Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)
Tad, I have been in contact with a woman who lives in the next county over from this place and has personal experience with the case. The facts are, I have been sending outthe info that possible foster homes may be neededsince I first heard about the case,but nothing can be done until they get the cats released from Rehnee Harvey's care. Another TN shelter was just recently shut down too, so this is not the only TN shelter desperately needing foster homes at this time. Trust me, I know about the overpopulation problems in Tennessee, I used to live there, and all my family still does. The fact is, we can't make foster arrangements UNTIL we know we will be getting the cats out of there, and in order to do that, we need people to call and urge a quick resolution to the case. I can help with transportation arrangements, BUT ONLY AFTER I know what needs to be transported, and that can't happen until this place gets opened up and the cats get removed. I don't know why you seem so bent on the idea that since the photo quality is not the best that this doesn't exist, you can CLEARLY see the feces and filth and dead cats in the photos. Are you just going through denial? Trust me, as soon as the sheriff makes an official statement, I will post it to this group. The truth is, until the case breaks open, and the legal measures are taken to allow access to the property, then there wont be any proof other than the good Samaritan who risked his/her safety to get those photos. The woman I am in contact with in the area has said that Rehnee has approached her and threatened to kill her if she goes anywhere near her property, so at this point, all anyone can do is wait for the officials to make their move. PRESSURE THEM TO DO IT SOON! AFTER that happens, then I will go into the next phase of soliciting donations for FELV testing, and trying to find foster homes and arranging transportation. The thing that is going to be the hardest with this case, I think, is the fact that the FELV+ cats have had full access to all other cats, and now, for most rescues to accept any of them, they will all have to be tested, a very expensive task to undertake. That leaves all the FELV/FIV positive ones still needing to be placed in a sanctuary that accepts them. Sadly, if their original owners are not found (and there is a network in place trying to do this), many of them may end up being euthanised because it is unlikely we will be able to find the positive cats anywhere else to go (like you said, it will be hard enough to find the negative cats places to go). So, yes, if anyone can take a positive cat, keep your eyes on my updates, because there will most likely be a need for foster/adoptive homes for them. I know some of you have recently lost a cat. Maybe you guys could find it in your heart to take in one of these, since you now have an empty space? (I know that sounds harsh, but I couldn't think of any other way to phrase it, sorry guys) I am doing everything I can from my end, Tad. I take offense in the fact that you seem to be criticizing me in a way, when you are doing NOTHING to save anything. I have gathered info, done some networking, and am keeping up with current updates for the online communities that are involved. The fact that you make light of, and even criticize my efforts to help, does not garner any respect towards you from me. I'm about a half a step away from blocking your address so I don't have to read anymore of your negativity. Try to open your mind a little bit, and not be such a critic. It's not good for your health. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Jenn Are you offering the safe environment and transportation for these catsYou seem quit knowledgeable but don't you know that a safe environment in these parts of the country means PTS I don't know where you got your information that these cats are suffering so much...Please give me the details other than the word of some amateur photographer and a throw away cameraTad No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)
Jenn You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked at...I don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is anybody livibg there or have they been abandoned??? I would think those inside pictures would be enough to show to a local official and with rescue onboard, cages in hand get a sherif escorted visit... The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters etc. on something that I have to take somebody elses word on unless I know that person very well personaly...By those pictures they should be able to handel the problem localy... And even here in VT they have a very active feral program to support a number of cats that live outdoors through our -30 degree winter nights .. And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats are moving to ski country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder weather next winter too... Tad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not mean to say you are doing nothing to save cats in general, I meant you are doing nothing in THIS case, sorry if I wasn't clear. I know you do alot in other cases. They are ALREADY dying AT this place http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/deadinyard.jpg, so saying that you wont support the actions unless you are sure no death will come of it doesn't really make much sense (death is coming of it IF we do nothing). You MUST not have looked at ALL of the photos Tad, the lush country side you speak of is a small consolation for the ones INSIDE in THIS: http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/floor.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/bagscoffeetable.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/kitchen.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/fecescat.jpg(look there, feces in the food) And this is the lush countryside? http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/watersupply.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/yard.jpg This cat is DRINKING that water! http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/dump.jpg The rescue that is working with Ms. Harvey (she's already turned over 6 cats voluntarily) is working very hard to be there when it all goes down, to try to save these cats from going intothe hands of the cityanimal control. Unlike you, I do not believe that it is humane to let cats fend for themselves with minimal shelter and food, they are domesticated animals, and I feel they require a clean and safe living enviroment to thrive. Even minimal shelter is questionable in this case, it must REEK of ammonia inside that trailer that serves as their "shelter"! Cats have very sensitive respiratory tracts, and being forced to find refuge in filth that reeks of ammonia is very bad for them. