Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

2009-10-21 Thread Sharyl
Hi Merlin,
You have already received lots of good advise.  I would not be concerned about 
the minimal casual contact Patches had at your friends house.  Most agree the 
virus only lives for minutes/hours outside the body.  

Many of us mix positives and negatives.  My negatives are vaccinated for FeLV 
and I have mixed them for almost 2 yrs.

I won't repeat what the others have said but please tell your friend it is not 
nearly as contagious as some vets say.
Sharyl  


--- On Tue, 10/20/09, mary (merlin) marshall merlinmarsh...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: mary (merlin) marshall merlinmarsh...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] new with questions
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 12:42 PM
 Hi,
 
 I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a
 stray calico and planned to get her spayed and adopted
 out.  We named her Patches.  Patches was spayed
 last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She tested
 negative.  We had her vaccinated with the basics,
 including FeLV.  Thursday night after her spay, she
 went to my friend's house to recover.  Patches was kept
 in a separate bed room with her own food and water dishes
 that hadn't been used by the house cats, her own litter box
 with fresh litter, and not allowed contact with the house
 cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about
 washing her hands between Patches and her cats.
 
 Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty
 who had been throwing up for a few weeks and now with
 depressed appetite, tested positive for leukemia.  This
 was the SNAP test.  I came and picked up Patches and
 took her to my house, where she is caged in my basement,
 separate from my cats.  Patches was at my friend's
 house for 5 days.
 
 Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia
 from the carpet, bedding and cat bed in those 5 days? 
 The room had been used as a foster room but in between was
 open so that Kitty could go in there if he wanted.  He
 also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should I continue
 to keep her separate from my cats and for how long?  Do
 I need to retest her at some point and when?
 
 My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia,
 except for Rusty who has not been vaccinated in about 5
 years.  Rusty was sick for 2 days after her first
 leukemia vaccination since I have had her.  She may or
 may not have been vaccinated at the shelter where I got her,
 so she has had at most 2 vaccinations, and maybe only one.
 
 As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster
 kitten.  She has had Kitty for a year and a half to 2
 years, and he probably was infected before she got
 him.  She never had any of her cats tested, I doubt
 vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One
 older cat was tested last spring when he was brought into
 the house and was positive for FIV only.  What are the
 chances the others are infected now?  Does it make a
 difference if it is a kitten or adult?
 
 This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us
 know that much about feline leukemia except that it is very
 contagious and bad.
 
 Merlin
 
 
       
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

2009-10-20 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Hey Merlin --

I saw your question over on feral_cats, but didn't realize you were this
frantic...

You've come to the right place for information and support. I came here for
advice about my own FeLV+ stray, also named Patches, and never left (my
Patches was already too sick when we found him, sadly. He was a great guy.)

Short answer, stop worrying. Under the circumstances you describe, it's
really unlikely that your Patches has picked up FeLV at your friend's house.
Also, it isn't as contagious as you fear. It is transmitted through contact
with infected cats almost exclusively, since the virus does not have a long
life outside the body. It's very likely that any bugs Kitty may have left
on bedding etc. are long dead.

The chances of your friend's other cats being infected may vary. Since Kitty
has been with her a while, chances are that anykitty that is likely to be
infected, by now is. It can depend on factors like the cat's general health.
My Patches had some accidental contact with our other house cats (brought
him inside at 3 a.m., quarantined him -- we thought -- in the back hall, he
scaled the 6.5 foot full screen door we use to keep the others out of the
basement, and I woke 3 hours later to hear him and one of the house cats
having a civil conversation in the FRONT enclosed porch room!) None of the
house cats have shown any sign of FeLV. None of them had ever been
vaccinated for it.

Tell your friend not to let a vet hustle her into any decisions she may
regret regarding Kitty or any of the others (you didn't mention this aspect
but it comes up often). A lot more is known now about FeLV, and it's not an
immediate death sentence. Many of the members on this list have kitties who
have lived with FeLV for many years. If your friend's vet suggests that
Kitty be PTS just because of the FeLV, she should look for a more
enlightened vet for him.

You'll get lots of good info here on diet, treatment options and the like --
Patches probably won't need these, but maybe you can encourage your friend
to join this list for help with Kitty.

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of mary (merlin)
marshall
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] new with questions

Hi,

I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a stray calico and planned
to get her spayed and adopted out.  We named her Patches.  Patches was
spayed last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She tested negative.  We had
her vaccinated with the basics, including FeLV.  Thursday night after her
spay, she went to my friend's house to recover.  Patches was kept in a
separate bed room with her own food and water dishes that hadn't been used
by the house cats, her own litter box with fresh litter, and not allowed
contact with the house cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about
washing her hands between Patches and her cats.

Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty who had been
throwing up for a few weeks and now with depressed appetite, tested positive
for leukemia.  This was the SNAP test.  I came and picked up Patches and
took her to my house, where she is caged in my basement, separate from my
cats.  Patches was at my friend's house for 5 days.

Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia from the carpet,
bedding and cat bed in those 5 days?  The room had been used as a foster
room but in between was open so that Kitty could go in there if he wanted.
He also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should I continue to keep her
separate from my cats and for how long?  Do I need to retest her at some
point and when?

My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia, except for Rusty
who has not been vaccinated in about 5 years.  Rusty was sick for 2 days
after her first leukemia vaccination since I have had her.  She may or may
not have been vaccinated at the shelter where I got her, so she has had at
most 2 vaccinations, and maybe only one.

As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster kitten.  She has
had Kitty for a year and a half to 2 years, and he probably was infected
before she got him.  She never had any of her cats tested, I doubt
vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One older cat was tested
last spring when he was brought into the house and was positive for FIV
only.  What are the chances the others are infected now?  Does it make a
difference if it is a kitten or adult?

This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us know that much
about feline leukemia except that it is very contagious and bad.

Merlin


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

2009-10-20 Thread Chris
You'll get a lot of good suggestion from folks on this board with tons of
experience.  I have some limited experience w. my Tucson who tested pos at
age 4 1/2 and with my Big Boy who I fed as a stray for a couple of years
before bringing him in and discovering he was positive.  Tucson is fine but
my Big Boy succumbed to cancer earlier this year.  

First off, take a deep breath!  Your friend should get Kitty with the IFA
test--that's a blood test sent out to lab.  If that comes back pos, it
confirms the SNAP test; if it does not, then you can't be certain about pos
status.

My Tucson lived with my 3 other cats (2 of whom came in as kittens after
her) for 3 years before she was diagnosed.  She had tested neg as a very
young kitten but that can happen if test is too early.  They ate out of the
same dishes,  used the same litter boxes, groomed each other, got into those
occasional scrapes, etc.  and none of them tested post.  I got them the FELV
vacc as a precaution only after Tucson tested pos.  The 2 vets I consulted
after Tucson's test both told me it was not as contagious as some of the
literature makes it out to be.  My 2nd vet has a good deal of experience 
had absolutely no problem with continuing to mix everyone  no problem w. my
integrating Big Boy into the household.  

Your friend should get the other cats tested  shouldn't assume they all
caught it.  Whoever is neg, she should vaccinate.  As for your situation,
the virus does not live very long in the air...  My guess would be that it
would be unlikely that Patches would have caught it from this indirect
casual contact.  You can have a snap test done if it will ease your mind.

Christiane Biagi

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of mary (merlin)
marshall
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] new with questions

Hi,

I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a stray calico and planned
to get her spayed and adopted out.  We named her Patches.  Patches was
spayed last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She tested negative.  We had
her vaccinated with the basics, including FeLV.  Thursday night after her
spay, she went to my friend's house to recover.  Patches was kept in a
separate bed room with her own food and water dishes that hadn't been used
by the house cats, her own litter box with fresh litter, and not allowed
contact with the house cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about
washing her hands between Patches and her cats.

Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty who had been
throwing up for a few weeks and now with depressed appetite, tested positive
for leukemia.  This was the SNAP test.  I came and picked up Patches and
took her to my house, where she is caged in my basement, separate from my
cats.  Patches was at my friend's house for 5 days.

Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia from the carpet,
bedding and cat bed in those 5 days?  The room had been used as a foster
room but in between was open so that Kitty could go in there if he wanted.
He also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should I continue to keep her
separate from my cats and for how long?  Do I need to retest her at some
point and when?

My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia, except for Rusty
who has not been vaccinated in about 5 years.  Rusty was sick for 2 days
after her first leukemia vaccination since I have had her.  She may or may
not have been vaccinated at the shelter where I got her, so she has had at
most 2 vaccinations, and maybe only one.

As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster kitten.  She has
had Kitty for a year and a half to 2 years, and he probably was infected
before she got him.  She never had any of her cats tested, I doubt
vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One older cat was tested
last spring when he was brought into the house and was positive for FIV
only.  What are the chances the others are infected now?  Does it make a
difference if it is a kitten or adult?

This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us know that much
about feline leukemia except that it is very contagious and bad.

