Re: Holistic Vets

2008-03-02 Thread catatonya
I'm chiming in so late here, but I hope Boo is hanging in there.  Has nothing 
been said of the possibility of fip with the fluid, etc?
   
  tonya

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization
before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in
putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want
to do this to a seemingly well animal. He thought that was pretty funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine
the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a
personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last
night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid
aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground
right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck
in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Lynne
 I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
 both of you.
 He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
 feels like.
 Take care of yourself.

 Jane




 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems
like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren 
  To: FeLV Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed

Re: Holistic Vets

2008-03-02 Thread Lynne
He was diagnosed with FIP as well Tonya.  I realize this apparently cannot be 
diagnosed until after death but his culture and all other symptoms lead the vet 
to diagnose him with that as well.  He's had 2 shots of interferon now and is 
getting ready for a blood transfusion this coming week.  He's not feeling 
terrific today, a touch of loose stools but this is a side effect of the 
interferon.  Other than being very tired he's purring his little head off while 
resting.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


  I'm chiming in so late here, but I hope Boo is hanging in there.  Has nothing 
been said of the possibility of fip with the fluid, etc?

  tonya

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization
before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in
putt ing individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want
to do this to a seemingly well animal. He thought that was pretty funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine
the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a
personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last
night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid
aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground
right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck
in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Ker ry N. 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wedne sday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
na sty
details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Lynne
 I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
 both of you.
 He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
 feels like.
 Take care of yourself.

 Jane




 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One. I'm go nna call the supplier today. My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had

Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable.
I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose about the
expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are
causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets


 Hi, All -
 First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I had a
cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
 I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I questioned my
regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard
of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the
stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
 Sue





Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Sue Koren
Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a 
pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like 
they considered dogs to be more importent.  WE know better.
What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty 
healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He worries me when he 
pants when he plays, though.
Sue 

 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=
Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable.
I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose about the
expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are
causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets


 Hi, All -
 First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I had a
cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
 I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I questioned my
regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard
of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the
stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
 Sue







Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Jane Lyons

Lynne
I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the  
both of you.
He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love  
feels like.

Take care of yourself.

Jane




On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended  
something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has  
now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've  
decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep  
comfortable.

I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the  
culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a  
really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want  
to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose  
about the

expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just  
euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested  
in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and  
they are

causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets



Hi, All -
First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I  
had a

cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I  
questioned my
regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had  
not heard

of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything  
for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the  
virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz  
through the

stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

Sue









Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.  Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Lynne
 I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
 both of you.
 He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
 feels like.
 Take care of yourself.

 Jane




 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 






Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Marylyn

Try checking out   http://www.horizonvetserv.com/

Dr. Maier has a lot of experience with FeLV+ and may be able to give  
you some ideas.  There are homeopathics that work wonders.  I don't  
know what Factor One is but I have used numerous rememdies from her  
and from Dr. E A Boswell in Louisville with several animal friends.   
There are hoeopathics that work as antibiotics too..silver- 
max  comes to mind since I recently used it with  Dixie and an eye  
infection.  I am no expert but my regular vets sent me to Dr. Boswell  
many years ago and they continue to refer people to her.  Dr. Maier  
studied under Dr. Boswell.  There has to be something to it.  I can't  
explain it but I can't explain how injecting a dead virus prevents an  
illness either.


My two cents worth only.  Take what works and leave the rest.

Good luck.  I do know how hard this is.


On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended  
something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has  
now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've  
decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep  
comfortable.

I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture  
comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a  
really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to  
do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose  
about the

expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just  
euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested  
in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and  
they are

causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets



Hi, All -
First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I  
had a

cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I  
questioned my
regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not  
heard

of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything  
for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the  
virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz  
through the

stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

Sue









Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Jane Lyons

Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list  
such as this.

We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be  
made available

to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
Jane






On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she  
thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And  
it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more  
importent.  WE know better.
What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still  
pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He  
worries me when he pants when he plays, though.

Sue

 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=
Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended  
something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has  
now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've  
decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep  
comfortable.

I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the  
culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a  
really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want  
to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose  
about the

expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just  
euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested  
in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and  
they are

causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets



Hi, All -
First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I  
had a

cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I  
questioned my
regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had  
not heard

of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything  
for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the  
virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz  
through the

stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

Sue











Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Jane Lyons
Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are  
using it with great results.

Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product.
Best
Jane
On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote:

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer  
Factor.  I am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are  
totally

correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
such as this.
We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
made available
to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
Jane






On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:


Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
importent.  WE know better.
What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
Sue

 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=
Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
comfortable.
I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for  
him.

Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
about the
expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems  
like

something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
they are
causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets



Hi, All -
First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
had a

cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!

I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
questioned my

regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
not heard
of much success with those things and said I might want to  
consider a

Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
through the
stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

Sue

















Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread laurieskatz
We used this for Isabella for awhile. Not sure what all helped as we did 
many things.

L
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I 
am

desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
such as this.
We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
made available
to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
Jane






On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

 Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
 thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
 it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
 importent.  WE know better.
 What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
 pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
 worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
 Sue

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 =
 Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
 something
 called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
 now told
 me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
 decided
 that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
 comfortable.
 I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
 Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
 culture comes
 back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
 really nice
 guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
 to do
 anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
 about the
 expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

 Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
 something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
 euthanize,
 which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
 in dogs
 than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
 they are
 causing problems.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
 Subject: Holistic Vets


 Hi, All -
 First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
 had a
 cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
 afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
 I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
 questioned my
 regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
 not heard
 of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
 Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
 for a
 FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
 virus.  It
 is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
 through the
 stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
 Sue

















Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
 I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
 such as this.
 We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
 I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
 made available
 to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
 Jane






 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

  Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
  thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
  it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
  importent.  WE know better.
  What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
  pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
  worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
  Sue
 
   Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  =
  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 
 
 






RE: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
I can't find anything on Factor One in a (quick) google search. Was
this a typo in the original email?
But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the
use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I
am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
 I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
 such as this.
 We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
 I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
 made available
 to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
 Jane






 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

  Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
  thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
  it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
  importent.  WE know better.
  What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
  pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
  worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
  Sue
 
   Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  =
  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
I just placed an order for it Jane.  It's probably the least expensive thing
I've had to put money out for lately!!  Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10
days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are
 using it with great results.
 Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product.
 Best
 Jane
 On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote:

  You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer
  Factor.  I am
  desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are
  totally
  correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
  vendors.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
  I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
  such as this.
  We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
  I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
  made available
  to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
  Jane
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:
 
  Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
  thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
  it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
  importent.  WE know better.
  What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
  pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
  worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
  Sue
 
   Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  =
  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
  him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
  like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to
  consider a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 






Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?

2008-02-20 Thread laurieskatz

Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered?
If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight to 
you if you'll send me yours when you get it.
(or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't open 
the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your mailing 
info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31 
windchill, I have to go out anyway).

Laurie (Iowa)
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


I just placed an order for it Jane.  It's probably the least expensive 
thing

I've had to put money out for lately!!  Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10
days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are
using it with great results.
Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product.
Best
Jane
On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote:

 You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer
 Factor.  I am
 desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are
 totally
 correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
 vendors.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
 I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
 such as this.
 We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
 I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
 made available
 to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
 Jane






 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

 Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
 thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
 it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
 importent.  WE know better.
 What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
 pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
 worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
 Sue

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 =
 Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
 something
 called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
 now told
 me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
 decided
 that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
 comfortable.
 I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
 him.
 Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
 culture comes
 back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
 really nice
 guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
 to do
 anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
 about the
 expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

 Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
 like
 something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
 euthanize,
 which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
 in dogs
 than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
 they are
 causing problems.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
 Subject: Holistic Vets


 Hi, All -
 First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
 had a
 cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
 afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
 I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
 questioned my
 regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
 not heard
 of much success with those things and said I might want to
 consider a
 Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
 for a
 FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
 virus.  It
 is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
 through the
 stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
 Sue





















RE: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Lynne
 I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
 both of you.
 He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
 feels like.
 Take care of yourself.

 Jane




 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 


_
Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP.
 
IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was 
neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and 
cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that 
may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax 
advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, 
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Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lance
I'm a big fan of Vetri-Science' Liquid DMG product. It costs me around
$30-35
for a bottle that lasts for three months. It's given orally with an
eyedropper. 
Ember, my FeLV+ cat, is really good about taking it, so it must not
taste too bad. 

Lance

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:59:18 -0500, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 I just placed an order for it Jane.  It's probably the least expensive
 thing
 I've had to put money out for lately!!  Unfortunately it will take 8 to
 10
 days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border.
 
