Re: coughing, sneezing allergies

2008-03-10 Thread catatonya
his lungs are clear. doesn't that rule out asthma??

laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  yes. or asthma (which can be 
manifestation of allergies).
- Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
  

  I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy 
related.  The vet seems to think it's herpes virus...
  I have started adding lysine to his food.
  t

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.
   
  A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now 
eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was 
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur 
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he 
is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was 
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the 
catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.
   
  A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.
   
  Sally
   
  

 
  On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are 
clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they 
did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. 
He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could 
be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love 
to hear them.
  tonya 
  

Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Laurie,
This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

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Re: coughing

2008-03-02 Thread catatonya
Thank you for this info. from me, too, Sally.  I've got 2 sick cats and a sick 
dog, and have been sick myself, so I am way behind.
  tonya

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Lynne
   
  It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : 

  Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes 
acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus 
infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. 
  The following website gives more information 
  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/
   
  They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus
   
  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml

   
  Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection 
he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does 
not get these.
   
  How is BooBoo doing?
   
  Sally
   
  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, 
the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.  I just 
noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, 
nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that 
gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his Doxycycline 
because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't bother to 
culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here.  
Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so 
determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being 
conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same 
thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem 
to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at 
work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much
 paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him.  This doc is so funny. 
 He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with 
his vet.  
   
  I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our 
BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main ingredient is 
chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he 
turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal though 
because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you 
put in front of him, except this, fortunately.
   
  Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing
  

  This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.
   


A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now 
eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was 
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur 
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he 
is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was 
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the 
catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.
   
  A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.
   
  Sally
   
  

 
  On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are 
clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they 
did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. 
He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could 
be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love 
to hear them.
  tonya 
  

Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Laurie,
This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

-- 

Belinda
happiness is being

Re: coughing, sneezing allergies

2008-03-02 Thread laurieskatz
yes. or asthma (which can be manifestation of allergies).
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: coughing, sneezing allergies


  I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy 
related.  The vet seems to think it's herpes virus...
  I have started adding lysine to his food.
  t

  Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.

A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now 
eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was 
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur 
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he 
is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was 
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the 
catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.

A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.

Sally



 
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are 
clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they 
did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. 
He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could 
be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love 
to hear them.
  tonya 


  Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Laurie,
This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it 
to 
my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

-- 

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Re: coughing, sneezing allergies

2008-03-02 Thread catatonya
I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy 
related.  The vet seems to think it's herpes virus...
  I have started adding lysine to his food.
  t

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.
   
  A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now 
eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was 
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur 
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he 
is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was 
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the 
catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.
   
  A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.
   
  Sally
   
  

 
  On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are 
clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they 
did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. 
He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could 
be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love 
to hear them.
  tonya 
  

Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Laurie,
This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

-- 

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RE: coughing

2008-02-25 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Lynne, I am SO glad you're looking for another vet. You and BooBoo need
a vet who's supportive in every way--who has a positive outlook AND
proactive. Good luck. Keep us posted when you have time. 
hugs, Kerry
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: coughing


We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left
BooBoo alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and lay down
with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring.  I
told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've
determined not to bug him so much.  He did pee and poo while we were
gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  He is breathing better now. Still
have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today.  There
were two emergencies apparently.  Big friggin deal.  If a vets office
can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up.  I am
searching for another vet.  I have a lead on a good one.  This guy told
Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of
it.  Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after
I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my
suggestions.  He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here
and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart.  We will persevere
because neither Boo or we want him dead yet.  I actually have some
catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather.  I'll give it
a shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it
is supposed to be calming for people.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes
before you pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having
trouble with the status quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have to
gain and what you have to lose. 
It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various
critters and various physical problems.  I would never give up the total
pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin
spite of the frustration and pain and all the other
emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much.  Here is
where I get too emotional.  

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Re: coughing

2008-02-24 Thread Lynne
I saw that instrument on a search for giving cats pills Dorothy.  I agree about 
the liquid stuff.  It can't help but stick in their throats and drive them nuts 
if they hate it.  I wish they made every medication in a trans dermal form.  My 
old guy enjoys having his thyroid medication massaged into his ear.  
That's a hoot about Armond spitting in your face.  I've only been sneezed in 
the face.  I'd be dead by now if this disease were transmittable to humans.  
He's sneezed in my face on a few occasions.  My fault though.  I probably 
shouldn't be kissing his little nose as much as I do.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Noble 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Sorry, just kind of joined the discussion on pills...I have always used a 
pill gun - I got mine from the vet. (It cost me $5.00 and has truly been a 
lifesaver.)  Sorry if I am duplicating other's suggestions...
   My cats would NEVER eat anything with a pill in it.  The pill gun is like a 
syringe-type thing and you just put it to the back of the throat - and your 
fingers are safe.  If you are worried about them taking the pill dry, you can 
then follow with a syri nge of water or broth.  It was the only way I could 
ever get Aggie to take a pill (my diabetic cat who died of cancer 2 months 
ago).  It is so much easier than trying to get them to take something nasty 
from a dropper - like Clinidrops (Clindrops?)  That is so bitter and the only 
reason I tasted it was because Armond actually spit it in my face.  I wouldn't 
take it either without a fight!

  Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't realize he was a flat-faced cat.  New thought.  There are little 
bowls chefs use for various ingredients before they mix and cook.  I am 
struggling to find a name.  They are shallow but the sides slope gently.  They 
are really neat for cats and might help keep the food from spreading.  It 
doesn't sound gross either.  I'll work on the name but they aren't that 
difficult to find and, like I said, keep the food from spreading.  Consider 
raising the bowl.  Dixie has a little table that raises her bowl maybe 4 
inches.  She really doesn't need it but I started raising bowls when Kitty 
started having reflux problems due to pancreas cancer.  It really helped her so 
all my inside critters have raised food bowls.  Kitty could hide pills.  I 
could put them so far back in her throat, watch her swallow several times, then 
find the pill on the floor in a few minutes.  They are amazing.  And totally 
worth all we do in their behalf. 

On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Lynne wrote:


  Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us, more 
often both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as it sounds, push 
his food by finger into the centre.  With his little flat face it's hard for 
him to to eat anything that is spread out.  That's when he starts his snorting. 
 We watch that piece of food with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go 
on to the next piece.  I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him. 
 I did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken flavored.  
It isn't bad but he hates it.  I'd rather do the pill.  I have never had a 
problem with our other cat.  He' s always been a big boy so I would just sit 
him on my lap and do the job.  He doesn't fight like Boo does.  We're trying to 
keep his life as stress free as possible. 

  Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: coughing


Good job.  Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days 
and weeks after she left this world.  Cats are very sneaky.  I suspect that 
hiding the pill or coating it will make it better.  I've tasted various meds 
for mine what were supposed to be neutral.  They were awful.  Frankly, I can't 
remember wha Lasix tastes like.  It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may 
be your answer.  

