Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[glenda Goodman]

Taylor, I am glad they are willing to keep him the
3-days, with me testing him Thursday I know they will
keep him alive and he may warm up. 
At my house right now, keeping him would be hard,
especially, if he is wild. I work a lot and my kitties
are all on schedules , because I now must divide my
time up for my  six negatives and my one positive
kitty. I have seven kitties. I do not believe in
mixing negatives and positives, even if everyone is
vaccinated...
I will see if Marmalade will give me hope that I can
get through to him. I know he might be willing to
negotiate...I felt that right after he was caught...If
he would talk to me in a sweet kitty voice, I know, he
will be telling me he is going to be trying to get
along with people.I'll visit him tomorrow.  He , has
been completely quiet with me last night, but the lady
at the shelter said, this morning he was howling at
her... They had kept him in his trap all
night...Therefore, she considered him to be "wild". We
do have three days...This town does not have any type
of feral cat people/ program.
I did just start researching FIV online and am soaking
up info. I think I first thought of you guys , because
the support here is so wonderful...and this list gives
people hope...
Thank you, Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Glenda, if the little wild orange guy Marmalade is
> clean can you--or  
> someone else--take him?  Sometimes a cat that seems
> wild in a shelter  
> is merely scared to death, as for instance he calmed
> right down when  
> you spoke quietly to him.  Bless you for taking him
> to be tested.   
> You've done a very good deed.  If he is positive it
> does not  
> automatically mean little Feeto (WHAT a superb name!
>  I love it!)  
> will get anything OR he may get something and throw
> it off.  It's  
> much easier for an older cat's immune system to
> throw off a virus  
> than, say, a kitten given FeLV by its mother--their
> immune systems  
> are hardly fully developed so it's harder for them
> to mount an immune  
> response to invaders.
> 
> By the way, this month's Scientific American has a
> big article on how  
> cancer cells hijack the human immune system to use
> it for their ends  
> and new chemotherapy protocols in the works. 
> Extremely informative.   
> Also a great learning tool about the immune system
> of mammmals like  
> us AND kitties.
> 
> "Consciousness is Causal
>   and Physicality is its
>   Manifestation."
> 
> 
> On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:18 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
> 
> >
> > --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >> Well there are two subjects here I want to get
> >> advice
> >> and support on.
> >> Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
> >> knew
> >> of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
> >> seems
> >> a couple of her clients came in today and
> received
> >> the
> >> bad news that their two kittens had tested
> positive
> >> for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
> kittens
> >> were sisters and both very bright, educated
> >> gals...one
> >> being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
> good
> >> minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
> here
> >> a
> >> visit and be interested in learning, from this
> very
> >> progressive site...I will be talking to them
> later
> >> today and try to convince them not to panic and
> not
> >> opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
> of
> >> any rescue groups that would take these
> >> kittens...This
> >> is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
> here,
> >> in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
> >> organization they could turn these kittens over
> to.
> >>
> >>  They do have other cats that share the
> household.
> >> The
> >> kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
> >> flood me with some helpful information for these
> >> gals,
> >> so we can give them some hope for their kittens
> and
> >> make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
> >> they
> >> might be willing to sign on to this list,but if
> not
> >> I
> >> will at least forward them some good information
> >> from
> >> you guys...
> >> These two ladies are in their late twenties or
> early
> >> thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We
> are
> >> here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
> >> believe, with all their heart, the only real
> option,
> >> is putting positive cats down...
> >> Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing
> with
> >> today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
> >> base
> >> of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My
> son
> >> had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
> >> better than to let my kitties outside at
> night...but
> >> with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
> >> schedules...and keeping everyone seperat

Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi, There is a good possibiity that these kittens tested false positive for FIV 
- you need to ask them to do western blot test to be really sure that they are 
indeed FIV positive -

I wish I could tell them in person what a not big deal at all to have FIV 
positive kitties -- many many many kitties will do live a normal life span - 
you wont even know that they are FIV positive -- the name scares people more 
than anything else -- 45% of kitties who tested false positive at my house -- 
so I do have to ask that they confirm it first with western blot - I have 8 IV 
positive kitties at my household and they are all so healthy ...five of them 
are close to 10 years old, and they never have gotten sick or anything - and 
they are healthier than some of my non fiv positive kitties - please let me 
know if I can help in anyway;;

Also I suggest that you or they join FIVcats2 yahoo group -- lots of people 
there do mix their positives and negatives at their house, and never heard that 
their negatives became positives by living together - they share everyrthing, 
and they groom each other and they do love bites.. 

nina on the list also mix his FIV boy, Star mix with her negative kitties.

