Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Sharyl
Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either.  
 
Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine?  Since you went to the doc for abx you 
may get a call from the Health Dept.  I know I did when I went to the ER for 
treatment of an infected cat bite.  I had to agree to quarantine my cat for 10 
days..
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
  

Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well 
as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into 
Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. I 
got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to find 
that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to our 
rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought the 
second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits rooms. 
I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie didn't act 
like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the 
fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old puts 
her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, but she 
had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems very 
healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who 
had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns about 
Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, and 
Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lance
Thanks for the good thoughts, everyone. Sharyl, I hope I'm the only one with a 
puncture wound. I don't know that for sure. I've felt around on Callie's neck, 
tail, and legs, and I haven't found anything yet, but I doubt that I'd know it 
if I were touching it. I wish there was something that could be given within 
24-48 hours to prevent an FeLV infection, but I know of nothing like that.

Callie is not up on her rabies vaccine. She doesn't go outside, so my parents 
chose not to vaccinate her. Ember  is in the same boat. I'm not sure, but I'm 
hoping that this wasn't reported to the health department. That Callie could 
now be dealing with an FeLV infection is nightmarish enough.

On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either. 
  
 Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine?  Since you went to the doc for abx 
 you may get a call from the Health Dept.  I know I did when I went to the ER 
 for treatment of an infected cat bite.  I had to agree to quarantine my cat 
 for 10 days..
  
 Sharyl
 
 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as 
 well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got 
 into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
 minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
 upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. 
 I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.
 
 Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
 the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
 find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
 our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
 the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
 rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
 didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 
 
 Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
 virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the 
 fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old 
 puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, 
 but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also 
 seems very healthy. 
 
 There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who 
 had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns 
 about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a 
 week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic 
 hernia.
 
 Please think of the two girls.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo



Hi Lance,

 Have they ever been vaccinate against rabies? That's usually enough to allow a "home quarantine" if it even comes up.

 A little late (I'm sorry, I just got to this) but bathing the negative cat to remove any saliva or other bodily fluids might help prevent infection if it should happen again. Chances are Callie will be fine, FeLV is not that easily transmitted.

All the best,

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm>Sent: Jun 5, 2013 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Thanks for the good thoughts, everyone. Sharyl, I hope I'm the only one with a puncture wound. I don't know that for sure. I've felt around on Callie's neck, tail, and legs, and I haven't found anything yet, but I doubt that I'd know it if I were touching it. I wish there was something that could be given within 24-48 hours to prevent an FeLV infection, but I know of nothing like that.

Callie is not up on her rabies vaccine. She doesn't go outside, so my parents chose not to vaccinate her. Ember is in the same boat. I'm not sure, but I'm hoping that this wasn't reported to the health department. That Callie could now be dealing with an FeLV infection is nightmarish enough.



On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:



Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either. 

Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine? Since you went to the doc for abx you may get a call from the Health Dept. I know I did when I went to the ER for treatment of an infected cat bite. I had to agree to quarantine my cat for 10 days..

Sharyl




From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fmTo: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53 PMSubject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
Hi everyone,I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems very healthy. There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia.Please think of the two girls.Lance ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
I know that FeLv is infectious but I had two carrier cats who tested negative 
until they were old and had renal failure, then tested positive. However, if 
FeLv were so contagious their housemates would have been infected early on 
because everyone slept in a pile and groomed each other. After Tiger and Twerp 
passed away, I had the other 6 tested. No one was infected and each passed away 
from ordinary cat issues, usually renal failure. I really don't feel like one 
hissy fit between your cats will cause any permanent damage.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 


 

 
Hi Lance,
 
  Have they ever been vaccinate against rabies? That's 
usually enough to allow a home quarantine if it even comes up.
 
  A little late (I'm sorry, I just got to this) but 
bathing the negative cat to remove any saliva or other bodily fluids might 
help prevent infection if it should happen again. Chances are Callie will be 
fine, FeLV is not that easily transmitted.
 
