Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread wendy
Hey  Glenda,

I just read the post below.  It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, 
TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in 
College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin.  I just wanted 
to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in Austin.  
University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school (not yet 
anyway).

:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM
Subject: Re: Here is the link


Tonya,
I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
difference between those of us not willing to risk
mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
hurting. 
When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. 
I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
have so far in the short time I have been on this
list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
anyone here. 
As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
studied for several days to learn all I could to back
my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
natural life than Felv+guys...
Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these
same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
some are NOT. 
I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that
is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group
and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. 
If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
the stories of how this person or that ,might have had
a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties
and never contract the disease. This is where I get my
hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
spirit as the actual scientific information I get here
is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
emotional support here. I think these three things is
what keeps most of us here? 
A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching
which university to go to, came up with the opinion
the three best schools in the country for veterinary
medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado, in
Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
and lastly,the the University right down there in
Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the
world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
last night after reeling from something I read hateful
here...
Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
until yesterday. UGH!
All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from
each other and appreciate our differences. The reason
we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want
to do what is right for them...Too bad people have to
be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day!

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda,

   In my approximately 10 years on this list I have
 never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a
 mixed situation.  Now cats do test initially
 sometimes for both.  But I have had fiv cats mixed
 with felv with no problem.

   It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's
 Landing do so much good that I think you should calm
 down on the heavy judgements

Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread Kelley Saveika
Glenda is no longer on the list.

Yes, Austin has no veterinary school.  Typically the land grant
college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will
not.

Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not.
Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not.

There are a few states that do not follow this pattern.  Tennessee,
Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri.

Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia.

On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey  Glenda,

 I just read the post below.  It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, 
 TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in 
 College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin.  I just 
 wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in 
 Austin.  University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school 
 (not yet anyway).

 :)
 Wendy

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM
 Subject: Re: Here is the link


 Tonya,
 I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
 addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
 here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
 them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
 difference between those of us not willing to risk
 mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
 incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
 for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
 just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
 when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
 to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
 hurting.
 When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
 and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
 with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
 panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER.
 I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
 have so far in the short time I have been on this
 list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
 vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
 only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
 been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
 me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
 anyone here.
 As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
 too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
 couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
 kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
 studied for several days to learn all I could to back
 my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
 is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
 easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
 can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
 mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
 Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
 like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
 guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
 and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
 natural life than Felv+guys...
 Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these
 same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
 some are NOT.
 I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that
 is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group
 and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
 even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty.
 If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
 SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
 come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
 the stories of how this person or that ,might have had
 a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties
 and never contract the disease. This is where I get my
 hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
 strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
 spirit as the actual scientific information I get here
 is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
 emotional support here. I think these three things is
 what keeps most of us here?
 A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching
 which university to go to, came up with the opinion
 the three best schools in the country for veterinary
 medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado, in
 Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
 and lastly,the the University right down there in
 Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the
 world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
 last night after reeling from something I read hateful
 here...
 Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
 stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
 until yesterday. UGH!
 All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
 dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from
 each other and appreciate our

Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread wendy
hey kelley,

interesting to know!  what does 'land grant' mean?

thanks,
:)
wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:05:51 AM
Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin


Glenda is no longer on the list.

Yes, Austin has no veterinary school.  Typically the land grant
college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will
not.

Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not.
Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not.

There are a few states that do not follow this pattern.  Tennessee,
Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri.

Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia.

On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey  Glenda,

 I just read the post below.  It says there is a veterinary school in Austin, 
 TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM University in 
 College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from Austin.  I just 
 wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post tried to find one in 
 Austin.  University of Texas (in Austin) does not have a veterinary school 
 (not yet anyway).

 :)
 Wendy

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM
 Subject: Re: Here is the link


 Tonya,
 I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
 addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
 here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
 them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
 difference between those of us not willing to risk
 mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
 incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
 for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
 just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
 when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
 to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
 hurting.
 When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
 and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
 with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
 panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER.
 I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
 have so far in the short time I have been on this
 list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
 vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
 only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
 been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
 me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
 anyone here.
 As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
 too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
 couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
 kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
 studied for several days to learn all I could to back
 my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
 is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
 easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
 can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
 mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
 Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
 like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
 guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
 and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
 natural life than Felv+guys...
 Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these
 same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
 some are NOT.
 I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that
 is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group
 and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
 even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty.
 If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
 SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
 come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
 the stories of how this person or that ,might have had
 a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties
 and never contract the disease. This is where I get my
 hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
 strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
 spirit as the actual scientific information I get here
 is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
 emotional support here. I think these three things is
 what keeps most of us here?
 A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching
 which university to go to, came up with the opinion
 the three best schools in the country for veterinary
 medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado, in
 Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
 and lastly,the the University right down there in
 Austin

Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread Kelley Saveika
Land-grant universities (also called land-grant colleges or land grant
institutions) are institutions of higher education in the United
States that have been designated by the United States Congress to
receive the benefits of the Morrill Acts of 1862 and 1890.