Merlin


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

2009-10-20 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I agree with the others, stop worrying.  Guess many of us have been  
thru this, I certainly have. I remember putting tape at the bottom of  
a door to keep the pos cat from sniffing the neg, lol.  But- It's just  
not that contagious.  I got to the point where I mixed my pos with my  
neg, and no problems. I think in general, the vet research just hasn't  
been done  on FELV, so we're told it's contagious.


Gloria



On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:42 AM, mary (merlin) marshall wrote:


Hi,

I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a stray calico and  
planned to get her spayed and adopted out.  We named her Patches.   
Patches was spayed last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She  
tested negative.  We had her vaccinated with the basics, including  
FeLV.  Thursday night after her spay, she went to my friend's house  
to recover.  Patches was kept in a separate bed room with her own  
food and water dishes that hadn't been used by the house cats, her  
own litter box with fresh litter, and not allowed contact with the  
house cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about washing her  
hands between Patches and her cats.


Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty who had  
been throwing up for a few weeks and now with depressed appetite,  
tested positive for leukemia.  This was the SNAP test.  I came and  
picked up Patches and took her to my house, where she is caged in my  
basement, separate from my cats.  Patches was at my friend's house  
for 5 days.


Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia from the  
carpet, bedding and cat bed in those 5 days?  The room had been used  
as a foster room but in between was open so that Kitty could go in  
there if he wanted.  He also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should  
I continue to keep her separate from my cats and for how long?  Do I  
need to retest her at some point and when?


My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia, except  
for Rusty who has not been vaccinated in about 5 years.  Rusty was  
sick for 2 days after her first leukemia vaccination since I have  
had her.  She may or may not have been vaccinated at the shelter  
where I got her, so she has had at most 2 vaccinations, and maybe  
only one.


As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster kitten.   
She has had Kitty for a year and a half to 2 years, and he probably  
was infected before she got him.  She never had any of her cats  
tested, I doubt vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One  
older cat was tested last spring when he was brought into the house  
and was positive for FIV only.  What are the chances the others are  
infected now?  Does it make a difference if it is a kitten or adult?


This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us know  
that much about feline leukemia except that it is very contagious  
and bad.


Merlin





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Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

2009-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Six years ago I rescued a mommy, 2 teen cats and 3 kittens from outside. The
mom was about two (declawed but not spayed...grr) and the teens were less
than a year old. The foster mom kept the two teenagers. Several years later
she called to tell me one of the two she kept had tested positive for FeLV.
The other was negative. I know where the mom and kittens all went. They all
were and are still fine. The foster mom had six other cats in her
house...they are all fine.

Bottom line. I don't think we can ever be 100% sure that a cat won't test
positive at some point. My Squeaky's FeLV was suspected of being harbored in
his bone marrow. Thus, he was never sick even though he tested positive as a
teenager ( he was appr 12 yo). 

A friend has a sanctuary. One of their cats lived with the FeLV+ cats for 6
or 7 years. They thought he was positive. Since he never got sick they
tested (or retested) him. He was negative! and never got FeLV despite living
in one room with several feLv+ cats for all that time. He only recently died
of VERY old age.

Laurie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of mary (merlin)
marshall
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] new with questions

Hi,

I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a stray calico and planned
to get her spayed and adopted out.  We named her Patches.  Patches was
spayed last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She tested negative.  We had
her vaccinated with the basics, including FeLV.  Thursday night after her
spay, she went to my friend's house to recover.  Patches was kept in a
separate bed room with her own food and water dishes that hadn't been used
by the house cats, her own litter box with fresh litter, and not allowed
contact with the house cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about
washing her hands between Patches and her cats.

Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty who had been
throwing up for a few weeks and now with depressed appetite, tested positive
for leukemia.  This was the SNAP test.  I came and picked up Patches and
took her to my house, where she is caged in my basement, separate from my
cats.  Patches was at my friend's house for 5 days.

Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia from the carpet,
bedding and cat bed in those 5 days?  The room had been used as a foster
room but in between was open so that Kitty could go in there if he wanted.
He also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should I continue to keep her
separate from my cats and for how long?  Do I need to retest her at some
point and when?

My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia, except for Rusty
who has not been vaccinated in about 5 years.  Rusty was sick for 2 days
after her first leukemia vaccination since I have had her.  She may or may
not have been vaccinated at the shelter where I got her, so she has had at
most 2 vaccinations, and maybe only one.

