:

Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.



Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.



Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +



Hi, Amani



Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.



I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.



I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.



I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.



Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.



Thank you!







Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Thank you, Sandra  :)

I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there
every day.

She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a
low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is
lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat.

Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some
hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a
possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was
really low.

Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red
cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know?

Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are still high (> 26.000), low
platelets for the first time (92.000).

Nori had an echocardiogram today too and it is ok.

Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 11:40, Sandra Wachtstetter <
swacht1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a
> copy of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.
>
> Good luck - don't give up!!
>
> Sandt W
>
>
> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira 
> wrote:
>
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
> think that may be why she does not eat.
>
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says
> it can be from leukemia.
>
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
>
> i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
>
> thank you!
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> escreveu:
>
> Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
>
>
>
> Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
>
>
>
> I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone
> would prevent hemolysis.
>
>
>
> I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared
> right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma
> on last one.
>
>
>
> I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
> will be possible.
>
>
>
> Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
> heart.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cell

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Amani Oakley
I have never heard of this “bizarre core” reference to neutrophils. It may be a 
term you guys use in your country but I cannot even guess what the equivalent 
might be here.

It certainly sounds like Nori had a bit of a transfusion reaction this time. 
Hopefully, it will pass and she’ll feel better soon.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They started 
another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they think that may 
be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it can 
be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.

Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hem

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-08 Thread Sandra Wachtstetter
Hello Patricia, you may already be doing this - but if not, please take a copy 
of Amani's conversations for the vet to read - may help.

Good luck - don't give up!!

Sandt W


> On June 7, 2019 at 9:55 PM Patricia Oliveira  wrote:
> 
> Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They 
> started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they 
> think that may be why she does not eat.
> 
> Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says 
> it can be from leukemia.
> 
> The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(
> 
> i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.
> 
> thank you!
> 
> Patrícia
> 
> 
> 
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley < aoak...@oakleylegal.com 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> 
> > > 
> > Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with 
> > the meds.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk  > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
> > Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi, Amani
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of 
> > prednisolone would prevent hemolysis.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be 
> > cleared right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric 
> > plasma on last one.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know 
> > if it will be possible.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an 
> > enlarged heart. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
> > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu:
> > 
> > > > > 
> > > Hi Patricia
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver 
> > > enzymes, though I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which 
> > > would be what would cause the icteric observation of the plasma). 
> > > However, hang in there. If it is the Stanozolol, my experience is that 
> > > the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, shortly after it is 
> > > discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. For now, what 
> > > you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems more 
> > > likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
> > > going on.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, 
> > > there is a higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would 
> > > be another explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will 
> > > also show as an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be 
> > > caused by a reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the 
> > > indirect or the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break 
> > > down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver 
> > > function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and 
> > > Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the 
> > > direct amount from the total amount.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to 
> > > discontinue the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic 
> > > was that there was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat 
> > > would die, period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver 
> > > enzymes no

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Nori did not want to eat by herself so they are syringing food. They
started another medication for nausea, although she does not vomit, they
think that may be why she does not eat.

Blood work showed changes in neutrophils (bizarre core?), veternary says it
can be from leukemia.

The result of this transfusion was not as good as the other time :(

i´ll talk to veterinary tomorrow morning again.

thank you!

Patrícia



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 16:13, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.
>
>
>
> Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.
>
>
>
> I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone
> would prevent hemolysis.
>
>
>
> I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared
> right after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma
> on last one.
>
>
>
> I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
> will be possible.
>
>
>
> Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
> heart.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion –
> and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that
> the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only
> boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted
> in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
>
>
>
> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete b

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Hi, Patricia,

 

I’ve asked fiv-healthscience members using RetroMad1 for FeLV cats to contact 
me if it’s okay to pass their email addresses along to you. 

 

In the meantime, this is what fiv-healthscience website manager Joel Kehler has 
written about RetroMad1:

 

http://www.fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm#RetroMAD1%20(IV)

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

Hi, Lorraine

 

Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it, anyway.

 

I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you!

 

Patrícia 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Amani Oakley
Still sounds more like a transfusion reaction than anything with the meds.

Hang in there. See what the afternoon labs show.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 1:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would 
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right 
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on last 
one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it will 
be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged 
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Lorraine

Yes, she was and test was negative. But she is receiving doxy for it,
anyway.

