Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-06 Thread catatonya
I will!  Thank you!

Alice hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hey, there is a new injectable 
antibiotic out called  Convenia. The vet gives one injection and it lasts for 
14 DAYS!! My little Miss Clara got it the last time, and she back to her old 
self and antics the very next day. She's hard to give meds to too. You should 
see if your vet can try that.Alice

 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:25:28 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?  Hey 
 Gloria,  We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I 
 start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for 
 days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different 
 vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried 
 zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day 
 for the entire time period. :(  Gloria Lane wrote: Hey Tonya, I might try 
 some Azithromycin. It's become my latest  discovery to try for the unknown. 
 I've used it mostly in cats/kittens  with problem eyes. I've read that some 
 abx are said to affect Herpes,  because of the relationship between the two 
 amino acids lysine and  arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that 
 might be a  deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you 
 have to  be able
 to squirt it in the mouth.  Good luck,  Gloria   On Nov 2, 2008, at 
7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:   thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the 
canned food. he's   been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny 
for at   least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't  
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-06 Thread catatonya
Thanks, but Sneaker won't even come in to eat when I offer treats until I leave 
the area.  There's no way I could make sure he got the treat with the pill in 
it.  I can't get him to come to any type of food with any regularity.  I put 
lysine into all the cats' wet food just trying to get some into him.  I never 
know if he eats any of it or not, because I also keep dry food in the basement 
for them, and he won't come eat in front of me.
  :(
  tonya

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  My secret pilling method is meat baby food (no onions or garlic).  I crush 
pills, dissolve the a cc of water and mix in a little baby food.  With liquids 
I just mix it in a little baby food.  Then I offer the baby food on a spoon or 
syringe feed it.  Most kitties love gently warmed meat baby food and think they 
are getting a treat.   
HTH
Sharyl

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From: catatonya 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:25 AM

Hey Gloria,

We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I
start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for
days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different
vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried zithromax
and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the
entire time period. :(





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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-04 Thread Sharyl
My secret pilling method is meat baby food (no onions or garlic).  I crush 
pills, dissolve the a cc of water and mix in a little baby food.  With liquids 
I just mix it in a little baby food.  Then I offer the baby food on a spoon or 
syringe feed it.  Most kitties love gently warmed meat baby food and think they 
are getting a treat.   
HTH
Sharyl

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:25 AM

Hey Gloria,
   
  We've tried it.  The problem is he's very difficult to pill.  When I
start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for
days...  He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different
vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape!  We have tried zithromax
and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day for the
entire time period.  :(




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-04 Thread Alice hanson
Hey, there is a new injectable antibiotic out called  Convenia. The vet gives 
one injection and it lasts for 14 DAYS!! My little Miss Clara got it the last 
time, and she back to her old self and antics the very next day. She's hard to 
give meds to too. You should see if your vet can try that.Alice

 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:25:28 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?  Hey 
 Gloria,  We've tried it. The problem is he's very difficult to pill. When I 
 start him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for 
 days... He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different 
 vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape! We have tried 
 zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day 
 for the entire time period. :(  Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey 
 Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest  discovery to 
 try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens  with problem eyes. 
 I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,  because of the 
 relationship between the two amino acids lysine and  arginine. The zithro is 
 more expensive, so that might be a  deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and 
 clinidamycin, so you have to  be able to squirt it in the mouth.  Good 
 luck,  Gloria   On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:   
 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's   been 
 exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at   least a year 
 now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't   know...  t   
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread Gloria Lane
Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest  
discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens  
with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,  
because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and  
arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a  
deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to  
be able to squirt it in the mouth.

Good luck,

Gloria


On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:

 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's  
 been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at  
 least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't  
 know...
  t

 Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I  
 was in
 college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know  
 there were
 not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
 antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was  
 never
 seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know  
 he was
 losing weight.

 Sally


 On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty  
 breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.  
 Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a  
 cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act  
 sicker if
 that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
 food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
 tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it  
 sounds
 like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye  
 discharge or
 anything.
 thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread Heather
A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach feels like the type of
accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it
to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still
be tested.

FIP is frequently misdiagnosed.   And yes, many cats carry corona virus
their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation
in the virus.

Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity)
usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's
eating, feels well, energetic, etc.

Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be
going on in case it's something else, too, of course.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and
 lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from
 replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter
 cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes
 it
 sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to
 test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last
 three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org.

 zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms
 of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the
 zithro...

 and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most
 cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it
 back
 in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller
 households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be
 wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive
 on
 CoV titres is at any one time--so the same sample won't necessarily do so
 the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much
 more
 likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds,
 who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7..

 as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there
 is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet),
 of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP,
 so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier
 might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question
 how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are.
 seems
 it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't
 want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find
 patterns.

 MC


 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest
  discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens
  with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,
  because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and
  arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a
  deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to
  be able to squirt it in the mouth.
 
  Good luck,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread MaryChristine
GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw
fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to.