All the best,
 
Margo
 
-Original Message- 
From: Lance 
Sent: Jun 5, 2013 9:55 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 

Thanks for the good thoughts, everyone. Sharyl, I hope I'm the only one with 
a puncture wound. I don't know that for sure. I've felt around on Callie's 
neck, tail, and legs, and I haven't found anything yet, but I doubt that I'd 
know it if I were touching it. I wish there was something that could be given 
within 24-48 hours to prevent an FeLV infection, but I know of nothing like 
that.


Callie is not up on her rabies vaccine. She doesn't go outside, so my parents 
chose not to vaccinate her. Ember  is in the same boat. I'm not sure, but I'm 
hoping that this wasn't reported to the health department. That Callie could 
now be dealing with an FeLV infection is nightmarish enough.


On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either. 
 
 
Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine?  Since you went to the doc for abx 
you may get a call from the Health Dept.  I know I did when I went to the ER 
for treatment of an infected cat bite.  I had to agree to quarantine my cat 
for 10 days..
 
Sharyl


From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day


Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as 
well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got 
into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the 
room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like 
the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years 
old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for 
FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She 
also seems very healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic 
who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual 
concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after 
almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her 
diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Marcia
Lee, I love your attitude! My positive energy comes from the universe also(-: 

Take care
Marcia

Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:


On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I wouldn't worry too much, Lance. Sounds like you got the major part of the 
 beating and the two girls are probably laughing at you. Even if fur flew, 
 Callie has been around for a while, well fed, in good shape. In about 2 to 4 
 weeks you can test her. If negative, then pack up your worries. If positive, 
 she may throw it off. I have had 3 underweight, street adults who threw it 
 off. Make sure that finger doesn't get red and inflamed and make sure the 
 inflammation does not travel down your hand. Don't be shy about seeing a 
 doctor but don't tell it's a cat bite, because your doctor may feel obligated 
 to report the animal bite. If this happens, you will then have your animal 
 control on your back.  They could actually take away your two cats for 
 observation. Stupid things like that happen here in Texas. Sending positive 
 energy from the Universe. And hugs for the two contenders.
 
  
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
 
 
 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:53 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as 
 well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got 
 into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
 minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
 upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. 
 I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.
 
 Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
 the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
 find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
 our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
 the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
 rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
 didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 
 
 Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
 virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the 
 fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old 
 puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, 
 but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also 
 seems very healthy. 
 
 There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who 
 had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns 
 about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a 
 week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic 
 hernia.
 
 Please think of the two girls.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Christiane Biagi
I would worry less about the kitties than about you.  Just keep an eye on
that wound.  I've been bitten a number of times but both times I got bit by
my late great Little Boy, I ended up overnight in the hospital for iv
antibiotics.  Cats sometimes have a bacteria in their mouth which can be
very toxic to humans and my Little Boy had those buggers.  If you see a thin
red line starting up your arm, go to dr/hospital immediately.  They put u in
to give u iv antibiotics-oral won't work.  They asked me if cats had rabies
vacc and I said yes and that was that-never asked for proof or anything.  It
would have been more serious as far as Health Dept if it was a stray cat,
not one of my own.  But an inside, owned cat-I doubt they'll even relate.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

 

I wouldn't worry too much, Lance. Sounds like you got the major part of the
beating and the two girls are probably laughing at you. Even if fur flew,
Callie has been around for a while, well fed, in good shape. In about 2 to 4
weeks you can test her. If negative, then pack up your worries. If positive,
she may throw it off. I have had 3 underweight, street adults who threw it
off. Make sure that finger doesn't get red and inflamed and make sure the
inflammation does not travel down your hand. Don't be shy about seeing a
doctor but don't tell it's a cat bite, because your doctor may feel
obligated to report the animal bite. If this happens, you will then have
your animal control on your back.  They could actually take away your two
cats for observation. Stupid things like that happen here in Texas.
Sending positive energy from the Universe. And hugs for the two contenders.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 


  _  


From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day


Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as
well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got
into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the
room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to
find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to
our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought
the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits
rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie
didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like
the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years
old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for
FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She
also seems very healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic
who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual
concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after
almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her
diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo



Hi Lee,

 I am in no way claiming that I have the answer to this :). What I have put together from all my recent compulsive research _seems_ to be that while a cat tests negative, even though the virus may still be present, it is dormant, and not transmissible. Once they test positive, they are contagious. Take with a grain of salt.

