Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-11 Thread Amanda K. Payne
Beth,

Everyone I've spoke with tests with the exception of some of the rescues I
work with. I'm going to approach the folks in charge about testing.  One of
them recently told me that scientists not longer believed FeLV was
transmissible through saliva (sharing water bowls, ect) so foster cats have
a hard time passing it.  I read a lot about FeLV and haven't read that
ANYWHERE.  Ugh, this whole thing makes me feel terrible.  I don't want to
potentially infect other cats but I also don't want to scare away potential
fosters.

-Amanda


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Our shelter tests on intake on the snap test. Positives are immediately
 re-tested to make sure there was no error. If retest is positive we do an
 IFA. If the IFA is negative we wait  retest on the snap
 In an ideal world all rescues that tested negative would be quarantined
 for 3 months  rested to make sure they really are negative, since the
 virus can take 3 months to show up on the snap test. But that just is not
 feasible.

 I don't have any suggestions on your second question.

 Beth


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  *From:* Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:57 PM

 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

 Hi Everyone!

 I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

 First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing
 protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles.  I
 recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room
 until I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious
 and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room
 away from my cats.  One of the rescues found another foster for the litter
 but the new foster has a cat.  I got to talking to her about FeLV and now
 she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree
 with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary.  Am I just
 paranoid?  I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being
 introduced into a new household.  However, I feel like an ass for talking
 too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also
 know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even
 test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about
 testing vs. not testing?

 Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has
 terrible gas.  It clears the room.  She's eating, drinking and using the
 litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that
 she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want
 to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger.  Anyone have FeLV kitties
 with gas?  Or a gassy cat for that matter?

 Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

 Best,
 -Amanda

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-11 Thread Amanda K. Payne
Margo,

I like to think of the soapbox as more of a passion and I like it!  It
means you will have researched the subject a lot and are able to offer
educated opinions.

Blue Buffalo is new to our home. It was suggested by a friend who also has
a finicky eater.  I didn't realize it was so carb heavy!  I'll be the first
to admit that when Polli stops eating, I try anything without regards to
how healthy the food is (or isn't).  I remember seeing a list of healthy
foods that was circulating this email group but cannot find it in my inbox.
Do you have any suggestions for food that may be better for her digestive
system?

As far as wet food goes, she doesn't seem to be crazy about it like she
used to.  I've offered her Tiki Cat, Fancy Feast, Friskies, Hill's a/d and
Ziwi Naturals.  She seems to only like the gravy from the food.  Again, I
am open to suggestions.  We're more than willing to try new items for our
Polli cat!

Thank you for your help!

Best,
-Amanda


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:


  Hi Amanda



   Has Polli eaten the Blue Buffalo before without issue?
 I'm focusing on that, as it seems pretty high carb, with many different
 carb sources.



 Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole
 Ground Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Salmon Meal,
 Menhaden Fish Meal (source of DHA-Docosahexaenoic Acid), Dried Egg, Natural
 Chicken Flavor, Whole Potatoes, Peas, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes,
 Cranberries, Blueberries, Flaxseed(source of Omega 3 and 6 Fatty Acids),
 Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Dried Kelp, Taurine, Yucca
 Schidigera Extract,



   Three grains in the first 5 (really 4, they're splitting
 with the chicken). 7 fruits/veggies. And flaxseed. Any of those can cause
 digestive issues leading to gas. They usually don't, most cats can live
 with them, but maybe Polli just isn't up to it.



   You say she's eating some Tiki? Are you offering any
 other canned? Tiki seems to be a good food, but my cats don't care for it.
 In my way on thinking, even less expensive canned (but still without
 grains, fruits or veggies) is still a better choice than dry with so many
 grains, but it sure is tough to switch a picky cat. Are you in a position
 where you could offer a different dry food, a little next to her Blue
 Buffalo? Perhaps a different canned?