As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster kitten.  She has
had Kitty for a year and a half to 2 years, and he probably was infected
before she got him.  She never had any of her cats tested, I doubt
vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One older cat was tested
last spring when he was brought into the house and was positive for FIV
only.  What are the chances the others are infected now?  Does it make a
difference if it is a kitten or adult?

This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us know that much
about feline leukemia except that it is very contagious and bad.

Merlin


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] new with questions

2009-10-20 Thread dlgegg
if you are really worried, have them all tested to put your mind at ease.  when 
i got my first felv positive (Annie), i tried for a ew days to keep her 
seperate, but everyone was miserable.  my vet said that as long as the others 
were negative and got their vacinnations for felv evrey year, all should be 
safe.  the others are still negative and Annie is as healthy as can be.  my 
newest NItnoy, is positive and so far, she is fat and sassy, showing no sign of 
illness.  dorlis
 Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 You'll get a lot of good suggestion from folks on this board with tons of
 experience.  I have some limited experience w. my Tucson who tested pos at
 age 4 1/2 and with my Big Boy who I fed as a stray for a couple of years
 before bringing him in and discovering he was positive.  Tucson is fine but
 my Big Boy succumbed to cancer earlier this year.  
 
 First off, take a deep breath!  Your friend should get Kitty with the IFA
 test--that's a blood test sent out to lab.  If that comes back pos, it
 confirms the SNAP test; if it does not, then you can't be certain about pos
 status.
 
 My Tucson lived with my 3 other cats (2 of whom came in as kittens after
 her) for 3 years before she was diagnosed.  She had tested neg as a very
 young kitten but that can happen if test is too early.  They ate out of the
 same dishes,  used the same litter boxes, groomed each other, got into those
 occasional scrapes, etc.  and none of them tested post.  I got them the FELV
 vacc as a precaution only after Tucson tested pos.  The 2 vets I consulted
 after Tucson's test both told me it was not as contagious as some of the
 literature makes it out to be.  My 2nd vet has a good deal of experience 
 had absolutely no problem with continuing to mix everyone  no problem w. my
 integrating Big Boy into the household.  
 
 Your friend should get the other cats tested  shouldn't assume they all
 caught it.  Whoever is neg, she should vaccinate.  As for your situation,
 the virus does not live very long in the air...  My guess would be that it
 would be unlikely that Patches would have caught it from this indirect
 casual contact.  You can have a snap test done if it will ease your mind.
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of mary (merlin)
 marshall
 Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] new with questions
 
 Hi,
 
 I've just subscribed.  My friend and I picked up a stray calico and planned
 to get her spayed and adopted out.  We named her Patches.  Patches was
 spayed last Thursday and tested for FIV/FeLV.  She tested negative.  We had
 her vaccinated with the basics, including FeLV.  Thursday night after her
 spay, she went to my friend's house to recover.  Patches was kept in a
 separate bed room with her own food and water dishes that hadn't been used
 by the house cats, her own litter box with fresh litter, and not allowed
 contact with the house cats.  I'm not sure how good my friend was about
 washing her hands between Patches and her cats.
 
 Monday afternoon, my friend found out that her cat Kitty who had been
 throwing up for a few weeks and now with depressed appetite, tested positive
 for leukemia.  This was the SNAP test.  I came and picked up Patches and
 took her to my house, where she is caged in my basement, separate from my
 cats.  Patches was at my friend's house for 5 days.
 
 Do I have to worry that Patches might have caught leukemia from the carpet,
 bedding and cat bed in those 5 days?  The room had been used as a foster
 room but in between was open so that Kitty could go in there if he wanted.
 He also sometimes slept in the cat bed.  Should I continue to keep her
 separate from my cats and for how long?  Do I need to retest her at some
 point and when?
 
 My own cats have been vaccinated annually against leukemia, except for Rusty
 who has not been vaccinated in about 5 years.  Rusty was sick for 2 days
 after her first leukemia vaccination since I have had her.  She may or may
 not have been vaccinated at the shelter where I got her, so she has had at
 most 2 vaccinations, and maybe only one.
 
 As for my friend, she has 4 cats, 2 kittens, and a foster kitten.  She has
 had Kitty for a year and a half to 2 years, and he probably was infected
 before she got him.  She never had any of her cats tested, I doubt
 vaccinated, and all of them have mixed freely.  One older cat was tested
 last spring when he was brought into the house and was positive for FIV
 only.  What are the chances the others are infected now?  Does it make a
 difference if it is a kitten or adult?
 
 This is heartbreaking news to both of us, and neither of us know that much
 about feline leukemia except that it is very contagious and bad.
 
 Merlin
 
 
   
 
 
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