The Morrill Acts funded educational institutions by granting federally
controlled land to the states. The mission of these institutions, as
set forth in the 1862 Act, is to teach agriculture, military tactics,
and the mechanic arts, not to the exclusion of classical studies, so
that members of the working classes might obtain a practical college
education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university

On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hey kelley,

 interesting to know!  what does 'land grant' mean?

 thanks,
 :)
 wendy

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


 - Original Message 
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:05:51 AM
 Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin


 Glenda is no longer on the list.

 Yes, Austin has no veterinary school.  Typically the land grant
 college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will
 not.

 Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not.
 Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not.

 There are a few states that do not follow this pattern.  Tennessee,
 Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri.

 Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia.

 On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey  Glenda,
 
  I just read the post below.  It says there is a veterinary school in 
  Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM 
  University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from 
  Austin.  I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post 
  tried to find one in Austin.  University of Texas (in Austin) does not have 
  a veterinary school (not yet anyway).
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
  the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
  ~~~
 
 
  - Original Message 
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
 
 
  Tonya,
  I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
  addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
  here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
  them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
  difference between those of us not willing to risk
  mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
  incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
  for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
  just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
  when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
  to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
  hurting.
  When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
  and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
  with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
  panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER.
  I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
  have so far in the short time I have been on this
  list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
  vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
  only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
  been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
  me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
  anyone here.
  As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
  too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
  couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
  kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
  studied for several days to learn all I could to back
  my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
  is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
  easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
  can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
  mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
  Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
  like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
  guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
  and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
  natural life than Felv+guys...
  Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these
  same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
  some are NOT.
  I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that
  is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group
  and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
  even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty.
  If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
  SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
  come back to me . I

Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread wendy
thanks Kelley!  i will file that info. away on my mental rolodex...

:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


- Original Message 
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin


Land-grant universities (also called land-grant colleges or land grant
institutions) are institutions of higher education in the United
States that have been designated by the United States Congress to
receive the benefits of the Morrill Acts of 1862 and 1890.

The Morrill Acts funded educational institutions by granting federally
controlled land to the states. The mission of these institutions, as
set forth in the 1862 Act, is to teach agriculture, military tactics,
and the mechanic arts, not to the exclusion of classical studies, so
that members of the working classes might obtain a practical college
education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-grant_university

On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hey kelley,

 interesting to know!  what does 'land grant' mean?

 thanks,
 :)
 wendy

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


 - Original Message 
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:05:51 AM
 Subject: Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin


 Glenda is no longer on the list.

 Yes, Austin has no veterinary school.  Typically the land grant
 college in each state will have the vet school, the other one will
 not.

 Virginia Tech has a vet school, University of Virginia does not.
 Auburn has a vet school, University of Alabama does not.

 There are a few states that do not follow this pattern.  Tennessee,
 Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Missouri.

 Not every state has a veterinary school - Maryland shares one with Virginia.

 On 9/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey  Glenda,
 
  I just read the post below.  It says there is a veterinary school in 
  Austin, TX, but the only veterinary school in Texas is at Texas AM 
  University in College Station, probably a couple of hours or more from 
  Austin.  I just wanted to clarify that in case someone reading the post 
  tried to find one in Austin.  University of Texas (in Austin) does not have 
  a veterinary school (not yet anyway).
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
  the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
  ~~~
 
 
  - Original Message 
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:38:46 AM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
 
 
  Tonya,
  I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
  addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
  here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
  them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
  difference between those of us not willing to risk
  mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
  incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
  for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
  just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
  when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
  to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
  hurting.
  When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
  and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
  with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
  panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER.
  I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
  have so far in the short time I have been on this
  list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
  vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
  only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
  been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
  me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
  anyone here.
  As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
  too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
  couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
  kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
  studied for several days to learn all I could to back
  my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
  is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
  easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
  can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
  mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
  Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
  like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
  guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
  and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
  natural life than Felv+guys...
  Everyone, who has been here

Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread OfALegend
I just wanted to clarify, though its really not important, that Tennessee  
does have a veterinary school at a land grant university.  The University  of 
Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, which is a Land-Grand  University.
 
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Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread Kelley Saveika
Sorry, I'm not really that familiar with Tennessee!  I know Virginia
and Alabama because my dad and brother both graduated from Virginia
Tech and I graduated from UA.  Is UT the only state university?  I
know that there's Vanderbilt, but that's privately supported if my
info is correct.

K

On 9/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just wanted to clarify, though its really not important, that Tennessee
 does have a veterinary school at a land grant university.  The University of
 Tennessee College of Veterinary Medicine, which is a Land-Grand University.

 Michael


 
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Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread OfALegend
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Re: Here is the link/vet school in austin

2007-09-30 Thread OfALegend
Vanderbilt is a private school.  The system in TN is sort of unique, I  
believe.  We have the University of Tennessee system, which governs the UT  
schools: Knoxville, Chattanooga, Martin.
 
We also have the Tennessee Board of Regents system that governs Tennessee  
State University (our other land grant school-Memphis I think), Austin Peay  
State University (middle TN-Clarksville), Middle Tennessee State University  
(Murfreesboro), East Tennessee State University (NE TN, Johnson City), and  
Tennessee Technological University (Middle TN-  Crossville).



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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread catatonya
Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me.  :)
  tonya

Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been 
vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV.  They are weighing that 
risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter.  If anyone 
believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way 
than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry.   
  From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea 
that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters.  Our local rescue declaws every 
kitten it can before offering it for adoption.  When I told one of their 
volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my  
  clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the 
furniture?  A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they 
lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned 
rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. 
   
