Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-26 Thread Sharyl

Not a problem Karen.  I get kitty assistance all the time on the computer.
Sharyl

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 From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 12:54 AM
 Sharyl,
 
 Sorry for the misspelling of your name, A kitty walked
 across the keyboard as I was checking for typos and the darn
 thing must have hit send.
 
 Karen 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-25 Thread Karen Griffith

Sharly,

I agree with you that it shouldn't be used as a food replacement if the cat 
is eating. I just said that it is a good way to get calories, vitamins, 
minerals, into a totally anorexic cat.  It is very hard to get a complete 
jar of baby food down a cat who is in such poor shape that it's swallow 
reflex is impared, or is hard to syringe.  The high levels of B-complex 
vitamins in Nutrical can also improve appetite.  If you will look, I said it 
can be, not it should be a replacement.  Again I agree with you that the 
baby food is also a good idea.  Sometimes though, 3cc twice per day is 
easier to accomplish to get calories, vits, mins,etc


Keep up the good advise.

Karen Griffith.


- Original Message - 
From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I



Judy,
I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be 
used as a replacement for food.  Here are the ingredients from Doctors 
Foster and Smith web site.


Regular Nutri-Cal
Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane 
Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl 
Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron 
Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of 
Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A 
Palmitate  D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and 
Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and 
Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12).


As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil.  A much better choice for 
short term assistance is meat baby food.  A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and 
Gravy has 100 calories.  Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson. 
The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh 
him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale.  Most pate style 
canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed. 
My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon.  She wont eat off 
her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food 
several times per day on her baby spoon.  Each kitty is unique.  You just 
need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson.  May kitties 
will start eating on their own again once they feel better.

Sharyl

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote:


From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
Judy,

It is great that you are getting some food down him.
You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or
order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for
shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they
are not in too bad of shape. About 3cc twice/day will
do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in
totally anorexic cats. The B-complex vitamins in it
will also stimulate appetite. 3cc once/day will do if
they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat). Since
you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him
sub/cutanious fluids. It is important that his fluid
and electrolytes are sufficient. Lactated Ringers are
better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes.
About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help. May
need to put it in 2 injection sites. As a rule of
thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin
that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand.

Wishing you good luck. Sounds like you are making
progress. I just got back in the house, and will be
online for a while longer. You can email me at griff...@frognet.net
if you have questions. I am rural as well and on dial
up. If I receive your email, I can go off-line and
give you a call.

Karen Griffith


- Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com
To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I


 Hi,
 Thanks for all your comments, especially about
feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I
couldn't wait until they left so I could get to my
computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us
quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the
assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson actually
was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long
as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me
and the cat calm!

 So we are starting on a new thing here.

 Sympathy to Sharyl on the loss of Houdini...and thanks
for the extra emphasis on the feeding that got me into real
action. I am used to dealing with people who won't eat, not
cats, and had no idea that no food for a short time can be
fatal.

 Judy and Wilson






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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-25 Thread Karen Griffith

Sharyl,

Sorry for the misspelling of your name, A kitty walked across the keyboard 
as I was checking for typos and the darn thing must have hit send.


Karen 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-24 Thread Karen Griffith

Judy,

It is great that you are getting some food down him.  You can also syringe 
feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet would be best 
bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if 
they are not in too bad of shape.  About 3cc twice/day will do wonders, and 
can be used for a total food replacement in totally anorexic cats.  The 
B-complex vitamins in it will also stimulate appetite.  3cc once/day will do 
if they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat).  Since you are a nurse, you 
will also easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids.  It is important 
that his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient.  Lactated Ringers are better 
than saline, due to the extra electrolytes.  About 100cc/day with an 18 g 
needle will help.  May need to put it in 2 injection sites.  As a rule of 
thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin that a 10 year old 
child can cup in their hand.


Wishing you good luck.  Sounds like you are making progress.  I just got 
back in the house, and will be online for a while longer.  You can email me 
at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions.  I am rural as well and on 
dial up.  If I receive your email, I can go off-line and give you a call.