I´d like the contacts about RetroMad, please! Thank you!

Patrícia

Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:28, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Patricia,
>
>
>
> Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal
> anemia and is treated (usually) with doxycycline.
>
>
>
>
> http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive
>
>
>
> Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having
> very good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for
> their FeLV cats.  If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let
> me know and I’ll pass them along.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
>
>
>
> i am worried again.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Amani

Nori is receiving doxy+prenisolone+stanazolol even in the hospital.

I know it can be a reaction but i thought higher dose of prednisolone would
prevent hemolysis.

I also know it's normal for part of the red blood cells to be cleared right
after the transfusion, but i don´t remember if it was icteric plasma on
last one.

I was hopefull she would come back home tomorrow, now i don´t know if it
will be possible.

Today she must have am echocardiogram too because x-ray showed an enlarged
heart.

Thank you!



Em sex, 7 de jun de 2019 às 14:18, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Hi Patricia
>
>
>
> The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though
> I cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would
> cause the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it
> is the Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back
> to normal, shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage
> to the liver. For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower
> heart rate) seems more likely to be related to the transfusion itself,
> rather than anything else going on.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a
> higher than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another
> explanation for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as
> an increase in bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a
> reaction to a blood transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or
> the unconjugated portion, it is related to red cell break down. The direct
> bilirubin (conjugated portion) is related to liver function. The lab
> results are usually broken down to Total bilirubin and Direct bilirubin.
> The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting the direct amount from the
> total amount.
>
>
>
> I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue
> the Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there
> was nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die,
> period. I continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized
> on their own, even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for
> close to two years.
>
>
>
> I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood
> transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion –
> and mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that
> the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only
> boost the red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted
> in keeping the viruses from properly reproducing.
>
>
>
> However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood
> work, she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.
>
>
>
> Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
> went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
> again.
>
>
>
> But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
> destroyed, isn't it?
>
>
>
> About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
> heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
> In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.
>
>
>
> i am worried again.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking h

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Patricia,

 

Has Nori been tested for mycoplasma? That can cause a sometimes fatal anemia 
and is treated (usually) with doxycycline.

 

http://veterinarymedicine.dvm360.com/help-clients-stay-optimistic-when-felv-results-are-positive

 

Also, some members of the FIV-Healthscience discussion group are having very 
good luck with the broad antiviral RetroMad1 (RM1), from Malaysia, for their 
FeLV cats.  If you want a few contacts to discuss this drug with, let me know 
and I’ll pass them along.

 

 

Best regards,

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it. 

 

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again. 

 

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

 

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

 

i am worried again.

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Patricia

The Stanozolol often has a side-effect of elevating liver enzymes, though I 
cannot remember if it also increased bilirubin (which would be what would cause 
the icteric observation of the plasma). However, hang in there. If it is the 
Stanozolol, my experience is that the liver enzymes drop right back to normal, 
shortly after it is discontinued, and there is no lasting damage to the liver. 
For now, what you have described (low temp and slightly lower heart rate) seems 
more likely to be related to the transfusion itself, rather than anything else 
going on.

It is also possible that with the additional transfusion, there is a higher 
than normal red cell destruction going on, which would be another explanation 
for the increased icterus in the blood (which will also show as an increase in 
bilirubin). Elevated bilirubin can often be caused by a reaction to a blood 
transfusion. If the high bilirubin is the indirect or the unconjugated portion, 
it is related to red cell break down. The direct bilirubin (conjugated portion) 
is related to liver function. The lab results are usually broken down to Total 
bilirubin and Direct bilirubin. The indirect portion is obtained by subtracting 
the direct amount from the total amount.

I myself went through the pressure of the vets wanting me to discontinue the 
Stanozolol because of abnormal liver enzymes. My logic was that there was 
nothing else. If I discontinued the Stanozolol, my cat would die, period. I 
continued and found that in the end, the liver enzymes normalized on their own, 
even though I had Zander on almost continuous Stanozolol for close to two years.

I know that you know that you are only temporarily helping Nori with blood 
transfusions, and the virus is still attacking cells, etc. In my opinion – and 
mine alone – my experience and research leads me to the conclusion that the 
combination of Doxycycline/Prednisone/Stanozolol worked to not only boost the 
red cell production, but I believe that the Doxycyline assisted in keeping the 
viruses from properly reproducing.