  Beth
   

 

 
  On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Allowing mixed 
pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is one thing 
altogether.
   
  Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving 
them a death sentence.
  
While she (Not Sherry, the owner)  collects donations for this  and tells 
everyone, 
  We do the best that we can.
   
  Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a 
given?
  
Sounds like the dark ages.
   
  And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education 
programset in place.
  
A cat that is felv+ is much harder.
   
  A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible.
   
   
   
  
 
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Beth Noren 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  
 
  Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.  It 
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your 
decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood and 
my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.  Your 
situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest that we 
ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when 
voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us crazy 
cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and takes 
each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. 
   
  Best wishes,
  Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral 
 

 





Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread Tad Burnett

Just one comment...
The risk of death for an FIV cat at a kill shelter is mentioned...
You might want to read the fine print of many many NO KILL
shelters that also PTS FIV, FeLV and even the entire litter because
just one kitten dies of FIP...
Life it self is a risk... What about the risk you give to your kitties
by jumping in your car and drive to the store to get supplies...
Tad

catatonya wrote:


Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me.  :)
tonya

Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have
been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV.  They
are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the streets or
in a kill shelter.  If anyone believes that that risk is not
justified they can say so in a much nicer way than calling the
place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry.  
From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on

the idea that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters.  Our
local rescue declaws every kitten it can before offering it for
adoption.  When I told one of their volunteers that I was looking
for a clawed companion for my 
clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What

about the furniture?  A politely worded letter to the director
telling them that they lost out on an adoption can have more
impact than jumping into impassioned rhetoric and telling them
they're in the dark ages.
 
Beth
 
  
  

 
On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already
been exposed is one thing altogether.
 
Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to

felv+ is giving them a death sentence.

While she (Not Sherry, the owner)  collects donations
for this  and tells everyone,
We do the best that we can.
 
Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or

is it just a given?

Sounds like the dark ages.
 
And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an

education programset in place.

A cat that is felv+ is much harder.
 
A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible.
 
 
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  ^..^

www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side
did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft
applause,
   Ever guarding with
sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 


- Original Message -
From: Beth Noren mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Here is the link

 
Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with

our positives.  It is a calculated risk that takes into
account quality of life, as is your decision to allow your
cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood and
my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that
I won't take.  Your situation may be very different.  I
guess I am just trying to suggest that we ALL care deeply
for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when
voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good
if all of us crazy cat ladies start attacking each other. 
Sherry has worked so hard, and takes each loss so

personally, and for that I thank her.
 
Best wishes,
Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral 
  

 






Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread Beth Noren
Thanks Tonya, I'm tryin', though it doesn't come easy!  I just joined a
parrot behavior list that teaches people to modify their parrots behavior
through positive reinforcement and modeling
the correct behavior.  Funny thing is, list members are required to live by
those same principals in their communications with each other.  Joined to
find help in dealing with my husband's new bird, but I think it may just
change the way I relate to people too!  I'll keep practicing here, though it
still feels like my point gets lost in all the diplomacy...

:o)
Beth


On 9/26/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me.  :)
 tonya




Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread glenda Goodman
Tonya,
 I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
difference between those of us not willing to risk
mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
when I read about these kitties dying and I just want
to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
hurting. 
When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so happy
and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. 
I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
have so far in the short time I have been on this
list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
been a slight improvement. My personal vets also tell
me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed as
anyone here. 
As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince a
couple people here, in my town, not to put their FIV+
kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
studied for several days to learn all I could to back
my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is much
easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often kittens
can throw this disease, if say, contracted through the
mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non- gambler
like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease free
guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a longer
natural life than Felv+guys...
Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know these
same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
some are NOT. 
I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life that
is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy group
and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. 
If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
the stories of how this person or that ,might have had
a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+ kitties
and never contract the disease. This is where I get my
hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
spirit as the actual scientific information I get here
is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
emotional support here. I think these three things is
what keeps most of us here? 
A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While researching
which university to go to, came up with the opinion
the three best schools in the country for veterinary
medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado, in
Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
and lastly,the the University right down there in
Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in the
world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
last night after reeling from something I read hateful
here...
Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
until yesterday. UGH!
All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
dear people and let's all try to get along, learn from
each other and appreciate our differences. The reason
we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want
to do what is right for them...Too bad people have to
be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day!

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda,

   In my approximately 10 years on this list I have
 never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from a
 mixed situation.  Now cats do test initially
 sometimes for both.  But I have had fiv cats mixed
 with felv with no problem.

   It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's
 Landing do so much good that I think you should calm
 down on the heavy judgements.

   Those who have been on this list for a long time,
 and many who have left, have already had this
 discussion with Sherry.  People agree and disagree. 
 But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is doing
 a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these
 cats as she can.