Obviously another soap-box for me g



 Margo



 -Original Message-
 From: Amanda K. Payne **
 Sent: Jun 9, 2013 9:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

 Margo,

 I agree with you.  I think every rescue and shelter should test prior
 adopting a cat out or placing it in a foster home where it will mingle with
 resident cats.  Unfortunately, Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS) and many
 other cat rescues feel it's unnecessary.  I'm going to try to find
 veterinarians or RVTs in the area who are willing to donate or discount
 their services so that I can talk some of these rescues into testing.

 As for Polli, she's a picky eater these days.  She drinks a lot of fresh
 water and is eating Blue Buffalo Healthy Living dry food.  Occasionally,
 she'll actually eat her Tiki Cat instead of just liking the gravy off.
  She's also obsessed with Temptations Treats--not the healthiest snacks but
 she loves them and we indulge it.  I give her Pet-Tinic twice a day to help
 with her anemia and Viralys in the morning.

 Thanks, Margo!

 -Amanda




 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:


  Oh Dear !



   I forgot about Polli. I apologize for that, I meant to
 include it.



   What Is Polli eating? Drinking? Meds, supplements?



 ^..^



 -Original Message-
 From: Amanda K. Payne **
 Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

 Hi Everyone!

 I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

 First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your
 testing protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los
 Angeles.  I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my
 guest room until I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly
 cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the
 spare room away from my cats.  One of the rescues found another foster for
 the litter but the new foster has a cat.  I got to talking to her about
 FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I
 TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary.
  Am I just paranoid?  I think all cats and kittens should be tested before
 being introduced into a new household.  However, I feel like an ass for
 talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-11 Thread Lance
If you saw that list recently, maybe it was this?

http://www.naturalcatcareblog.com/2010/12/the-7-best-natural-commercial-cat-foods-so-far/

On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:30 AM, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:

 I remember seeing a list of healthy foods that was circulating this email 
 group but cannot find it in my inbox. Do you have any suggestions for food 
 that may be better for her digestive system?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-11 Thread Margo



Hi Amanda,

 Ask the person who told you this to document it. And find out how s/he thinks it _IS_ transmitted?

 I don't think it's transmitted by casualminimalcontact, but I USED to believe that adult cats were pretty much immune. Now I am convinced it is transmitted by close contact, shared food and water, and mutual grooming. And although I don't know who gave it, and who got it, I have two positive cats, who are great buddies, and both tested negative within the last 18 months.

 Do most foster homes in your area mix fosters with their personal companions? I ask because I never did, and never considered it. They were always kept seperately, and I asked my foster homes to do the same. Maybe we were unusual?

All the best,

Margo


-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" <amandak.pa...@gmail.com>Sent: Jun 11, 2013 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 


Beth,Everyone I've spoke with tests with the exception of some of the rescues I work with. I'm going to approach the folks in charge about testing. One of them recently told me that scientists not longer believed FeLV was transmissible through saliva (sharing water bowls, ect) so foster cats have a hard time passing it. I read a lot about FeLV and haven't read that ANYWHERE. Ugh, this whole thing makes me feel terrible. I don't want to potentially infect other cats but I also don't want to scare away potential fosters.-Amanda

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:


Our shelter tests on intake on the snap test. Positives are immediately re-tested to make sure there was no error. If retest is positive we do an IFA. If the IFA is negative we wait  retest on the snapIn an ideal world all rescues that tested negative would be quarantined for 3 months  rested to make sure they really are negative, since the virus can take 3 months to show up on the snap test. But that just is not feasible.I don't have any suggestions on your second question.Beth


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From: Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence




Hi Everyone!

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing protocol? I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles. I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until I can find a foster. I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my cats. One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new foster has a cat. I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary. Am I just paranoid? I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible gas. It clears the room. She's eating, drinking and using the litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger. Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas? Or a gassy cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-11 Thread Margo






Hi Amanda, 

 Oh, I get it. Whatever works when it comes to a cat that won't eat.I simply thought that that much non-meat stuff might be the cause of the gas.It's very tough to find a cat food that's really appropriate for cats, I never have :). But I do havve some dry food addicts, who have never copletely transitioned to canned or raw. 

