Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
Wow, where do you live?!? That is freaking high!


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From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I think so, but that's the norm around here.  
 
$105 total blood panel
$225 IFA
$225 Western Blot
$34 urine test/cystocentsis
$17 fecal
$50 exam
 
I think I just figured out why I don't get to Hawaii much   ;)
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread Emeraldkittee
Chicago.  I need to move to get better kitty prices!

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 12:07 PM


Wow, where do you live?!? That is freaking high!


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From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

I think so, but that's the norm around here.  
 
$105 total blood panel
$225 IFA
$225 Western Blot
$34 urine test/cystocentsis
$17 fecal
$50 exam
 
I think I just figured out why I don't get to Hawaii much   ;)

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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread dlgegg
Do they have Care Credit in your area?  That is what I use.  Depending on the 
amount, you have 3, 6, 10 or 12 months to pay.  If you pay within the 
promoitonal period, you avoid interest charges.  Lot of times it is easier to 
pay $100 a month than $600 at one time.  

 Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I think so, but that's the norm around here.  
 
$105 total blood panel
$225 IFA
$225 Western Blot
$34 urine test/cystocentsis
$17 fecal
$50 exam
 
I think I just figured out why I don't get to Hawaii much   ;)

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From: W wendy2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:58 PM


Isn't $600 a bit expensive??? Wow!

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On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Natalie and everyone,
  
 I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
 needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group 
 and I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, 
 exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman 
 who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My 
 vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. 
 even with a donation.  
 
 --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM
 
 
 First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
 bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
 bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
 I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
 I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
 price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
 (unless it was an incompetent vet).
 I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
 definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
 not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
 sucking on fabric, etc.
 Natalie 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
  We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
 certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
 didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
 she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
 to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
 It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
 know about doing this.
  
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
 to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
 vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
  How can I best help...
  
 Thanks, I really

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread dlgegg
If he has issues with the carrier, try putting his bed or some familiar thing 
in first.  That might help him feel safer in the carrier.  My go in it, but I 
have 2 who say NONO all the way to the vet.  Only on the way home do they sit 
in silence.
 POTT wrote: 
 Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? 
 
 See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give 
 the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you 
 take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the 
 sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. 
 :-(
 
 Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you 
 like... (haha! Just kidding ;-))
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative 
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of 
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.  
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty 
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been 
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to 
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and 
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in 
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their 
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly 
 use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 
 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she 
 doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . 
 I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'.  It's not a 
 problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like 
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the 
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is 
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I 
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but 
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an 
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't 
 know about doing this.
  
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical 
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to 
 see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the vet 
 she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into 
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?  
 How can I best help...
  
 Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied 
 experience.  
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread Laurieskatz
Emeraldkittee, any update on the boy cat? I know you met him. Wondering why you 
felt it wasn't a match?

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 4:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: POTT, BEVERLY
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

If he has issues with the carrier, try putting his bed or some familiar thing 
in first.  That might help him feel safer in the carrier.  My go in it, but I 
have 2 who say NONO all the way to the vet.  Only on the way home do they sit 
in silence.
 POTT wrote: 
 Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? 
 
 See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give 
 the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you 
 take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the 
 sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. 
 :-(
 
 Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you 
 like... (haha! Just kidding ;-))
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative 
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of 
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.  
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty 
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been 
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to 
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and 
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in 
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their 
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly 
 use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 
 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she 
 doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . 
 I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'.  It's not a 
 problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like 
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the 
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is 
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I 
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but 
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an 
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't 
 know about doing this.
  
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical 
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to 
 see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the vet 
 she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into 
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?  
 How can I best help...
  
 Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied 
 experience.  
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread Emeraldkittee
He was a cutie pie, and I could see he was safe. I want to have him tested (IFA 
and Western Blot) since he's 6 and never had a problem - I'm doubting he's 
positive.  He does really seem like an only child type kitty too.  I am 
definitely still going to help out with him, and I haven't ruled him out.  The 
fosters I meet with always seem slightly put off by our space being 'just a sun 
room'.  We do have extra heaters out there, but it isn't as cozy as the rest of 
any house.  This lady was concerned about that.  She also mentioned her sister 
placing him in a home with a dog as a possibilty.  So, when I heard about this 
other kitty on death row, I had to do something.  I also still feel very very 
strongly about a one eyed kitty I met.  I just knew he'd be a good pal for 
Whimsy.  I was ready to take the only child one if he was truly in danger, but 
he's not. So complicated. :)  I'm also paying for more testing for another 
local kitty, who could
 be in danger of being put down.  Maybe I'm adjusting too, by going where I'm 
'most needed'.  I think it will sort itself out.  Thanks for asking :)  any 
thoughts welcome...