   And Sherry, who also deals with each loss, doesn't
 need such negative feedback.
   tonya
 
 glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sherry, 
 She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you,
 when
 I realized the thinking behind how your shelter,
 where
 you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
 about the section for the special needs kitties I
 thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
 with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
 

Fwd: Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread glenda Goodman

--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Here is the link 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Tonya,
  I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
 addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm
 new
 here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
 them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the
 core
 difference between those of us not willing to risk
 mixing our FeLV+ guys with our FIV+ guys. I was
 incredibly touched by Sherry's love and enthusiasim
 for her most adored little kitty Mystique. My heart
 just goes out to Sherry so much. I cry almost always
 when I read about these kitties dying and I just
 want
 to give all you guys a big hug when one of you is
 hurting. 
 When I was told Mystique was only FIV+ I felt so
 happy
 and hopeful. When I was told she was mixing freely
 with FeLV+ kitties everyday, swapping saliva, etc. I
 panicked. Remember, I AM NOT A GAMBLER. 
 I told Sherry my feelings, as gently as possible. I
 have so far in the short time I have been on this
 list, been told over and over again, that the FeLV
 vaccine is only 75% -90% effective...It used to be
 only 75%-85%, but there is talk, now, that there has
 been a slight improvement. My personal vets also
 tell
 me these #'s , so at least I feel I am as informed
 as
 anyone here. 
 As for FIV+ kitties, I have researched thir disease
 too. I worked hard a couple months back to convince
 a
 couple people here, in my town, not to put their
 FIV+
 kittens to sleep over this disease. I researched and
 studied for several days to learn all I could to
 back
 my argument. I learned #1 : that their immune system
 is compromised. I learned#2: that this disease is
 much
 easier to deal with than FeLV. I learned often
 kittens
 can throw this disease, if say, contracted through
 the
 mother. This disease is a piece of cake, compared to
 Felv. I also learned it is possible for a non-
 gambler
 like myself, to mix an FIV+ kitty with my disease
 free
 guys as long as the FIV+ guy does not tend to fight
 and bite...I also learned FIV+ guys can have a
 longer
 natural life than Felv+guys...
 Everyone, who has been here a while, has to know
 these
 same things ,but some here are willing to GAMBLE and
 some are NOT. 
 I do not feel I can afford to risk any cat's life
 that
 is in my care by mixing a FeLV+ with my healthy
 group
 and if I happened to have an FIV+ kitty I would be
 even more paranoid to mix with a FelV+ kitty. 
 If there is anyone here, that can tell me some
 SCIENTIFIC REASON, I am wrong in my opinion, PLEASE
 come back to me . I came here to learn. I appreciate
 the stories of how this person or that ,might have
 had
 a disease free cat live 20+ years among FeLV+
 kitties
 and never contract the disease. This is where I get
 my
 hope. This makes me feel so happy, gives me
 strength...These stories are almost as helpful to my
 spirit as the actual scientific information I get
 here
 is  helpful to my mind. I also, love just the
 emotional support here. I think these three things
 is
 what keeps most of us here? 
 A sibling of mine, is a veterinarin. While
 researching
 which university to go to, came up with the opinion
 the three best schools in the country for veterinary
 medicine were as follows,  University of Colorado,
 in
 Fort Collins, The University of California in Napa,
 and lastly,the the University right down there in
 Austin, Texas where Susan is. All very renowed in
 the
 world of veterinary medicine...I just realized that
 last night after reeling from something I read
 hateful
 here...
 Nobody here is without a clue and nobody here is
 stupid . I never heard anything of the sort said,
 until yesterday. UGH!
 All I can say is GOD BLESS everyone of you loving,
 dear people and let's all try to get along, learn
 from
 each other and appreciate our differences. The
 reason
 we are here, is for our cats first. We just all want
 to do what is right for them...Too bad people have
 to
 be so jacked up...oh well, ENOUGH ! Have a good day!
 
 --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Glenda,
 
In my approximately 10 years on this list I have
  never heard of a cat with fiv 'catching' felv from
 a
  mixed situation.  Now cats do test initially
  sometimes for both.  But I have had fiv cats mixed
  with felv with no problem.
 
It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's
  Landing do so much good that I think you should
 calm
  down on the heavy judgements.
 
Those who have been on this list for a long
 time,
  and many who have left, have already had this
  discussion with Sherry.  People agree and
 disagree. 
  But I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is
 doing
  a wonderful thing trying to save as many of these
  cats as she can.
 
And Sherry, who also deals with each loss,
 doesn't
  need such negative feedback.
tonya
  
  glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Beth Noren
Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.  It
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood
and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.
Your situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest
that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other
when voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us
crazy cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and
takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her.

Best wishes,
Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral



On 9/24/07, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sherry,
 ...Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
 to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
 of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
 vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
 risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
 FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
 get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP!
 You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
 especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
 read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
 that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
 luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
 The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
 the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
 crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
 environment...and what about the kitties that might
 possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
 or the other? What chance do any of them really
 have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
 virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
 groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
 here they are almost certainly, over time going to
 become FeLV+ too.
 You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
 her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
 what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
 again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
 blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
 if she is really FIV+.
 Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
 page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
 kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
 and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
 it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
 collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
 become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
 these cats, are they really doing what is best for
 each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
 the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
 with one disease or the other  disease and let another
 shelter deal with the other...
 Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
 they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
 cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry.
 I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
 cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
 negatives do not come into contact with my one
 positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
 in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
 as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
 turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
 easier disease to deal with.
 I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
 because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
 as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
 into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
 believe in knowing their health status every year or
 so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
 my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
 would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
 to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
 am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
 quality of life, argument...
 Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
 thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
 not trust people...
 Love and best wishes from Nebraska,
 Glenda
 --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
  separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
  space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
  ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
  I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
  felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
  years later tested negative for anything.Then I
  brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
  risked it because my heart told me to bring that
  baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
  DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
  her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
  :(
You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit
  uneasy when it comes to that subject.
Thank you for checking out the fur kids.