I am also going through this dilemma. 18 months ago, all negative cats. Now, 2 are positive. And it remains to see if there will be more in the future.

sigh

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lee Evans <moonsiste...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jun 5, 2013 11:17 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 
I know that FeLv is infectious but I had two carrier cats who tested negative until they were old and had renal failure, then tested positive. However, if FeLv were so contagious their housemates would have been infected early on because everyone slept in a pile and groomed each other. After Tiger and Twerp passed away, I had the other 6 tested. No one was infected and each passed away from ordinary cat issues, usually renal failure. I really don't feel like one hissy fit between your cats will cause any permanent damage.


Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too!








From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:10 AMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day






Hi Lance,

 Have they ever been vaccinate against rabies? That's usually enough to allow a "home quarantine" if it even comes up.

 A little late (I'm sorry, I just got to this) but bathing the negative cat to remove any saliva or other bodily fluids might help prevent infection if it should happen again. Chances are Callie will be fine, FeLV is not that easily transmitted.

All the best,

Margo

-Original Message- From: Lance Sent: Jun 5, 2013 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Thanks for the good thoughts, everyone. Sharyl, I hope I'm the only one with a puncture wound. I don't know that for sure. I've felt around on Callie's neck, tail, and legs, and I haven't found anything yet, but I doubt that I'd know it if I were touching it. I wish there was something that could be given within 24-48 hours to prevent an FeLV infection, but I know of nothing like that.

Callie is not up on her rabies vaccine. She doesn't go outside, so my parents chose not to vaccinate her. Ember is in the same boat. I'm not sure, but I'm hoping that this wasn't reported to the health department. That Callie could now be dealing with an FeLV infection is nightmarish enough.



On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:



Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either. 

Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine? Since you went to the doc for abx you may get a call from the Health Dept. I know I did when I went to the ER for treatment of an infected cat bite. I had to agree to quarantine my cat for 10 days..

Sharyl




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Hi everyone,I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems very healthy. There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic 

Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans


 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a 
bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or 
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of 
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the 
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit 
you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal 
bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and 
was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the 
doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening 
Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The 
family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right 
behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he 
was determined to be a vicious dog, having
 bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the 
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, 
the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the 
bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 
weeks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo



Really good advice. When I worked for AC, we never confiscated that way, but I suppose it was an option. The only thing that stopped us cold was "it was a stray I tried to catch/pet/play with, and it ran away". We'd ask for a description, file a BOLO for it, and try to follow up,but basicallythat was that. However, that may bring up the question of rabies. Lee's right, with a family pet, all kinds of issues come into play. We have to understand that all Doctors are mandated reporters. They are legally obligated to report animal bites. In most cases it's not a big deal, but if they don't report that _one_ case, well, the results could be tragic.

Margo

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Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a "vicious dog". The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 weeks.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Beth
I think there has to be a bit more to that story. Usually they quarantine the 
animal.
They do need to know it was an animal bite, because they need to know how to 
treat it. But, yes, I would say it was a stray.


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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 




 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a 
bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or 
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of 
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the 
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit 
you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal 
bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and 
was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the 
doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening 
Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The 
family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right 
behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he 
was determined to be a vicious dog, having
 bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the 
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, 
the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the 
bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 
weeks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lance
Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
haven't gotten a call. Yet.

He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Beth
Like I said they usually just quarantine the cat. Sometimes that can even be 
house quarantine (you agree to keep the cat inside for X number of weeks),  of 
coarse she is already a house cat.
I got bit once by one of my cats.. The dr. said he was going to report it  he 
may have, but I never got any calls about it. I think it just depends on how 
overwhelmed your AC is.

