Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Natalie
Please DO  NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be
just fine!

Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It's a lot different than FeLV

I can guarantee that they will be fine.

DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed!

I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if
that's OK!

I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!

 

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Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

 

Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??

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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread katskat1
There is NO WAY these kittens need to be aborted if it is FIV - not
even if he was FeLV+ !  Way too late to do it safely for momma and
each kitten would have to be killed individually.  This vet has some
very questionable ideas  They should be find, momma should be
fine.  Get her 'fixed' after the kittens are weaned.

On 10/3/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Please DO  NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be
 just fine!

 Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It's a lot different than FeLV

 I can guarantee that they will be fine.

 DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed!

 I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if
 that's OK!

 I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp



 Hi
 i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested
 positive for feline aids
 i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
 The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
 Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??



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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread john pollack
i am on catster. do you mind if i send this post to a friend in califonia. they 
have a FIV+ cat, and know a lot about FIV



From: Natalie lt;at...@optonline.netgt;
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Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp


Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
fine!
Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLV
I can guarantee that they will be fine.
DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if 
that’s OK!
I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!
 
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 
Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??
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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread quinn gardner

That would be great,thank you for the info
the vet said i had to do this and its best for my cat
but i felt extremly on edge as she is nearly due.
But the vet made me feel theres no other way

Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:28:49 -0400
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp



Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
fine!Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLVI can 
guarantee that they will be fine.DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be 
taken out and killed!I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you 
personally later, if that’s OK!I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies 
were ALL fine! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??
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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Edna Taylor

FIV is a non-issue and there is no guarantee that either the Mom or babies 
contracted FIV from the male.  We had two outside ferals and the male had FIV, 
the female was pregnant when we caught her and had her fixed, she tested 
negative and after living outside with Charlie for a year (he went missing this 
past summer and we brought SuzieQ inside), she tested negative when we brought 
her inside.  Besides, even cats WITH FIV live a long and healthy life and the 
chances of giving it to another cat (if they are all fixed) is very slim.  FIV 
is INFECTIOUS, not contagious, big big difference.  You don't catch HIV from 
living with someone with HIV, only through blood and bodily fluids, same thing 
with FIV.

Edna
 



Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 06:39:41 -0700
From: bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

i am on catster. do you mind if i send this post to a friend in califonia. they 
have a FIV+ cat, and know a lot about FIV




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp







Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
fine!
Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLV
I can guarantee that they will be fine.
DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if 
that’s OK!
I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 

Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??
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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread quinn gardner

that would be greaat

From: taylore...@msn.com
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:06:27 -0500
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FIV is a non-issue and there is no guarantee that either the Mom or babies 
contracted FIV from the male.  We had two outside ferals and the male had FIV, 
the female was pregnant when we caught her and had her fixed, she tested 
negative and after living outside with Charlie for a year (he went missing this 
past summer and we brought SuzieQ inside), she tested negative when we brought 
her inside.  Besides, even cats WITH FIV live a long and healthy life and the 
chances of giving it to another cat (if they are all fixed) is very slim.  FIV 
is INFECTIOUS, not contagious, big big difference.  You don't catch HIV from 
living with someone with HIV, only through blood and bodily fluids, same thing 
with FIV.


Edna
 




Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 06:39:41 -0700
From: bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

i am on catster. do you mind if i send this post to a friend in califonia. they 
have a FIV+ cat, and know a lot about FIV




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp







Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
fine!
Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLV
I can guarantee that they will be fine.
DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if 
that’s OK!
I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 

Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??
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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Natalie
In the past 19 years of cat rescue, I must have taken care of at least one
FIV+ mother each year, if not more!

Some mothers were so far along with their illness, with the stress of being
pregnant, giving birth, trying to provide for kittens, that they soon died
after nursing them.  Others stayed with me forever, some were adopted, lived
a long and happy, healthy life.  Kittens were spot-checked only, because all
kittens born to FIV+ mothers would show to be somewhat positive (a small
blue dot on the large area that would turn blue for an adult positive cat).
As their immune systems develop, they shed it completely!  For some kittens
it can take a month, to some a little longer - not a single kitten, EVER,
was FIV+.  There's also no indication that your cat mother cat is positive -
was she tested, and when?  If she were tested too soon after exposure, she
would be negative, but that doesn't mean that sometime in the future, she
wouldn't be positive.  It all depends on the timing. Just make sure that she
gets plenty of good quality food, good supplements, especially now and while
nursing kittens. I find that pregnant cats can eat about 2-3 cans a day, and
that increases to 4 cans a day when they are nursing.

I cannot believe your vet  FIV has been around for so long, it's
inexcusable that there's so much misinformation.  

In NY City, they just killed 3 5-week old kittens that tested positive for
FIV - who are these people?