--- On Fri, 1/21/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: 'POTT, BEVERLY' p...@mailbox.sc.edu
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 9:22 PM


Emeraldkittee, any update on the boy cat? I know you met him. Wondering why you 
felt it wasn't a match?

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 4:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: POTT, BEVERLY
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

If he has issues with the carrier, try putting his bed or some familiar thing 
in first.  That might help him feel safer in the carrier.  My go in it, but I 
have 2 who say NONO all the way to the vet.  Only on the way home do they sit 
in silence.
 POTT wrote: 
 Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? 
 
 See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give 
 the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you 
 take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the 
 sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. 
 :-(
 
 Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you 
 like... (haha! Just kidding ;-))
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative 
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of 
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.  
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty 
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been 
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to 
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and 
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in 
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their 
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly 
 use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 
 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she 
 doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . 
 I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'.  It's not a 
 problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like 
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the 
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is 
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I 
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but 
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Emeraldkittee
yes, supposedly.  The person who got me in contact with her I have never met in 
person, but she helped me with my TNR/Colony, and she runs a respected group 
and is well known/respected by local vets.  I don't think she knows this lady 
well, but I might call and ask what the deal is.  Thanks :)

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 11:14 PM


So this woman is a rescue type person?  How did you come into contact? Wonder 
if any local rescues or shelters know of her. It is all odd, could just be 
emotional issues.

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On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.
 
 yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago.  She 
 gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again.  The 
 kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why 
 I really want to assess the situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of 
 the space we can provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got 
 misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet 
 several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the 
 kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood 
 sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; 
 I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here.
 --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM
 
 
 Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never
 heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed
 to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
 suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help
 someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go
 over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't
 work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The
 masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It
 sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if
 the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go
 to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate.
 Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
 L
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
  We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.
 
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
 certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
 didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
 she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
 to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'.
 It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
 
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
 first few conversations.
 
 Stating the obvious

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Emeraldkittee
Thanks, Heather.  I think your gut is pretty much on target.  this kitty needs 
help and maybe I can network to get him some help if she refuses mine.  I also 
noticed she expressed interest at another cat I mentioned seeing - she didn't 
say she'd adopt him but that she was thinking about him and 
'wondering '  This concerned me - if she's trying to place so many cats, 
she's considering to adopt herself?  The word horder crossed my mind, although 
she claims to have a managable amount at her home.  she mentioned someone else 
is trying to get her to take a cat and she 'didn't know'.  Thanks again, we'll 
see how it goes!!
--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:58 PM


I will write more when I can get to a computer but my gut (from a distance 
knowing far less than you so perhaps not entitled to a 'gut' on this:) is that 
yes, this woman has issues (or sometimes 'normal' people the issue is that they 
are too preoccupied with their own lives) and the cat needs help which will 
likely require someone just taking the cat asap.  I totally understand you may 
not be able to do that, sadly even many rescue people don't understand the 
importance of an IFA or what giving a home to and felv cat really entails. And 
'normal' people seeking help for a cat often aren't willing to do much and will 
make every excuse in the world why they can't.  Or perhaps she really is just 
kind of nuts, that is quite possible. Poor kitty:(

Thank you for caring enough to explore further. I've also seen rescue people 
say 'somethings not right--I'm out of this one, but those are likely often 
some of the situations where the animal really needs help. I may be way wrong 
though!  It is so hard to guess what the heck is up with people much of the 
time but getting away from crazy people/bad situations often seems to help the 
cats who the people claim are the ones with the problem (and they are, due to 
the people and all they've been through).

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.
 
 yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago.  She 
 gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again.  The 
 kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why 
 I really want to assess the situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of 
 the space we can provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got 
 misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet 
 several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the 
 kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood 
 sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; 
 I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here.
 --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM
 
 
 Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never
 heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed
 to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
 suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help
 someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go
 over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't
 work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The
 masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It
 sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if
 the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go
 to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate.
 Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
 L
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Natalie
First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
(unless it was an incompetent vet).
I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
sucking on fabric, etc.
Natalie 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
experience.  


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Laurieskatz
In a similar case I got my hands on the cat and never returned the cat. The
guy was furious with me but the cat was much better off. She was starved and
not altered. She came with six kittens. He called me about the kittens. I
asked about the mom and said I would pay to have her spayed but when I saw
her condition I did not return her. Had he pushed it, I would have filed
neglect or cruelty charges.

Please get that kitty asap. I, frankly, don’t' see any need for gathering
more information. You know the woman has issues and it sounds like the cat
does. They often go together. 

