Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods-giving fluids

2008-07-20 Thread catatonya
I didn't find how to give fluids on this list, but I'll keep looking for new 
ideas.  One site said hang the bag from the ceiling with a hook.  that worked 
well, but I couldn't tell how much I was giving. lol.  I just gave them as long 
as he would let me and it looked like he had a nice 'bump'.
  t

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty 
sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's 
a page that shows how to clip a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff 
them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself.

earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually 
did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household 
clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i 
can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in 
a more logical way. 



  On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
His creat is 2.5.
   
  He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. 
Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier?
   
  Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here 
but me.

t

Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  
Tonya, you just do what you can do.  For a CRF kitty with a Crea 
value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate 
hydration.  Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake.  Set out 
lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink.  Mine love 
to drink from a bowl in the bath tub.
   
  For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm 
the fluids.  Never did and mine are fine with that.  But each kitty is 
different as to what they will tolerate.  Could you manage EOD (every other 
day).  
   
  In the end we do what we can and hope for the best.  Luckily I'm retired.  
Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom 
and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties 
don't get much attention right now.   And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily 
and am trying to set up a TNR program for.  
   
  Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority.  I'll say a prayer for both 
of them
  Sharyl

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM

Thank you so much Sharyl,
   
  I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps.  Both you and 
Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how 
many times a week do you think I should give them.  Daily is just not doable.  
I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take 
care of right now..  I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what 
I can do..
  t

Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest 
phos canned food they will eat.  Generally the target is less than 1% (dry 
matter).  Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels.
  http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm
   
  You vet should have several prescription renal foods.  Mine refused to eat 
any of them.  What is your kitty's phos level?  If it is over 6.0 you can add 
Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food.  It is a very effective 
phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats.  By adding the 
binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. 
 Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system.  Just 
gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there.  Here 
is a link to more info on binders.
  About Phosphorus Binders 
http://tinyurl.com/37nye 
  Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom.   Unfortunately most 
vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty.   Most will try 
to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos.  You can buy 
the aluminum hydroxide on line.   No Rx required.
   
  Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF.
  www.felineCRF.org
   
  The largest Yahoo CRF group is here.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/
   
  Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty.  Just like FeLV+ kitties it is 
critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt.  There 
is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
   
  Let me know if you need any other info.  Unfortunately my life had revolved 
around CRF kitties for the last  2 1/2 yrs. 
  Sharyl

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods-giving fluids

2008-07-20 Thread Wendy Griebel
You can also give fluids subcutaneously . Basically you would use a 
syringe and go just under the skin and inject sterile water. You can get 
the water at any grocery store. I have used this method before. You can 
do it about every hour to two hours. I did this with not only one of my 
kittens and two adult cats, but also with a 1 1/2 week old puppy. It can 
be tiring. Also there is a formula that I use to help them along.

One can of evaporated goats milk
One cup of PLAIN yogart ( do not use lowfat or flavored)
One egg yolk
Two teaspoons of karo syrup
Mix all together and and try putting it in a bowl for him. If he will 
not drink on his own then use a dropper or syringe to slowly give him 
some. My kitties seem to LOVE this formula, It is high in calories and 
will keep glucose levels up.

Wendy

catatonya wrote:
 I didn't find how to give fluids on this list, but I'll keep looking 
 for new ideas.  One site said hang the bag from the ceiling with a 
 hook.  that worked well, but I couldn't tell how much I was giving. 
 lol.  I just gave them as long as he would let me and it looked like 
 he had a nice 'bump'.
 t

 */MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and
 i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully
 someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to clip a
 cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them,
 and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself.

 earlier this year, winn feline foundation
 (www.winnfelinehealth.org http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/)
 actually did research on this technique, using a variety of
 commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out
 and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days,
 so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical
 way.



 On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 His creat is 2.5.
  
 He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles
 to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier?
  
 Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have
 anyone here but me.
 t

 */Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Tonya, you just do what you can do.  For a CRF kitty with
 a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally
 needed to maintain adequate hydration.  Add water to the
 canned food to increase his water intake.  Set out lots of
 bowls of water in various places to encourage him to
 drink.  Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub.
  
 For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to
 finish but I do not warm the fluids.  Never did and mine
 are fine with that.  But each kitty is different as to
 what they will tolerate.  Could you manage EOD (every
 other day). 
  
 In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. 
 Luckily I'm retired.  Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and
 Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4
 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy
 kitties don't get much attention right now.   And I have a
 dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR
 program for. 
  
 Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority.  I'll
 say a prayer for both of them
 Sharyl

 --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya /[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM

 Thank you so much Sharyl,
  
 I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it
 helps.  Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I
 should be giving fluids only once a week. how many
 times a week do you think I should give them.  Daily
 is just not doable.  I have 3 very sick cats, plus a
 sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of
 right now..  I know I'm making excuses, but I
 can only do what I can do..
 t

 */Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

 Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty
 is the lowest phos canned