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Susan Dubose
Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed is 
one thing altogether.

Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is giving 
them a death sentence.

While she (Not Sherry, the owner)  collects donations for this  and tells 
everyone, 
We do the best that we can.

Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just a 
given?

Sounds like the dark ages.

And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education 
programset in place.

A cat that is felv+ is much harder.

A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible.




Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Beth Noren 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.  It 
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your 
decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood and 
my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.  Your 
situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest that we 
ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other when 
voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us crazy 
cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and takes 
each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. 

  Best wishes,
  Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral 
 



Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Beth Noren
But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been
vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV.  They are weighing
that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter.  If
anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much
nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry.
From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea
that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters.  Our local rescue declaws
every kitten it can before offering it for adoption.  When I told one of
their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my
clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the
furniture?  A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they
lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned
rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages.

Beth





On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed
 is one thing altogether.

 Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is
 giving them a death sentence.

 While she (Not Sherry, the owner)  collects donations for this  and tells
 everyone,
 We do the best that we can.

 Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just
 a given?

 Sounds like the dark ages.

 And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education
 programset in place.

 A cat that is felv+ is much harder.

 A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible.




 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent





 - Original Message -
 *From:* Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM
 *Subject:* Re: Here is the link


 Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.
 It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
 decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood
 and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.
 Your situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest
 that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other
 when voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us
 crazy cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and
 takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her.

 Best wishes,
 Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral







RE: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Melissa Lind
Wow! A lot happened since I left work last night! I think Beth said it
correctly, that we are all a bunch of crazy cat ladies (and a few men). I
think that because our passions run so high for these kitties, that we are
all the more passionate about these issues. I'm glad to see that people are
sticking to the issues at hand and not attacking in personal ways, but I
think this argument has come to the point that no one is going to budge, so
it's kind of a stalemate, at an impasse. I feel very strongly about this
issue as well (declawing), and I think that there is a middle ground here
for all of us to agree on without compromising our views in any way. As
Susan said, change is made by little steps. 

 

Those of the never declaw camp and those of the do what we can camp can
both agree that change is necessary because neither way is a solution. So,
instead of wasting all our energy on arguing (and it is exhausting), focus
that energy toward education and awareness. Take the information from those
websites (pawproject and the other one that someone posted), and use it to
make literature to distribute. Talk to people off this list about how to
train cats. I think many people are so devastatingly uninformed when it
comes to the furniture issue. Although mine is scratched, it is not ugly or
destroyed. It just takes education. The next time someone is shocked that
your kitties are not declawed and says, What about the furniture?! tell
him/her about the ways to prevent it. Even if that person doesn't have a
cat, perhaps he/she knows someone with cats or who's thinking about getting
a kitty. Maybe your information will influence someone down the road to
request a kitty with claws or to pass on the info. We really need to put the
information out there and let it work through people. We can all agree on
that.

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.  It
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood
and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.
Your situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest
that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other
when voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us
crazy cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and
takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. 

 

Best wishes,

Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral 

   

 

On 9/24/07, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Sherry,
...Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups 
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please 
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP!
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good 
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that 
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two 
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too.
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, 
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+.
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro 
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that 
collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other  disease and let another
shelter deal with the other...
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Susan Dubose
Sorry, the hellholecomment was not meant to go to the list.

My mistake (yes,even I make them).

However, I standby my opinion.



Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Beth Noren 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been 
vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV.  They are weighing that 
risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter.  If anyone 
believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much nicer way 
than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry.   
  From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea 
that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters.  Our local rescue declaws every 
kitten it can before offering it for adoption.  When I told one of their 
volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my  
  clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the 
furniture?  A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they 
lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned 
rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages. 

  Beth


 

   

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Kelley Saveika
I'm really jealous of her facility:

http://www.crashslanding.org/Pages/crash_cheese.html

On 9/25/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't want to get into the all or nothing conversation but I do want to
 mention that throws, especially loosely knit ones, put in strategic places
 saves lots of upholstered corners.






  If you
 have men who will exclude any of God's creatures
  from the
 shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
  will deal
 likewise with their fellow man.

   St. Francis

 - Original Message -
 From: Beth Noren
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:16 AM
 Subject: Re: Here is the link

 But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been
 vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV.  They are weighing
 that risk against the risk of death on the streets or in a kill shelter.  If
 anyone believes that that risk is not justified they can say so in a much
 nicer way than calling the place a hell hole and attacking poor Sherry.
 From my experience, I do believe that some rescues are too set on the idea
 that declaws are neccesary to attract adopters.  Our local rescue declaws
 every kitten it can before offering it for adoption.  When I told one of
 their volunteers that I was looking for a clawed companion for my
 clawed one-year old, she looked horrified and actually said What about the
 furniture?  A politely worded letter to the director telling them that they
 lost out on an adoption can have more impact than jumping into impassioned
 rhetoric and telling them they're in the dark ages.

