Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-13 Thread Natalie
Did you know that there's screening available that is pet'proof?  Our cats
climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than
estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a
relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the food.  I
handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.  Etc.  I like
Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be released into a
known area, developing that relationship is very important.  

 

Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have
been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals
have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved
so he could learn where he was.  The leash got longer and longer
and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have now travel around in a
carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when
..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts.
Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile
walks when the weather permits.  

 

All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do
this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu
then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact it for the
boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for
the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care
is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:





The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
if she doesn't get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
old area.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
to be addressed.

 

This is my experience only.  

On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:






 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-13 Thread MaiMaiPG
I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats.  I  
suspect I will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here.  The  
bugs don't bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something  
harmful getting on the porch to be.

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote:

Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”?   
Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the  
special ones.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer  
than estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to  
build a relationship with them during that period.  They see you  
with the food.  I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is  
my odor.  Etc.  I like Feliway when they are in confined.  Because  
she won't be released into a known area, developing that  
relationship is very important.


Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats  
but have been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok  
all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a  
long time when we moved so he could learn where he was.  The leash  
got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was.  The boys  
I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home-- 
it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper  
took unauthorized walk-abouts.  Now they are familiar with lots of  
scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits.


All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can  
do this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony  
and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to  
replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a  
reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom  
leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:


The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own  
territory and if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may  
start searching for the old area.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet  
treatment for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc),  
dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs,  
hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their  
own group), and just because of numerous other concerns.  None of  
them have ever forgotten their nature.  These ferals live at my  
Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have to be  
addressed.


This is my experience only.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-13 Thread Natalie
Don’t use chicken wire, it goes to pot very soon.  Use ¼” or ½” hardware
cloth, or even turkey-wire – much more sturdy and you don’t look like you’re
sitting in a chicken coop.  Then you can staple or nail screening on the
outside and not be bothered with flies/mosquitoes! 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats.  I suspect I
will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here.  The bugs don't
bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the
porch to be.  

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote:





Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”?  Our cats
climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than
estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a
relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the food.  I
handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.  Etc.  I like
Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be released into a
known area, developing that relationship is very important.  

 

Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have
been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals
have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved
so he could learn where he was.  The leash got longer and longer
and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have now travel around in a
carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when
..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts.
Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile
walks when the weather permits.  

 

All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do
this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu
then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact it for the
boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for
the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care
is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:






The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
old area.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
to be addressed.

 

This is my experience only.  

On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:







 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-13 Thread dlgegg
The mention of pet screening sent me searching.  Did you know Pfifer als makes 
a no seeum screen.  Those monsters make huge welts on me.  Now the question is: 
 do I need pet screen and no seeum to make a comfortable place for myself and 
the cats?  I was going to use 1/4 wire cloth, but if pet screen keeps all the 
bad guys out, then all I need is bug protection.  Would probably look nicer too.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Don’t use chicken wire, it goes to pot very soon.  Use ¼” or ½” hardware
 cloth, or even turkey-wire – much more sturdy and you don’t look like you’re
 sitting in a chicken coop.  Then you can staple or nail screening on the
 outside and not be bothered with flies/mosquitoes! 
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:07 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats.  I suspect I
 will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here.  The bugs don't
 bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the
 porch to be.  
 
 On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”?  Our cats
 climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than
 estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a
 relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the food.  I
 handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.  Etc.  I like
 Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be released into a
 known area, developing that relationship is very important.  
 
  
 
 Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have
 been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals
 have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved
 so he could learn where he was.  The leash got longer and longer
 and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have now travel around in a
 carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when
 ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts.
 Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile
 walks when the weather permits.  
 
  
 
 All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do
 this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu
 then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact it for the
 boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for
 the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care
 is a lifetime commitment.
 
 On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
 if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
 old area.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
 for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
 of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
 time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
 other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
 ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
 to be addressed.
 
  
 
 This is my experience only.  
 
 On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-12 Thread Natalie
The general time allotted for any cat that one plans to release in an area,
is 4 weeks.that includes taking the cat outside to allow it to get to know
the area, in increments. The cat must realize that this is her home, and she
must learn the scent.

  If this were dead in the middle of winter, one cannot do it that way -
snow deters a cat from learning any scents..some people move to a new place,
and immediately allow their cat(s) to go outside, and if there's snow, bye
bye cat...

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-12 Thread Natalie
The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
if she doesn't get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
old area.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
to be addressed.

 

This is my experience only.  

On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:





Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-12 Thread dlgegg
I have often wondered that if I had to move, what would I do about my cats.  
They are used to going out in the morning, but in a new place they might get 
lost trying to find their old home.  Also, I might end up in town with cars and 
trucks.  I have decided on an outdoor room.  Then they can be outside and I 
won't have to worry about them.  All of the ferals I have taken in have become 
my cats and come inside.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 The general time allotted for any cat that one plans to release in an area,
 is 4 weeks.that includes taking the cat outside to allow it to get to know
 the area, in increments. The cat must realize that this is her home, and she
 must learn the scent.
 
   If this were dead in the middle of winter, one cannot do it that way -
 snow deters a cat from learning any scents..some people move to a new place,
 and immediately allow their cat(s) to go outside, and if there's snow, bye
 bye cat...
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
 Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
 all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
 they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.
 
  
 
 I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
 holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
 under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
 outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
 large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
 this is where food is. 
 
  
 
 Hope this helps.
 
  
 
 Diane R.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 Importance: High
 
  
 
 Folks
 
 I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
 but am trying to figure this out with this cat.
 
  
 
 So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
 suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?
 
 I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
 I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
 stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..
 
  
 
 Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
 experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!
 
