Re: We are having issues

2007-11-17 Thread catatonya
I'm having very similar issues with a male attacking 3 of my other cats.  I 
just try to lock him up when I can.  I have also given him clonicalm.. 
but that hasn't really seemed to help.
  tonya

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at 
my wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to 
do.  Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a 
friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE 
wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very 
friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being 
petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. :(  
They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten 
progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the 
bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under the bed.  And I know it was just because 
she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally 
had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water.  
   
  What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their 
mood, but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass in the hall without 
fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There doesn't seem to be any 
precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and 
they're off.  I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and 
infecting her.  Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for 
a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of 
the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom.  Any of 
you guys had any success with behavior modification?  I welcome any 
thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past.  Poppy, the third 
one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part.  I've 
seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. 
:(  Penny and Poppy do well together most of the time (they both
 sleep in my bed at night).  Any ideas?




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Re: We are having issues

2007-11-17 Thread Gloria Lane
I don't know, just thinking do you think it would help to cage her for  
a few days, with the other cats around?  Perhaps keeping on the  
clonicalm...?


Gloria



On Nov 17, 2007, at 5:20 AM, catatonya wrote:

I'm having very similar issues with a male attacking 3 of my other  
cats.  I just try to lock him up when I can.  I have also given him  
clonicalm.. but that hasn't really seemed to help.

tonya

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm  
at my wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't  
know what to do.  Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very  
standoffish personality, not a friendly type cat, doesn't want to  
be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and  
Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a  
stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and  
isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. : 
(  They never really liked each other, but the last few months it  
has gotten progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is  
afraid to come out of the bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under the  
bed.  And I know it was just because she was afraid of Grizzabella  
and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally had to put a  
litterbox in there for her, and food/water.


What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on  
their mood, but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass in  
the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There  
doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is one  
of them seeing the other and they're off.  I'm really worried Bella  
is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her.  Right now  
when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few hours so  
Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of the  
morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom.   
Any of you guys had any success with behavior modification?  I  
welcome any thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the  
past.  Poppy, the third one in the house proper, gets along with  
both of them, for the most part.  I've seen Poppy jump Penny a time  
or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. :(  Penny and  
Poppy do well together most of the time (they both sleep in my bed  
at night).  Any ideas?




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Re: We are having issues

2007-11-10 Thread Marylyn
I haven't followed a lot of this but did ask one of my holistic vets about 
essences.  She prefers  Perelandra  (www.perelandra-ltd.com ) over Bach.  I 
have included the website in case you want to check it out.  I know I will be 
since I am hooked on Bach right now. 

Good luck. 





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:14 PM
  Subject: Re: We are having issues


  THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end.
  Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Unusually Unique 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: We are having issues


I'm new here but I think I might be able to help.  I was having a similiar 
issue with my kids.  Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ 
started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats.  Yota, 8 
yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw.  
I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I 
had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic 
leukemia).  I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a 
very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior.  She 
suggested using a flower essense called Vine Essence.  According to the book 
we were looking at it helps with domination issues.  It helps cats who feel 
the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats.  She suggested putting it in 
their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs 
from you.  She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it 
in their water.  The essenses only affect the one with issues.  I also found 
an article that might help you if this is something your considering : 
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 .  All I 
know is that I used it and it worked.  Now when Waco starts playing I AM ALPHA 
CAT  I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid 
vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch!  And I hate to 
say this but you might have Penelope checked out.  She could be sick or having 
issues your not aware of yet.  Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or 
sick.  Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha.  Just 
something to think about.

Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your 
FeLV+ cat?


- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM
Subject: We are having issues


Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my 
wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. 
 Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a 
friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE 
wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very 
friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being 
petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. :(  
They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten 
progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the 
bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under the bed.  And I know it was just because 
she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally 
had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water.  