 Beth





 On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Allowing mixed pet cats to stay together that have already been exposed
 is one thing altogether.
 
  Deliberately exposing already immune compromised fiv+ cats to felv+ is
 giving them a death sentence.
 
  While she (Not Sherry, the owner)  collects donations for this  and tells
 everyone,
  We do the best that we can.
 
  Question, as far as declawing, are the adopters even asked or is it just
 a given?
 
  Sounds like the dark ages.
 
  And besides, a cat that is fiv+ is stillvery adoptable, w/an education
 programset in place.
 
  A cat that is felv+ is much harder.
 
  A cat that is fiv+ and exposed to felv is just about impossible.
 
 
 
 
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in
 state,
 Faithful Bast at her
 side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of
 soft applause,
 Ever guarding with
 sharpened claws.
   Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Beth Noren
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
 
 
  Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.
 It is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
 decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood
 and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.
 Your situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest
 that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other
 when voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us
 crazy cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and
 takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her.
 
  Best wishes,
  Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral
 
 
 




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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread catatonya
Many people on this list mix fiv and felv positive cats.  With no transmission 
I might add.  Could you ask your questions in a less confrontational manner?
  t

Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread catatonya
Glenda,
   
  In my approximately 10 years on this list I have never heard of a cat with 
fiv 'catching' felv from a mixed situation.  Now cats do test initially 
sometimes for both.  But I have had fiv cats mixed with felv with no problem.
   
  It's not a perfect world, and Sherry and Crash's Landing do so much good that 
I think you should calm down on the heavy judgements.
   
  Those who have been on this list for a long time, and many who have left, 
have already had this discussion with Sherry.  People agree and disagree.  But 
I don't think anyone feels that Dr. Jen is doing a wonderful thing trying to 
save as many of these cats as she can.
   
  And Sherry, who also deals with each loss, doesn't need such negative 
feedback.
  tonya

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with. 
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
 separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
 space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
 ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
 I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
 felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
 years later tested negative for anything.Then I
 brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
 risked it because my heart told me to bring that
 baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
 DID!! I am 

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread catatonya
It is not irresponsible, and the way you word your comments certainly doesn't 
bring people around to your point of view.
  t

Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..
   
  That is just bad news.
   
  And no, you cannot save them all.
  
And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.
   
  I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.
   
  However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries 
and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.
   
  Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.
   
  From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases 
due to an imperfect world.
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
   


Re: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread catatonya
Sherry,
   
  You have nothing to defend.
  t

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Glenda I DO NOT hate anybody,but I do get tired of defending the way Crash's 
landing is run.It is run by a licensed vet and she is a wonderful human with a 
big heart.The fiv cats are vaccinated for felv and yes we know it is not 100% 
safe.But it is either this or death.We love each and every one of those cats 
with all our hearts and yes ALL the volunteers are very kind people.It is a no 
kill shelter and I am very proud of being a part of it.Not everyone is EVER 
going to agree on EVERYTHING that people do.So we just should respect each 
other for the loving we have for these animals in our lives.

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with. 
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
 separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
 space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
 ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
 I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
 felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
 years later tested negative for anything.Then I
 brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
 risked it because my heart told me to bring that
 baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
 DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
 her.It will be 4 weeks 

RE: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Right on Susan and Glenda! I agree Glenda with the name change idea.
Sometimes people may not even be aware of the damage they are inflicting
because of the name itself. As a veggie, I always joke to my husband and
family about the names we give meat. I ask him if he'd enjoy prime rib as
much as partially cooked cow flesh. I think au jus tastes much better than
beef blood. I'm always amazed at tiger meat eaters (raw hamburger). I think
that names have a lot to do with our acceptance of certain customs or
traditions or whatevers. I mean, a carrot is a carrot is a carrot. There are
just not fifteen different names for it. Why do we rename other foods (like
meat), but not vegetables?  We can try to fool our brains with sanitized
versions of the truth in an attempt to deal with our own guilt, yada yada.
I'm not directing this at meat-eaters, but that's just the examples that
come to mind. It occurs with war, combat, and the like. I'll get off my
soapbox now! :-)

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Right now I know of another shelter that has 100+cats living cage free under
one roof that are not declawed.

 

Any of them.

 

There have not been any serious cat fights or injuries, either.

 

Declawing is nothing more than a mutilation.

 

And it should be illegal.

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sherry DeHaan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that
I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much
as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same
roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I
said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats
are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc.
And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip
all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how
to run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats
that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry
if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on
our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are
beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is
probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also
in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5
kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are
trying to get homes for them.