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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
haven't gotten a call. Yet.

He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Christiane Biagi
I understand what you're saying but be very very careful w. cat bites.  The
potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your
arm is very high (and easily treated).  But if you wait too long, it can be
very very serious.  But that's for cats-dogs don't have that bacteria in
their mouth.  And if you say it's a stray cat that bit you, they may want to
give your rabies treatment.  

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

 

 

 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog
has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and
bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an
animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his
Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took
the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog
bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a
vicious dog. The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the
family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the
dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a
child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer
intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to
anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting
the bite lasted 3 weeks.

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neighbors too!

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo


Hi Lance,

  Unless the script says something about an animal bite, I'd just go 
get the cheap tetanus shot. Even then, I doubt anyone will think twice about 
it, they're usually way too busy to care why you need it. Tetanus anti-toxin is 
given for so many things G.

Margo

 


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From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
Sent: Jun 5, 2013 12:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
haven't gotten a call. Yet.

He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Beth
Good point about the strays, Christiane. They may want to give you rabies 
treatment. I've had lots of puncture wounds from cats,  the one  only time I 
went to the Dr. she said I probably had immunity since I've had so much 
exposure.
But really, it is not something you want to take lightly. I know vet techs who 
have almost died because they did not get treated right away.

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 From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 


I understand what you’re saying but be very very careful w. cat bites.  The 
potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your 
arm is very high (and easily treated).  But if you wait too long, it can be 
very very serious.  But that’s for cats—dogs don’t have that bacteria in their 
mouth.  And if you say it’s a stray cat that bit you, they may want to give 
your rabies treatment…  
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 
 
 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a 
bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or 
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of 
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the 
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit 
you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal 
bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and 
was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the 
doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening 
Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The 
family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right 
behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he 
was determined to be a vicious dog, having
 bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the 
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, 
the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the 
bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 
weeks.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo



Beth,

 I'm very glad you're still with us!! You've been exposed to rabies, and not been treated?

 I've had the pre-exposure series, butI sure wouldn't mess with it if I thought I'd tangled with apositive critter.g.

Margo

-Original Message- From: Beth <create_me_...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jun 5, 2013 3:26 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 
Good point about the strays, Christiane. They may want to give you rabies treatment. I've had lots of puncture wounds from cats,  the one  only time I went to the Dr. she said I probably had immunity since I've had so much exposure.But really, it is not something you want to take lightly. I know vet techs who have almost died because they did not get treated right away.Beth


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From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:16 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day






I understand what you’re saying but be very very careful w. cat bites. The potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your arm is very high (and easily treated). But if you wait too long, it can be very very serious. But that’s for cats—dogs don’t have that bacteria in their mouth. And if you say it’s a stray cat that bit you, they may want to give your rabies treatment… 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee EvansSent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day





Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a "vicious dog". The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 weeks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Beth
I've not been exposed to rabies as far as I know... I have been bitten by cats 
many times, though. Mostly from from my cats or cats at the shelter I volunteer 
at. None of them have ever been diagnosed with rabies. I didn't mean I have 
immunity to rabiesThe Dr. felt I probably had built up immunity to the 
bacteria in the cat's mouth. 
But cat bites are can cause serious problems outside of rabies.

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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 


 

 
Beth,
 
  I'm very glad you're still with us!! You've been exposed to 
rabies, and not been treated?
 
  I've had the pre-exposure series, but I sure wouldn't mess with 
it if I thought I'd tangled with a positive critter.g.
 
Margo
 
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Sent: Jun 5, 2013 3:26 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 


Good point about the strays, Christiane. They may want to give you rabies 
treatment. I've had lots of puncture wounds from cats,  the one  only time I 
went to the Dr. she said I probably had immunity since I've had so much 
exposure.
But really, it is not something you want to take lightly. I know vet techs who 
have almost died because they did not get treated right away.