I use Evo;

http://www.petfooddirect.com/Product/6668/EVO-Turkey-and-Chicken-Formula-Dry-Cat-Food

 and Taste of the Wild;

http://www.petfooddirect.com/Product/8784/Taste-of-the-Wild-Rocky-Mountain-Feline-Formula-Roasted-Venison-And-Smoked-Salmon-Dry-Cat-Food

 They both have stuff I'd rather do without, but there's no grain.

 Unfortunately, that led me to what seems to be a really good website about Polli's issue. 

http://www.hilltopanimalhospital.com/flatulence.htm

Seems that the fiber content of the foods I listed may be a problem, as well. 

 I looked up anti-gas for cats. I've used simethicone for my dogs, but never needed it for cats. I can only find anecdotal use, my Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook doesn't list it.

 Canned food can be tough, too. My thought is that any canned is better than any dry, but Polli must eat. For canned I use everything from WalMart Special Kitty (yup, that one) to Hounds and Gatos. I use FF classics, and certain Friskies/9 Lives pates, (those that have ingredient lists I can stomach) Evo 95%, BG, and Triumph Turkey..

 I do hope you can find a way to limit the problem :)

All the best,

Margo

.
.:-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" <amandak.pa...@gmail.com>Sent: Jun 11, 2013 8:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 


Margo,
I like to think of the soapbox as more of a passion and I like it! It means you will have researched the subject a lot and are able to offer educated opinions.
Blue Buffalo is new to our home. It was suggested by a friend who also has a finicky eater. I didn't realize it was so carb heavy! I'll be the first to admit that when Polli stops eating, I try anything without regards to how healthy the food is (or isn't). I remember seeing a list of healthy foods that was circulating this email group but cannot find it in my inbox. Do you have any suggestions for food that may be better for her digestive system?
As far as wet food goes, she doesn't seem to be crazy about it like she used to. I've offered her Tiki Cat, Fancy Feast, Friskies, Hill's a/d and Ziwi Naturals. She seems to only like the gravy from the food. Again, I am open to suggestions. We're more than willing to try new items for our Polli cat!
Thank you for your help!
Best,
-Amanda

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:



Hi Amanda

 Has Polli eaten the Blue Buffalo before without issue? I'm focusing on that, as it seemspretty high carb, with many different carbsources. 

"Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fish Meal (source of DHA-Docosahexaenoic Acid), Dried Egg, Natural Chicken Flavor, Whole Potatoes, Peas, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Cranberries, Blueberries, Flaxseed(source of Omega 3 and 6 Fatty Acids), Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Dried Kelp, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract,"

 Three grains in the first 5 (really 4, they're splitting with the chicken).7 fruits/veggies. And flaxseed. Any of those can cause digestive issues leading to gas. They usually don't, most cats can live with them, but maybe Polli just isn't up to it.

 You say she's eating some Tiki? Are you offering any other canned? Tiki seems to be a good food, but my cats don't care for it. Inmy way on thinking,even less expensive canned (but still without grains, fruits or veggies) is still a better choice than dry with so many grains, but it sure is tough to switch a picky cat.Are you in a position where you could offer adifferentdry food, a littlenext to her Blue Buffalo?Perhaps a different canned?

Obviously another soap-box for me g

Margo


-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" 

Sent: Jun 9, 2013 9:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 



Margo, 

I agree with you. I think every rescue and shelter should test prior adopting a cat out or placing it in a foster home where it will mingle with resident cats. Unfortunately, Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS) and many other cat rescues feel it's unnecessary. I'm going to try to find veterinarians or RVTs in the area who are willing to donate or discount their services so that I can talk some of these rescues into testing. 

As for Polli, she's a picky eater these days. She drinks a lot of fresh water and is eating Blue Buffalo Healthy Living dry food. Occasionally, she'll actually eat her Tiki Cat instead of just liking the gravy off. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-11 Thread dlgegg
You say that Polli just likes the gravy.  That is my pride.  I mix hot water 
into the food hoping to get more nutrition into them because they only drink 
the broth and leave the meat until later, when they decide they are not going 
to push me into giving them something else.

 Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Margo,
 
 I like to think of the soapbox as more of a passion and I like it!  It
 means you will have researched the subject a lot and are able to offer
 educated opinions.
 