Sherry

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry,
 I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little
girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
kitties from their FeLV+
 kitties ?  Taking care of her should be very easy and
rewarding...She could have a long life with you. 
 As for this organization, I will say, their layout
and every cat is beautiful. My heart  is just
stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your heart,
Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a little
up in the air over certain issues.  Please believe me,
I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone
uncomfortable...YOU are an angel...  I know we all do
the best we can with what we can and we all feel the
same things, love, compassion, tenderness for these
guys in need.
 The more need they have, the more we feel. 
I do love the people here too, because they are just
so special. I should be so good as to be doing what
you do. 
 Love from Nebraska,   Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
 of all want to say that I too am not one for
 declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
 already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
 are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
 (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
 already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
 living under the same roof.Most get along but there
 could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
 believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
 that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
 because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
 don't take the time to try and train them to do
 differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
 personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
 run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for
 the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
 anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
 hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
 good wishes on our sweet
  Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
 they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
 look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
 baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
 Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
 Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
 backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
 house,we are trying to get homes for them.
   Sherry
 
 glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sherry,
 I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
 Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
 with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
 terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
 infections,etc.
 After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
 course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
 next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
 your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
 guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
 everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
 FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
 it
 is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
 as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
 Please let me know what is going on there with the
 declawing or please tell me it was a computer
 glitch. 
 Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you
 are
 helping our poor little guys and my first impression
 is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
 those people that is every bit as mortified of
 declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
 someday realize that declawing is not a good thing
 to
 do to a cat...
 God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
 Sincerely, Glenda
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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sherry,
I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little
girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
kitties from their FeLV+
kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy and
rewarding...She could have a long life with you. 
As for this organization, I will say, their layout
and every cat is beautiful. My heart is just
stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your heart,
Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a little
up in the air over certain issues. Please believe me,
I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone
uncomfortable...YOU are an angel... I know we all do
the best we can with what we can and we all feel the
same things, love, compassion, tenderness for these
guys in need.
The more need they have, the more we feel. 
I do love the people here too, because they are just
so special. I should be so good as to be doing what
you do. 
Love from Nebraska, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
 of all want to say that I too am not one for
 declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
 already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
 are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
 (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
 already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
 living under the same roof.Most get along but there
 could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
 believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
 that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
 because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
 don't take the time to try and train them to do
 differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
 personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
 run her shelter :( I respect ALL that Jen does for
 the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
 anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
 hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
 good wishes on our sweet
 Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
 they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
 look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
 baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
 Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
 Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
 backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
 house,we are trying to get homes for them.
 Sherry
 
 glenda Goodman wrote:
 Sherry,
 I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
 Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
 with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
 terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
 infections,etc.
 After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
 course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
 next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
 your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
 guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
 everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
 FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
 it
 is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
 as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
 Please let me know what is going on there with the
 declawing or please tell me it was a computer
 glitch. 
 Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you
 are
 helping our poor little guys and my first impression
 is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
 those people that is every bit as mortified of
 declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
 someday realize that declawing is not a good thing
 to
 do to a cat...
 God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
 Sincerely, Glenda
 --- Sherry DeHaan wrote:
 
 
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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Susan Dubose
WHAT?

This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?

What kind of place is this?

Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?

And vice versa?


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

  glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


   
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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties.  I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other  disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with.  
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
 separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
 space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
 ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
 I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
 felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
 years later tested negative for anything.Then I
 brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
 risked it because my heart told me to bring that
 baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
 DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
 her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
 :(
   You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit
 uneasy when it comes to that subject.
   Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
   Sherry and her fur baby boys 
 Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan
 
 glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sherry,
 I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
 earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent
 little
 girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
 away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
 not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
 kitties from their FeLV+
 kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy and
 rewarding...She could have a long life with you. 
 As for this organization, I 

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Glenda I DO NOT hate anybody,but I do get tired of defending the way Crash's 
landing is run.It is run by a licensed vet and she is a wonderful human with a 
big heart.The fiv cats are vaccinated for felv and yes we know it is not 100% 
safe.But it is either this or death.We love each and every one of those cats 
with all our hearts and yes ALL the volunteers are very kind people.It is a no 
kill shelter and I am very proud of being a part of it.Not everyone is EVER 
going to agree on EVERYTHING that people do.So we just should respect each 
other for the loving we have for these animals in our lives.

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with. 
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan wrote:

 Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
 separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
 space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
 ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
 I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
 felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
 years later tested negative for anything.Then I
 brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
 risked it because my heart told me to bring that
 baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
 DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
 her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
 :(
 You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a bit
 

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Susan yes you are entitled to your opinion.But do you seriously think death 
would be a better alternative!! THe vet that runs it all has a hard time 
turning away any cat and for that I respect her.I promise you will not have to 
CLEANUP after this shelter.She is a smart lady and knows our limits.So I will 
proudly keep loving and helping out with these beautiful animals and thank you 
for doing what you do.

Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..
   
  That is just bad news.
   
  And no, you cannot save them all.
  
And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.
   
  I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.
   
  However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries 
and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.
   
  Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.
   