 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are
  using it with great results.
  Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product.
  Best
  Jane
  On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote:
 
   You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer
   Factor.  I am
   desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are
   totally
   correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
   vendors.
  
   Lynne
   - Original Message -
   From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
   Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
  
  
   Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
   I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
   such as this.
   We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
   I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
   made available
   to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
   Jane
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:
  
   Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
   thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
   it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
   importent.  WE know better.
   What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
   pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
   worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
   Sue
  
    Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   =
   Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
   something
   called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
   now told
   me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
   decided
   that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
   comfortable.
   I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
   him.
   Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
   culture comes
   back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
   really nice
   guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
   to do
   anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
   about the
   expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
  
   Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
   like
   something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
   euthanize,
   which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
   in dogs
   than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
   they are
   causing problems.
  
   Lynne
   - Original Message -
   From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
   Subject: Holistic Vets
  
  
   Hi, All -
   First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
   had a
   cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
   afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
   I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
   questioned my
   regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
   not heard
   of much success with those things and said I might want to
   consider a
   Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
   for a
   FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
   virus.  It
   is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
   through the
   stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
   Sue
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
-- 
  Lance Linimon
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread laurieskatz
Where I live it is abuse to fail to provide medical care for a sick or 
injured animal. You might see if there is any recourse down that avenue.

L

- Original Message - 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Lynne
I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
both of you.
He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
feels like.
Take care of yourself.

Jane




On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
 something
 called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
 now told
 me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
 decided
 that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
 comfortable.
 I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for

him.

 Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
 culture comes
 back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
 really nice
 guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
 to do
 anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
 about the
 expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

 Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems

like

 something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
 euthanize,
 which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
 in dogs
 than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
 they are
 causing problems.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
 Subject: Holistic Vets


 Hi, All -
 First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
 had a
 cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
 afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
 I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
 questioned my
 regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
 not heard
 of much success with those things and said I might want to consider

a

 Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
 for a
 FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
 virus.  It
 is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
 through the
 stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
 Sue






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Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
Kerry, did you see my follow up email.  It isn't factor one it's transfer
factor.  I don't know what I was thinking when I said it was the former.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can't find anything on Factor One in a (quick) google search. Was
this a typo in the original email?
But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the
use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I
am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
 I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
 such as this.
 We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
 I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
 made available
 to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
 Jane






 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

  Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
  thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
  it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
  importent.  WE know better.
  What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
  pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
  worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
  Sue
 
   Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  =
  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 
 
 



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Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Kelley Saveika
Unfortunately I think they count euthanization...is that how you spell it?
as medical care.

On 2/20/08, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where I live it is abuse to fail to provide medical care for a sick or
 injured animal. You might see if there is any recourse down that avenue.
 L

 - Original Message -
 From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:13 AM
 Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


 I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
 your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
 It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
 a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
 you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
 terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
 I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
 they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
 them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
 their care.
 Kerry


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

 Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
 experiencing
 as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
 Honestly I
 think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
 that
 we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
 not
 given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
 there
 is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
 husband
 has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
 him
 because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
 they
 should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
 their
 neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
 been
 through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
 nasty
 details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
 is
 and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
 by
 saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
 won't have to experience this agony.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


  Lynne
  I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
  both of you.
  He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
  feels like.
  Take care of yourself.
 
  Jane
 
 
 
 
  On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:
 
   Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
   something
   called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
   now told
   me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
   decided
   that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
   comfortable.
   I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
 him.
   Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
   culture comes
   back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
   really nice
   guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
   to do
   anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
   about the
   expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
  
   Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
 like
   something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
   euthanize,
   which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
   in dogs
   than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
   they are
   causing problems.
  
   Lynne
   - Original Message -
   From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
   Subject: Holistic Vets
  
  
   Hi, All -
   First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
   had a
   cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
   afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
   I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
   questioned my
   regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
   not heard
   of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
 a
   Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
   for a
   FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
   virus.  It
   is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
   through the
   stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
   Sue

Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
No Laurie, it is the Transfer Factor Plus Advance for humans.  They won't
ship any animal products to Canada.  Thank you for your kind offer but if it
got checked at the border they would just toss it out.  I've had that
happen.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?


 Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered?
 If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight
to
 you if you'll send me yours when you get it.
 (or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't
open
 the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your
mailing
 info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31
 windchill, I have to go out anyway).
 Laurie (Iowa)
 - Original Message -
 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 I just placed an order for it Jane.  It's probably the least expensive
 thing
  I've had to put money out for lately!!  Unfortunately it will take 8 to
10
  days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the
border.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are
  using it with great results.
  Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product.
  Best
  Jane
  On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote:
 
   You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer
   Factor.  I am
   desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are
   totally
   correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
   vendors.
  
   Lynne
   - Original Message -
   From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
   Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
  
  
   Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
   I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
   such as this.
   We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
   I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
   made available
   to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent.
(IMHO)
   Jane
  
  
  
  
  
  
   On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:
  
   Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
   thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
   it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
   importent.  WE know better.
   What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
   pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
   worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
   Sue
  
    Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   =
   Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
   something
   called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
   now told
   me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
   decided
   that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
   comfortable.
   I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
   him.
   Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
   culture comes
   back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
   really nice
   guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
   to do
   anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
   about the
   expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
  
   Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
   like
   something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
   euthanize,
   which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
   in dogs
   than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
   they are
   causing problems.
  
   Lynne
   - Original Message -
   From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
   Subject: Holistic Vets
  
  
   Hi, All -
   First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
   had a
   cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
   afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
   I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
   questioned my
   regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
   not heard
   of much success with those things and said I might want to
   consider a
   Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
   for a
   FeLV+ cat that would

RE: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Lynne, you are so right about everything coming from you---it sounds
like your vet isn't clued up about FeLV which would not be unusual.
When I ordered the IR for my Flavia (on the recommendation of the
wonderful Michelle Lerner who used to be on this list) my (also
compasssionate) vet, Dr Diane, had to ask ME about the protocols! But at
least she was willing to work with me. And she also got permission from
her boss, the clinic owner, to come to my house -- I was due to go away
at the time; it was horrible timing -- to treat Flavia, and her boss
told her there would be no charge! 
It all became moot in the end because Flavia's HCT plummeted again, and
I couldn't put her through another transfusion.
My current vet has been refreshingly open to learning about FeLV, and
asked me for details a couple years ago of how to get feline interferon
from the UK for another of his clients whose cat had just been diagnosed
positive.
Maybe your vet will also learn from you, and take a more proactive view
in future.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered
euthanization
before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in
putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I
want
to do this to a seemingly well animal.  He thought that was pretty
funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise.  I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do
imagine
the worse and want to get over it quickly.  I really like this vet on a
personal level.  He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband
last
night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him.  I am not
a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and
fluid
aspiration.  If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the
ground
right now.  And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind
of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved
Chuck
in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Lynne
 I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
 both of you.
 He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
 feels like.
 Take care of yourself.

 Jane




 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo

RE: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Yes, got it Lynne! 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Kerry, did you see my follow up email.  It isn't factor one it's
transfer
factor.  I don't know what I was thinking when I said it was the former.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can't find anything on Factor One in a (quick) google search. Was
this a typo in the original email?
But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the
use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support.
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer Factor.  I
am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally
correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
 I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
 such as this.
 We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
 I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
 made available
 to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
 Jane






 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:

  Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
  thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
  it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
  importent.  WE know better.
  What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
  pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
  worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
  Sue
 
   Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  =
  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to consider
a
  Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
  for a
  FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
  virus.  It
  is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
  through the
  stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
  Sue
 
 
 
 
 




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Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Marylyn
Where is previous owners breeders?  If so, report them to the various  
animal societies.I guess cats have the equivalent of AKC.   
Also the BBB.  First, you can vent.  Second, you may save another cat  
or its people.

On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Lynne wrote:

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are  
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.   
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was  
diagnosed that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I  
had not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if  
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My  
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on  
with him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning  
that they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of  
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests  
he's been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all  
the nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my  
husband is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my  
email by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so  
you

won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Lynne
I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
both of you.
He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
feels like.
Take care of yourself.

Jane




On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:


Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
comfortable.
I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for  
him.

Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
about the
expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems  
like

something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
they are
causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets



Hi, All -
First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
had a

cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!

I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
questioned my

regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
not heard
of much success with those things and said I might want to  
consider a

Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
through the
stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

Sue















Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Lynne
Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization
before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in
putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want
to do this to a seemingly well animal.  He thought that was pretty funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise.  I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine
the worse and want to get over it quickly.  I really like this vet on a
personal level.  He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last
night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him.  I am not a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid
aspiration.  If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground
right now.  And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck
in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Lynne
 I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
 both of you.
 He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
 feels like.
 Take care of yourself.