What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their 
mood, but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass in the hall without 
fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There doesn't seem to be any 
precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and 
they're off.  I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and 
infecting her.  Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for 
a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of 
the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom.  Any of 
you guys had any success with behavior modification?  I welcome any 
thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past.  Poppy, the third 
one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part.  I've 
seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like

Re: We are having issues

2007-11-10 Thread Gloria Lane
I have a friend in New  York who goes to North Carolina every year to  
get visit the perelandra place - she loves their remedies.


Gloria



On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Marylyn wrote:

I haven't followed a lot of this but did ask one of my holistic  
vets about essences.  She prefers  Perelandra  (www.perelandra- 
ltd.com ) over Bach.  I have included the website in case you want  
to check it out.  I know I will be since I am hooked on Bach right  
now.


Good luck.





 If you have men  
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter  
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
   
St. Francis

- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: We are having issues

THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end.
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: Unusually Unique
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: We are having issues

I'm new here but I think I might be able to help.  I was having a  
similiar issue with my kids.  Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are  
pretty sure is FeLV+ started getting real aggressive with 2 of my  
other weaker, sick cats.  Yota, 8 yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake,  
14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw.  I've been doing a lot  
of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets  
tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic  
leukemia).  I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was  
talking with a very nice sales lady and I happened to mention  
Waco's aggressive behavior.  She suggested using a flower essense  
called Vine Essence.  According to the book we were looking at it  
helps with domination issues.  It helps cats who feel the need to  
pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats.  She suggested putting it in  
their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when  
getting some luvs from you.  She also told me that it would not  
affect the other cats if I put it in their water.  The essenses  
only affect the one with issues.  I also found an article that  
might help you if this is something your considering :http:// 
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 .   
All I know is that I used it and it worked.  Now when Waco starts  
playing I AM ALPHA CAT  I either rub some on his ears or put a  
couple of drops in his liquid vitamins and all that goes in a  
dropper straight down the hatch!  And I hate to say this but you  
might have Penelope checked out.  She could be sick or having  
issues your not aware of yet.  Usually the alpha cats will harrass  
the weak or sick.  Out in the wild these animals would be killed by  
the alpha.  Just something to think about.


Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving  
your FeLV+ cat?


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM
Subject: We are having issues

Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because  
I'm at my wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I  
don't know what to do.  Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very  
standoffish personality, not a friendly type cat, doesn't want to  
be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and  
Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a  
stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and  
isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. : 
(  They never really liked each other, but the last few months it  
has gotten progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is  
afraid to come out of the bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under  
the bed.  And I know it was just because she was afraid of  
Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally had  
to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water.


What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on  
their mood, but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass  
in the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There  
doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is  
one of them seeing the other and they're off.  I'm really worried  
Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her.  Right  
now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few  
hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we  
leave of the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in  
the bedroom.  Any of you guys had any success with behavior  
modification?  I welcome any thoughts/ideas on what has worked for  
you guys

Re: We are having issues

2007-11-09 Thread Unusually Unique
I'm new here but I think I might be able to help.  I was having a similiar 
issue with my kids.  Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ 
started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats.  Yota, 8 
yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw.  
I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I 
had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic 
leukemia).  I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a 
very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior.  She 
suggested using a flower essense called Vine Essence.  According to the book 
we were looking at it helps with domination issues.  It helps cats who feel 
the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats.  She suggested putting it in 
their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs 
from you.  She also told me that it
 would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water.  The essenses only 
affect the one with issues.  I also found an article that might help you if 
this is something your considering : 
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 .  All I 
know is that I used it and it worked.  Now when Waco starts playing I AM ALPHA 
CAT  I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid 
vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch!  And I hate to 
say this but you might have Penelope checked out.  She could be sick or having 
issues your not aware of yet.  Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or 
sick.  Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha.  Just 
something to think about.

Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ 
cat?


- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM
Subject: We are having issues


Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my 
wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. 
 Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a 
friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE 
wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very 
friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being 
petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. :(  
They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten 
progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the 
bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under the bed.  And I know it was just because 
she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally 
had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water.  
 