However, anticipate that when the vet gets back the second set of blood work, 
she may well try to tell you to discontinue the Stanozolol.

Amani



From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 7, 2019 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit went 
to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being destroyed, 
isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and heart 
rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work. In the 
morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be us

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-07 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Amani!

Nori got another transfusion last night, hematocrit was 11.9 before it.

Today morning, i talk to the hospital's veterinarian, she said hematocrit
went to 29 and Nori was fine, all normal parameters and eating by herself
again.

But plasma was intensely icteric. I think this means red cells being
destroyed, isn't it?

About one hour ago, veterinarian said Nori was with low temperature and
heart rate slightly lower than normal. She was waiting the new blood work.
In the morning, it was done only hematocrit, not complete blood work.

i am worried again.

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 23:46, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this
> juncture. I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See
> my earlier where I explain why.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Lorraine
>
>
>
> Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and
> add erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and
> not mycoplasma.
>
>
>
> Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.
>
>
>
> We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
> possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").
>
>
>
> :(
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
> johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:
>
> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://ca

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Amani Oakley
I would be leery of the going the route suggested by the vet at this juncture. 
I seriously seriously doubt if the erythropoietin will help. See my earlier 
where I explain why.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add 
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a possible cardiopathy 
("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston 
mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu:
Patricia,

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

- Lorraine

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty w

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Amani Oakley
I don’t know if erythropoietin can be used with Stanozolol, but I don’t see why 
not.

However, I am not sure that erythropoetin will help. Not to bore everyone silly 
again with this explanation, but erythropoietin stimulates the bone marrow to 
make more red cells. However, the bone marrow which is damaged by the FeLV 
virus, cannot respond to the signals being sent by the erythropoietin and is 
unable to make more red cells. The Stanozolol works on the bone marrow itself 
to produce new bone marrow cells, and thus, enable the new cells to produce red 
cells again. So no, the Stanozolol doesn’t increase erythropoietin. If it is 
going to work, it seems to work directly on the bone marrow, and especially on 
the progenitor cells in the bone marrow which produce the red cells.

Are you giving the stanozolol with the Doxycycline and prednisone?

If it were me, I would proceed with the blood transfusion, and double up the 
Stanozolol. I don’t know what level you’re giving. 1 mg twice daily or 2 mg 
twice daily. Try increasing the strength. Athletes take stanozolol at 1000X 
recommended dosing and rarely suffer any side effects.

The other thing to be aware of in interpreting your blood results is this. The 
life span of red cells is about 45 days if I remember correctly, so you will 
have a falling off of the haematocrit as the red cells from the last 
transfusion die off. Look to see what the reticulocyte count is, and what it is 
now compared to a previous blood result. However, even that result may also be 
affected by the transfusion, so I am not sure if you would see the true numbers 
or see the transfused cells instead. In other words, the dropping of the 
haematocrit may be more about the natural dying off of the last batch of red 
cells, rather than whether there is any effect yet of the meds. Nonetheless, to 
be on the safe side, if you are worried, go ahead with the transfusion.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, ad

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Lorraine

Veterinary wants to increase prednisolone to immunosuppressive dose and add
erythropoietin. She thinks it is immune-mediated anemia and not mycoplasma.

Nori is receiving  1,2 mg prednisolone, twice a day. She weighs only 1 kg.

We did x-ray today too. No visible tumor but we found a
possible cardiopathy ("Increased globular-looking heart silhouette").

:(



Em ter, 4 de jun de 2019 às 20:50, Lorraine Johnston <
johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu:

> Patricia,
>
>
>
> I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol
> is supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a
> boost of the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.
>
>
>
> - Lorraine
>
>
>
> "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the
> things no one can imagine."  - Alan Turing
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patricia Oliveira
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(
>
>
>
> She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.
>
>
>
> I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
> Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.
>
>
>
> Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
> stanozolol?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hema

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Lorraine Johnston
Patricia,

 

I would go with the transfusion and also start erythropoietin.  Stanozolol is 
supposed to stimulate erythropoietin production, but she might need a boost of 
the ready-made drug just to keep her alive until then.

 

- Lorraine

 

"Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no 
one can imagine."  - Alan Turing 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Patricia Oliveira
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 6:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi,

 

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

 

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her. 

 

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working. Or 
maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

 

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with 
stanozolol?

