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Everyone here does the best they can with what they have available to them. When I joined this list 10, 11 years ago and told others I mixed my positive and negatives, I know some thought I was irresponsible and sentencing my others to a probable death because they would become infected by Bailey. No one directly said it but it was implied on occasion, you know what I don't care what anyone else thought, all except one of my guys back then were rescues and most likely, in fact very likely wouldn't have been alive if I hadn't took them in. God or whatever you do or don't believe in brought Bailey to me knowing what my circumstances were so I left it to the higher power I believed in to take care of all my guys and keep everyone healthy if that was what was to be. In 11 years of mixing nobody ever got it from Bailey and Bailey himself was healthy until the last 6 months of his 11 years, so I was very lucky. I before I knew what declawing involved considered it for my guys, once I was told what it entailed I choose not to do it, but I do have a declawed cat, Shelbee was declawed when I got her. She is 13 and doing fine, she was very standoffish for the first 4 or 5 years, she is now very lovey, the first time I met her and reached out to pet her she tried to bite me, she still doesn't really like to be picked up but I can pick her up and she comes to me seeking attention now. I used to think cats should be able to go outside and run loose, well after losing two cats mysteriously and not knowing what happened to them I decided they were all going to be indoor from then on. I personally now believe no animal that is someones pet should be allowed to run loose not only for their safety but why should my neighbors have to put up with stinky cat pee all over their property? I don't have the right to mess up their yards and ruin their enjoyment of their property. That's part of the problem we have in today's society, nobody respects anyone else's space, property, there's no consideration of each other. I don't have any kids and I didn't want to have any kids, when I go out to eat with hubby and someones kid is running all over the restaurant screaming or in the booth behind me jumping up and down, it is very inconsiderate when the parents do nothing to control their child, and believe me many times they don't because they think it's OK for their child to do anything they want. Why do people with kids think it's OK for their child to act like that and expect everyone to just have to put up with it, when did it become OK to be so inconsiderate?? In this world we have gotten very disrespectful and inconsiderate of each other and it is only getting worse, I'm old enough to know that kids weren't shooting each other in school 35 years ago, people didn't get out of their cars and shoot each other when someone cut them off, in fact it was rare to get cut off because people were considerate and respectful of each other. I don't personally know either of you Susan or Glenda but I do work with many different rescues and I know all about the back stabbing and in fighting that *can and does go on* and about the hoarders that think it's better to get them out of the shelters at any cost and throw them into unbearable conditions and the only ones that suffer are the animals they all profess to be trying to save. And there are those who like nothing better than to cause problems under the guise of trying to help animals, attacking a rescue you know nothing about because they don't do things the way you think they should be done is petty. Making suggestions anytime is OK but remember that doesn't mean someone has to follow them. Nobody is perfect or knows everything, nobody I've met on earth anyway ... All of us on this list will do just about anything, within our means, to keep our furkids healthy and happy, that is different for all of us, for me personally it means getting very aggressive and invasive if I have to if I think it will save my furkids, for others it means making them comfortable while they live out whatever time they have left. It is very hard for me to deal with it when someone is doing that because I would choose a different path but I'm learning it isn't my choice to make and as much as it may upset me I have to let it go. It's a really hard lesson for me but I'm getting there, everyone has different beliefs and circumstances and as long as the choices we make are out of love nobody has the right to say our choices are wrong. If you want to disagree with me please feel free, but you don't have to get nasty about it on a public forum, you have your opinion and beliefs, they have theirs and unless you are running things there that's as far as it should go. I'm sure you wouldn't let anyone tell you how to run your organization, someone may make suggestions but it is your groups decision for your group to listen to
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Hey Sherry, I think that she does say no (a lot) and that's a good thing...I know when I was trying to find a place for a FELV+ kitty from TX MaryChristine told me that Dr. Jen only takes FELV+ cats in from her own state and that there is a waiting list of 35 or 40 cats. On 9/24/07, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are not hoarders and I guess I made it sound like it when I said she can't say no. She does have to say enough is enough from time to time.Like right now,we can't take in anymore until we have more adoptions.Periodically we have to.We have a list to get cats into our program and it is a LONG one.So we are not hoarders at all.Just the space we have for the felv and fiv is what it is.We do not declaw the felv fiv cats.Wish we didn't the others,but that is not my decision.So I don't want anybody to be horrified at the wonderful shelters that I am proud to volunteer at.We are far from being hoarders,sorry if I made it sound like that.We have well over 100 volunteers to help out and we do a damn good job. If anyone of you visited anyone of our shelters you would see how HAPPY the beautiful creatures are.I am done defending!