Beth



 
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 From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day



 
I understand what you’re saying but be very very careful w. cat bites.  The 
potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your 
arm is very high (and easily treated).  But if you wait too long, it can be 
very very serious.  But that’s for cats—dogs don’t have that bacteria in their 
mouth.  And if you say it’s a stray cat that bit you, they may want to give 
your rabies treatment…  
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 
 
 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has 
a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or 
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of 
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the 
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit 
you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal 
bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and 
was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the 
doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening 
Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The 
family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right 
behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he 
was determined to be a vicious dog, having
 bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the 
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, 
the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the 
bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 
weeks.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo



Hi Beth,

 Well, I'mvery glad misunderstood G Yeah, cat bites are surely better avoided if possible. I'm pretty good at avoiding teeth, but the back claws someitmes sneak up on me. The only significant cat scarI have (knock on wood) is from a very unhappy black catnamed Athena. All I was tryinng to do was weigh her.

All the best,

Margo

-Original Message- From: Beth <create_me_...@yahoo.com>Sent: Jun 5, 2013 4:38 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 
I've not been exposed to rabies as far as I know... I have been bitten by cats many times, though. Mostly from from my cats or cats at the shelter I volunteer at. None of them have ever been diagnosed with rabies. I didn't mean I have immunity to rabiesThe Dr. felt I probably had built up immunity to the bacteria in the cat's mouth. But cat bites are can cause serious problems outside of rabies.Beth
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From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:49 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day






Beth,

 I'm very glad you're still with us!! You've been exposed to rabies, and not been treated?

 I've had the pre-exposure series, butI sure wouldn't mess with it if I thought I'd tangled with apositive critter.g.

Margo

-Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Jun 5, 2013 3:26 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 
Good point about the strays, Christiane. They may want to give you rabies treatment. I've had lots of puncture wounds from cats,  the one  only time I went to the Dr. she said I probably had immunity since I've had so much exposure.But really, it is not something you want to take lightly. I know vet techs who have almost died because they did not get treated right away.Beth


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From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 2:16 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day






I understand what you’re saying but be very very careful w. cat bites. The potential for a very tough infection in lymph nodes is if travels up to your arm is very high (and easily treated). But if you wait too long, it can be very very serious. But that’s for cats—dogs don’t have that bacteria in their mouth. And if you say it’s a stray cat that bit you, they may want to give your rabies treatment… 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee EvansSent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:35 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day





Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a "vicious dog". The family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he was determined to be a vicious dog, having bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 weeks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lance
Tetanus shot acquired. Now, back to worrying about Callie...

I wish there was something that could be given within the first few days after 
possible exposure, but I don't think there's anything like that. 

I know a lot of people have negatives around positives, but I'm guessing they 
usually don't jump on each other and bite. I can only suspect that Ember got in 
a bite or two when they were tumbling. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Beth
I seriously would not stress yourself too much, Lance. There was a hoarding 
case I worked with 20+ cats in an apartment. Several of the cats were FeLV+, 
but we quarantined the negatives  re-checked the 6 months later  they were 
still negative. The adults really do seem to have good immunity.

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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
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Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Tetanus shot acquired. Now, back to worrying about Callie...

I wish there was something that could be given within the first few days after 
possible exposure, but I don't think there's anything like that. 

I know a lot of people have negatives around positives, but I'm guessing they 
usually don't jump on each other and bite. I can only suspect that Ember got in 
a bite or two when they were tumbling. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lorrie
Lance,  Callie will probably be just fine. It takes a lot of exposure to
FelV for a cat to get it and grown cats mixed with FelV cats usually don't
become positive even without being vaccinated. It is kittens who are in
danger, as their immune systems are not well developed.

Lorrie

On 06-04, Lance wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as
 well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got
 into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a
 few minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got
 back upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from
 the room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.
 
 Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me
 to the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened
 to find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the
 doors to our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the
 cats fought the second time. I think Callie might have explored the
 normally off limits rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some
 clothes, and Callie didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea
 what happened.
 
 Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to
 the virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing
 like the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven
 years old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent
 vax for FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a
 kitten. She also seems very healthy.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lorrie
Hopefully you won't get a call, but it is always important to get a tetanus
shot. And because I rescue I keep Augmentin (the antibiotic of choice for
bites) at home.

Lorrie

On 06-05, Lance wrote:

 Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did
 ask me about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family
 cat, and explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported
 this, but I haven't gotten a call. Yet.
 
 He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at
 the office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5
 script, but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be
 willing to pay the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern
 that they'll interrogate me or take Callie away.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Margo



VBG

 I keep Clavamox,  which of course is the Veterinary version of 
Augmentin. Just more convenient :)

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Jun 5, 2013 6:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

Hopefully you won't get a call, but it is always important to get a tetanus
shot. And because I rescue I keep Augmentin (the antibiotic of choice for
bites) at home.


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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lance
Hi Lorrie and Beth,

I hope you are right. From our own experience, when FeLV came in (we still 
don't know who was the carrier), my cat tested positive after we euthanized an 
almost two year old cat for FeLV symptoms. When they had originally met, the 
kitten was four months old and Ember was two years old. 

Also in the house were several older males who didn't test positive and have 
never shown symptoms. One of them is still with us, and the others are gone for 
reasons unrelated to FeLV.

This doesn't keep me from worrying, though. It seems like a bite wound would be 
a much more efficient vehicle for the virus than grooming or all of the 
relatively unlikely paths (litter boxes and shared dishes). I don't know that 
Callie was bitten for sure, but the fight was very intense. 

I tend to ruminate on problems, and nothing I think or do is going to change 
the outcome at this point. I'm wondering about giving Callie something to boost 
her immune system, but for all I know, the nature of things might make that a 
bad idea. Anyway, thank you for your thoughts.

Lance

On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 Lance,  Callie will probably be just fine. It takes a lot of exposure to
 FelV for a cat to get it and grown cats mixed with FelV cats usually don't
 become positive even without being vaccinated. It is kittens who are in
 danger, as their immune systems are not well developed.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 06-04, Lance wrote:
 Hi everyone,
 
 I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as
 well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got
 into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a
 few minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got
 back upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from
 the room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.
 
 Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me
 to the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened
 to find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the
 doors to our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the
 cats fought the second time. I think Callie might have explored the
 normally off limits rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some
 clothes, and Callie didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea
 what happened.
 
 Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to
 the virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing
 like the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven
 years old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent
 vax for FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a
 kitten. She also seems very healthy.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Sharyl
It was the local county health dept that contacted me about doing a home 
quarantine of my house cat that bit me.  I had even taken a copies of her 
rabies shot with me when I went to the ER.
 
Sharyl
 


 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
  

Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
haven't gotten a call. Yet.

He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
Well, worrying will get you nowhere. It's not action, it's not practical. 
Forget the worry and just take her for a test in a couple of weeks. I doubt 
whether a hissy fit fight will cause anything but a big headache for you. At 
any rate, think about sitting and worrying for an hour a day. Does it do any 
good? 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Tetanus shot acquired. Now, back to worrying about Callie...

I wish there was something that could be given within the first few days after 
possible exposure, but I don't think there's anything like that. 

I know a lot of people have negatives around positives, but I'm guessing they 
usually don't jump on each other and bite. I can only suspect that Ember got 
in a bite or two when they were tumbling. 

Please keep the thoughts, prayers, wishes, and vibes coming.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lance
I totally agree, Lee. I've always been a worrier and I ruminate on concerns and 
problems. I'm pretty certain that none of that worrying has ever paid off. I 
will snap out of it the further I get from yesterday. 