  From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases 
due to an imperfect world.
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
   

   
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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry,
 I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
infections,etc.
 After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it
is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
Please let me know what is going on there with the
declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. 
Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are
helping our poor little guys and my first impression
is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
those people that is every bit as mortified of
declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
someday realize that declawing is not a good thing to
do to a cat...
God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
Sincerely, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-22 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that I 
too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in already 
declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much as I hate to 
say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats already declawed. 
:( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same roof.Most get along but 
there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I believe as does Jen 
the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the 
streets because they claw the furniture and etc. And they don't take the time 
to try and train them to do differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I 
personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to run her shelter :(  I 
respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say 
anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it hurts you and I respect your 
opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on our sweet
 Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are beautiful and 
healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next 
baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at 
Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my 
backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are trying to get homes 
for them.
  Sherry

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sherry,
I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
infections,etc.
After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If it
is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
Please let me know what is going on there with the
declawing or please tell me it was a computer glitch. 
Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you are
helping our poor little guys and my first impression
is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
those people that is every bit as mortified of
declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
someday realize that declawing is not a good thing to
do to a cat...
God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
Sincerely, Glenda
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Re: Here is the link

2007-09-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry,
Thank you for getting back to me and everyone else
here...
I have run across that type of thinking before at a
shelter in Wisconsin...I found it on petfinders.com.
It is called: The Home for Endangered and Lost Pets. 
This was during the time I was hunting for
Polydactyls, having a kitty foot fetish, like I do,
was extra horrified. I followed up and complained to
them and directed them to some of the declaw
information sites...I was told they were set on their
beliefs and felt cats were just more adoptable if they
were declawed before being offered for adoption. They
would declaw when the kitty was altered. They were all
excited about the new laser procedure and were led to
believe, by their vet, that it was a kinder way to
perform the operation...The way I understand declawing
it is amputation any way you spell it...The second toe
joint,right ? 
It is not like most uninformed people think, just
removing the toenails...It can cause life long pain,
balance problems, low self esteem and can affect the
leg muscles , because kitties cannot exercise their
legs properly...This is what they are doing when they
scratch posts, etc...not just sharpening their
claws...The leg muscles shrivel up in the legs...AND
kitties feel with their toe tips and experience life
examining items, mice, etc. 
Oh well, Sherry, just had to mention all these things
for those reading this that have not really looked
into the declawing issues...
Now back to your site. It is beautifully done and the
kitties are stunning...wish I had more room and more
money...Someday a cat lady will win a 3-million $
lottery and watch out! WHY CAN'T PEOPLE LIKE THAT WIN
THE BIG BUCKS ?
 Anyway, now, when you mention a kitty's name, some of
us that are new, like me, can go find him... I can
tell, Crash Landing is seriously a loving place with
obviously the best intentions...Maybe as more people
learn what declawing really is more people will not
opt for declawed kitties and be willing to do a couple
simple things to teach their cat where he is able to
exercise his feet and legs and where he cannot and
pick up a scratcher, some catnip and some kitty
repellent spray...? Thank you again for all you do
Sherry and thank you for answering my questions...A
quick thought on the featured kitty with only one eye:
I think she probably would get too close to the edge
of the litter box and having only one eye, would see
things a bit off center. Try closing one of your eyes
and see what I mean...Just a thought...
 Thank you,
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
 of all want to say that I too am not one for
 declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
 already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
 are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
 (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
 already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
 living under the same roof.Most get along but there
 could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
 believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
 that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
 because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
 don't take the time to try and train them to do
 differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
 personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
 run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for
 the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
 anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
 hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
 good wishes on our sweet
  Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
 they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
 look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
 baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
 Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
 Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
 backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
 house,we are trying to get homes for them.
   Sherry
 
 glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sherry,
 I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
 Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
 with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
 terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
 infections,etc.
 After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
 course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
 next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
 your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
 guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
 everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
 FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
 it
 is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
 as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
 Please let me know what is going on there with the
 declawing or please tell me it was a computer
 glitch. 
 Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you
 are
 helping our poor little guys and my first impression
 is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
 those people that is every 

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-22 Thread Susan Dubose
Right now I know of another shelter that has 100+cats living cage free under 
one roof that are not declawed.

Any of them.

There have not been any serious cat fights or injuries, either.

Declawing is nothing more than a mutilation.

And it should be illegal.


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:50 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that I 
too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in already 
declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much as I hate to 
say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats already declawed. 
:( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same roof.Most get along but 
there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I believe as does Jen 
the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the 
streets because they claw the furniture and etc. And they don't take the time 
to try and train them to do differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I 
personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to run her shelter :(  I 
respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say 
anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it hurts you and I respect your 
opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys 
came from Sids and they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up 
Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my 
beautiful Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I 
rescued her and her 5 kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at 
his house,we are trying to get homes for them.
  Sherry

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RE: here is the link to my photo albums

2006-10-16 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Thanks Diane!! :)Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  What beautiful babies!Diane R.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaanSent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:21 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: here is the link to my photo
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2006-10-16 Thread Sherry DeHaan
thanks Gina :)Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Sherry,Gorgeous, all of them! I love seeing everyone's kitty pictures!:) Gina  Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos   Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. 
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2006-10-15 Thread wendy
I hadn't seen the pics of Tristan.  He is
BEAUTIFUL

:)
Wendy

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2006-10-15 Thread Sherry DeHaan
THank you,he IS a beauty.Sorry I forgot to say to see the pics of Tristan.  I have 4 beautiful boys!! ;)wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I hadn't seen the pics of Tristan. He isBEAUTIFUL:)Wendy--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos  - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
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Hi Sherry,Gorgeous, all of them! I love seeing everyone's kitty pictures!:) Gina  Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos  Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle 
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