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phrase comes to mind, The road to hell is paved with good intentions. :( I have no doubt whoever is running this shelter has the best of intentions. One of my girls, the one I think was the first positive, came from just such a shelter (Angel Wings in Kingston, TN). I know this lady had only the best of intentions in her heart, and I know she loved the kitties she tried to provide care for. But I also know she didn't know how to say No. And a lot of innocent kitties suffered as a result. It was a heartbreaking situation altogether :( Look, I have to know every day when to say No. My heart aches for some poor kitties I see at local shelters and adoption agencies, but I know I am not capable of caring for more than the three I have, and I know that to bring healthy, negative cats into a situation where they're at high risk of contracting FeLV is irresponsible. I've replaced my sofa twice now due to kitty claws (FINALLY got them all trained. It IS possible.) but I'd never dream of declawing, and I think most people are horrified here at the thought of a shelter using declawing as a standard policy. Its unimaginable. Even the lady I mentioned above gave me a very long lecture about declawing and made me sign contracts that I wouldn't do it. Siamese Rescue done the same thing when I adopted my other two. I think everyone here is horrified that, as you pointed out, she can't say no. We all must recognize our limits. I am not saying you, or the woman who runs this shelter, are bad people, but even the best of intentions can be devastating (as I know personally.) Hoarders love the cats they have, they just don't know when to say no. Same goes for this situation, I think. Our hearts just ache that as horrible as FIV and FeLV is, we have to live with the knowledge that this shelter is mixing them, and mutilating their little paws in the process. Its just painful. Its not personal attacks on you, or to say that you don't have the best of intentions in your heart. Reminds me of a story I heard on NPR on my way home, talking about zero gravity effects on bacteria. They were talking about infecting mice with salmonella to see how long it would take them to die. It was just painful to listen to. :( Michael See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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you haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, AS USUAL. you're down in texas, and sherry and i are up here in michigan. i lived for two years at an FIV/FeLV sanctuary about an hour and a half from crash's landing, and neither place has ANYTHING in common with the HOARDER situations you are quoting. for anyone, on a LIST, to make such assumptions is absurd. where were you, susan, when it came time to rehome the felvs and fivs from angel wings? i know the people who did it. if you read the crash's pages, you'll know where the name came from, and if you ask reputable rescues AND ANIMAL CONTROL AGENCIES IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, you'll know that doc jen and crash's has a great reputation, in a field where people love to trash one another. just like you are doing right now--telling sherry that she's clearly too stupid to realize she shouldn't be working there. this is why GOOD people leave rescue, because of all the crap from people who just want to make trouble. MC On 9/24/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the words FLOCK, AngelWings, Wild Cat Ranch or ARC (in Dallas) ring ANY bells w/anyone? You cannot run a shelter and mix diseases. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2007 7:21 PM *Subject:* Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.! Well Susan that is just RUDE of you!!! So you think just because everyone does NOT agree with you that it is the wrong way!! The HELLHOLE here is your closed mind!! Now I see why some very good people have left this felv talk.It is because of rudeness like yours!!! *Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: This sheltermixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to separate..! Read below. What kind of hellhole is this? It's called crash landing PLease do not forward.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM *Subject:* Re: Here is the link Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease.. That is just bad news. And no, you cannot save them all. And if you try, well, that's another can of worms. I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you. However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all. Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first place. From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due to an imperfect world. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM *Subject:* Re: Here is the link Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the best we can. *Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: WHAT? This shelter does
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I guess the fact that I helped people intake and house (myself too) cats from ARC, FLOCK Wild Cat Ranch counts for nothing in this conversation. And yes, my group took cats from AngelWings also. Not many, but what we could @ the time. And no one said that Sherry was stupid for wanting to help the cats, I personally said that the vet in charge must be uninformed (at best). Sounds like the same vet worship that I was accused of when I first signed onto this list. hey, at least MY vet doesn't mix two extremely different contagious potentially deadly diseases nor does he declaw cats. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.! you haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, AS USUAL. you're down in texas, and sherry and i are up here in michigan. i lived for two years at an FIV/FeLV sanctuary about an hour and a half from crash's landing, and neither place has ANYTHING in common with the HOARDER situations you are quoting. for anyone, on a LIST, to make such assumptions is absurd. where were you, susan, when it came time to rehome the felvs and fivs from angel wings? i know the people who did it. if you read the crash's pages, you'll know where the name came from, and if you ask reputable rescues AND ANIMAL CONTROL AGENCIES IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, you'll know that doc jen and crash's has a great reputation, in a field where people love to trash one another. just like you are doing right now--telling sherry that she's clearly too stupid to realize she shouldn't be working there. this is why GOOD people leave rescue, because of all the crap from people who just want to make trouble. MC On 9/24/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the words FLOCK, AngelWings, Wild Cat Ranch or ARC (in Dallas) ring ANY bells w/anyone? You cannot run a shelter and mix diseases. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