On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote:


  I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy.  We managed to get 
several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it.  We had him 
out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in.  I couldn't 
handle the cold any longer.  He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each 
other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I 
put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him.  Then he did his rip away 
at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again.  He loves life I think and 
has no intention of leaving.  I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by 
putting it in a piece of salmon.  Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. 
  Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk

Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Lynne
Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that.  My husband keeps telling me that 
this is what cats do as well.  I probably drive the little guy nuts by checking 
him out every half hour.  He's different in all ways from our Lennie and our 
former Chuck.  They were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and 
petting.  Not this guy.  If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away from 
you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty glances.  
He's very much aloof.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time.   We are 
supposed to sleep over 30%.  He may just be doing what cats do.  Please don't 
read too much into things.  It will rob you of the pleasure of his company.  I 
learned the hard way.

  On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote:


Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds 
more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and 
occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem.  I've 
told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it.

Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much normal now 
and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being all sweet and purring 
tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him.  We get our exercise by 
running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is.  He's 
very tired though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a lot from him 
but he seems pretty content.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sally Davis
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Hi Lynne

  It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : 

  Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes 
acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus 
infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide.

  The following website gives more information
  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

  They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml


  Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye 
infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. 
Junior does not get these.

  How is BooBoo doing?

  Sally

  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring 
to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.  I 
just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his 
eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other 
animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his 
Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't 
bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with 
here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so 
determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being 
conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same 
thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem 
to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at 
work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care 
as is reasonable before euthanizing him.  This doc is so funny.  He took time 
off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. 

I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only 
thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main ingredient 
is chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he 
turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal though 
because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you 
put in front of him, except this, fortunately.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sally Davis
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.

  A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He 
is now

Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Marylyn
Perhaps he has to remind you that petting HIM is an honor and  
privilege to be earnedand not by waking him up all the tmie.   
How would you like it if someone insisted on waking you up in the  
middle of a dream where you were hunting mice?


On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Lynne wrote:

Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that.  My husband keeps  
telling me that this is what cats do as well.  I probably drive the  
little guy nuts by checking him out every half hour.  He's different  
in all ways from our Lennie and our former Chuck.  They were very  
dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and petting.  Not this  
guy.  If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away from you,,  
collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty  
glances.  He's very much aloof.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time.
We are supposed to sleep over 30%.  He may just be doing what cats  
do.  Please don't read too much into things.  It will rob you of the  
pleasure of his company.  I learned the hard way.

On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation  
sounds more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts  
when he eats and occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a  
nuisance than a problem.  I've told the vet about it but he kind of  
dismissed it.


Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much  
normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being  
all sweet and purring tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really  
spoiling him.  We get our exercise by running upstairs every half  
hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is.  He's very tired  
though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a lot from him  
but he seems pretty content.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Hi Lynne

It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is :
Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1)  
causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or  
feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild  
cats worldwide.


The following website gives more information
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline  
calicivirus


http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml

Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye  
infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes  
mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these.


How is BooBoo doing?

Sally

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you  
referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that  
causes cold sores.  I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have  
a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be  
alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of  
gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his Doxycycline  
because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't  
bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are  
dealing with here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a  
personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die,  
TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough.   
Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you  
understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem  
to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our  
building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer  
as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him.   
This doc is so funny.  He took time off work to go and assist in  
the spaying of his dog along with his vet.


I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only  
thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The  
main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him  
regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it.  It's 2  
bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal though because a little  
seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you put  
in front of him, except this, fortunately.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off  
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He  
is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He  
also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L  
Lysine for over

Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Lynne
Absolutely Marilynn.  I know I shouldn't be looking for abnormalities but 
damn it his breathing seems to be labored again today.  He was purring 
excessively loud and started to breath through his mouth.  I managed to get his 
Lasix down him which causes hysteria in him but after that he ate all his food 
and is cleaning himself now, ears perked up and eyes wide open.  He looks 
wonderful today and seems to be in a better mood than normal but I have a 
feeling before the day is over he'll be heading to the vet to have more fluid 
removed from his lungs.  This is so frustrating.  I don't think he's getting a 
high enough doseage of Lasix.  There has to be something else to help him 
overcome this fluid accumulation.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:59 AM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Perhaps he has to remind you that petting HIM is an honor and privilege to be 
earnedand not by waking him up all the tmie.  How would you like it if 
someone insisted on waking you up in the middle of a dream where you were 
hunting mice?


  On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Lynne wrote:


Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that.  My husband keeps telling me 
that this is what cats do as well.  I probably drive the little guy nuts by 
checking him out every half hour.  He's different in all ways from our Lennie 
and our former Chuck.  They were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding 
and petting.  Not this guy.  If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away 
from you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty glances. 
 He's very much aloof.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Marylyn
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time.   We are 
supposed to sleep over 30%.  He may just be doing what cats do.  Please don't 
read too much into things.  It will rob you of the pleasure of his company.  I 
learned the hard way.

  On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote:


Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation 
sounds more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he 
eats and occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a nuisance than a 
problem.  I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it.

Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much normal 
now and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being all sweet and 
purring tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him.  We get our 
exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy 
he is.  He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a 
lot from him but he seems pretty content.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sally Davis
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Hi Lynne

  It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : 

  Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) 
causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline 
herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide.

  The following website gives more information
  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

  They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml


  Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye 
infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. 
Junior does not get these.

  How is BooBoo doing?

  Sally

  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you 
referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold 
sores.  I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge 
from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any 
other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on 
his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet 
didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are 
dealing with here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level 
but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he 
isn't being conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or see him, he 
says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't 
really seem to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our 
building at work asked me about him

Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Marylyn
Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before  
you pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble  
with the status quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain  
and what you have to lose.
It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various  
critters and various physical problems.  I would never give up the  
total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their  
teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the  
other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much.   
Here is where I get too emotional.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:

Absolutely Marilynn.  I know I shouldn't be looking for  
abnormalities but damn it his breathing seems to be labored again  
today.  He was purring excessively loud and started to breath  
through his mouth.  I managed to get his Lasix down him which causes  
hysteria in him but after that he ate all his food and is cleaning  
himself now, ears perked up and eyes wide open.  He looks wonderful  
today and seems to be in a better mood than normal but I have a  
feeling before the day is over he'll be heading to the vet to have  
more fluid removed from his lungs.  This is so frustrating.  I don't  
think he's getting a high enough doseage of Lasix.  There has to be  
something else to help him overcome this fluid accumulation.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: coughing

Perhaps he has to remind you that petting HIM is an honor and  
privilege to be earnedand not by waking him up all the  
tmie.  How would you like it if someone insisted on waking you up in  
the middle of a dream where you were hunting mice?


On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Lynne wrote:

Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that.  My husband keeps  
telling me that this is what cats do as well.  I probably drive the  
little guy nuts by checking him out every half hour.  He's  
different in all ways from our Lennie and our former Chuck.  They  
were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and petting.   
Not this guy.  If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away  
from you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot  
nasty glances.  He's very much aloof.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time.
We are supposed to sleep over 30%.  He may just be doing what cats  
do.  Please don't read too much into things.  It will rob you of  
the pleasure of his company.  I learned the hard way.