Hugs,

Hideyo
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:18 PM
  Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...



  --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
  > From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
  > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  > 
  > Hi Everyone,
  > Well there are two subjects here I want to get
  > advice
  > and support on. 
  > Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
  > knew
  > of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
  > seems
  > a couple of her clients came in today and received
  > the
  > bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
  > for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
  > were sisters and both very bright, educated
  > gals...one
  > being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
  > minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
  > a
  > visit and be interested in learning, from this very
  > progressive site...I will be talking to them later
  > today and try to convince them not to panic and not
  > opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
  > any rescue groups that would take these
  > kittens...This
  > is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
  > in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
  > organization they could turn these kittens over to. 
  > 
  >  They do have other cats that share the household.
  > The
  > kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
  > flood me with some helpful information for these
  > gals,
  > so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
  > make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
  > they
  > might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
  > I
  > will at least forward them some good information
  > from
  > you guys...
  > These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
  > thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
  > here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
  > believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
  > is putting positive cats down...
  > Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
  > today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
  > base
  > of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
  > had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
  > better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
  > with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
  > schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
  > had
  > been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
  > happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
  > KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
  > FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED.
  > 
  > FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD
  > AND
  > HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY
  > AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A
  > BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND
  > ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH
  > 24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT
  > BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY
  > FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A
  > FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK
  > WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE
  > NEXT
  > DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK
  > EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING
  > TO
  > TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
  > WELL,
  > TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE
  > IS
  > A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN 

Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Glenda, if the little wild orange guy Marmalade is clean can you--or  
someone else--take him?  Sometimes a cat that seems wild in a shelter  
is merely scared to death, as for instance he calmed right down when  
you spoke quietly to him.  Bless you for taking him to be tested.   
You've done a very good deed.  If he is positive it does not  
automatically mean little Feeto (WHAT a superb name!  I love it!)  
will get anything OR he may get something and throw it off.  It's  
much easier for an older cat's immune system to throw off a virus  
than, say, a kitten given FeLV by its mother--their immune systems  
are hardly fully developed so it's harder for them to mount an immune  
response to invaders.


By the way, this month's Scientific American has a big article on how  
cancer cells hijack the human immune system to use it for their ends  
and new chemotherapy protocols in the works.  Extremely informative.   
Also a great learning tool about the immune system of mammmals like  
us AND kitties.


"Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:18 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:



--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Hi Everyone,
Well there are two subjects here I want to get
advice
and support on.
Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
knew
of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
seems
a couple of her clients came in today and received
the
bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
were sisters and both very bright, educated
gals...one
being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
a
visit and be interested in learning, from this very
progressive site...I will be talking to them later
today and try to convince them not to panic and not
opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
any rescue groups that would take these
kittens...This
is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
organization they could turn these kittens over to.

 They do have other cats that share the household.
The
kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
flood me with some helpful information for these
gals,
so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
they
might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
I
will at least forward them some good information
from
you guys...
These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
is putting positive cats down...
Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
base
of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
had
been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED.

FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD
AND
HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY
AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A
BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND
ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH
24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT
BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY
FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A
FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK
WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE
NEXT
DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK
EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING
TO
TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
WELL,
TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE
IS
A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN WITH THE WILD
CATS. HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. I WANT TO NAME HIM
MARMALADE.HE DESERVES A NAME... HE HISSED AT ME LAST
NIGHT, BUT SETTLED DOWN AFTER I TALKED, QUIETLY TO
HIM. THEN THE POLICEMAN TOOK HIM AND HAULED HIM OFF
TO
THE SHELTER. I WAS TOLD THEY WILL KEEP HIM 3-DAYS.
THEN HE WILL BE PUT DOWN.
I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT MY FEETO HAVING BEEN BITTEN,
SO I HAVE GOTTEN PERMISSION TO TAKE HIM, MARMALADE,
IN
TO BE TESTED FOR FeLV AND FIV. I TOLD MY FRIEND, IF
HE
TESTS CLEAN, IT IS VERY SAD HE WILL BE PUT DOWN, A
BEAUTIFUL AND HEALTHY CAT...HE ONLY NEEDS A LITTLE
TIME TO BE SOCIALIZED. WE HAVE NO OPTIONS
,WHATSOEVER,HERE, FOR "WILD" KITTIES. MY BRAIN WILL
BE
WORKING OVERTIME ON WAYS TO SAVE THIS CAT,
ESPECIALLY, IF HE TESTS NEGATIVE...MAYBE I CAN BUY
HIM
A