What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, 
but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass in the hall without 
fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There doesn't seem to be any 
precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and 
they're off.  I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and 
infecting her.  Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for 
a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of 
the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom.  Any of 
you guys had any success with behavior modification?  I welcome any 
thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past.  Poppy, the third 
one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part.  I've 
seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. 
:(  Penny and Poppy do well together most of
 the time (they both sleep in my bed at night).  Any ideas?






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Re: We are having issues

2007-11-09 Thread laurieskatz
THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end.
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Unusually Unique 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM
  Subject: Re: We are having issues


  I'm new here but I think I might be able to help.  I was having a similiar 
issue with my kids.  Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ 
started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats.  Yota, 8 
yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw.  
I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I 
had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic 
leukemia).  I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a 
very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior.  She 
suggested using a flower essense called Vine Essence.  According to the book 
we were looking at it helps with domination issues.  It helps cats who feel 
the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats.  She suggested putting it in 
their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs 
from you.  She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it 
in their water.  The essenses only affect the one with issues.  I also found 
an article that might help you if this is something your considering : 
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 .  All I 
know is that I used it and it worked.  Now when Waco starts playing I AM ALPHA 
CAT  I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid 
vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch!  And I hate to 
say this but you might have Penelope checked out.  She could be sick or having 
issues your not aware of yet.  Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or 
sick.  Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha.  Just 
something to think about.

  Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your 
FeLV+ cat?


  - Original Message 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM
  Subject: We are having issues


  Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my 
wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. 
 Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a 
friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE 
wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very 
friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being 
petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. :(  
They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten 
progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the 
bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under the bed.  And I know it was just because 
she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally 
had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water.  

  What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their 
mood, but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass in the hall without 
fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There doesn't seem to be any 
precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and 
they're off.  I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and 
infecting her.  Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for 
a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of 
the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom.  Any of 
you guys had any success with behavior modification?  I welcome any 
thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past.  Poppy, the third 
one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part.  I've 
seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. 
:(  Penny and Poppy do well together most of the time (they both sleep in my 
bed at night).  Any ideas?





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RE: We are having issues

2007-11-09 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

This sounds similar to the Rescue Remedy discussions we have had on this list 
before (see the archives).  I use RR on my cats sometimes and on myself- a lot. 
 But some people say it doesn't work for their cats.  If RR hasn't worked for 
your cat(s) tho, what Unusually Unique is suggesting is along the same lines.  
RR is a combination of certain flower essences, whereas this is suggesting the 
use of one, targeted essence.  This is the kind of thing a Holistic Vet would 
do for you- evaluate the situation and the cats and recommend a treatment, 
which would most likely involve an essence like this, among other things.  I 
say try it.  Along those lines, if you have a holistic vet at your disposal, 
you may want to try that route.  I find mine was the best at evaluating/taking 
into consideration the behavioral traits and personality of the cat.  They will 
also do an exam to make sure that it's not being caused by anything physical, 
such as is suggested in this email.  You may want to consult with one if that 
is available to you.  My holistic vet was the only one out of the whole troupe 
that treated Monkee that ever looked at Monkee and instantly took in his 
personality and life force.  When I first went to her, I thought she might be 
a snake oil saleswoman, but her instant understanding of the cat I'd had for 4 
years, upon just meeting him, amazed me and won me over.  Although I still lost 
Monkee shortly after that, I will never NOT sing the praises of this vet.  If 
you have no success trying an essence on your own, you may want to look at 
holistic vets.   
-Caroline  


Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:01:54 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: We are having 
issuesTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org




I'm new here but I think I might be able to help.  I was having a similar issue 
with my kids.  Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ started 
getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats.  Yota, 8 yr old 
siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw.  I've been 
doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets 
tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic leukemia).  I was 
at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a very nice sales 
lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior.  She suggested using 
a flower essense called Vine Essence.  According to the book we were looking 
at it helps with domination issues.  It helps cats who feel the need to pick 
on weaker, sick or smaller cats.  She suggested putting it in their water or 
diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs from you.  She 
also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it in their 
water.  The essenses only affect the one with issues.  I also found an 
article that might help you if this is something your considering : 
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 .  All I 
know is that I used it and it worked.  Now when Waco starts playing I AM ALPHA 
CAT  I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid 
vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch!  And I hate to 
say this but you might have Penelope checked out.  She could be sick or having 
issues your not aware of yet.  Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or 
sick.  Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha.  Just 
something to think about.
 
Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ 
cat?
- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PMSubject: We are having 
issues
Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my 
wit's end.  Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. 
 Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a 
friendly type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE 
wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very 
friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being 
petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. :(  
They never really liked each other, but the last few months it has gotten 
progressively worse.  To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the 
bedroom.  She was pooping/peeing under the bed.  And I know it was just because 
she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom.  We finally 
had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water.  
 
What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, 
but one always jumps the other.  They can't even pass in the hall without 
fighting, and I don't know what to do.  There doesn't seem to be any 
precursor/cuase.  All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and 
they're off.  I'm really worried Bella is going to 

Re: We are having issues

2007-11-09 Thread Unusually Unique
Your welcome, but you know all the lady at the natural/herb store said was add 
a few drops to their water or get a small dropper bottle (the kind cat 
medicines usually come in) add a few drops to that and fill the rest with 
spring water.  The whole holistic approach is based on no-contaminates in food 
or water.  Personally I didn't have any bottled water on hand so I used (yuk!) 
tap water.  Then just take that and rub some on the ears.  Or take the dropper 
and dribble some in the mouth.  

I've been making adjustments since then and I have been giving both Waco and 
Yota a specialized vitamin formula I make myself and just added the drops to 
that along with a few drops of crab apple essense for cleansing.  I like to put 
it all together so that I can miminize the number of times I have to stick a 
dropper in their mouth.  But with them being sick I'm paranoid that they won't 
get enough of the immune system building vitamins or the cell rebuilding 
vitamins if I put it in the food for all the cats.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 12:20:53 PM
Subject: Re: We are having issues

Thanks for the response, Unusually_Unique!  I'll certainly try it.  What is the 
recommended dosage if you add it to their water?  I'm sure you can't really 
overdose persay, but with the FeLV, I like to be as cautious and careful as 
possible.

I have two FeLV positives, and two negatives.  One of the negatives is mixed 
with the two positives as they have been together long before I knew of Poppy 
and Bella's diagnosis.  The fourth is a rescue I recently took in and have him 
in my sunroom (where he seems to be perfectly content).  As for treatments, 
right now my primary focus is high quality dry foods (Innova EVO) supplemented 
with L-Lysine (500mg daily) and Missing Link Veterinary Formula.  The 
supplements are mixed in Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys wet food morning and night.

I looked at and considered the antiretrovirals (ImmunoRegulin, Inferferon 
Alpha), and after consideration (and the advice of four different vets, 
including two from the UT College of Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital) 
decided to hold off on treating with them with the drugs until the girls are 
symptomatic.  I have no idea how long they've been positive, but they've never 
had any symptoms at all.  We just happend to find the FeLV during their routine 
checkups.




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From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: We are having issues


THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end.
Laurie
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From: Unusually Unique 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: We are having issues


I'm new here but I think I might be able to help.  I was having a similiar 
issue with my kids.  Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ 
started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats.  Yota, 8 
yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw.  
I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I 
had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic 
leukemia).  I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a 
very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior.  She 
suggested using a flower essense called Vine Essence.  According to the book 
we were looking at it helps with domination issues.  It helps cats who feel 
the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats.  She suggested putting it in 
their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs 
from you.  She also told me that it
 would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water.  The essenses only 
affect the one with issues.  I also found an article that might help you if 
this is something your considering : 
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 .  All I 
know is that I used it and it worked.  Now when Waco starts playing I AM ALPHA 
CAT  I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid 
vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch!  And I hate to 
say this but you might have Penelope checked out.  She could be sick or having 
issues your not aware of yet.  Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or 
sick.  Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha.  Just 
something to think about.
 
Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ 
cat?


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Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM
Subject: We are having issues


Ok, guys.  I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my 
wit's end.  Two of my girls