On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation  
sounds more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose,  
snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more  
of a nuisance than a problem.  I've told the vet about it but he  
kind of dismissed it.


Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much  
normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was  
being all sweet and purring tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are  
really spoiling him.  We get our exercise by running upstairs  
every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is.  He's  
very tired though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a  
lot from him but he seems pretty content.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Hi Lynne

It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is :
Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1)  
causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or  
feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild  
cats worldwide.


The following website gives more information
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline  
calicivirus


http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml

Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the  
eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes  
mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these.


How is BooBoo doing?

Sally

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you  
referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that  
causes cold sores.  I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have  
a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be  
alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of  
gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his Doxycycline  
because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't  
bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we

Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Lynne
We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo 
alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and 
even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring.  I told Bob what you said 
about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. 
 He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  He is 
breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't 
see us today.  There were two emergencies apparently.  Big friggin deal.  If a 
vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up.  
I am searching for another vet.  I have a lead on a good one.  This guy told 
Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it.  
Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read 
up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions.  He 
obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's 
best interest at heart.  We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him 
dead yet.  I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable 
cold weather.  I'll give it a shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because I have 
a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you 
pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status 
quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose.
  It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various critters and 
various physical problems.  I would never give up the total pleasure of their 
company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration 
and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me 
so much.  Here is where I get too emotional.  

  On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:






Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Marylyn
Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are  
appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them.  I got  
mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and  
her training.  Rescue Remedy is available most places.  However, an  
angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the  
catniptry it and see how he likes it.  I keep 3 pas (goat  
feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie.  They  
are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself.  I can't  
say they look great.then I can't say I care.


There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or  
Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet.


I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill.  It was  
heartbreaking.  Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and  
help him calm down.  How would you like someone 100 times bigger than  
you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down  
your throat?  Especially if that person was giving off all the vibes  
of panic?


You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too.  It is very  
calming.  It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me.


Don't give it up.  Enjoy the time you have.  It doesn't matter how  
long or how short.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote:

We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left  
BooBoo alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and lay  
down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began  
purring.  I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they  
need so we've determined not to bug him so much.  He did pee and poo  
while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  He is breathing  
better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they  
couldn't see us today.  There were two emergencies apparently.  Big  
friggin deal.  If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one  
sick cat in a day, I give up.  I am searching for another vet.  I  
have a lead on a good one.  This guy told Bob he would analyse the  
fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it.  Like I've said,  
everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on  
the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions.  He  
obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't  
have Boo's best interest at heart.  We will persevere because  
neither Boo or we want him dead yet.  I actually have some catnip in  
the garden despite this miserable cold weather.  I'll give it a  
shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and  
it is supposed to be calming for people.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes  
before you pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having  
trouble with the status quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have  
to gain and what you have to lose.
It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various  
critters and various physical problems.  I would never give up the  
total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their  
teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the  
other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much.   
Here is where I get too emotional.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:










Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Lynne
I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy.  We managed to get several 
catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it.  We had him out in the 
patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in.  I couldn't handle the cold 
any longer.  He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their 
nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he 
just stared and stared at him.  Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair 
and is upstairs eating again.  He loves life I think and has no intention of 
leaving.  I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of 
salmon.  Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it.  
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are 
appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them.  I got mine from 
http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training.  Rescue 
Remedy is available most places.  However, an angel apparently sat on your 
shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it.  I 
keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. 
 They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself.  I can't say 
they look great.then I can't say I care.  


  There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or Dr. 
Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet.


  I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill.  It was heartbreaking.  
Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him calm down.  How 
would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you up, forcing open 
your mouth and forcing something down your throat?  Especially if that person 
was giving off all the vibes of panic?  


  You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too.  It is very 
calming.  It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me.  


  Don't give it up.  Enjoy the time you have.  It doesn't matter how long or 
how short.
  On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote:


We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo 
alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and 
even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring.  I told Bob what you said 
about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. 
 He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  He is 
breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't 
see us today.  There were two emergencies apparently.  Big friggin deal.  If a 
vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up.  
I am searching for another vet.  I have a lead on a good one.  This guy told 
Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it.  
Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read 
up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions.  He 
obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's 
best interest at heart.  We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him 
dead yet.  I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable 
cold weather.  I'll give it a shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because I have 
a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Marylyn
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you 
pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status 
quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose.
  It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various critters 
and various physical problems.  I would never give up the total pleasure of 
their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the 
frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me 
and gave me so much.  Here is where I get too emotional.  

  On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:

 








Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Marylyn
Good job.  Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days  
and weeks after she left this world.  Cats are very sneaky.  I suspect  
that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better.  I've tasted  
various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral.  They were  
awful.  Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like.  It sounds  
like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote:

I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy.  We managed to get  
several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it.  We  
had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come  
in.  I couldn't handle the cold any longer.  He and Lennie sat only  
a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a  
sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just  
stared and stared at him.  Then he did his rip away at the bottom  
stair and is upstairs eating again.  He loves life I think and has  
no intention of leaving.  I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by  
putting it in a piece of salmon.  Since he was so hungry he didn't  
notice it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are  
appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them.  I got  
mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and  
her training.  Rescue Remedy is available most places.  However, an  
angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the  
catniptry it and see how he likes it.  I keep 3 pas (goat  
feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie.  They  
are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself.  I can't  
say they look great.then I can't say I care.


There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or  
Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet.


I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill.  It was  
heartbreaking.  Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down  
and help him calm down.  How would you like someone 100 times bigger  
than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing  
something down your throat?  Especially if that person was giving  
off all the vibes of panic?


You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too.  It is  
very calming.  It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me.


Don't give it up.  Enjoy the time you have.  It doesn't matter how  
long or how short.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote:

We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly  
left BooBoo alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and  
lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began  
purring.  I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they  
need so we've determined not to bug him so much.  He did pee and  
poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  He is  
breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because  
they couldn't see us today.  There were two emergencies  
apparently.  Big friggin deal.  If a vets office can't handle two  
emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up.  I am searching  
for another vet.  I have a lead on a good one.  This guy told Bob  
he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid  
of it.  Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has  
been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told  
him my suggestions.  He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing  
battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart.  We will  
persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet.  I actually  
have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold  
weather.  I'll give it a shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because  
I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes  
before you pill him.  Check with a holistic vet if you are having  
trouble with the status quo.  Basically, ask yourself what you have  
to gain and what you have to lose.
It is an awful situation.  Been there.  Done that.  With various  
critters and various physical problems.  I would never give up the  
total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their  
teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the  
other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much.   
Here is where I get too emotional.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:













Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Lynne
Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us, more often 
both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as it sounds, push his 
food by finger into the centre.  With his little flat face it's hard for him to 
to eat anything that is spread out.  That's when he starts his snorting.  We 
watch that piece of food with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go on 
to the next piece.  I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him.  I 
did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken flavored.  It 
isn't bad but he hates it.  I'd rather do the pill.  I have never had a problem 
with our other cat.  He's always been a big boy so I would just sit him on my 
lap and do the job.  He doesn't fight like Boo does.  We're trying to keep his 
life as stress free as possible.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Good job.  Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days and 
weeks after she left this world.  Cats are very sneaky.  I suspect that hiding 
the pill or coating it will make it better.  I've tasted various meds for mine 
what were supposed to be neutral.  They were awful.  Frankly, I can't remember 
wha Lasix tastes like.  It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your 
answer.  

