Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[dlgegg]

Sorry for your loss, not much tht can be said to ease the loss, but will keep 
you in my prayers.


 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> Hi Rachel and everyone on this site,

Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday 
morning stroll and then asking for a snack!

Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been 
able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I 
have been planning to send a message about him, here goes  Tigger was doing 
wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on 
his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork 
was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had 
been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran 
the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's 
non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't 
seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat 
and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I 
came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at 
home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so 
thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like 
going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood 
draws.

I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, 
along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made 
it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than 
Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a 
lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol 
was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the 
veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than 
euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange 
furball who rescued us five and a half years ago.

I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with 
her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise 
in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller 
coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me 
at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him.

For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there 
will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we 
can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open 
windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to 
lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he 
would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard 
doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would 
gladly go back to all of that to have him back.

I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your 
suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the 
five wonderful years Tigger spent with us!

Thank you,
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, 
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his 
supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing 
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. 
I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious 
and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out 
and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to 
let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here 
Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she 
was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would 
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an 
anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticos

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Rachel Dagner]

I am so very sorry Ardy. What a blessing that he got to be at home and with his 
family at the end. Feline Leukemia is a hard battle to fight, and a million 
times harder to win. I hope that someday they do more research on  Winstrol and 
other protocols that will help those like us in the future. Tigger was so lucky 
to have you as his mommy, you went above and beyond what many would do for 
their kitty, you fought a good fight, you should not question it for even one 
second. I believe with all of my heart that our spirits human and furry alike 
are always here with us, and that when it is our time we will all be reunited. 
I pray that time and all of your wonderful memories of Tigger will help to ease 
your pain. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 9, 2016, at 11:31 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> I am still beyond heart-broken at Tigger's loss. Ardy was and is amazing - so 
> dedicated and loving to Tigger. As that sad and so-true saying goes, "if love 
> could have saved you, you would have lived forever". 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: May-09-16 8:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
> 
> Hi Rachel and everyone on this site,
> 
> Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday 
> morning stroll and then asking for a snack!
> 
> Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been 
> able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I 
> have been planning to send a message about him, here goes  Tigger was 
> doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, 
> eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. 
> His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly 
> flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his 
> report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was 
> seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday 
> evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not 
> want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during 
> the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He 
> passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we 
> love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. 
> He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and 
> needles such as blood draws.
> 
> I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, 
> along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made 
> it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than 
> Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are 
> a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the 
> Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that 
> the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than 
> euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little 
> orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago.
> 
> I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with 
> her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise 
> in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the 
> roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing 
> with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him.
> 
> For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there 
> will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, 
> we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open 
> windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to 
> lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he 
> would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the 
> cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, 
> but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back.
> 
> I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your 
> suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the 
> five wonderful years Tigger spent with us!
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Monday, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Amani Oakley]

I am still beyond heart-broken at Tigger's loss. Ardy was and is amazing - so 
dedicated and loving to Tigger. As that sad and so-true saying goes, "if love 
could have saved you, you would have lived forever". 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: May-09-16 8:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

Hi Rachel and everyone on this site,

Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday 
morning stroll and then asking for a snack!

Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been 
able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I 
have been planning to send a message about him, here goes  Tigger was doing 
wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on 
his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork 
was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had 
been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran 
the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's 
non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't 
seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat 
and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I 
came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at 
home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so 
thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like 
going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood 
draws.

I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, 
along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made 
it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than 
Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a 
lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol 
was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the 
veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than 
euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange 
furball who rescued us five and a half years ago.

I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with 
her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise 
in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller 
coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me 
at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him.

For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there 
will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we 
can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open 
windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to 
lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he 
would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard 
doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would 
gladly go back to all of that to have him back.

I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your 
suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the 
five wonderful years Tigger spent with us!

Thank you,
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, 
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his 
supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing 
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. 
I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious 
and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out 
and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to 
let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here 
Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she 
was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would 
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] O

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Rachel and everyone on this site,

Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday 
morning stroll and then asking for a snack!

Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been 
able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I 
have been planning to send a message about him, here goes  Tigger was doing 
wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on 
his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork 
was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had 
been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran 
the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's 
non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't 
seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat 
and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I 
came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at 
home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so 
thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like 
going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood 
draws.

I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, 
along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made 
it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than 
Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a 
lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol 
was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the 
veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than 
euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange 
furball who rescued us five and a half years ago.

I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with 
her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise 
in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller 
coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me 
at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him.

For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there 
will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we 
can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open 
windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to 
lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he 
would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard 
doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would 
gladly go back to all of that to have him back.

I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your 
suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the 
five wonderful years Tigger spent with us!

Thank you,
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, 
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his 
supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing 
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. 
I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious 
and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out 
and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to 
let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here 
Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she 
was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would 
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an 
anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like 
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They 
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune 
s

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Rachel Dagner]

Cats. You gotta love them! Ouch on your broken arm, that makes EVERYTHING
more difficult. Ugh.

-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net]
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Rachel Dagner
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

How many times has someone gotten out and I spent hours wandering up and
down the road calling, hoping and prying, no results.  I come in, give up
and then notice the culprit standing at the window scratching at it and
meowing, acting like i had pushed them out and refused to let them in. At
this point, I do not know if I should punish them or pick them up and love
the life out of them.  Dee did this the other day and she never runs of,
always wants back in within 1/2 hour.  And me with a broken arm, having to
use a cane!  I wanted to kill her but was so glad she was back home all I
could do was hug her.

 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote:
> My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one
> sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him,
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do
his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my
worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would
get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I
know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is
impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open
for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes
it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to
improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effectiv

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[dlgegg]

How many times has someone gotten out and I spent hours wandering up and down 
the road calling, hoping and prying, no results.  I come in, give up and then 
notice the culprit standing at the window scratching at it and meowing, acting 
like i had pushed them out and refused to let them in. At this point, I do not 
know if I should punish them or pick them up and love the life out of them.  
Dee did this the other day and she never runs of, always wants back in within 
1/2 hour.  And me with a broken arm, having to use a cane!  I wanted to kill 
her but was so glad she was back home all I could do was hug her.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him,
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do
his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my
worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would
get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I
know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is
impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open
for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes
it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to
improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to
discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[dlgegg]

You are the first one I have heard from for a couple of days.


 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him,
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do
his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my
worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would
get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I
know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is
impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open
for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes
it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to
improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to
discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even
after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something
else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my
cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have
done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if
someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support
them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I
pray every day that I am giving 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger

[Rachel Dagner]

My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky
cat)
and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him,
tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do
his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing
lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my
worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would
get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I
know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is
impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open
for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes
it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her.
Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would
like a snack.

Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to
improve...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Hi Rachel

There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is
an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like
Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They
start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune
system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle
and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also
used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia.
Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the
two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY
different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good
response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one
sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with
the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper
them off as you do with people and dogs).

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet
(not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say
it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the
immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience
with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science
protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour
after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of
positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the
smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss
with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my
arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non
steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because
they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs...

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues

Rachel

I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if
you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an
ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be
inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling
down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to
discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Dagner
Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless

Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even
after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something
else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my
cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have
done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if
someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support
them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I
pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and
lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. My parents did (very