  
 
 ~Bonnie
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-12 Thread MaiMaiPG
I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than  
estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a  
relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the  
food.  I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.   
Etc.  I like Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be  
released into a known area, developing that relationship is very  
important.


Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but  
have been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my  
guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long  
time when we moved so he could learn where he was.  The leash got  
longer and longer and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have  
now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home--it has  
paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took  
unauthorized walk-abouts.  Now they are familiar with lots of scents  
on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits.


All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can  
do this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and  
Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact  
it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced  
screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world  
before they do..care is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:

The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own  
territory and if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may  
start searching for the old area.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet  
treatment for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc),  
dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs,  
hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their  
own group), and just because of numerous other concerns.  None of  
them have ever forgotten their nature.  These ferals live at my  
Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have to be  
addressed.


This is my experience only.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread Christiane Biagi
The place I bought the 42 crate:  

$77.95 and free shipping (Midwest Crate)
http://www.petstreetmall.com/Midwest-I-1542DD-Double-Door-iCrate-Dog-Crate/7
853/2963/ 

 

I last used it for 2 young kitties who I'd been feeding outside  who I knew
wouldn't last the winter.  Someone had lent me one of those hard sided dog
crates but I found that it didn't allow much air to circulate  they could
only see out the front.  With the wire crate, I used a sheet to drape over
it  sort of gave them a chance to see what was going on in the room at
different side by lifting on side or another.  I used a small covered litter
box inside  they did fine.  I made a hammock using a small towel.  Made
holes in all 4 corners; attached STRONG rope;  tied so that it hung above
the floor towards the front of crate.  This way, they had room to hang out
without fighting for space on the floor or climbing over each other to get
to the box.  I could put their food dishes towards the front so that it
wouldn't be close to the box.  They loved lying in that hammock  looking
around!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread kathryn mundell
Hey Bonnie -

 No apologies necessary!!

 I would crack open a window in the bathroom (if it has a window).

 If it doesn't have a window - try bringing in some plants/soil/etc (in a pot) 
from the outside.

 Once she has gotten more used to you - set up a large crate (covered with a 
tarp) that is big enough to hold food/water/litter  her box outside with her 
in it. She will be safe  protected in the cage  out of the elements (due to 
the tarp)  can get acclimated to her surroundings. (I'm assuming the weather 
is not horrendous by you right now).

 Then you can let her out of the cage - but prop the cage door open so she can 
always get back in if she wants.

 Sending you good vibes for great success!!

 Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 Folks I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this 
morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat. So, if I decide to put 
her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been suggested, then how do I 
introduce her to 'living outside' again? I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying 
to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess. I know this doesn't sound like much to 
some of you, but it's getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the 
felines!).. Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and 
experiences. I deeply appreciate you all! ~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread Natalie
I use the Midwest crates, but I use two (door-to-door), twistem tie
together.  I use one as living room and food, the other for litter box and
open from the top to clean/feed.  If a cat is really feral, I slide a
cardboard between the two cages to open one or the other top safely.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

The place I bought the 42 crate:  

$77.95 and free shipping (Midwest Crate)
http://www.petstreetmall.com/Midwest-I-1542DD-Double-Door-iCrate-Dog-Crate/7
853/2963/ 

 

I last used it for 2 young kitties who I'd been feeding outside  who I knew
wouldn't last the winter.  Someone had lent me one of those hard sided dog
crates but I found that it didn't allow much air to circulate  they could
only see out the front.  With the wire crate, I used a sheet to drape over
it  sort of gave them a chance to see what was going on in the room at
different side by lifting on side or another.  I used a small covered litter
box inside  they did fine.  I made a hammock using a small towel.  Made
holes in all 4 corners; attached STRONG rope;  tied so that it hung above
the floor towards the front of crate.  This way, they had room to hang out
without fighting for space on the floor or climbing over each other to get
to the box.  I could put their food dishes towards the front so that it
wouldn't be close to the box.  They loved lying in that hammock  looking
around!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread Lynda Wilson
I like the suggestion of finding a Himalayan rescue that could take her in.

L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hogue 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...


  Folks

  I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning, 
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

   

  So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been 
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

  I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.  
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit 
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

   

  Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and experiences. 
 I deeply appreciate you all!

   

  ~Bonnie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread MaiMaiPG

Can you put up a dog kennel with a topper?
On Aug 11, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Folks
I’m sorry to be monopolizing all this “air space” on the list this  
morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat.


So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has  
been suggested, then how do I introduce her to ‘living outside’ again?
I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt’s cat,  
Princess.  I know this doesn’t sound like much to some of you, but  
it’s getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)….


Again, I can’t thank you enough for sharing your information and  
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!


~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

2011-08-11 Thread MaiMaiPG
On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet  
treatment for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc),  
dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks  
etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own  
group), and just because of numerous other concerns.  None of them  
have ever forgotten their nature.  These ferals live at my Mom's but I  
am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have to be addressed.


This is my experience only.
On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and  
reading the Files. You have to look a little, but there is good  
advice for dealing with all kinds of situations. You can join the  
group and just ask, of course, but they will respect you more if you  
look in the Files first.


I’m not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises  
AGAINST holding a cat you’re going to TNR inside for that long  
unless it is ill and under treatment. The idea being that it will  
lose its sense of being an outside cat. They DO advocate, when  
relocating, holding the cat outside in a large cage for a few weeks  
to get them used to the yard and the idea that “this is where food  
is.”


Hope this helps.

Diane R.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

Folks
I’m sorry to be monopolizing all this “air space” on the list this  
morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat.


So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has  
been suggested, then how do I introduce her to ‘living outside’ again?
I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt’s cat,  
Princess.  I know this doesn’t sound like much to some of you, but  
it’s getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)….


Again, I can’t thank you enough for sharing your information and  
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!


~Bonnie
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