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ Jenn Please don't say I am doing nothingTrue..I am doing nothing on getting someone that may be doing a lot more than you are to save cats from be ing shut down I asked for the proof that these cats were sufferingThey may have a couple junk piles but that has little to do on how the cats are being cared for...In the lush country side shown in the pictures most cats could survive quit well on their own and just having some very minimul shelter and care is far better than being rounded up and pronounced too sick to save and being PTS the same day...No time to get any rescue in to save them unless like the nuns the rescue goes in with the sherif and does the seizure...There just isn't room for these cats to remain alive at an instance notice... I just don't think writing a bunch of letter to officials complaining is going to bring a happy ending to these catsOver and over again if you follow up a seizure most of the animals are PTS the same day And by the way..as far as doing nothing...Remember those 3 FeLV+ cats you were going to take from NJ if you could set up transportation...Well..It so happened that I had taken in an FeLV+ from a few miles away down there just a month before...The same transport that I used was readily still available and I was going to take the remaining 2 positives...Fortunately the hole mess was taken care of locally... Yes...In the last 6 months I have lost 3 cats...But I have taken in 2 seniors left at my vets office to be PTS becouse our local no kill shelter had no room for them...And we don't even have a big problem here in VT...Also The shelter called me and asked if I could take a beautiful long haired buff colored cat that had be brought in stray...His ears half gone from frost bite...and FeLV+Probably some students kitten that grew up and got put outside at Green Mountain Collage... My vet bills and food bills are well over $400 a month for my 27 rescue cats and it all comes out of my pocket... But you are right...I will not write letters to a sherif 1000 miles away
Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)
I believe, that the lady lives in a separate trailer on the same property and that this was the "cat trailer" but I could be mistaken on that, as I never actually asked that question. I can certainly find out, but my contact is out of touch until Sunday, so it will be a couple of days. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked at...I don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is anybody living there or have they been abandoned??? I would think those inside pictures would be enough to show to a local official and with rescue onboard, cages in hand get a sheriff escorted visit... The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters etc. on something that I have to take somebody else's word on unless I know that person very well personally...By those pictures they should be able to handle the problem locally...And even here in VT they have a very active feral program to support a number of cats that live outdoors through our -30 degree winter nights ..And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats are moving to ski country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder weather next winter too...Tad No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)
It's too bad she couldn't be forced to turn over the property, and then maybe instead of confiscating the cats money could be raised to clean up the property, build a 'barn' there and keep it as a decent sanctuary I think it did say she had put up cat fencing around the perimeter of the property, so the cats are fenced in. tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jenn You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked at...I don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is anybody livibg there or have they been abandoned??? I would think those inside pictures would be enough to show to a local official and with rescue onboard, cages in hand get a sherif escorted visit... The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters etc. on something that I have to take somebody elses word on unless I know that person very well personaly...By those pictures they should be able to handel the problem localy...And even here in VT they have a very active feral program to support a number of cats that live outdoors through our -30 degree winter nights ..And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats are moving to ski country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder weather next winter too...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not mean to say you are doing nothing to save cats in general, I meant you are doing nothing in THIS case, sorry if I wasn't clear. I know you do alot in other cases. They are ALREADY dying AT this place http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/deadinyard.jpg, so saying that you wont support the actions unless you are sure no death will come of it doesn't really make much sense (death is coming of it IF we do nothing). You MUST not have looked at ALL of the photos Tad, the lush country side you speak of is a small consolation for the ones INSIDE in THIS: http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/floor.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/bagscoffeetable.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/kitchen.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/fecescat.jpg(look there, feces in the food) And this is the lush countryside? http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/watersupply.jpg http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/yard.jpg This cat is DRINKING that water! http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/dump.jpg The rescue that is working with Ms. Harvey (she's already turned over 6 cats voluntarily) is working very hard to be there when it all goes down, to try to save these cats from going intothe hands of the cityanimal control. Unlike you, I do not believe that it is humane to let cats fend for themselves with minimal shelter and food, they are domesticated animals, and I feel they require a clean and safe living enviroment to thrive. Even minimal shelter is questionable in this case, it must REEK of ammonia inside that trailer that serves as their "shelter"! Cats have very sensitive respiratory tracts, and being forced to find refuge in filth that reeks of ammonia is very bad for them. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Jenn Please don't say I am doing nothingTrue..I am doing nothing on getting someone that may be doing a lot more than you are to save cats from be ing shut down I asked for the proof that these cats were sufferingThey may have a couple junk piles but that has little to do on how the cats are being cared for...In the lush country side shown in the pictures most cats could survive quit well on their own and just having some very minimul shelter and care is far better than being rounded up and pronounced too sick to save and being PTS the same day...No time to get any rescue in to save them unless like the nuns the rescue goes in with the sherif and does the seizure...There just isn't room for these cats to remain alive at an instance notice...I just don't think writing a bunch of letter to officials complaining is going to bring a happy ending to these catsOver and over again if you follow up a seizure most of the animals are PTS the same day And by the way..as far as doing nothing...Remember those 3 FeLV+ cats you were going to take from NJ if you could set up transportation...Well..It so happened that I had taken in an FeLV+ from a few miles away down there just a month before...The same transport that I used was readily still available and I was going to take the remaining 2 positives...Fortunately the hole mess was taken care of locally...Yes...In the last 6 months I have lost 3 cats...But I have taken in 2 seniors left at my vets office to be PTS becouse our local no kill shelter had no room for them...And we don't even have a big problem here in VT...Also The shelter called me and asked if I could take a beautiful long haired buff colored cat that had be brought in stray...His ears half gone from frost bite...and