 Jane




 On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere

Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread Marylyn
If it helps any I have used Transfer Factor on several critters and it  
has been recommended by holistic vets I know.  If you don't feel you  
can afford it, please try colostrum.  It helps boost the immune system  
big time.

On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Lynne wrote:

You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer  
Factor.  I am
desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are  
totally

correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous
vendors.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
such as this.
We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
made available
to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO)
Jane






On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:


Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
importent.  WE know better.
What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
Sue

 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

=
Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
something
called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
now told
me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
decided
that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
comfortable.
I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for  
him.

Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
culture comes
back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
really nice
guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
to do
anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
about the
expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems  
like

something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
euthanize,
which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
in dogs
than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and
they are
causing problems.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Holistic Vets



Hi, All -
First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
had a

cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!

I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
questioned my

regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
not heard
of much success with those things and said I might want to  
consider a

Holistic Vet.  I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything
for a
FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the
virus.  It
is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz
through the
stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.

Sue

















Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?

2008-02-20 Thread laurieskatz

wow. ok.
L
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?



No Laurie, it is the Transfer Factor Plus Advance for humans.  They won't
ship any animal products to Canada.  Thank you for your kind offer but if 
it

got checked at the border they would just toss it out.  I've had that
happen.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?



Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered?
If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight

to

you if you'll send me yours when you get it.
(or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't

open

the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your

mailing

info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31
windchill, I have to go out anyway).
Laurie (Iowa)
- Original Message -
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


I just placed an order for it Jane.  It's probably the least expensive
thing
 I've had to put money out for lately!!  Unfortunately it will take 8 to

10

 days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the

border.


 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


 Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are
 using it with great results.
 Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product.
 Best
 Jane
 On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote:

  You are absolutely correct Jane.  Again, it's called Transfer
  Factor.  I am
  desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are
  totally
  correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some 
  unscrupulous

  vendors.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One?
  I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list
  such as this.
  We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking.
  I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be
  made available
  to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent.

(IMHO)

  Jane
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote:
 
  Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she
  thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And
  it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more
  importent.  WE know better.
  What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still
  pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way.  He
  worries me when he pants when he plays, though.
  Sue
 
   Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  =
  Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
  something
  called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
  now told
  me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
  decided
  that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
  comfortable.
  I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for
  him.
  Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
  culture comes
  back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
  really nice
  guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
  to do
  anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
  about the
  expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.
 
  Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems
  like
  something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just
  euthanize,
  which is shameful.  Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested
  in dogs
  than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around 
  and

  they are
  causing problems.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM
  Subject: Holistic Vets
 
 
  Hi, All -
  First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better.  I
  had a
  cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well
  afterwards.  Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon!
  I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet.  When I
  questioned my
  regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had
  not heard
  of much success with those things and said I might want to
  consider a
  Holistic Vet

Re: Holistic Vets

2008-02-20 Thread laurieskatz
Lynne, I understand. I have the ashes of Angel (I did not name her), a 
gorgeoue white deaf kitty I took to the vet specialty college to have 
biopsies and a feeding tube placed when her previous owner abandoned her 
because she was sick. Her ashes are with my Teddy and Keisha and a buck 
(long story) that I tried to help after someone shot him. The things we do 
out of love for these wonderful creatures!

L

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets


Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered 
euthanization

before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in
putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want
to do this to a seemingly well animal.  He thought that was pretty funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise.  I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do 
imagine

the worse and want to get over it quickly.  I really like this vet on a
personal level.  He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband 
last

night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him.  I am not a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid
aspiration.  If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground
right now.  And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind 
of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved 
Chuck

in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets


I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their care.
Kerry


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets

Thank you Jane.  I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well.  I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia.  It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance.  I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge.  My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity.  So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
nasty
details including the financial impact.  I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me.  I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets



Lynne
I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
both of you.
He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
feels like.
Take care of yourself.

Jane




On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
 something
 called Factor One.  I'm gonna call the supplier today.  My vet has
 now told
 me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late.  I've
 decided
 that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep
 comfortable.
 I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for

him.

 Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the
 culture comes
 back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that.  Our vet is a
 really nice
 guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want
 to do
 anything unless we tell him what to do.  He's concerned I suppose
 about the
 expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results.

 Good luck with the Holistic vet.  Around here this disease seems

like

 something that has