  On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote:


I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy.  We managed to get 
several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it.  We had him 
out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in.  I couldn't 
handle the cold any longer.  He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each 
other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I 
put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him.  Then he did his rip away 
at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again.  He loves life I think and 
has no intention of leaving.  I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by 
putting it in a piece of salmon.  Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. 
Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Marylyn
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are 
appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them.  I got mine from 
http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training.  Rescue 
Remedy is available most places.  However, an angel apparently sat on your 
shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it.  I 
keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. 
 They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself.  I can't say 
they look great.then I can't say I care.  


  There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or Dr. 
Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet.


  I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill.  It was 
heartbreaking.  Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him 
calm down.  How would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you 
up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down your throat?  Especially 
if that person was giving off all the vibes of panic?  


  You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too.  It is very 
calming.  It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me.  


  Don't give it up.  Enjoy the time you have.  It doesn't matter how long 
or how short.
  On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote:


We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left 
BooBoo alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him 
and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring.  I told Bob what you 
said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so 
much.  He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep.  
He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they 
couldn't see us today.  There were two emergencies apparently.  Big friggin 
deal.  If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, 
I give up.  I am searching for another vet.  I have a lead on a good one.  This 
guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid 
of it.  Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after 
I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions.  
He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's 
best interest at heart.  We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him 
dead yet.  I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable 
cold weather.  I'll give it a shot.  I wish cats liked lavender because I have 
a lot of that and it is supposed

Re: coughing

2008-02-23 Thread Marylyn
I didn't realize he was a flat-faced cat.  New thought.  There are  
little bowls chefs use for various ingredients before they mix and  
cook.  I am struggling to find a name.  They are shallow but the sides  
slope gently.  They are really neat for cats and might help keep the  
food from spreading.  It doesn't sound gross either.  I'll work on the  
name but they aren't that difficult to find and, like I said, keep the  
food from spreading.  Consider raising the bowl.  Dixie has a little  
table that raises her bowl maybe 4 inches.  She really doesn't need it  
but I started raising bowls when Kitty started having reflux problems  
due to pancreas cancer.  It really helped her so all my inside  
critters have raised food bowls.  Kitty could hide pills.  I could put  
them so far back in her throat, watch her swallow several times, then  
find the pill on the floor in a few minutes.  They are amazing.  And  
totally worth all we do in their behalf.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Lynne wrote:

Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us,  
more often both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as  
it sounds, push his food by finger into the centre.  With his little  
flat face it's hard for him to to eat anything that is spread out.   
That's when he starts his snorting.  We watch that piece of food  
with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go on to the next  
piece.  I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him.  I  
did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken  
flavored.  It isn't bad but he hates it.  I'd rather do the pill.  I  
have never had a problem with our other cat.  He's always been a big  
boy so I would just sit him on my lap and do the job.  He doesn't  
fight like Boo does.  We're trying to keep his life as stress free  
as possible.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Good job.  Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them  
days and weeks after she left this world.  Cats are very sneaky.  I  
suspect that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better.   
I've tasted various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral.   
They were awful.  Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like.   
It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote:

I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy.  We managed to  
get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over  
it.  We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want  
to come in.  I couldn't handle the cold any longer.  He and Lennie  
sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo  
who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he  
just stared and stared at him.  Then he did his rip away at the  
bottom stair and is upstairs eating again.  He loves life I think  
and has no intention of leaving.  I gave him his last dose of Lasix  
today by putting it in a piece of salmon.  Since he was so hungry  
he didn't notice it.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are  
appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them.  I got  
mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and  
her training.  Rescue Remedy is available most places.  However, an  
angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the  
catniptry it and see how he likes it.  I keep 3 pas (goat  
feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie.   
They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself.  I  
can't say they look great.then I can't say I care.


There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/ 
or Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet.


I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill.  It was  
heartbreaking.  Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down  
and help him calm down.  How would you like someone 100 times  
bigger than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing  
something down your throat?  Especially if that person was giving  
off all the vibes of panic?


You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too.  It is  
very calming.  It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me.


Don't give it up.  Enjoy the time you have.  It doesn't matter how  
long or how short.

On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote:

We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly  
left BooBoo alone sleeping.  When we got home I went upstairs and  
lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began  
purring.  I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they  
need so we've determined not to bug him so much.  He did pee and  
poo while we

Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread Sally Davis
This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about
the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye
crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I
can only assume it slows the herpes virus down.

A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now
eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report
he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet
calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned
IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the
house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference
other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.

A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.

Sally



On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are
 clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.
 they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is
 cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's
 viral and could be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any
 ideas I would love to hear them.
 tonya


 *Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 Laurie,
 This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr
 sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to
 my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these
 episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his
 sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma
 without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect
 me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

 --

 Belinda
 happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and  Spike
 Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign
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Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread Lynne
Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the 
one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.  I just 
noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, 
nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that 
gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his Doxycycline 
because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't bother to 
culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here.  
Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so 
determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being 
conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same 
thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem 
to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at 
work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care 
as is reasonable before euthanizing him.  This doc is so funny.  He took time 
off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet.  

I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our 
BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main ingredient is 
chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he 
turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal though 
because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you 
put in front of him, except this, fortunately.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.

  A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now 
eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was 
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur 
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he 
is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was 
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the 
catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.

  A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.

  Sally




  On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are 
clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they 
did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. 
He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could 
be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love 
to hear them.
tonya 


Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Laurie,
  This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
  sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
  my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
  episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
  sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
  without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
  me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

  -- 

  Belinda
  happiness is being owned by cats ...

  Be-Mi-Kitties
  http://www.bemikitties.com

  HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
  http://www.hostdesign4u.com

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  -- 
  Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and  Spike  Please 
Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up.

  http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 


Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread Sally Davis
Hi Lynne

It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is :

Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes
acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or *feline herpesvirus
infection*). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide.
The following website gives more information
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml

Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye
infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers.
Junior does not get these.

How is BooBoo doing?

Sally

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to,
 the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.  I
 just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his
 eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other
 animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his
 Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet
 didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are
 dealing with here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal
 level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my
 opinion he isn't being conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or
 see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage
 and he doesn't really seem to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very
 cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told
 me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him.
 This doc is so funny.  He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying
 of his dog along with his vet.

 I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing
 our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main ingredient is
 chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he
 turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal
 though because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat
 anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately.