On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Well, worrying will get you nowhere. It's not action, it's not practical. 
 Forget the worry and just take her for a test in a couple of weeks. I doubt 
 whether a hissy fit fight will cause anything but a big headache for you. At 
 any rate, think about sitting and worrying for an hour a day. Does it do any 
 good? 
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
I'm with Lorrie - keep Augmentin in your medicine cabinet for those occasions 
when you decide to put your hand between two snarling cats. I have done this 
stupid thing twice. Now I just hurl a pot of cold water into the fray and then 
mop the floor as the two go to their respective favorite spots to dry off. If I 
have to separate a couple of entwined rolling cats, I use a broom handle. I 
once just slammed a box over one cat. The other cat looked puzzled, then walked 
away. I held the boxed cat in place for about 5 minutes, then slowly lifted the 
box. He shook himself off and walked away too. If you interrupt their train of 
thought, their focus, the fight goes away if they are neutered/spayed cats. 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Hopefully you won't get a call, but it is always important to get a tetanus
shot. And because I rescue I keep Augmentin (the antibiotic of choice for
bites) at home.

Lorrie

On 06-05, Lance wrote:

 Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did
 ask me about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family
 cat, and explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported
 this, but I haven't gotten a call. Yet.
 
 He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at
 the office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5
 script, but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be
 willing to pay the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern
 that they'll interrogate me or take Callie away.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
We had a cat scratch (not bite) a vet tech. The stupid tech put her hand in the 
cage to drag the cat out and put him in a carrier for me to take home in spite 
of the fact that I had taped a sign on the cage saying: DO NOT HANDLE THIS CAT. 
THE RESCUER WILL PUT HIM INTO HIS CARRIER. I have a way with feral cats and the 
tech probably thought she was smarter than I am. Ha. It cost me $200 because 
they insisted on quarantine at a vet clinic that's certified to do quarantines 
when the public is bitten or scratched. Otherwise, they take the cat to the 
pound and kill him/her to examine for rabies.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 


It was the local county health dept that contacted me about doing a home 
quarantine of my house cat that bit me.  I had even taken a copies of her 
rabies shot with me when I went to the ER.
 
Sharyl


From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
haven't gotten a call. Yet.

He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread cerwin
Those are all good ideas. Thanks!

Chris C.


From: Lee Evans 
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

I'm with Lorrie - keep Augmentin in your medicine cabinet for those occasions 
when you decide to put your hand between two snarling cats. I have done this 
stupid thing twice. Now I just hurl a pot of cold water into the fray and then 
mop the floor as the two go to their respective favorite spots to dry off. If I 
have to separate a couple of entwined rolling cats, I use a broom handle. I 
once just slammed a box over one cat. The other cat looked puzzled, then walked 
away. I held the boxed cat in place for about 5 minutes, then slowly lifted the 
box. He shook himself off and walked away too. If you interrupt their train of 
thought, their focus, the fight goes away if they are neutered/spayed cats. 




Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!




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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-04 Thread Lee Evans
I wouldn't worry too much, Lance. Sounds like you got the major part of the 
beating and the two girls are probably laughing at you. Even if fur flew, 
Callie has been around for a while, well fed, in good shape. In about 2 to 4 
weeks you can test her. If negative, then pack up your worries. If positive, 
she may throw it off. I have had 3 underweight, street adults who threw it off. 
Make sure that finger doesn't get red and inflamed and make sure the 
inflammation does not travel down your hand. Don't be shy about seeing a doctor 
but don't tell it's a cat bite, because your doctor may feel obligated to 
report the animal bite. If this happens, you will then have your animal control 
on your back.  They could actually take away your two cats for observation. 
Stupid things like that happen here in Texas. Sending positive energy from the 
Universe. And hugs for the two contenders.


 
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too!






 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well 
as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into 
Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. 
I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the 
fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old 
puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, 
but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems 
very healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who 
had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns 
about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, 
and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

Lance 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-04 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Ouch, sounds rough!  
In my experience, the cats sometimes sound furious but that is part of the
working it out process.  Hopefully that was the second encounter.  Don't
beat yourself up.  You are doing well to take good care of your beloved
feline friends.
Keeping good thoughts for you all!
Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lance
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as
well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got
into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the
room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to
find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to
our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought
the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits
rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie
didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like
the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years
old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for
FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She
also seems very healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic
who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual
concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after
almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her
diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

Lance 
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