Update Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-10-09 Thread Lance Linimon
Thank you Jane, MC, Marylyn, Caroline, Tonya, Belinda and Wendy for  
your thoughts and advice. I wanted to wait for a week or so in order  
to report back what I hoped would be a uptick in Ember's weight.  
Unfortunately, she's still hanging around the general 9 1/12 pounds  
area. Probably optimistic of me to think that just more regular Sheba  
would push it up. I picked up a baby scale last week so that I can  
weigh her here at home.


I ordered small bags of Wellness CORE, Wellness Adult Complete Health  
Chicken and EVO based on what y'all said. I'm going to try the EVO  
again in smaller portions, and since it's something of a kitten  
food, I'm hoping it'll help put some weight back on. If there's a  
problem with it, I have the Wellness options to fall back on.


Marylyn, I looked at Just Born and may pick up some. I'm just unsure  
about mixing that and Transfer Factor, since TF has colostrum (or  
something colostrum-esque). Looked interesting, though, especially  
since they mentioned giving it to pregnant or nursing adults.


Once I get the dry food (hopefully by the end of the week), I'm going  
to give Ember a few more weeks before I take her back in, hoping that  
her weight will go up. If not, I'll definitely look into the thyroid  
tests. My vet didn't seem to think the thyroid could be the problem,  
and the symptoms I've read about for kitty thyroid issues don't seem  
to match what's going on here, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.


Thank you all again for your replies.

Lance



Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-10-06 Thread catatonya
Yes, if you go this route ask for a full thyroid panel.  There is a 'basic' 
test.  I don't remember which one.. which can come out negative when 
your cat really does have a thyroid problem.
  t

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Lance,

Checking the thyroid is a good idea because cats with thyroid issues often 
can't gain weight no matter how much they eat. Let us know how the test goes. 
The test is called a T4, and some vets also take a free T4. I don't know what 
else to tell you about the weight loss. Did your vet offer any other possible 
explanations? You could try to introduce the Evo back slowly as you said. If 
she has another reaction, maybe she has an allergy to something in the food, 
which would be good for you to know.

:)
Wendy

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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: Lance 

To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:39:01 PM
Subject: Ember and weight loss


Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three 
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing 
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when 
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. 
Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, 
especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided 
to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly 
went away.

Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, 
this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest 
thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most 
of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, 
I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell 
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't 
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that 
test on Ember in a few weeks.

Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as 
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding 
that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay 
for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet 
wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd 
rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which 
anyone here has had good results?

Thank you,

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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-10-06 Thread Belinda
FreeT4 is the test you want to do if there is any possibility of the T4 
being incorrect.  Fred's T4 was normal but his FreeT4 showed he was in 
the early stages of hyperthyroid, so we caught it early and he only 
needed a very low dose of iodine when he had the treatment and I got to 
bring him home the next day.


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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-30 Thread wendy
Hey Lance,

Checking the thyroid is a good idea because cats with thyroid issues often 
can't gain weight no matter how much they eat.  Let us know how the test goes.  
The test is called a T4, and some vets also take a free T4.  I don't know what 
else to tell you about the weight loss.  Did your vet offer any other possible 
explanations?  You could try to introduce the Evo back slowly as you said.  If 
she has another reaction, maybe she has an allergy to something in the food, 
which would be good for you to know.

:)
Wendy
 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:39:01 PM
Subject: Ember and weight loss


Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three  
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing  
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when  
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it.  
Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else,  
especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided  
to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly  
went away.

Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8  
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,  
this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest  
thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most  
of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks,  
I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell  
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't  
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that  
test on Ember in a few weeks.

Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as  
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding  
that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay  
for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet  
wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd  
rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which  
anyone here has had good results?

Thank you,

Lance


  

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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-28 Thread Belinda
  What were his creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, potassium and HCT, those 
are the big numbers concerning CRF?  What lab were they sent to?


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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-28 Thread catatonya
I don't know.  I was floored recently to get two totally different reads on 
Bob's cbc's when I took him to a new vet.
   
  You might try going for a second opinion.
   
  My 'old' vet said cbc looked fine.  My 'new' vet said the values showed the 
beginnings of crf and wants to start fluids and medications.
   
  I know it's expensive, but I was really floored at the different diagnoses I 
received within 2 weeks on the same cat and same symptoms.
   
  tonya

Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three 
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing 
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when 
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it. 
Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else, 
especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided 
to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly 
went away.

Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8 
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now, 
this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest 
thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most 
of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks, 
I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell 
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't 
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that 
test on Ember in a few weeks.

Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as 
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding 
that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay 
for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet 
wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd 
rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which 
anyone here has had good results?

Thank you,

Lance




Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-28 Thread MaryChristine
there are a couple of websites you can find with just normal searches that
explain what all the test values should be, so you can help evaluate your
vet's evaluation. i think i found them through a, feline blood test
results search. (i'm still not back on my main computer, so can't find half
my stuff.)

even some of the standards are different--i think it seemed as if they
might have changed in the past years? so some vets may be working with older
guidelines.

and it's not ALWAYS the numbers--it's the constellation of symptoms that
count. a cat can have HORRIBLE numbers, but be so strong, or have more
things to accomplish on its journey here, that it stays around way longer
than it should--likewise, a kitty who tests out fine can crash in less
than 24 hours.

learn what values are most important in what conditions: belinda listed the
ones for kidney problems; there's a different set for liver. that way, if
you vet says your cat's bun is really high, and it's 36, you can say, um,
well

perhaps the most valuable thing this list can teach us is NOT to assume that
our veterinarians know everything, or have encountered everything. what
matters is their willingness to learn, to be open to our questions and the
information we bring them from our own sources, and their commitment to we,
their clients, and our cats.

MC

On 9/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What were his creatinine, BUN, phosphorus, potassium and HCT, those
 are the big numbers concerning CRF?  What lab were they sent to?

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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread Jane Lyons

Hi Lance,
Nina suggested I try feeding dry 'kitten' food (any decent brand)
because the caloric value is much higher. I did, and MeMe has been
eating it and steadily gaining weight.

If Ember likes Sheba, I would bump it up. If she needs to gain weight
I'd offer her anything (again, decent quality) that she will eat.

I had to give up the notion of feeding a species appropriate diet.
I am just grateful that she is eating dry kitten and gaining weight.
I give her Sheba and a variety of 'quality' wet food that she sometimes
tolerates if it is covered with warm water and 'lapable'.

Hope she can pack some ounces back on.

Jane
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Lance wrote:

Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three  
months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing  
weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when  
Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of  
it. Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything  
else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I  
decided to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea  
almost promptly went away.


Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8  
pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds.  
Now, this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the  
easiest thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day  
for most of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few  
weeks, I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.


Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood  
cell count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet  
doesn't think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her  
run that test on Ember in a few weeks.


Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving  
as always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what  
adding that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it  
be okay for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The  
vet wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but  
I'd rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with  
which anyone here has had good results?


Thank you,

Lance






Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread MaryChristine
i think that many of us have found, no matter what WE might have thought,
that sometimes the best diet for a cat--especially one with an underlying
problem--is whatever the heck they'll eat we all know 20-year-old cats
who've never seen anything but meowmix, after all. sigh.

wondering if you did any probiotics stuff when she had the diarrhea--i know
that i've heard that sometimes the EVO can cause it, but so MANY things can
cause diarrhea that it's often hard to track down. for my kids, i do a
slurry of pumpkin and yogurt--they love it (well, jess doesn't even wait for
the yogurt to be added--or for the pumpkin to be out of the can, for that
matter), it's good for them, it adds in good gut flora (it's cheap)

if the sheba is making her happy, well, i'd go for it.

i'm also with nina on dry kitten food in terms of calories, but it's so rich
that for SOME adults, it can cause the runs as well ember's being happy
and playful is really the most important thing, tho...

unfortunately, i have no answers, but sometimes the numbers aren't the most
important things...

MC

On 9/27/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three
 months. For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing
 weight. This particular problem started around last Christmas, when
 Ember developed diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of it.
 Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to try anything else,
 especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I decided
 to take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost promptly
 went away.

 Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8
 pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,
 this might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiest
 thing to fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most
 of the time, and that might not be enough. In the last few weeks,
 I've also given her two cans of Sheba a week as treats.

 Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood cell
 count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't
 think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run that
 test on Ember in a few weeks.

 Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving as
 always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding
 that back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okay
 for me to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vet
 wanted Ember to come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but I'd
 rather do that at home. Is there a postal or baby scale with which
 anyone here has had good results?