 

Thank you,

 

Patrícia

 

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

 

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

 

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi, Amani!

 

Thanky you very much for you email!

 

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel. 

 

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

 

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

 

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

 

This is Nori: https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html 
<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
 

 

 

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

 

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley  
escreveu:

Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

 

Hi from Brazil,

 

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.


She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.

She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure. 

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

 

Patrícia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-04 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi,

We did another blood work today, her hematocrit is 13% now :(

She is very sleepy but responsive when i talk to her.

I don´t know if i can wait some more days to see if stanozolol is working.
Or maybe it would be better get another transfusion right now.

Today, vet talk about erythropoietin. Do you know if it can be used with
stanozolol?

Thank you,

Patrícia

Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 14:44, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except
> for the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I
> gave with the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.
>
>
>
> You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef
> or chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a
> syringe. If my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the
> medication regime), then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into
> him. Baby food is easy to digest and has good things in it. I would target
> – say – five 3 cc syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number
> of syringe-fulls if possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby
> food on his own, and then I graduated to moist food, and really, anything
> he wanted until he put the weight back on.
>
>
>
> I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing
> my fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi, Amani!
>
>
>
> Thanky you very much for you email!
>
>
>
> Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
> dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.
>
>
>
> Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
> one.
>
>
>
> Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.
>
>
>
> Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
> doxy, for example?
>
>
>
> This is Nori:
> https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html
> <https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
>
>
> Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
> escreveu:
>
> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  *On Behalf Of *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
>
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
> or neurological. Already had a seizure.
>
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
>
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> prednisolone.
>
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.
>
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
>
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
> receiving?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-01 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Patricia – I gave all the pills together, morning and evening, except for 
the metoclopramide which was given ½ or so before meals. The rest I gave with 
the meals. I didn’t observe a problem with giving them together.

You might also try baby food to get Nori to eat. Get the pureed kind (beef or 
chicken with or without vegetables), so it can be sucked up into a syringe. If 
my Zander wasn’t eating (and he wasn’t at the start of the medication regime), 
then I would use a syringe to get the baby food into him. Baby food is easy to 
digest and has good things in it. I would target – say – five 3 cc 
syringe-fulls at each feeding. I would boost the number of syringe-fulls if 
possible. Eventually, Zander started eating the baby food on his own, and then 
I graduated to moist food, and really, anything he wanted until he put the 
weight back on.

I had a look at the picture you sent and Nori is adorable. I am crossing my 
fingers for you and for Nori. Keep us updated on her progress.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: June 1, 2019 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby dry 
food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to doxy, 
for example?

This is Nori: 
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html<https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html?fbclid=IwAR0cXMedtfi73B81pJI7QiYGwRTJf9VJp-JN7S_Tstb0ANeg0Hm4ObtFH_A>


Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu:
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-06-01 Thread Patricia Oliveira
Hi, Amani!

Thanky you very much for you email!

Nori was discharged from the hospital yesterday night. She is eating baby
dry food. I tried canned but she didn´t accept so weel.

Today i bought other kinds of canned, i'll try them hoping she likes some
one.

Compound pharmacy must delivery stanozolol today.

Are there any precautions regarding medication schedules? Close or far to
doxy, for example?

This is Nori:
https://catsnecropolis.blogspot.com/2019/06/nori-teve-alta.html



Thank you!

Patrícia

Em qui, 30 de mai de 2019 às 20:52, Amani Oakley 
escreveu:

> Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I
> hadn’t actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the
> stanozolol with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone
> itself has properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out,
> keep close tabs on the haematology results and see if you are getting a
> good response on just Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the
> prednisone. You may find that this combination assists with the FIP as
> well, as per my previous email.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk  * On Behalf Of 
> *Patricia
> Oliveira
> *Sent:* May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
>
>
>
> Hi from Brazil,
>
>
>
> I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.
>
>
> She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which
> raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
>
> She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness
> or neurological. Already had a seizure.
>
> She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +
>
> She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include
> prednisolone.
>
> However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I
> could use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received
> prednisolone, I am trying to avoid it.
>
> The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.
>
> Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already
> receiving?
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-05-30 Thread Amani Oakley
Sorry Patricia – after going on and on in my last email, I realized I hadn’t 
actually answered your question. I think you can probably use the stanozolol 
with the Doxycycline, without the prednisone, but prednisone itself has 
properties which help to boost red cell production. Try it out, keep close tabs 
on the haematology results and see if you are getting a good response on just 
Doxycycline and the Stanozolol. If not, add the prednisone. You may find that 
this combination assists with the FIP as well, as per my previous email.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