Karen Griffith


- Original Message - 
From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com

To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I



Hi,
Thanks for all your comments, especially about feeding. We had guests over 
for dinner tonight and I couldn't wait until they left so I could get to 
my computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us quit after 
about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the assisted feeding site and 
was encouraged. Wilson actually was swallowing the syringed food rather 
gratefully, as long as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep 
both me and the cat calm!


So we are starting on a new thing here.

Sympathy to Sharyl on the loss of Houdini...and thanks for the extra 
emphasis on the feeding that got me into real action. I am used to dealing 
with people who won't eat, not cats, and had no idea that no food for a 
short time can be fatal.


Judy and Wilson




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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-24 Thread Sharyl

Judy,
I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be 
used as a replacement for food.  Here are the ingredients from Doctors Foster 
and Smith web site.

Regular Nutri-Cal
Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane Molasses, 
Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate 
(Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron Peptonate, 
Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of Calcium and 
Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A Palmitate  D3 
supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and Potassium), Riboflavin5, 
Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and Phosphorus), Folic Acid and 
Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12).  

As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil.  A much better choice for 
short term assistance is meat baby food.  A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy 
has 100 calories.  Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson.  The 
only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh him 
regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale.  Most pate style canned foods 
can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed.  My Pequita, CRF, 
prefers her food offered on a baby spoon.  She wont eat off her plate but I am 
able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food several times per day on her 
baby spoon.  Each kitty is unique.  You just need to find the feeding method 
that works best for Wilson.  May kitties will start eating on their own again 
once they feel better.
Sharyl   

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote:

 From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
 Judy,
 
 It is great that you are getting some food down him. 
 You can also syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or
 order online, but vet would be best bet due to delay for
 shipping), though they usually lap it up themselves if they
 are not in too bad of shape.  About 3cc twice/day will
 do wonders, and can be used for a total food replacement in
 totally anorexic cats.  The B-complex vitamins in it
 will also stimulate appetite.  3cc once/day will do if
 they are eating anything at all (10 lb. cat).  Since
 you are a nurse, you will also easily be able to give him
 sub/cutanious fluids.  It is important that his fluid
 and electrolytes are sufficient.  Lactated Ringers are
 better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes. 
 About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help.  May
 need to put it in 2 injection sites.  As a rule of
 thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of fluids under the skin
 that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand.
 
 Wishing you good luck.  Sounds like you are making
 progress.  I just got back in the house, and will be
 online for a while longer.  You can email me at griff...@frognet.net
 if you have questions.  I am rural as well and on dial
 up.  If I receive your email, I can go off-line and
 give you a call.
 
 Karen Griffith
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com
 To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 
 
  Hi,
  Thanks for all your comments, especially about
 feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I
 couldn't wait until they left so I could get to my
 computer..after I began syringe feeding Wilson. Both of us
 quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I then got on the
 assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson actually
 was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long
 as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me
 and the cat calm!
  
  So we are starting on a new thing here.
  
  Sympathy to Sharyl on the loss of Houdini...and thanks
 for the extra emphasis on the feeding that got me into real
 action. I am used to dealing with people who won't eat, not
 cats, and had no idea that no food for a short time can be
 fatal.
  
  Judy and Wilson



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-24 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we didn't
notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls).  Still don't
know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what.  Finally noticed he wasn't
himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests -- hepatic
lipidosis.  We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from the
vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately syringed and
spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one
slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe).  This went on for a few
days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon.  We still tube-fed him for
another couple days but his appetite picked right up.  

From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least, corn
syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending way for
them to get some nourishment.  I wonder if that is the rationale behind the
Nutrical formula?  

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I


Judy,
I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal should not be
used as a replacement for food.  Here are the ingredients from Doctors
Foster and Smith web site.

Regular Nutri-Cal
Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane
Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl
Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron
Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of
Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A
Palmitate  D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and
Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and
Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12).  