Even if he is a mess and has to be EU that is better than emotional
abandonment and living like he is. I hope you will get that kitty today,
even. If you  have to, take someone with you for support. I suspect that
kitty will bond to whomever takes him. All he wants is to be loved. I
believe he will be so grateful to just be loved. Kitties are so sensitive.
She probably emotionally terrorizes him. 

You can't trust her assessment. She does sound like a hoarder. You can
assess him once you have him. If you don't have other cats, I wouldn't even
bother with the testing. I would get him out of her possession however you
can and never return him. you can promise to do what she wants but you don't
have to do it. 
BEST INTERESTS OF THE CAT.

If you can't keep him, Contact Carmen at CW shelter in Nashua, IA (she is
on this list). She requires sponsorship and has other FeLV/FIV kitties.

God bless this kitty. I know I won't sleep well until he is safe.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

Thanks, Heather.  I think your gut is pretty much on target.  this kitty
needs help and maybe I can network to get him some help if she refuses
mine.  I also noticed she expressed interest at another cat I mentioned
seeing - she didn't say she'd adopt him but that she was thinking about him
and 'wondering '  This concerned me - if she's trying to place so many
cats, she's considering to adopt herself?  The word horder crossed my mind,
although she claims to have a managable amount at her home.  she mentioned
someone else is trying to get her to take a cat and she 'didn't know'. 
Thanks again, we'll see how it goes!!
--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Heather Wienker furrygi...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:58 PM


I will write more when I can get to a computer but my gut (from a distance
knowing far less than you so perhaps not entitled to a 'gut' on this:) is
that yes, this woman has issues (or sometimes 'normal' people the issue is
that they are too preoccupied with their own lives) and the cat needs help
which will likely require someone just taking the cat asap.  I totally
understand you may not be able to do that, sadly even many rescue people
don't understand the importance of an IFA or what giving a home to and felv
cat really entails. And 'normal' people seeking help for a cat often aren't
willing to do much and will make every excuse in the world why they can't. 
Or perhaps she really is just kind of nuts, that is quite possible. Poor
kitty:(

Thank you for caring enough to explore further. I've also seen rescue people
say 'somethings not right--I'm out of this one, but those are likely often
some of the situations where the animal really needs help. I may be way
wrong though!  It is so hard to guess what the heck is up with people much
of the time but getting away from crazy people/bad situations often seems to
help the cats who the people claim are the ones with the problem (and they
are, due to the people and all they've been through).

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.
 
 yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago.  She
gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again. 
The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which
is why I really want to assess the situation.  Now she isn't sure about the
size of the space we can provide- one day we're great

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread POTT, BEVERLY
Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? 

See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give 
the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you 
take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the 
sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. :-(

Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you like... 
(haha! Just kidding ;-))


-Original Message-
From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative 
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of 
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.  We've 
had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen 
a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, 
gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's 
behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never 
attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed 
perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their 
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly 
use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 
'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she 
doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I 
offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'.  It's not a problem 
with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like 
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the first 
few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is 
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I am 
going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why 
would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an 
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know 
about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical 
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to 
see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she 
originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have 
a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?  How can I best 
help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied 
experience.  


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Emeraldkittee
Hey Natalie and everyone,
 
I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and 
I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, 
fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman who 
referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My vet 
works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even 
with a donation.  

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM


First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
(unless it was an incompetent vet).
I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
sucking on fabric, etc.
Natalie 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
experience.  


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Laurieskatz
I'll help with $ if needed.
There's a way to do a chip in donation online.
Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think.
Do you know how to do that?
If not, I will send you a check.


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

Hey Natalie and everyone,
 
I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and 
I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, 
fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman who 
referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My vet 
works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even 
with a donation.  

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM


First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
(unless it was an incompetent vet).
I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
sucking on fabric, etc.
Natalie 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Here is the fundraising site
http://www.chipin.com/overview


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

I'll help with $ if needed.
There's a way to do a chip in donation online.
Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think.
Do you know how to do that?
If not, I will send you a check.


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

Hey Natalie and everyone,
 
I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and 
I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, 
fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman who 
referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My vet 
works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even 
with a donation.  

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM


First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
(unless it was an incompetent vet).
I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
sucking on fabric, etc.
Natalie 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread W
Isn't $600 a bit expensive??? Wow!

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On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Natalie and everyone,
  
 I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
 needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group 
 and I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, 
 exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman 
 who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My 
 vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. 
 even with a donation.  
 
 --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM
 
 
 First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
 bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
 bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
 I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
 I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
 price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
 (unless it was an incompetent vet).
 I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
 definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
 not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
 sucking on fabric, etc.
 Natalie 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
  We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
 certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
 didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
 she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
 to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
 It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
 know about doing this.
  