 Blue Buffalo is new to our home. It was suggested by a friend who also has
 a finicky eater.  I didn't realize it was so carb heavy!  I'll be the first
 to admit that when Polli stops eating, I try anything without regards to
 how healthy the food is (or isn't).  I remember seeing a list of healthy
 foods that was circulating this email group but cannot find it in my inbox.
 Do you have any suggestions for food that may be better for her digestive
 system?
 
 As far as wet food goes, she doesn't seem to be crazy about it like she
 used to.  I've offered her Tiki Cat, Fancy Feast, Friskies, Hill's a/d and
 Ziwi Naturals.  She seems to only like the gravy from the food.  Again, I
 am open to suggestions.  We're more than willing to try new items for our
 Polli cat!
 
 Thank you for your help!
 
 Best,
 -Amanda
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:
 
 
   Hi Amanda
 
 
 
Has Polli eaten the Blue Buffalo before without issue?
  I'm focusing on that, as it seems pretty high carb, with many different
  carb sources.
 
 
 
  Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole
  Ground Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Salmon Meal,
  Menhaden Fish Meal (source of DHA-Docosahexaenoic Acid), Dried Egg, Natural
  Chicken Flavor, Whole Potatoes, Peas, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes,
  Cranberries, Blueberries, Flaxseed(source of Omega 3 and 6 Fatty Acids),
  Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Dried Kelp, Taurine, Yucca
  Schidigera Extract,
 
 
 
Three grains in the first 5 (really 4, they're splitting
  with the chicken). 7 fruits/veggies. And flaxseed. Any of those can cause
  digestive issues leading to gas. They usually don't, most cats can live
  with them, but maybe Polli just isn't up to it.
 
 
 
You say she's eating some Tiki? Are you offering any
  other canned? Tiki seems to be a good food, but my cats don't care for it.
  In my way on thinking, even less expensive canned (but still without
  grains, fruits or veggies) is still a better choice than dry with so many
  grains, but it sure is tough to switch a picky cat. Are you in a position
  where you could offer a different dry food, a little next to her Blue
  Buffalo? Perhaps a different canned?
 
 
 
 Obviously another soap-box for me g
 
 
 
  Margo
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Amanda K. Payne **
  Sent: Jun 9, 2013 9:10 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence
 
  Margo,
 
  I agree with you.  I think every rescue and shelter should test prior
  adopting a cat out or placing it in a foster home where it will mingle with
  resident cats.  Unfortunately, Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS) and many
  other cat rescues feel it's unnecessary.  I'm going to try to find
  veterinarians or RVTs in the area who are willing to donate or discount
  their services so that I can talk some of these rescues into testing.
 
  As for Polli, she's a picky eater these days.  She drinks a lot of fresh
  water and is eating Blue Buffalo Healthy Living dry food.  Occasionally,
  she'll actually eat her Tiki Cat instead of just liking the gravy off.
   She's also obsessed with Temptations Treats--not the healthiest snacks but
  she loves them and we indulge it.  I give her Pet-Tinic twice a day to help
  with her anemia and Viralys in the morning.
 
  Thanks, Margo!
 
  -Amanda
 
 
 
 
  On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:
 
 
   Oh Dear !
 
 
 
I forgot about Polli. I apologize for that, I meant to
  include it.
 
 
 
What Is Polli eating? Drinking? Meds, supplements?
 
 
 
  ^..^
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Amanda K. Payne **
  Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence
 
  Hi Everyone!
 
  I have two questions today regarding FeLV.
 
  First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your
  testing protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los
  Angeles.  I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my
  guest room until I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly
  cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the
  spare room away from my cats.  One

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-10 Thread Margo



Hi Amanda

 Has Polli eaten the Blue Buffalo before without issue? I'm focusing on that, as it seemspretty high carb, with many different carbsources. 

"Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Whole Ground Brown Rice, Whole Ground Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fish Meal (source of DHA-Docosahexaenoic Acid), Dried Egg, Natural Chicken Flavor, Whole Potatoes, Peas, Whole Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Cranberries, Blueberries, Flaxseed(source of Omega 3 and 6 Fatty Acids), Barley Grass, Dried Parsley, Alfalfa Meal, Dried Kelp, Taurine, Yucca Schidigera Extract,"

 Three grains in the first 5 (really 4, they're splitting with the chicken).7 fruits/veggies. And flaxseed. Any of those can cause digestive issues leading to gas. They usually don't, most cats can live with them, but maybe Polli just isn't up to it.

 You say she's eating some Tiki? Are you offering any other canned? Tiki seems to be a good food, but my cats don't care for it. Inmy way on thinking,even less expensive canned (but still without grains, fruits or veggies) is still a better choice than dry with so many grains, but it sure is tough to switch a picky cat.Are you in a position where you could offer adifferentdry food, a littlenext to her Blue Buffalo?Perhaps a different canned?

Obviously another soap-box for me g

Margo

-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" <amandak.pa...@gmail.com>Sent: Jun 9, 2013 9:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 
Margo,

I agree with you. I think every rescue and shelter should test prior adopting a cat out or placing it in a foster home where it will mingle with resident cats. Unfortunately, Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS) and many other cat rescues feel it's unnecessary. I'm going to try to find veterinarians or RVTs in the area who are willing to donate or discount their services so that I can talk some of these rescues into testing. 

As for Polli, she's a picky eater these days. She drinks a lot of fresh water and is eating Blue Buffalo Healthy Living dry food. Occasionally, she'll actually eat her Tiki Cat instead of just liking the gravy off. She's also obsessed with Temptations Treats--not the healthiest snacks but she loves them and we indulge it. I give her Pet-Tinic twice a day to help with her anemia and Viralys in the morning. 

Thanks, Margo!

-Amanda



On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:



Oh Dear !

 I forgot about Polli. I apologize for that, I meant to include it.

What Is Polli eating? Drinking? Meds, supplements?

^..^


-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 
Hi Everyone! 

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing protocol? I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles. I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until I can find a foster. I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my cats. One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new foster has a cat. I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary. Am I just paranoid? I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible gas. It clears the room. She's eating, drinking and using the litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger. Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas? Or a gassy cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-10 Thread Beth
Our shelter tests on intake on the snap test. Positives are immediately 
re-tested to make sure there was no error. If retest is positive we do an IFA. 
If the IFA is negative we wait  retest on the snap
In an ideal world all rescues that tested negative would be quarantined for 3 
months  rested to make sure they really are negative, since the virus can take 
3 months to show up on the snap test. But that just is not feasible.

I don't have any suggestions on your second question.

Beth


 
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 From: Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence
 


Hi Everyone!

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing 
protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles.  I 
recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until 
I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't 
want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my 
cats.  One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new 
foster has a cat.  I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take 
the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the 
rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary.  Am I just paranoid?  I think all 
cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. 
 However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked 
their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical 
thing to do--LAAS doesn't even
 test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about 
testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible 
gas.  It clears the room.  She's eating, drinking and using the litter box 
fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing 
signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's 
not a sign of something bigger.  Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas?  Or a gassy 
cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-09 Thread Margo



Hi Amanda,

 I've been involve in rescue for more than 30 years. I've always tested, and always will, but I no longer trust the negatives to stay negative. I think all it's really demonstrating is that the cat/kitten does not have an active infection, and is therefore not contagious _at that time_. With kittens who have been isolated by litter,I'm trying to find out how a negative Momcat could transmit the virus to her kittens, so any thoughts on that would be welcome. 

 A rescue that doesn't test is acting badly. I've worked with and for private 501c3s, and County facilities. They all tested for FeLV. There is no excuse for subjecting an adopter to finding out that the companionwho is a big art of the familyis terminally ill, and maybe at only a year or two old. LAAS allows cats to be put up for adoption BEFORE testing ?? That's just plain wrong. But, the down side is that rescues usually euthanize positives without allowing time for them to possibly convert to negative. And even if it does later test negative, how do you know that they've truly cleared the virus, and it isn't still lurking in the cat to return later.
 Still, I think testing is the only way a rescue can be responsible when offering cats/kittens for adoption. There are ways to reduce the cost, but it needs to be done. Of course, it is no guarantee that the FurKid will remain healthy, but it's something. Cats and kittens can have many problems, but we do the best we can.