 

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Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

 

that would be greaat

  _  

From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:06:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

FIV is a non-issue and there is no guarantee that either the Mom or babies
contracted FIV from the male.  We had two outside ferals and the male had
FIV, the female was pregnant when we caught her and had her fixed, she
tested negative and after living outside with Charlie for a year (he went
missing this past summer and we brought SuzieQ inside), she tested negative
when we brought her inside.  Besides, even cats WITH FIV live a long and
healthy life and the chances of giving it to another cat (if they are all
fixed) is very slim.  FIV is INFECTIOUS, not contagious, big big difference.
You don't catch HIV from living with someone with HIV, only through blood
and bodily fluids, same thing with FIV.

Edna
 

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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 06:39:41 -0700
From: bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

i am on catster. do you mind if i send this post to a friend in califonia.
they have a FIV+ cat, and know a lot about FIV

  _  

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

Please DO  NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be
just fine!

Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It's a lot different than FeLV

I can guarantee that they will be fine.

DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed!

I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if
that's OK!

I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

 

Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??


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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Christiane Biagi
The decision is not an easy one.  She is just about due to deliver and you
need to consider the risk to her, as well as kittens, of an abortion at this
stage.  But you should know a few things about FIV:

. The male cat would not likely have given her FIV when he got her
pregnant-deep bite wounds are the most common form of transmission

. Even if your cat was FIV positive, she would not pass it on to her
kittens.  Virus does not cross placenta barrier

. However, kittens born to an FIV pos mom oftentimes test positive
for FIV.  They get their mom's antibodies and since test used relies on
presence of antibodies, they'll show as positive.  NO new kittens can ever
have FIV but it may be many months before their mom's antibodies leave their
system and during those months they'll test positive

. Cats who are vaccinated for FIV always test positive (again
because test looks for antibodies)-not a particularly effective vaccine 
the risk of the cat being mislabeled as FIV pos is too great

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

 

Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??

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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Lynda Wilson
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  From: Natalie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp


  Please DO  NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
fine!

  Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It's a lot different than FeLV

  I can guarantee that they will be fine.

  DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed!

  I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if 
that's OK!

  I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!

   

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

   

  Hi
  i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
positive for feline aids
  i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
  The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
  Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??



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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Marcia
Some of the vets out there should be on this list. They would learn a LOT 
Listen to the people here, you won't regret it(-:

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2011, at 9:56 AM, quinn gardner gutterball_qu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 That would be great,thank you for the info
 the vet said i had to do this and its best for my cat
 but i felt extremly on edge as she is nearly due.
 But the vet made me feel theres no other way
 
 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:28:49 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 
 Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
 fine!
 
 Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLV
 
 I can guarantee that they will be fine.
 
 DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
 
 I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if 
 that’s OK!
 
 I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!
 
  
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
 Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 
  
 
 Hi
 i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
 positive for feline aids
 i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
 The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
 Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??
 
 
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2011-10-03 Thread terrie

I'll be forward and blunt on this as I'm running late and wanted to respond to this!
Do not abort the babies!
Itwill be hard and dangerous on mom at this stage of her pregnancy.
This is a bunch of bullcrap from that Vet.Also means more money for the Vet's office or something that is not an emergency.
Find another Vet for your kitty's care!

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 Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelpFrom: quinn gardner gutterball_qu...@hotmail.comDate: Mon, October 03, 2011 7:56 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


That would be great,thank you for the infothe vet said i had to do this and its best for my catbut i felt extremly on edge as she is nearly due.But the vet made me feel theres no other way


Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:28:49 -0400From: at...@optonline.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp



Please DO NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just fine!
Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV! It’s a lot different than FeLV
I can guarantee that they will be fine.
DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if that’s OK!
I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!



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2011-10-03 Thread Peggy Riley
I agree with all the others! DO NOT ABORT! Just have all the kittens and mom
tested when they are old enough and go from there!
I bet they will be all negative and able to go to a new home to have a great
long life!



2011/10/3 ter...@tazzys.org

  I'll be forward and blunt on this as I'm running late and wanted to
 respond to this!
 Do not abort the babies!
 It will be hard and dangerous on mom at this stage of her pregnancy.
 This is a bunch of bullcrap from that Vet.
 Also means more money for the Vet's office or something that is not an
 emergency.
 Find another Vet for your kitty's care!

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  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 From: quinn gardner gutterball_qu...@hotmail.com
 Date: Mon, October 03, 2011 7:56 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 That would be great,thank you for the info
 the vet said i had to do this and its best for my cat
 but i felt extremly on edge as she is nearly due.
 But the vet made me feel theres no other way

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 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:28:49 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

  Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be
 just fine!
 Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLV
 I can guarantee that they will be fine.
 DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
 I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if
 that’s OK!
 I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!

  *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [
 mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 *On Behalf Of *quinn gardner
 *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

  Hi
 i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested
 positive for feline aids
 i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
 The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
 Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??

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