 Lynne

  - Original Message -
 *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
 *Subject:* Re: coughing

 This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off
 antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about
 the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye
 crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I
 can only assume it slows the herpes virus down.

   A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is
 now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He
 was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His
 fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to
 report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my
 vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on
 canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers
 in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any
 difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them
 to see.

 A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.

 Sally




 On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are
  clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.
  they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is
  cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's
  viral and could be herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any
  ideas I would love to hear them.
  tonya
 
 
  *Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:
 
  Laurie,
  This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr
  sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to
 
  my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these
  episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his
  sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma
  without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect
  me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.
 
  --
 
  Belinda
  happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
  Be-Mi-Kitties
  http://www.bemikitties.com
 
  HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
  http://www.hostdesign4u.com
 
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 --
 Sally, Eric

Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread Lynne
Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more 
chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and 
occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem.  I've 
told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it.

Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much normal now and he 
went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being all sweet and purring 
tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him.  We get our exercise by 
running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is.  He's 
very tired though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a lot from him 
but he seems pretty content.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Hi Lynne

  It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : 

  Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes 
acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus 
infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. 

  The following website gives more information 
  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

  They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml


  Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection 
he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does 
not get these.

  How is BooBoo doing?

  Sally

  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, 
the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.  I just 
noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, 
nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that 
gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his Doxycycline 
because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't bother to 
culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here.  
Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so 
determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being 
conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same 
thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem 
to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at 
work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care 
as is reasonable before euthanizing him.  This doc is so funny.  He took time 
off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet.  

I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing 
our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main ingredient is 
chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he 
turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal though 
because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you 
put in front of him, except this, fortunately.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.

  A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is 
now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was 
having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur 
was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he 
is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was 
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the 
catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.

  A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.

  Sally



   
  On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are 
clear.  He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they 
did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. 
He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's

Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread Sally Davis
I am Glad he is doing better. The FHV is a chronic conditions that flares up
when a cat is stressed. A cat with FELV is less able to fight the virus off.
Junior has had this latest URI since summer. Yes he snorts, sometimes coughs
after purring. He still eats well and is of good weight. I always panic over
any new symptom. I need to stp doing that. Give BooBoo lots of love.

Sally

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds
 more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats
 and occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a nuisance than a
 problem.  I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it.

 Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much normal now
 and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being all sweet and
 purring tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him.  We get our
 exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good
 boy he is.  He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't
 expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content.

 Lynne

  - Original Message -
 *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
 *Subject:* Re: coughing

 Hi Lynne

 It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is :

 Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes
 acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or *feline herpesvirus
 infection*). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide.
 The following website gives more information
 http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

 They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

 http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml

 Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye
 infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers.
 Junior does not get these.

 How is BooBoo doing?

 Sally

 On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring
  to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.
  I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his
  eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other
  animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his
  Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet
  didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are
  dealing with here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal
  level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my
  opinion he isn't being conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or
  see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage
  and he doesn't really seem to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very
  cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told
  me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him.
  This doc is so funny.  He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying
  of his dog along with his vet.
 
  I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only
  thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main
  ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular
  chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think
  it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other
  pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately.
 
  Lynne
 
   - Original Message -
  *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
  *Subject:* Re: coughing
 
  This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off
  antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about
  the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye
  crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I
  can only assume it slows the herpes virus down.
 
A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He
  is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most.
  He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped.
  His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to
  report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my
  vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on
  canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers
  in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any
  difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need

Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread Marylyn
Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time.   We  
are supposed to sleep over 30%.  He may just be doing what cats do.   
Please don't read too much into things.  It will rob you of the  
pleasure of his company.  I learned the hard way.

On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote:

Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation  
sounds more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts  
when he eats and occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a  
nuisance than a problem.  I've told the vet about it but he kind of  
dismissed it.


Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much normal  
now and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being all  
sweet and purring tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling  
him.  We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so  
to tell him what a good boy he is.  He's very tired though and  
sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a lot from him but he  
seems pretty content.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

Hi Lynne

It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is :
Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1)  
causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline  
herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats  
worldwide.


The following website gives more information
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml

Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye  
infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth  
ulcers. Junior does not get these.


How is BooBoo doing?

Sally

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring  
to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold  
sores.  I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a  
discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed  
about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his  
eyes.  We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the  
breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't bother to  
culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with  
here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level  
but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my  
opinion he isn't being conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to  
him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is  
the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him.   
Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me  
about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as  
is reasonable before euthanizing him.  This doc is so funny.  He  
took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along  
with his vet.


I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only  
thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main  
ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him  
regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks  
a can.  I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to  
fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front  
of him, except this, fortunately.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: coughing

This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off  
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He  
is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He  
also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L  
Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus  
down.


A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He  
is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the  
most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see  
if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in  
clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps.  
His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is  
more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free  
feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was  
hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other  
than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see.


A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm.

Sally




On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His

Re: coughing

2008-02-22 Thread laurieskatz
well said, Marylyn. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time.   We are 
supposed to sleep over 30%.  He may just be doing what cats do.  Please don't 
read too much into things.  It will rob you of the pleasure of his company.  I 
learned the hard way.

  On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote:


Thanks Sally.  From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds 
more chronic than acute.  He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and 
occasionally sneezes.  It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem.  I've 
told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it.

Boo has had 2 really good days.  His breathing is pretty much normal now 
and he went out for fresh air twice today.  He was being all sweet and purring 
tonight.  I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him.  We get our exercise by 
running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is.  He's 
very tired though and sleeps most of the time.  We don't expect a lot from him 
but he seems pretty content.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sally Davis
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Hi Lynne

  It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : 

  Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes 
acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus 
infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide.

  The following website gives more information
  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/

  They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus

  http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml


  Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye 
infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. 
Junior does not get these.

  How is BooBoo doing?

  Sally

  On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring 
to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores.  I 
just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his 
eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other 
animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes.  We've started him back on his 
Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled.  My vet didn't 
bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with 
here.  Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so 
determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being 
conscientious enough.  Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same 
thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem 
to want to save him.  Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at 
work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care 
as is reasonable before euthanizing him.  This doc is so funny.  He took time 
off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. 

I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only 
thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it.  The main ingredient 
is chicken liver and fish oil.  I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he 
turned his nose up at it.  It's 2 bucks a can.  I think it's a good deal though 
because a little seems to fill him up.  Our other pig cat will eat anything you 
put in front of him, except this, fortunately.

Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: Sally Davis
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off 
antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the 
same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud 
typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only 
assume it slows the herpes virus down.

  A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He 
is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He 
was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His 
fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report 
he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls 
it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He 
still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was 
hoping

Re: coughing

2008-02-21 Thread catatonya
I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker.  His lungs are clear.  
He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really.  they did a 
culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is 
on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be 
herpes.  He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to 
hear them.
  tonya

Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Laurie,
This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.