As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil.  A much better choice for
short term assistance is meat baby food.  A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken and
Gravy has 100 calories.  Try to work up to 200 calories per day with Wilson.
The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to weigh
him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale.  Most pate style
canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily syringed.
My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon.  She wont eat off
her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food
several times per day on her baby spoon.  Each kitty is unique.  You just
need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson.  May kitties
will start eating on their own again once they feel better.
Sharyl   

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote:

 From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
 Judy,
 
 It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also 
 syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet 
 would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap 
 it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape.  About 3cc 
 twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food 
 replacement in totally anorexic cats.  The B-complex vitamins in it 
 will also stimulate appetite.  3cc once/day will do if they are eating 
 anything at all (10 lb. cat).  Since you are a nurse, you will also 
 easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids.  It is important that 
 his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient.  Lactated Ringers are 
 better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes.
 About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help.  May need to put it in 
 2 injection sites.  As a rule of thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of 
 fluids under the skin that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand.
 
 Wishing you good luck.  Sounds like you are making progress.  I just 
 got back in the house, and will be online for a while longer.  You can 
 email me at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions.  I am rural as 
 well and on dial up.  If I receive your email, I can go off-line and 
 give you a call.
 
 Karen Griffith
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com
 To: Feline leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:35 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 
 
  Hi,
  Thanks for all your comments, especially about
 feeding. We had guests over for dinner tonight and I couldn't wait 
 until they left so I could get to my computer..after I began syringe 
 feeding Wilson. Both of us quit after about 20 ccs of cat food, but I 
 then got on the assisted feeding site and was encouraged. Wilson 
 actually was swallowing the syringed food rather gratefully, as long 
 as I didn't push it too fast. My husband helped keep both me and the 
 cat calm

Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-24 Thread Susan Ang
I have to say that Nutrical was invaluable to us in saving Autumn's  
life. She couldn't keep anything down and everytime she had diarrhea,  
she also vomited. Nutrical and Pedialyte kept her hydrated and  
nourished. I am sure that without it we would have lost her. Of  
course, we got her back on her Evo and prescription soft food as soon  
as she could keep it down.


My mother also used Nutrical as a suplement for a 20 year old cat. She  
lived to be 24! Not all cats like it though.


~Susan

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt  
drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:


This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we  
didn't
notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls).   
Still don't
know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what.  Finally noticed  
he wasn't
himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests --  
hepatic
lipidosis.  We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from  
the
vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately  
syringed and

spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one
slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe).  This went on for  
a few
days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon.  We still tube-fed  
him for

another couple days but his appetite picked right up.

From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least,  
corn
syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending  
way for
them to get some nourishment.  I wonder if that is the rationale  
behind the

Nutrical formula?

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I


Judy,
I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal  
should not be

used as a replacement for food.  Here are the ingredients from Doctors
Foster and Smith web site.

Regular Nutri-Cal
Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane
Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha  
Tocopheryl
Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese  
Sulfate, Iron

Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of
Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl,  
Vitamin A

Palmitate  D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and
Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and
Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12).

As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil.  A much better  
choice for
short term assistance is meat baby food.  A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken  
and
Gravy has 100 calories.  Try to work up to 200 calories per day with  
Wilson.
The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to  
weigh

him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale.  Most pate style
canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily  
syringed.
My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon.  She wont  
eat off

her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food
several times per day on her baby spoon.  Each kitty is unique.  You  
just
need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson.  May  
kitties

will start eating on their own again once they feel better.
Sharyl

--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote:


From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
Judy,

It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also
syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet
would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap
it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape.  About 3cc
twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food
replacement in totally anorexic cats.  The B-complex vitamins in it
will also stimulate appetite.  3cc once/day will do if they are  
eating

anything at all (10 lb. cat).  Since you are a nurse, you will also
easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids.  It is important  
that

his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient.  Lactated Ringers are
better than saline, due to the extra electrolytes.
About 100cc/day with an 18 g needle will help.  May need to put it in
2 injection sites.  As a rule of thumb, don't get a bigger bubble of
fluids under the skin that a 10 year old child can cup in their hand.

Wishing you good luck.  Sounds like you are making progress.  I just
got back in the house, and will be online for a while longer.  You  
can
email me at griff...@frognet.net if you have questions.  I am rural  
as

well and on dial up.  If I receive your email, I can go off-line and
give you a call.