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread Heather
good point, esp. w/regards to FIP, even some good vets don't know what
they are talking about.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:04 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread Saehwa Kang
About a year ago, stray calico kitty that we fostered, and found a great home 
for had such a bloated belly when we saw her, we thought she was pregnant! I 
thought she was 99.999% pregnant, that is how large her stomach was. We took 
her to a local vet, and they offered to do an ultrasound and palpitation. It 
turned out it the vet said some cats get that way after starving and not being 
able to eat regularly. She had presumably been dumped by someone in the area, 
and was very domesticated and sweet. She was checked for worms-- clear, FeLV 
and FIV- clear, and is the picture of health, being spoiled by her human up in 
Northern Cali.:)

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A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach feels like the type of
accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it
to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still
be tested.

FIP is frequently misdiagnosed.   And yes, many cats carry corona virus
their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation
in the virus.

Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity)
usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's
eating, feels well, energetic, etc.

Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be
going on in case it's something else, too, of course.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and
 lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from
 replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter
 cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes
 it
 sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to
 test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last
 three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org.

 zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms
 of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the
 zithro...

 and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most
 cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it
 back
 in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller
 households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be
 wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive
 on
 CoV titres is at any one time--so the same sample won't necessarily do so
 the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much
 more
 likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds,
 who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7..

 as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there
 is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet),
 of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP,
 so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier
 might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question
 how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are.
 seems
 it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't
 want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find
 patterns.

 MC


 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest
  discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens
  with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,
  because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and
  arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a
  deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to
  be able to squirt it in the mouth.
 
  Good luck,
 
  Gloria
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread dlgegg
no, not paranoid.  i at least call my vet when i notice something new and in 
this case, would probably take him in just to be sure.  better to go in and 
catch something in early stages than wait.  so people think you are nuts, that 
is their problem.  dorlis
 catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hi all,

   I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has 
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing, 
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is 
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway, 
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that 
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if 
 that's what it was?  I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food.  
 So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy.  Am I 
 being paranoid.  When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a 
 cold.  There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything.
   thanks in advance for any ideas.
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread catatonya
He's eating fine.  The problem is he's 12 years old.  Can cats 'harbor' fip 
like felv?
  tonya

Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Tonya,
I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago. She had a chronic
URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics. When
her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see
it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?) It quickly
became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit
like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced
spine. From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or
less? Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers
then that's a good sign.

Beth

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya wrote:

 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's been
 exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year
 now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know...
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread catatonya
That's why I'm thinking it's not fip.  This has been going on over a year (the 
breathing difficulty).  The weight gain only for a few months.  I would think 
he would have to show some other symptoms and be sicker than the breathing 
problem if it's fip, but he does have a fat belly.
  thank you!
  t

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, it isn't a matter of harboring FIP. FIP is a mutation of coronavirus,
which many/most cats, especially those who have been through kill shelters,
have been exposed to at one time or another. Most cats can carry
coronavirus throughout their lives with no ill effects. There is no way to
tell in which cats the virus will mutate. Cats who live in single cat
households generally clear the virus over time, with multiple cat
households.

Wet food does not typically cause weight gain, if anything it would cause
weight loss.

There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule
out FIP. Most vets do not know about it. If the cat does indeed have wet
FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think
a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread catatonya
great site. I'm going to assume if he's not got sicker over the past few months 
it must just be weight gain.  He is eating more because he likes the wet food 
better.
  thanks,
  t

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  Here's a link with a good explanation:

http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread catatonya
Hey Gloria,
   
  We've tried it.  The problem is he's very difficult to pill.  When I start 
him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for days...  
He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different vets) because he 
literally climbs the walls to escape!  We have tried zithromax and zenoquin and 
one other. but he never got them every single day for the entire time period.  
:(

Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest 
discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens 
with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, 
because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and 
arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a 
deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to 
be able to squirt it in the mouth.

Good luck,

Gloria


On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:

 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's 
 been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at 
 least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread catatonya
His belly feels 'tight' to the touch.  Can a cat keep an ongoing herpes 
infection that never worsens or improves much?

Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  A vet can usually tell if fluid in the 
stomach feels like the type of
accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it
to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still
be tested.

FIP is frequently misdiagnosed. And yes, many cats carry corona virus
their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation
in the virus.

Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity)
usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's
eating, feels well, energetic, etc.

Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be
going on in case it's something else, too, of course.