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Maybe it could be said in a nicer way... but it needs to be said. If you go to another list who will clarify these things? t MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you haven't a CLUE what you're talking about, AS USUAL. you're down in texas, and sherry and i are up here in michigan. i lived for two years at an FIV/FeLV sanctuary about an hour and a half from crash's landing, and neither place has ANYTHING in common with the HOARDER situations you are quoting. for anyone, on a LIST, to make such assumptions is absurd. where were you, susan, when it came time to rehome the felvs and fivs from angel wings? i know the people who did it. if you read the crash's pages, you'll know where the name came from, and if you ask reputable rescues AND ANIMAL CONTROL AGENCIES IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, you'll know that doc jen and crash's has a great reputation, in a field where people love to trash one another. just like you are doing right now--telling sherry that she's clearly too stupid to realize she shouldn't be working there. this is why GOOD people leave rescue, because of all the crap from people who just want to make trouble. MC On 9/24/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the words FLOCK, AngelWings, Wild Cat Ranch or ARC (in Dallas) ring ANY bells w/anyone? You cannot run a shelter and mix diseases. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.! Well Susan that is just RUDE of you!!! So you think just because everyone does NOT agree with you that it is the wrong way!! The HELLHOLE here is your closed mind!! Now I see why some very good people have left this felv talk.It is because of rudeness like yours!!! Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sheltermixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to separate..! Read below. What kind of hellhole is this? It's called crash landing PLease do not forward.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease.. That is just bad news. And no, you cannot save them all. And if you try, well, that's another can of worms. I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you. However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all. Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first place. From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due to an imperfect world. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We
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Well Susan that is just RUDE of you!!! So you think just because everyone does NOT agree with you that it is the wrong way!! The HELLHOLE here is your closed mind!! Now I see why some very good people have left this felv talk.It is because of rudeness like yours!!! Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sheltermixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to separate..! Read below. What kind of hellhole is this? It's called crash landing PLease do not forward.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease.. That is just bad news. And no, you cannot save them all. And if you try, well, that's another can of worms. I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you. However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all. Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first place. From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due to an imperfect world. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the best we can. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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WHATEVER!!! I am sorry that this has come to what it is.do you think everything you do is perfect!!?? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, THAT rant was intended for one person on this list. However, let me just tell you this, if a REPUTABLE, ETHICAL vet in the area finds out what this woman is doing, they will most likely have AC on her. When you start running out of room to separate your diseases, you stop intake. period. You do not begin to mix them. That is basic shelter 101. And no, it never feels good to know that you cannot help them all. However, she could take some of that money that she is using to declaw cats and build another room, hence, separating her diseases. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:36 PM Subject: arrrggghhh.! Part II.! This sheltermixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to separate..! Read below. What kind of hellhole is this? It's called crash landing PLease do not forward.. - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
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The phrase comes to mind, The road to hell is paved with good intentions. :( I have no doubt whoever is running this shelter has the best of intentions. One of my girls, the one I think was the first positive, came from just such a shelter (Angel Wings in Kingston, TN). I know this lady had only the best of intentions in her heart, and I know she loved the kitties she tried to provide care for. But I also know she didn't know how to say No. And a lot of innocent kitties suffered as a result. It was a heartbreaking situation altogether :( Look, I have to know every day when to say No. My heart aches for some poor kitties I see at local shelters and adoption agencies, but I know I am not capable of caring for more than the three I have, and I know that to bring healthy, negative cats into a situation where they're at high risk of contracting FeLV is irresponsible. I've replaced my sofa twice now due to kitty claws (FINALLY got them all trained. It IS possible.) but I'd never dream of declawing, and I think most people are horrified here at the thought of a shelter using declawing as a standard policy. Its unimaginable. Even the lady I mentioned above gave me a very long lecture about declawing and made me sign contracts that I wouldn't do it. Siamese Rescue done the same thing when I adopted my other two. I think everyone here is horrified that, as you pointed out, she can't say no. We all must recognize our limits. I am not saying you, or the woman who runs this shelter, are bad people, but even the best of intentions can be devastating (as I know personally.) Hoarders love the cats they have, they just don't know when to say no. Same goes for this situation, I think. Our hearts just ache that as horrible as FIV and FeLV is, we have to live with the knowledge that this shelter is mixing them, and mutilating their little paws in the process. Its just painful. Its not personal attacks on you, or to say that you don't have the best of intentions in your heart. Reminds me of a story I heard on NPR on my way home, talking about zero gravity effects on bacteria. They were talking about infecting mice with salmonella to see how long it would take them to die. It was just painful to listen to. :( Michael ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Do the words FLOCK, AngelWings, Wild Cat Ranch or ARC (in Dallas) ring ANY bells w/anyone? You cannot run a shelter and mix diseases. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.! Well Susan that is just RUDE of you!!! So you think just because everyone does NOT agree with you that it is the wrong way!! The HELLHOLE here is your closed mind!! Now I see why some very good people have left this felv talk.It is because of rudeness like yours!!! Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sheltermixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to separate..! Read below. What kind of hellhole is this? It's called crash landing PLease do not forward.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease.. That is just bad news. And no, you cannot save them all. And if you try, well, that's another can of worms. I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you. However, I have had to play cleanup on too many well intented sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all. Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first place. From rescue people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due to an imperfect world. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Here is the link Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at all.You can only do so much with what you can. So I guess now you think this is a horrible place?? This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !! Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different. If you knew everything the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the best we can. Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT? This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.? What kind of place is this? Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv? And vice versa? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent -- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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no, I don't think that everything that I do is perfect, (I am FAR from perfect) but this is basic common sense. Leave this list due to rudeness? I would bet that if you posted how this shelter operates on any other list, you would get worse then me. Why don't you just work to help change it? Yes, I know, easier said than done. But everything is small steps. That is what I have had to do for years. And it does hurt. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.! WHATEVER!!! I am sorry that this has come to what it is.do you think everything you do is perfect!!?? Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, THAT rant was intended for one person on this list. However, let me just tell you this, if a REPUTABLE, ETHICAL vet in the area finds out what this woman is doing, they will most likely have AC on her. When you start running out of room to separate your diseases, you stop intake. period. You do not begin to mix them. That is basic shelter 101. And no, it never feels good to know that you cannot help them all. However, she could take some of that money that she is using to declaw cats and build another room, hence, separating her diseases. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
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We are not hoarders and I guess I made it sound like it when I said she can't say no. She does have to say enough is enough from time to time.Like right now,we can't take in anymore until we have more adoptions.Periodically we have to.We have a list to get cats into our program and it is a LONG one.So we are not hoarders at all.Just the space we have for the felv and fiv is what it is.We do not declaw the felv fiv cats.Wish we didn't the others,but that is not my decision.So I don't want anybody to be horrified at the wonderful shelters that I am proud to volunteer at.We are far from being hoarders,sorry if I made it sound like that.We have well over 100 volunteers to help out and we do a damn good job. If anyone of you visited anyone of our shelters you would see how HAPPY the beautiful creatures are.I am done defending!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The phrase comes to mind, The road to hell is paved with good intentions. :( I have no doubt whoever is running this shelter has the best of intentions. One of my girls, the one I think was the first positive, came from just such a shelter (Angel Wings in Kingston, TN). I know this lady had only the best of intentions in her heart, and I know she loved the kitties she tried to provide care for. But I also know she didn't know how to say No. And a lot of innocent kitties suffered as a result. It was a heartbreaking situation altogether :( Look, I have to know every day when to say No. My heart aches for some poor kitties I see at local shelters and adoption agencies, but I know I am not capable of caring for more than the three I have, and I know that to bring healthy, negative cats into a situation where they're at high risk of contracting FeLV is irresponsible. I've replaced my sofa twice now due to kitty claws (FINALLY got them all trained. It IS possible.) but I'd never dream of declawing, and I think most people are horrified here at the thought of a shelter using declawing as a standard policy. Its unimaginable. Even the lady I mentioned above gave me a very long lecture about declawing and made me sign contracts that I wouldn't do it. Siamese Rescue done the same thing when I adopted my other two. I think everyone here is horrified that, as you pointed out, she can't say no. We all must recognize our limits. I am not saying you, or the woman who runs this shelter, are bad people, but even the best of intentions can be devastating (as I know personally.) Hoarders love the cats they have, they just don't know when to say no. Same goes for this situation, I think. Our hearts just ache that as horrible as FIV and FeLV is, we have to live with the knowledge that this shelter is mixing them, and mutilating their little paws in the process. Its just painful. Its not personal attacks on you, or to say that you don't have the best of intentions in your heart. Reminds me of a story I heard on NPR on my way home, talking about zero gravity effects on bacteria. They were talking about infecting mice with salmonella to see how long it would take them to die. It was just painful to listen to. :( Michael - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