 Thank you,

 Lance




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RE: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

We had a 19 year old cat that ate nothing but wet Whiskas (microwaved!) her 
entire life!!!  My mom and I laugh and laugh about that now that we are 
spending so much money on Wellness and supplements!  Who knows?!  I try to 
tell her that now with the proper food and supplements, maybe our normal- 
non-Felv cats- will live to be 30!  
-Caroline  


Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:59 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: Ember and weight lossi think that many of us have found, no 
matter what WE might have thought, that sometimes the best diet for a 
cat--especially one with an underlying problem--is whatever the heck they'll 
eat we all know 20-year-old cats who've never seen anything but meowmix, 
after all. sigh. wondering if you did any probiotics stuff when she had the 
diarrhea--i know that i've heard that sometimes the EVO can cause it, but so 
MANY things can cause diarrhea that it's often hard to track down. for my kids, 
i do a slurry of pumpkin and yogurt--they love it (well, jess doesn't even wait 
for the yogurt to be added--or for the pumpkin to be out of the can, for that 
matter), it's good for them, it adds in good gut flora (it's cheap) if 
the sheba is making her happy, well, i'd go for it. i'm also with nina on dry 
kitten food in terms of calories, but it's so rich that for SOME adults, it can 
cause the runs as well ember's being happy and playful is really the most 
important thing, tho... unfortunately, i have no answers, but sometimes the 
numbers aren't the most important things... MC
On 9/27/07, Lance  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three months. For 
the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losingweight. This particular 
problem started around last Christmas, whenEmber developed diarrhea, and I had 
no idea of how to get rid of it.Pumpkin helped a little, but I was reluctant to 
try anything else, especially since it really didn't seem to be an infection. I 
decidedto take Ember off of Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea almost 
promptlywent away.Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 
1.8pounds since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds. Now,this 
might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the easiestthing to fix. I've 
only been giving her a can of EVO a day for most of the time, and that might 
not be enough. In the last few weeks,I've also given her two cans of Sheba a 
week as treats.Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood 
cellcount, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet doesn't think 
that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her run thattest on Ember in a 
few weeks.Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving 
asalways. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what adding that back 
might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it be okayfor me to bump up 
Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The vetwanted Ember to come back in to be 
weighed in a few weeks, but I'drather do that at home. Is there a postal or 
baby scale with which anyone here has had good results?Thank you,Lance-- Spay  
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Re: Ember and weight loss

2007-09-27 Thread Marylyn
I'm a big believer in Just Born with Colostrum..high quality/high 
calorie in powder or pre- mixed.  I frequently add it to food for Dixie 
as well as for the ferals who are going into the winter and need to bulk up. 
Dixie and the Royal Princess Kitty Katt enjoy(ed) the pre-mixed for 
snacks/treats.  Dixie really enjoys full fat yogurt too.  PC (who knows his 
history) enjoys yogurt (full of probiotics) too.





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- Original Message - 
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Ember and weight loss



Hi Lance,
Nina suggested I try feeding dry 'kitten' food (any decent brand)
because the caloric value is much higher. I did, and MeMe has been
eating it and steadily gaining weight.

If Ember likes Sheba, I would bump it up. If she needs to gain weight
I'd offer her anything (again, decent quality) that she will eat.

I had to give up the notion of feeding a species appropriate diet.
I am just grateful that she is eating dry kitten and gaining weight.
I give her Sheba and a variety of 'quality' wet food that she sometimes
tolerates if it is covered with warm water and 'lapable'.

Hope she can pack some ounces back on.

Jane
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Lance wrote:

Ember went to the vet today for a CBC. We go roughly every three  months. 
For the last eight or nine months, Ember has been losing  weight. This 
particular problem started around last Christmas, when  Ember developed 
diarrhea, and I had no idea of how to get rid of  it. Pumpkin helped a 
little, but I was reluctant to try anything  else, especially since it 
really didn't seem to be an infection. I  decided to take Ember off of 
Innova EVO dry, and the diarrhea  almost promptly went away.


Since then, Ember has been dropping weight. She's lost about 1.8  pounds 
since that time until today, when she weighed 9.5 pounds.  Now, this 
might be my fault. I hope it is, as that would be the  easiest thing to 
fix. I've only been giving her a can of EVO a day  for most of the time, 
and that might not be enough. In the last few  weeks, I've also given her 
two cans of Sheba a week as treats.


Ember's CBC was normal, which, in her case, means good red blood  cell 
count, and just below normal white blood cell count. The vet  doesn't 
think that this is thyroid-related, but I might have her  run that test 
on Ember in a few weeks.


Ember eats well (especially the Sheba). She is playful and loving  as 
always. Should I try a brand new bag of EVO dry to see what  adding that 
back might do? I would add that *very slowly*. Would it  be okay for me 
to bump up Sheba, and has anyone fed much Sheba? The  vet wanted Ember to 
come back in to be weighed in a few weeks, but  I'd rather do that at 
home. Is there a postal or baby scale with  which anyone here has had 
good results?


Thank you,

Lance