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RE: coughing

2008-02-15 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Your email made me chuckle Laurie!
My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically
his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I
think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: coughing

Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!)
will 
occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He
does 
this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal
volume 
of food.
L
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: coughing


   Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make
sure 
 they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day.

 Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food?

 -- 

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 happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: coughing

2008-02-15 Thread laurieskatz
Kerry, Winston chews on cotton and licks my clothes (esp the underarms). 
Goofy kitties provide us lots of laughs!

L
- Original Message - 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: coughing


Your email made me chuckle Laurie!
My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically
his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I
think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: coughing

Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!)
will
occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He
does
this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal
volume
of food.
L
- Original Message - 
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: coughing



  Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make

sure

they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day.


Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food?


--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...


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that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any 
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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Lynne
Thank Lance and Laurie for your advice.  I definitely am going to start keeping 
a journal so when I do see the vet again I will have it all written down.  To 
me it sounded like a fur ball cough, nothing came out though, but I also notice 
him licking his lips a lot and when he eats, he snorts.  Oh I don't know.  This 
is just all so foreign to me.  Like I've mentioned, I've never had serious 
problems with cats.  They just get really old, develop a kidney issue and have 
to be put down.  This guy is a whole different story.  If nothing else I 
certainly can appreciate that I was very fortunate to have one kid that grew up 
with no health issues.  Some people have children with serious health issues 
and it must be so very difficult for them with the worry of losing them.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough changes 
in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then it might not be 
anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting thing several weeks ago, 
and it hasn't happened since. She may have had a reaction to a high dose of 
Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack up fur, then it's highly unlikely to be 
something abnormal. Cats are prone to that, as you know.


  One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to keep a 
text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health occurrences for Ember. 
I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a year ago, and I still have the 
file, in case I need to refer to it. 


  Lance


  On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote:


Hi all.

I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells.  I described it to the 
vet and he says it sounds like fur balls.  He does use his litter box so I 
don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not 
convinced this is the problem.  I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube 
for him today, but could this be something else?  I have no idea if this was a 
problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any 
more information on him to me.  I do know that the previous owners smoked in 
their home and that certainly could not have been good for him.  Is this a 
typical problem for a Felv cat ?  If so, should I be getting him back to the 
vet for some kind of medication? 

Thanks
Lynne




Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Asthma can look like a hairball cough. There are many other things it can be, 
too, if not a hairball. Lung worm, heartworm, upper respiratory. 
An asthma kitty can also have a wet sounding purr. The hairball cough are what 
both Keisha and Frankie had. Both have/had asthma. Frankie's attacks alway 
finish with one big cough but everyone is different. Teddy's was evident only 
after he played.There are 3 good feline asthma yahoo groups. Asthma is 
diagnosed via chest xray and owner report. Don't let anyone suggest a BAL 
(bronchial avelor or something like that wash) ~ unnecessary and it reduces the 
airways of an already breathing compromised cat.
Pls keep us posted.
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:25 PM
  Subject: coughing


  Hi all.

  I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells.  I described it to the 
vet and he says it sounds like fur balls.  He does use his litter box so I 
don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not 
convinced this is the problem.  I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube 
for him today, but could this be something else?  I have no idea if this was a 
problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any 
more information on him to me.  I do know that the previous owners smoked in 
their home and that certainly could not have been good for him.  Is this a 
typical problem for a Felv cat ?  If so, should I be getting him back to the 
vet for some kind of medication?  

  Thanks
  Lynne

Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Lance
I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough  
changes in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then  
it might not be anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting  
thing several weeks ago, and it hasn't happened since. She may have  
had a reaction to a high dose of Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack  
up fur, then it's highly unlikely to be something abnormal. Cats are  
prone to that, as you know.


One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to  
keep a text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health  
occurrences for Ember. I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a  
year ago, and I still have the file, in case I need to refer to it.


Lance

On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote:


Hi all.

I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells.  I described it  
to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls.  He does use his  
litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like  
that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem.  I'll get some of  
that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be  
something else?  I have no idea if this was a problem before we got  
them because the previous owners will not offer up any more  
information on him to me.  I do know that the previous owners smoked  
in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him.   
Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ?  If so, should I be  
getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication?


Thanks
Lynne




Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Lynne, licking lips is indicative of upset stomach. Snorting is a new one. It 
really could just be a hairball...breathe and make notes!

I know that I can easily go to a fear place. Frankie (blind, asthmatic and 
previously had pancreatitis) has been calling out in the night the past few 
nights. He sounds distressed and I don't believe I had ever heard his voice 
before. He's been with me for 10 years. This is totally new. So, is it a 
thyroid problem...or is he wanting the Drinkwell which is downstairs or is he 
maybe hungry. I'll keep notes and try the easy fixes first...but boy I know 
that I can go to the worse case quickly. Not good for me or him!
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:45 PM
  Subject: Re: coughing


  Thank Lance and Laurie for your advice.  I definitely am going to start 
keeping a journal so when I do see the vet again I will have it all written 
down.  To me it sounded like a fur ball cough, nothing came out though, but I 
also notice him licking his lips a lot and when he eats, he snorts.  Oh I don't 
know.  This is just all so foreign to me.  Like I've mentioned, I've never had 
serious problems with cats.  They just get really old, develop a kidney issue 
and have to be put down.  This guy is a whole different story.  If nothing else 
I certainly can appreciate that I was very fortunate to have one kid that grew 
up with no health issues.  Some people have children with serious health issues 
and it must be so very difficult for them with the worry of losing them.

  Lynne
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: coughing


I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough 
changes in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then it might 
not be anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting thing several 
weeks ago, and it hasn't happened since. She may have had a reaction to a high 
dose of Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack up fur, then it's highly unlikely 
to be something abnormal. Cats are prone to that, as you know.


One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to keep a 
text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health occurrences for Ember. 
I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a year ago, and I still have the 
file, in case I need to refer to it. 


Lance


On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote:


  Hi all.

  I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells.  I described it to 
the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls.  He does use his litter box so I 
don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not 
convinced this is the problem.  I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube 
for him today, but could this be something else?  I have no idea if this was a 
problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any 
more information on him to me.  I do know that the previous owners smoked in 
their home and that certainly could not have been good for him.  Is this a 
typical problem for a Felv cat ?  If so, should I be getting him back to the 
vet for some kind of medication? 

  Thanks
  Lynne



Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Belinda Sauro

Laurie,
   This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
my vet.  She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these 
episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his 
sinuses.  He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma 
without coughing.  These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect 
me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all.


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Belinda, Teddy had no coughing. He panted after exercise. Keisha and Frankie 
had/have the coughing. Frankie has coughed for 10 years (since the day I 
rescued him from my yard). Keisha really only coughed for about 2 months 
about 3 years ago (every day). Prednisone stopped it. She had two of the 
hairball coughing type attacks in the week before she died unexpectedly last 
summer. Her purring always sounded very loud, deep and wet. My vet said 
Frankie's problem was post nasal drip. He said this for 6 years. Frankie had 
a coughing attack twice a week (this is very common with asthma). A 
(finally) second opinion revealed asthma.