2019-05-30 Thread Amani Oakley
Hi Patricia

The stanozolol works very well when combined with Doxy and prednisolone – at 
least in my experience. I used 1 mg twice a day of stanozolol, but I started at 
2 mg a day with my very sick little boy, who also had a haematocrit of 5 
originally before getting a blood transfusion. He got a second blood 
transfusion when he hit a haematocrit of 10 again, and that’s when I started 
the combination of stanozolol, prednisone and Doxycycline. After he was out of 
the woods a bit, and I saw a response with the reticulocyte count (which was 
ZERO when I started the meds – ie – his bone marrow wasn’t producing ANY 
cells), then I reduced the stanozolol level to 1 mg twice a day (but I 
monitored his lab results and had to increase the stanozolol several times 
before I could safely reduce the level without seeing a drop in his 
haematocrit, retics, etc.).

I also had another cat come from a FIP positive feral colony, who was 
desperately desperately ill and didn’t think she would make it. When I got her, 
she had a very high fever, was runny and terribly congested, and had a 
percussive sound to her abdomen. I never tested her so I cannot confirm if she 
did have FIP, but I was told by the lady from whom I had gotten her, that 
several of the other cats from the FIP positive feral colony, died the same 
weekend I got her and tested FIP positive. I used the same stanozolol + 
prednisone + Doxy combination, and she pulled through very well.

I am currently using stanozolol and prednisone on a cat I first got as a 
kitten, and he was exhibiting neurological symptoms. We have had several 
problems over the years with him and I am convinced he has some sort of spinal 
tumour. He gets to where his back end is very swiveling (swinging), and he 
cannot stand or walk at all properly. He is very weak in his hindquarters. I 
have taken him in for several MRI’s and the problem is that I treat him before 
the MRI’s (because he can barely stand and clearly feels terrible). By the time 
I have had him in for the test (literally in two days sometimes) the symptoms 
will have entirely disappeared with the stanozolol and the prednisone. It 
happened again just last week. He was clearly worsening significantly, and 
could barely walk, and looked terrible. I have someone staying at the house 
because I have to be away for business right now. I came home on the weekend to 
find him in a terrible state, even though the cat sitter was giving him 10 mg 
prednisone daily (2 x 5 mg a day). I added stanozolol on the Friday. On 
Saturday, I sat for hours to try and capture the weakness on my iPhone so I 
could show the vets, but it was already so significantly improved that I really 
wasn’t able to demonstrate it on the videos I took.

I find the Stanozolol is extremely helpful with a wide variety of conditions 
with cats. One of the senior vet assistants who has been at our clinic for more 
than 30 years, recalls – as I do – that vets used to prescribe Stanozolol very 
commonly to cats for a whole variety of conditions, until the stupid Ben 
Johnson doping scandal at the Olympics in the late 1980’s. Because of the 
doping scandals, and an overly sensitive concern about liver damage (which is 
not established by the scientific literature – the condition is usually 
temporary only), then vets stopped using it or weren’t able to get it. It is a 
true tragedy for our cats.

I would be very interested to hear back from you, if you do decide to try the 
stanozolol, to let us all know what response you got, if any.

Amani

From: Felvtalk  On Behalf Of Patricia 
Oliveira
Sent: May 30, 2019 12:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +

Hi from Brazil,

I rescued a very weak, dehydrated, extremely thin kitten.

She's hospitalized now. Her hematocrit was 8, had blood transfusion which 
raised hematocrit to 22, now it is 19. Low reticulocyte count.
She has difficulty walking, which we can not define if it is just weakness or 
neurological. Already had a seizure.

She also have changes in her kidneys. It has been tested and is felv +

She is receiving doxy and the hospital vets would like to include prednisolone.

However, as it is not possible yet to rule out PIF, and the medication I could 
use in the case of PIF does not work if the cat received prednisolone, I am 
trying to avoid it.

The veterinarian agreed to prescribe stanozolol.

Can it be used without prednisolone, only with doxy she is already receiving?

Thank you!

Patrícia
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