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
 to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
 vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
  How can I best help...
  
 Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
 experience.  
 
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Emeraldkittee
I think so, but that's the norm around here.  
 
$105 total blood panel
$225 IFA
$225 Western Blot
$34 urine test/cystocentsis
$17 fecal
$50 exam
 
I think I just figured out why I don't get to Hawaii much   ;)

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, W wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: W wendy2...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:58 PM


Isn't $600 a bit expensive??? Wow!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey Natalie and everyone,
  
 I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
 needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group 
 and I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, 
 exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman 
 who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My 
 vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. 
 even with a donation.  
 
 --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM
 
 
 First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
 bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
 bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
 I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
 I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
 price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
 (unless it was an incompetent vet).
 I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
 definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
 not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
 sucking on fabric, etc.
 Natalie 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
  We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
 certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
 didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
 she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
 to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
 It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
 know about doing this.
  
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
 to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
 vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
  How can I best help...
  
 Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
 experience.  
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-19 Thread Laurieskatz
Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed
to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help
someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The
masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate.
Please go get him and let us know what you find out. 
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
experience.  


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-19 Thread Emeraldkittee
thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.
 
yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years ago.  She gave 
the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the relative again.  The kitty 
doesn't get daily attention, since she doesn't live there, which is why I 
really want to assess the situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of the 
space we can provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got 
misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet 
several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the 
kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood 
sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; I 
know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here.  
--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM


Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed
to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help
someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The
masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate.
Please go get him and let us know what you find out. 
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
experience.  


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-19 Thread Heather Wienker
I will write more when I can get to a computer but my gut (from a  
distance knowing far less than you so perhaps not entitled to a 'gut'  
on this:) is that yes, this woman has issues (or sometimes 'normal'  
people the issue is that they are too preoccupied with their own  
lives) and the cat needs help which will likely require someone just  
taking the cat asap.  I totally understand you may not be able to do  
that, sadly even many rescue people don't understand the importance of  
an IFA or what giving a home to and felv cat really entails. And  
'normal' people seeking help for a cat often aren't willing to do much  
and will make every excuse in the world why they can't.  Or perhaps  
she really is just kind of nuts, that is quite possible. Poor kitty:(


Thank you for caring enough to explore further. I've also seen rescue  
people say 'somethings not right--I'm out of this one, but those are  
likely often some of the situations where the animal really needs  
help. I may be way wrong though!  It is so hard to guess what the heck  
is up with people much of the time but getting away from crazy people/ 
bad situations often seems to help the cats who the people claim are  
the ones with the problem (and they are, due to the people and all  
they've been through).


Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com  
wrote:



thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.

yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years  
ago.  She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the  
relative again.  The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she  
doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the  
situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can  
provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings. As  
far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several  
years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the  
kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid  
and blood sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles  
about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty  
here.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM


Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have  
never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be  
embarrassed

to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to  
help
someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I  
would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the  
carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor  
cat? The
masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or  
infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even  
know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted  
to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to  
cooperate.

Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't  
deprive them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you,  
with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the  
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of  
Emeraldkittee

Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying  
relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him  
because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own  
bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the  
kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has  
always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention  
because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room  
he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has  
been in

supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.

I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge  
of their

health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-19 Thread Heather Wienker
So this woman is a rescue type person?  How did you come into contact?  
Wonder if any local rescues or shelters know of her. It is all odd,  
could just be emotional issues.


Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=

On Jan 19, 2011, at 11:25 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com  
wrote:



thanks, Laurie, I appreciate you chiming in.

yes, he is neutered, he wandered into her yard fixed, many years  
ago.  She gave the cat to the relative, then a boyfriend, then the  
relative again.  The kitty doesn't get daily attention, since she  
doesn't live there, which is why I really want to assess the  
situation.  Now she isn't sure about the size of the space we can  
provide- one day we're great, the next day, she's got misgivings. As  
far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several  
years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the  
kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid  
and blood sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles  
about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty  
here.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM


Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have  
never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be  
embarrassed

to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to  
help
someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I  
would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the  
carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor  
cat? The
masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or  
infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even  
know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted  
to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to  
cooperate.

Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't  
deprive them

of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you,  
with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the  
traces

of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of  
Emeraldkittee

Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying  
relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him  
because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own  
bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the  
kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has  
always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention  
because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room  
he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has  
been in

supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.

I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge  
of their

health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that  
vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw  
blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her  
permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't  
know'.

It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.


When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't  
like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned  
the

first few conversations.

Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this  
person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that.  
BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation  
is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't  
lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but  
doesn't

know about doing this.

I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel  
I need
to see what's going on.  I got