(ps no we don't smoke...and yet had 3 cats with asthma).
Laurie




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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: coughing



Laurie,
   This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr 
sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to 
my vet.  She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes 
and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses.  He has 
never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. 
These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he 
doesn't seem to notice them at all.


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Hi Belinda, small world. Lucy has HCM. Her meds have greatly improved her 
quality of life. She is much more active now.
Frankie's early chest xrays did not show the donuts as there was no damage 
yet. That is why my vet said it was not asthma.
Inhaled meds have resulted in improvement in chest xrays. This is Frankie's 
good time of year (winter) amd he's been attack free for several months now.


From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way down 
and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? 
Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes.


My personal belief is that asthma is tied to allergies. Frankie's asthma is 
worst in fall (moldy leaves outside) and when we have remodeling done. 
Wonder if you kept track of times of year or suspected triggers for Joey's 
asthmawonder if there is a relationship between asthma and HCM. I have 
not heard of one. Keisha did have fluid around her HEART and died of 
congestive heart failure...


Normally we have no spray or scented anything here. We have HEPA air 
cleaners, an air exchanger, and air cleaners on the furnace. I take many 
precautions. We live in the woods so dust is a factor.

Laurie



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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: coughing


  When Joey was about 5 months old he panted after playing, I took him to 
the vet and he sent me to a specialty place.  They did lots of tests and 
said he was early HCM, this was in Missouri.  Moved back her and a year 
later had him rechecked, he was on medication for his supposed heart 
disease and looked awful, he looked very unhealthy, he looked 100 times 
better before he started the meds.  The year later check up here in 
Washington state by a cardiologist revealed in his opinion Joey never had 
heart disease and he told me to stop the meds.  He looked and acted better 
after stopping the meds.  My sister moved in with me about then and 
brought 2 cats with her.  Shelbee seemed to have an upper respiratory 
thing going on which cleared up but if memory serves me right Joey's 
breathing and purring thing started after that.


Can't say 100% it did but that seems to be the time I associate noticing 
it with, so that is why I never doubted my vet telling me it was all in 
his upper respiratory area.  Joey has these episodes 4,5 maybe 6 times a 
year and then he is fine, they usually last a week or two.  I'm pretty 
sure I have insisted on a chest Xray at some point because I wanted to be 
sure it was nothing to worry about and he does have HCM now and is on 
medication for it these last 3 years.  He gets a heart ultra sound once a 
year.  Would a chest xray show asthma for sure??


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Hi Laurie,
  Joey has never coughed, it is the panting he did but only when he was 
5 months old and then put on the heart meds stoppd that but he looked 
very unhealthy.  When he was checked a year later he was taken off the 
meds and given a clean bill of health for the heart disease.  He really 
developed heart disease at 9 years of age and has gotten benazepril 
since then and his heart disease is progessing very slowly.


He is losing weight though and recently has starting vomiting one or two 
times a week.  He also was diagnosed with eary CRF about a year ago and 
my vet wanted me to give him fluids 3 times a week, but he acts like I'm 
killing him so I have not done that.  I know his kidney disease has 
progressed and the vomiting is partly from that because sometimes its 
just foam which goes along with CRF.  BUT he never, ever vomited in his 
whole life so I will be taking him in to get that checked out because 
sometimes it is his food.  His weight loss over the last few years has 
me a bit worried, he has gone from 10 pounds 5 or 6 years ago to just a 
little over 8 pounds now.  I'm scared what she is going to say about his 
CRF, with his heart disease fluids are tricky so I have to be careful 
but advanced kidney disease sometimes requires alot of fluids, Fred get 
150cc a day.


We discovered Joey's HCM because he developed a heart murmur and we did 
an ultra sound and saw the slight thickening of the left side.  His 
murmur has stayed the same for the last 3 years.


From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way 
down 
and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing 
last? Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes.


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Belinda Sauro
  When Joey was about 5 months old he panted after playing, I took him 
to the vet and he sent me to a specialty place.  They did lots of tests 
and said he was early HCM, this was in Missouri.  Moved back her and a 
year later had him rechecked, he was on medication for his supposed 
heart disease and looked awful, he looked very unhealthy, he looked 100 
times better before he started the meds.  The year later check up here 
in Washington state by a cardiologist revealed in his opinion Joey never 
had heart disease and he told me to stop the meds.  He looked and acted 
better after stopping the meds.  My sister moved in with me about then 
and brought 2 cats with her.  Shelbee seemed to have an upper 
respiratory thing going on which cleared up but if memory serves me 
right Joey's breathing and purring thing started after that.


Can't say 100% it did but that seems to be the time I associate noticing 
it with, so that is why I never doubted my vet telling me it was all in 
his upper respiratory area.  Joey has these episodes 4,5 maybe 6 times a 
year and then he is fine, they usually last a week or two.  I'm pretty 
sure I have insisted on a chest Xray at some point because I wanted to 
be sure it was nothing to worry about and he does have HCM now and is on 
medication for it these last 3 years.  He gets a heart ultra sound once 
a year.  Would a chest xray show asthma for sure??


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make 
sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day.


Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? 


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread Belinda Sauro

  Hi Laurie,
   Why would they take her off the meds?  Joey will be on them for the 
rest of his life.  He hasn't had to increase them because his HCM is 
progressing slowly, his thickening is about the same but his arotic 
value has dilated slightly more so there is progression.  He is failry 
active for his age, he still doesn't like the fluids but I know he'll 
get used to them, Fred has been getting them for almost 2 years and he 
used to bite me and run under the bed.  He figures out it wouldn't do 
him any good so now he just waits for me to take him out to the couch 
and do them.  BUT the second I close off the valve he is gone.  Fred is 
17, Joey is 12 now, 13 this July.


He hasn't panted since he was 5 months old, I have noticed something 
recently and I don't know what it means, I have never seen any other cat 
do it, he will open his mouth and sort of hiss, just a very short hiss, 
he just does it out of the blue.  Ever seen that?


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Belinda, that sounds like a challenge ~ HCM and CRF. Is the vomit undigested 
food? If yes, is he gobbling his food?
Might check to see if the food refusal is connected with the vomiting 
(refusing before or after).


I wonder if the panting might be associated with the HCM (if his heart is 
racing). I can't imagine he has asthma too...
Bless his heart (literally). Lucy was diagnosed with HCM when she was 9, 
too. Hers has stayed the same on the benazepril and she will go off that med 
if she continues the same (via ultrasound) at her next appt.


L

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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: coughing



   Hi Laurie,
  Joey has never coughed, it is the panting he did but only when he was 5 
months old and then put on the heart meds stoppd that but he looked very 
unhealthy.  When he was checked a year later he was taken off the meds and 
given a clean bill of health for the heart disease.  He really developed 
heart disease at 9 years of age and has gotten benazepril since then and 
his heart disease is progessing very slowly.