 Sorry, a bit of a hot button for me, I'm afraid.

Margo


-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 
Hi Everyone!

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing protocol? I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles. I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until I can find a foster. I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my cats. One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new foster has a cat. I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary. Am I just paranoid? I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible gas. It clears the room. She's eating, drinking and using the litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger. Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas? Or a gassy cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-09 Thread Margo



Oh Dear !

 I forgot about Polli. I apologize for that, I meant to include it.

What Is Polli eating? Drinking? Meds, supplements?

^..^

-Original Message- From: "Amanda K. Payne" Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence 
Hi Everyone!

I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing protocol? I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles. I recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room until I can find a foster. I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room away from my cats. One of the rescues found another foster for the litter but the new foster has a cat. I got to talking to her about FeLV and now she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary. Am I just paranoid? I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being introduced into a new household. However, I feel like an ass for talking too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about testing vs. not testing?

Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has terrible gas. It clears the room. She's eating, drinking and using the litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger. Anyone have FeLV kitties with gas? Or a gassy cat for that matter?

Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

Best,
-Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

2013-06-09 Thread Amanda K. Payne
Margo,

I agree with you.  I think every rescue and shelter should test prior
adopting a cat out or placing it in a foster home where it will mingle with
resident cats.  Unfortunately, Los Angeles Animal Services (LAAS) and many
other cat rescues feel it's unnecessary.  I'm going to try to find
veterinarians or RVTs in the area who are willing to donate or discount
their services so that I can talk some of these rescues into testing.

As for Polli, she's a picky eater these days.  She drinks a lot of fresh
water and is eating Blue Buffalo Healthy Living dry food.  Occasionally,
she'll actually eat her Tiki Cat instead of just liking the gravy off.
 She's also obsessed with Temptations Treats--not the healthiest snacks but
she loves them and we indulge it.  I give her Pet-Tinic twice a day to help
with her anemia and Viralys in the morning.

Thanks, Margo!

-Amanda




On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:


  Oh Dear !



   I forgot about Polli. I apologize for that, I meant to
 include it.



   What Is Polli eating? Drinking? Meds, supplements?



 ^..^



 -Original Message-
 From: Amanda K. Payne **
 Sent: Jun 9, 2013 4:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Rescuing Kittens and Positive Kitty w/ Flatulence

 Hi Everyone!

 I have two questions today regarding FeLV.

 First, for anyone who has worked in the rescue world, what is your testing
 protocol?  I volunteer w/ several cat/kitten rescues in Los Angeles.  I
 recently found a litter in my garage and they're staying in my guest room
 until I can find a foster.  I have two FeLV+ cats so I'm overly cautious
 and don't want other cats in the house, even if they're in the spare room
 away from my cats.  One of the rescues found another foster for the litter
 but the new foster has a cat.  I got to talking to her about FeLV and now
 she won't take the kittens without them being tested--which I TOTALLY agree
 with. However, the rescue doesn't seem to think it necessary.  Am I just
 paranoid?  I think all cats and kittens should be tested before being
 introduced into a new household.  However, I feel like an ass for talking
 too much because I may have wrecked their potential foster home. I also
 know that testing isn't the most economical thing to do--LAAS doesn't even
 test their animals until they are adopted out. How does everyone feel about
 testing vs. not testing?

 Also, my girl, Polli (the one who wasn't eating a few weeks ago) has
 terrible gas.  It clears the room.  She's eating, drinking and using the
 litter box fine. She's always had problems with flatulence but now that
 she's showing signs of leukemia related illnesses, I once again just want
 to make sure it's not a sign of something bigger.  Anyone have FeLV kitties
 with gas?  Or a gassy cat for that matter?

 Talk to ya'll soon and I hope everyone's kitties are doing well!

 Best,
 -Amanda

 --
 There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand
 Russell


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