Karen Griffith


- Original Message - From: Judy Eaton jude...@yahoo.com

Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-24 Thread Belinda Sauro
   I have to agree about the Nutrical, it is OK to use in an emergency 
once or twice but not on a regular basis, Fred is and has been eating 
baby food for months with supplements added of course and he has gained 
quite a bit of weight, about a pound, which for a CRF cat is pretty darn 
good!!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

2009-04-24 Thread Chris
Ditto for Nutrical.  When a cat won't eat anything, if you can get some
Nutrical in them, it at least gives them some basic nutrients and sometimes
helps jump start their appetite

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
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-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Ang
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I

I have to say that Nutrical was invaluable to us in saving Autumn's  
life. She couldn't keep anything down and everytime she had diarrhea,  
she also vomited. Nutrical and Pedialyte kept her hydrated and  
nourished. I am sure that without it we would have lost her. Of  
course, we got her back on her Evo and prescription soft food as soon  
as she could keep it down.

My mother also used Nutrical as a suplement for a 20 year old cat. She  
lived to be 24! Not all cats like it though.

~Susan

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Diane Rosenfeldt  
drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 This was definitely the case with my Luc, who stopped eating and we  
 didn't
 notice right away (4 other cats free-feeding from same bowls).   
 Still don't
 know if it was some sort of pancreatitis or what.  Finally noticed  
 he wasn't
 himself, took to high-class emergency vet 20 miles away for tests --  
 hepatic
 lipidosis.  We had an esophageal tube inserted and fed him A/D from  
 the
 vet's office watered down and blendered, which we alternately  
 syringed and
 spooned down the tube using a small funnel (it was really easy for one
 slightly larger bit of food to block the syringe).  This went on for  
 a few
 days and then he started licking A/D off a spoon.  We still tube-fed  
 him for
 another couple days but his appetite picked right up.

 From another list I'm on, I understand that for newborns at least,  
 corn
 syrup (most often rubbed on their gums) is a zero-energy-expending  
 way for
 them to get some nourishment.  I wonder if that is the rationale  
 behind the
 Nutrical formula?

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:12 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I


 Judy,
 I don't want to get into a food fight with Karen but Nutri-Cal  
 should not be
 used as a replacement for food.  Here are the ingredients from Doctors
 Foster and Smith web site.

 Regular Nutri-Cal
 Ingredients: Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane
 Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin By-products, dl-Alpha  
 Tocopheryl
 Acetate (Vitamin E), Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese  
 Sulfate, Iron
 Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Niacinamide, Calcium Pantothenate (Source of
 Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl,  
 Vitamin A
 Palmitate  D3 supplement, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and
 Potassium), Riboflavin5, Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vitamin B2 and
 Phosphorus), Folic Acid and Cyancobalamin (Vitamin B12).

 As you can see the primary ingredient is corn oil.  A much better  
 choice for
 short term assistance is meat baby food.  A jar of Gerber 2 Chicken  
 and
 Gravy has 100 calories.  Try to work up to 200 calories per day with  
 Wilson.
 The only way to know for sure if he is getting enough calories is to  
 weigh
 him regularly on a good digital postal or baby scale.  Most pate style
 canned foods can be blended with a little liquid and are easily  
 syringed.
 My Pequita, CRF, prefers her food offered on a baby spoon.  She wont  
 eat off
 her plate but I am able to maintain her body wt. by offering her food
 several times per day on her baby spoon.  Each kitty is unique.  You  
 just
 need to find the feeding method that works best for Wilson.  May  
 kitties
 will start eating on their own again once they feel better.
 Sharyl

 --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net wrote:

 From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wilson and I
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:58 AM
 Judy,

 It is great that you are getting some food down him. You can also
 syringe feed Nutrical (can get from your vet or order online, but vet
 would be best bet due to delay for shipping), though they usually lap
 it up themselves if they are not in too bad of shape.  About 3cc
 twice/day will do wonders, and can be used for a total food
 replacement in totally anorexic cats.  The B-complex vitamins in it
 will also stimulate appetite.  3cc once/day will do if they are  
 eating
 anything at all (10 lb. cat).  Since you are a nurse, you will also
 easily be able to give him sub/cutanious fluids.  It is important  
 that
 his fluid and electrolytes are sufficient