He is losing weight though and recently has starting vomiting one or two 
times a week.  He also was diagnosed with eary CRF about a year ago and my 
vet wanted me to give him fluids 3 times a week, but he acts like I'm 
killing him so I have not done that.  I know his kidney disease has 
progressed and the vomiting is partly from that because sometimes its just 
foam which goes along with CRF.  BUT he never, ever vomited in his whole 
life so I will be taking him in to get that checked out because sometimes 
it is his food.  His weight loss over the last few years has me a bit 
worried, he has gone from 10 pounds 5 or 6 years ago to just a little over 
8 pounds now.  I'm scared what she is going to say about his CRF, with his 
heart disease fluids are tricky so I have to be careful but advanced 
kidney disease sometimes requires alot of fluids, Fred get 150cc a day.


We discovered Joey's HCM because he developed a heart murmur and we did an 
ultra sound and saw the slight thickening of the left side.  His murmur 
has stayed the same for the last 3 years.


From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way 
down
and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? 
Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes.


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Belinda, Lucy had no symptoms with her HCM so they think, if she continues 
as she is, that maybe that is just how her heart looks. (We did chest xrays 
and blood work on everyone after Keisha died).  I think she feels better on 
the meds and her BP was pretty high (200+). I think the meds can cause...is 
it kidney problems? Anyway, I think the side effects and lack of symptoms 
are the reason.


Interesting about the hiss. Cooper does that. For no reason, he just hisses. 
He also will also sometimes get winded when he plays and will pant/open 
mouth breath. This does not happen often so I am  just watching it for now. 
I can't even fathom the idea that I would have FOUR asthmatic cats.


Laurie

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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: coughing



  Hi Laurie,
   Why would they take her off the meds?  Joey will be on them for the 
rest of his life.  He hasn't had to increase them because his HCM is 
progressing slowly, his thickening is about the same but his arotic value 
has dilated slightly more so there is progression.  He is failry active 
for his age, he still doesn't like the fluids but I know he'll get used to 
them, Fred has been getting them for almost 2 years and he used to bite me 
and run under the bed.  He figures out it wouldn't do him any good so now 
he just waits for me to take him out to the couch and do them.  BUT the 
second I close off the valve he is gone.  Fred is 17, Joey is 12 now, 13 
this July.


He hasn't panted since he was 5 months old, I have noticed something 
recently and I don't know what it means, I have never seen any other cat 
do it, he will open his mouth and sort of hiss, just a very short hiss, he 
just does it out of the blue.  Ever seen that?


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Re: coughing

2008-02-10 Thread laurieskatz
Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will 
occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does 
this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume 
of food.

L
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: coughing


  Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure 
they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day.



Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food?


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Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie Lawther
Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch's asthma? Do you find that these are helping? I know herbs are hard on a cat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how he is accepting them into his food. I'm VERY interested in how this works

Leslie=^..^=
On 10/9/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry it's taken a few days to get back with you on the specifics, but...well, you'll see.

My vet emailed me back about the herbs in Satch's asthma powder. I'll cut and paste from her email, then include links to Google searches that I did next to the ingredients - all text is hers, but anything within   are my additions. I think that Eastern medecine is fascinating...in part because it all sounds like a kung fu movie, and I like to visualize the minor blue dragon kicking ass in Satch's bloodstream. Click on a few of these, I learned a lot, hopefully you guys will find it interesting: 

---
Hello.So how well do you know pin yin names of chinese herbs? It's part Xiao Qing Long Tang 

http://tcm.health-info.org/formulas/singles/Xiao-qing-long-tang.htm
 

(minor blue dragon combination) and eight other singular herbs:
Huang Qi 
 seems like this is just astragalus: http://alternativehealing.org/huang_qi.htm

Dong Chong Xia Cao 
http://www.heritage.com.sg/monograph/prod32.htm
Lian Qiao 
 http://alternativehealing.org/lian_qiao.htm
SHeng Jiang 
 this looks like it's ginger root:http://www.herbalists.on.ca/resources/freeman/ZINGIB.html

Shan Yao 
 http://alternativehealing.org/huai_shan.htm
Shan Zhu Yu 
I don't know about the whole invigorating the yang of the loins bit, but: 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Cornus+officinalis 
Chen Pi 
 this one has very interesting infounder the Pharmacology section: 
http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMH1.asp?objID=100823ctype=tcmh 
Zi Su Ye 
http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/zisuye-properties.htm

Hope this helps!

Indeed. 

Leslie

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Asthma Hee hee.It's rare that anyone gets away with being vague abouttreatments around here.We're always so anxious to see what anyone elseis trying and if it seems to be working.How wonderful that you've
found a holistic vet that you like.I have one that's about an houraway from me.She's the best vet I've ever found for dealing withreluctant patients, but she isn't that good at all the 'not so common'problems that are always so abundant around my house.She's also very 
expensive and hard to get an appointment with.I used to say Brucewould be perfect if only he had a trust fund, now I'm wishing he'd spenthis expensive education in veterinary school as well.Take notes when you talk to your vet :-) , 
N-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson 


Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication

2006-10-09 Thread Leslie
Hi Leslie, yes these are the asthma herbs. My vet liked the combination of the Feline Immune Support pills for his immune system and these herbs that are for the asthma, but also immune support. I hadn't heard that herbs were hard on cats - I knew that essential oils were to be avoided, but had thought herbs to be a safe alternative, I'd be interested to hear more on that.


He doesn't object to them mixed into his food at all, in fact, first I mixed in with a lot of food to dilute it (it's a very fine powder), and he'd lose interest as he got full, so I'd lose some to the scavenging kitten (who at 
5.5 lbs already has a bigger ration than her 13 lb counterpart). Just yesterday, I mixed his dose (it's about 1/8 teaspoon twice a day) in a couple teaspoons of wet food and he gobbled it right down. Now I can control more easily that he is the one getting that medication. It smells kind of chocolatey to me...a deep smell, not offensive, but I haven't tasted it yet, I should just to see (maybe get some blue dragon action going myself). 


He's been on it about a week and a half and his progress seems to continue. It's hard to tell, though, admittedly. He'll go a few days with only a slight huff, and then he'll do the cough/inhale. His fits aren't nearly as prolonged as Fritz's on the link that you sent me (thank you very much, those were very interesting) - his cough/inhales last maybe three seconds, then he swallows hard and walks on, but as your links highlighted, it's no indication that a serious, prolongedattack might not occur. I don't know what he's inhaling that's triggering it, I can't think of any obvious changes.I have the Dyson Animal Vac, so I'll try and use it more (don't know how Mom got him in cahoots with her!) and I'll see about getting an air cleaner like you suggested. 


My vet is optimistic that his dosage will be able to be cut back, she said that many cats respond well to this. The container of powder cost $22.50 and I'd hope to get at least two months out of it...maybe more.


I'll be sure to keep you up to date with progress reports.

Leslie

From: Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication*Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch'sasthma?Do you find that these are helping?I know herbs are hard on acat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how
he is accepting them into his food.I'm VERY interested in how thisworks**Leslie=^..^=*