Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate

2017-11-03 Thread Sandy

Happy Tails!! 
Sandy W 
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From: dlg...@windstream.net 
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Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 5:02:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate 

No appology necessary. It is great news that someone besides us cares enough to 
do what is right. 

 marlene melpignano <marl...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you. 
> My friend just brought me the stargate. 
> I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family 
> and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours. 
> Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are 
> giving me the possibility to try. 
> Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid 
> humans abusing of it. 
> And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support. 
> Marlène and Microbo 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate

2017-11-03 Thread dlgegg
No appology necessary.  It is great news that someone besides us cares enough 
to do what is right.

 marlene melpignano  wrote: 
> Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you.
> My friend just brought me the stargate.
> I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family 
> and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours.
> Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are 
> giving me the possibility to try.
> Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid 
> humans abusing of it.
> And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support.
> Marlène and Microbo
> 
> 
> 
> [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Inviato da iPhone


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Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?

2017-11-02 Thread Sandy
The Androgen Group-Anabolic Steroids 
Veterinary & Aquatic Services Department, Drs. Foster & Smith   
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This is from the Drs. Fosters & Smith website - for anyone interested 
Sandy W 


These compounds are related to the male hormone testosterone. They are referred 
to as the anabolic steroids because they cause the formation of new proteins. 
As we stated before, they are often abused by athletes trying to increase 
strength and muscle mass. Their use in canine medicine, while infrequent, is 
related to these and similar properties. 



Anabolic steroids come in liquid forms for injection and tablets for oral 
administration. Two of the most commonly used in canine medicine are stanozolol 
(Winstrol-V) and nandrolone (DecaDurabolin). 

Animals that have been sick for a long time or who have been through severe, 
debilitating injuries often have generalized weakness and atrophied muscles. In 
some, this has progressed to the point where the animals can no longer walk or 
even stand. Their bodies are just too run down, and without some outside 
stimulation, they simply may give up the will to live. 




Anabolic steroids are sometimes useful in these situations. The therapy may 
take several weeks. The medications can be most helpful if the veterinarian 
recognizes the condition before too much strength is lost. Anabolic steroids 
assist the body in regaining its muscle mass by building new proteins, which 
are the primary constituent of muscle fibers. Additionally, they help 
strengthen existing muscles. 




In some of these same cases, anabolic steroids are frequently used to stimulate 
the debilitated or recovering patient's appetite. To achieve this effect 
usually requires several days to several weeks of therapy for significant 
changes. 

The anabolic steroids are also useful in treating certain types of anemia . 
Anemia is the term used to describe lower than normal numbers of red blood 
cells (RBCs). In certain cases where the bone marrow has stopped producing new 
RBCs, administration of anabolic steroids will stimulate this system and bring 
the number of these cells back to normal levels. They also are known to 
stimulate the production of white blood cells and platelets (tiny cells in 
blood that assist in clotting) to a lesser degree. In these situations, the 
anabolic steroids are useful only in increasing the numbers of these cells. 
They do not increase the ability of the cells to function . 




Kidney failure often brings on anemia because these organs may fail to produce 
the substance erythropoietin. Its normal function is to monitor the level of 
RBCs in the body and to stimulate the bone marrow to increase production when 
RBC numbers are too low. In its absence, anabolic steroids are often useful in 
reversing the effects of this anemia. They do not cause new erythropoietin to 
be produced; they only replace its function. 

In many situations, the anabolic steroids fail to provide the benefits 
described here. Regardless of which particular product is used, it is often 
impossible to reverse the condition present. These are not miracle drugs that 
can save every debilitated or severely ill patient, but in some they can help. 

As stated, these medications are closely related to testosterone and many of 
the problems associated with their usage are brought on by the normal actions 
of the male hormones. They can cause cessation of heat cycles and imitation 
mounting behavior in females. In males, they have been found to increase the 
incidence of prostate disease and certain hernias and tumors that are caused by 
normal testosterone levels in older male dogs. Normal sperm production is often 
disrupted, with few new cells being formed. None of these problems are 
considered significant in these cases, as many of the patients are already in a 
life or death situation. 




Anabolic steroids also cause water retention and this can cause additional 
complications in kidney or heart failure patients. These products also increase 
the absorption of calcium by the intestinal tract and cause the kidneys to 
retain calcium during normal urine production. Both of these actions lead to 
excessively high calcium levels in the blood which can be disastrous to normal 
heart function. This can be quickly fatal in those with already failing hearts. 



















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From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 4:40:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate? 

An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and 
you can get hold of it... 
Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am 
hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve 
it. 
I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is 
used... though

Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate?

2017-11-02 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL
An odd name for a drug... but... terrific if it really is Stanazalol and 
you can get hold of it...
Your Kitty is lucky to have an owner so commited to his survival... I am 
hoping hard that all your kind effort pays off... he AND you deserve 
it.
I don't know that it makes a difference which mode of administration is 
used... though, generally, with drugs some of the dose is lost while 
traveling through the digestive system and first pass through the liver 
( though that will happen i)...  so I'd be "inclined" more toward 
injection if it's SubQ ( they hardly feel it) IM can be a bit more 
painful and I'd want to know for certain that there are clear advantages 
to this before I subjected a kitty to this... I'm so hoping fate and 
luck are with you and your kitty...
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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 14:24:50 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell
immunomodulator - help
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 Amani Oakley  wrote:

Marlene

The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly 
on cats with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful 
when a cat is not eating. Unfortunately, though there are other 
steroids, I am not certain you will get the same result if you use 
another steroid in place of the Winstrol. DO NOT USE another 
antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus replication and is 
added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the virus, to 
enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for a 
secondary infection.
I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a 
cat is dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the 
response and if there isn?t an appreciable response after a 
reasonable period of time, look for another option. But don?t have a 
debate while the cat is declining. What's the worst that could 
happen? It doesn?t work? What other options are they giving you???


  COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES 
WRONG?


I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you 
go on line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like 
Germany.
If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I 
really doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on 
of blood cell production in the bone marrow - I don?t think there is 
another steroid that does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol 
online from Germany or wherever else it can be sourced. But don't 
wait. The longer you wait, the worse the condition of your cat, thus 
worsening the chances of anything working.


Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of marlene melpignano

Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell 
immunomodulator - help


Dear All,
Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma 
or a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have 
a conclusive result). My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a 
university clinic to have a bone marrow exam, in order to decide 
whether a chemotherapy is worth while.


Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? 
Have you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?


About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal 
in Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide 
not to go for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether 
your cats had already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were 
just Felv + and also whether they had infections going on;