   
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread dlgegg
i don't know if they have something like this for the antibiotics he is 
getting, but my vet gave Annie an injection that lasts for 2 weeks.  she also 
is difficult to pill, give liquids and is super good at hiding.  she can get 
lost in our house very easy.  my Snuggles also hated pills, liquids, any kind 
of meds.  he used every weapon in his arsenal and had no problems with biting, 
scratching me to avoid them.  once, he got a grass seed lodged in his lung, 
almost died and had to be put on oxygen for couple of days   the vet gave him 
shots those days, but sent him home with horse size pills to be given every 
day.  after 1 day, ended up going to vet every day for shots.  that way, i did 
ot have to get a transfusion every day.  dorlis
 catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hey Gloria,

   We've tried it.  The problem is he's very difficult to pill.  When I start 
 him on antibiotics he runs and hides and I can't catch him for 
 days...  He has escaped at the vet's office twice (at two different 
 vets) because he literally climbs the walls to escape!  We have tried 
 zithromax and zenoquin and one other. but he never got them every single day 
 for the entire time period.  :(
 
 Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin. It's become my latest 
 discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens 
 with problem eyes. I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes, 
 because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and 
 arginine. The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a 
 deterrent. IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to 
 be able to squirt it in the mouth.
 
 Good luck,
 
 Gloria
 
 
 On Nov 2, 2008, at 7:49 PM, catatonya wrote:
 
  thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food. he's 
  been exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at 
  least a year now... we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't 
  know...
  t
 
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread dlgegg
sounds like he is Snuggles reincarnated.  good luck with him.  will pray for 
you both, YOU will need it.  dorlis
 catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 It doesn't feel like it's fluid.  It doesn't sound like there's any fluid 
 when he listened to his chest the last time. (I was thinking asthma or chf at 
 that time).  I just don't want to take him to the vet anymore.  I don't see 
 him for weeks after a vet visit. :(
   t
 
 MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw
 fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread catatonya
It doesn't feel like it's fluid.  It doesn't sound like there's any fluid when 
he listened to his chest the last time. (I was thinking asthma or chf at that 
time).  I just don't want to take him to the vet anymore.  I don't see him for 
weeks after a vet visit. :(
  t

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  GOOD vets can tell if the fluid feels like FIP, and GOOD vets will draw
fluid. i no longer presume that a vet is good without reason to.




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Sally Davis
Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in
college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were
not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never
seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was
losing weight.

Sally


On 11/2/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if
 that's what it was?  I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
 food.  So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
 tummy.  Am I being paranoid.  When he breathes through his nose it sounds
 like he has a cold.  There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or
 anything.
 thanks in advance for any ideas.
 tonya




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread catatonya
thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's been exposed 
to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year now... 
we've done antibiotics twice. i just don't know...
  t

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in
college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were
not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never
seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was
losing weight.

Sally


On 11/2/08, catatonya wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know many of you have had experience with fip. My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.) he has difficulty breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail. And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything. Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly. Would a cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time? Wouldn't he act sicker if
 that's what it was? I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
 food. So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
 tummy. Am I being paranoid. When he breathes through his nose it sounds
 like he has a cold. There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or
 anything.
 thanks in advance for any ideas.
 tonya




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
Hi Tonya,
I lost one 12 week old to suspected wet FIP 2 years ago.  She had a chronic
URI and began having fevers that stopped responding to antibiotics.  When
her belly very first started to swell I noticed it, but the vet couldn't see
it (or perhaps didn't want me to worry too much prematurely?)  It quickly
became obvious, (swayed, stuck out to the sides, hung way down, felt a bit
like a water balloon) and was accompanied by anorexia and a very pronounced
spine.  From the first signs of swelling to the end was maybe 3 weeks or
less?  Hope sneakers is ok, if he's still eating good and no fevers
then that's a good sign.

Beth

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:49 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 thanks. maybe he's just gaining weight from the canned food.  he's been
 exposed to no new cats and has been breathing funny for at least a year
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Kelley Saveika
Well, it isn't a matter of harboring FIP.  FIP is a mutation of coronavirus,
which many/most cats, especially those who have been through kill shelters,
have been exposed to at one time or another.  Most cats can carry
coronavirus throughout their lives with no ill effects.  There is no way to
tell in which cats the virus will mutate.  Cats who live in single cat
households generally clear the virus over time, with multiple cat
households.

Wet food does not typically cause weight gain, if anything it would cause
weight loss.

There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule
out FIP.  Most vets do not know about it.  If the cat does indeed have wet
FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think
a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is
wrong.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:02 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

  I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has
 chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing,
 but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is
 semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway,
 I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that
 is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if
 that's what it was?  I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet food.
  So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT tummy.  Am I
 being paranoid.  When he breathes through his nose it sounds like he has a
 cold.  There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or anything.
  thanks in advance for any ideas.
  tonya




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
I think it's called Rivalta's test?

Beth

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:38 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 There is a test which MC will probably remember the name of that can rule
 out FIP.  Most vets do not know about it.  If the cat does indeed have wet
 FIP, the prognosis is very poor and the time frame is short, but I do think
 a lot of vets use FIP as a diagnosis when they don't really know what is
 wrong.



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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Kelley Saveika
That's it - thanks!

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think it's called Rivalta's test?

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-02 Thread Beth Noren
Here's a link with a good explanation:

http://marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html

Beth  :o)

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's it - thanks!

 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I think it's called Rivalta's test?
 
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