Re: more bad news

2008-02-28 Thread Pat Kachur
I agree with you completely.I wouldn't change anything you are doing.  
BooBoo is happy; that's the main thing.  And I would NEVER say that I would not 
have wanted to have Priscilla and Pixie in my life, even though it was for far 
too short a time.

BTW - I did not know they were sick at all for quite some time after I had them 
(one was more than 20 years ago) so they were mixed with all my other cats at 
the times I had them.  Fortunately, no one else got sick.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:23 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I've been doing a lot of reading tonight Pat and it would appear that a 
diagnosis of FIP is one of those differential diagnoses, the vet goes by a 
collection of symptoms and makes the call.  I'm wondering at this point if it 
even matters.  I don't plan to change the way we're doing things or go looking 
for some snake oil treatment.  I'm just gonna concentrate on diet, quiet and 
happiness.  I now have an inkling of what you good people have gone through and 
somehow there must be something good come out of this experience.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Pat Kachur 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had 
leukemia, too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the 
fluid was strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  
My vet says that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine 
both had, results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  
My kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and 
I had them put down.  

My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no 
test that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal 
action against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any 
kind of animal!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for 
it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and 
all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't 
I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to 
accept where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and 
comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood 
vessels I'm screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an 
FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It 
is called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be 
very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled 
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of 
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop 
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% 
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test 
positive for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know

Re: more bad news

2008-02-28 Thread Lynne
Belinda, he was on Lasix 20 mg a day, in divided doses.  The vet told me
yesterday to just give him 10 mg a day as he doesn't want to dehydrate him.
Are you referring to Spironolactone?  I haven't mentioned that yet but maybe
it could be of benefit.  From what I understand the fluid buildup is in the
lungs but I'm not sure that is the case.  I think it is surrounding the
lungs and the pressure of the buildup causes the difficulty in breathing.
You're probably right, my vet is giving up on BooBoo because he knows the
ultimate results and may even be trying to spare me additional sadness.  As
for the blood vessels leaking protein,, I don't know what he means by that.
There was fibrous material in the fluid and protein but no bacteria.  I
don't know if I'm being paranoid but we thought he was kind of overly warm
last night and he still is on his antibiotic so why a fever.  I will call
today and mention the Spironolactone and pretend to know what I'm talking
about.

Thanks for your advice Belinda.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


 Lynne,
What is his lasix dose?  Have you asked about being on spiro, darn I
 can't think of the name but it is used with lasix if lasix isn't doing
 the trick.  I belong to a feline heart group and many cats are on it
 with lasix, it worked when lasix alone didn't.  Is the fluid in his
 lungs or outside his lungs?  I'm asking questions on the vet list I'm on
 maybe they'll see something here everyone is missing.

 What exactly does your vet mean by his blood vessels are leaking, I seem
 to remember my vet mentioning something like this when Bailey was anemic
 that this was possible, I don't remember what she called it.

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Re: more bad news

2008-02-28 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Lynne,
  Still waiting for answers on the vet list.  Some vets are afraid to 
use spiro and lasix togehter but I know many cats on the heart list who 
didn't benefit from lasix alone and are doing well being on both.  Many 
advanced heart kitties have fluid biuld up and the spiro and lasix are 
keeping them going.


Poor Boo, he has been through so much in such a short time.  And just to 
clarify, I am not saying Boo doe not have FIP, he may very well but 
since FIP is not 100% diagnosable in a living cat and there are many 
things that mimic FIP I go crazy when a vet says FIP and stops 
looking.   And something that drives me even crazier is when the cat 
does die the people don't have a necropsy done, how does that help 
anyone?  If it's FIP then they could have peace of mind if it isn't they 
will know what it is and if any of there other cats or someone else 
going through the same thing with a cat could benefit from that 
knowledge.  Of course they are going to feel bad because it wasn't FIP 
but atleast let the death help another kitty.


You may have guessed I'm pretty hard core when my cats get sick I will 
try everything until it is obvious to me there is nothing more to do and 
I know many people would quit long before I do but that is just how I 
am.  If I think there is even the slimmest chance even if the cat is at 
deaths door, I will keep trying, only because I have had cats that sick 
and brought them back.  I want the same thing done with me.  I do 
believe in miracles, once your dead there ain't going to be any miracles 
then.


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RE: more bad news

2008-02-28 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
Dear Lynne
I can well imagine how you felt when you were given this news. I know
almost nothing about FIP myself including how reliable such a diagnosis
is but I see many of the good folks on this list who are informed have
given you lots of good feedback.
I know how very difficult (understatement) it is for you to suffer this
double blow and we each have to deal with our special needs cats in our
own way. My 2 cents worth: when I discovered 5 of my 3-month old rescue
foster kittens had FeLV (at which point I realized they were no longer
fosters but mine), and after the initial floods of tears had subsided
and I had to get on with the practicals of looking after them, it made
me feel good that I could care for them---that they would never to have
to worry about finding shelter in sub-zero temperatures, foraging for
food, or suffer e.g., untreated URIs again. Bad enough they had FeLV but
far, far worse (to my mind) to suffer it on the street. Of course there
were very, very painful times--some I still can't dwell on--but because
they found me, I feel that at least they had quality of life while they
were symptom-free.
BooBoo has more love and devotion now than he ever dreamt possible! You
have already given this little soul that came into your life more than
many creatures, 2- and 4-legged, get in a lifetime. I love the fact that
he found YOU. He sure knew what he was doing. If everyone in the world
was like you and Bob, what a wonderful world this would truly be.
hugs, Kerry


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: more bad news


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.
There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.
There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because
his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will
continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess
does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to
have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the
obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too
good at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that
tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit
with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if
the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be
realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are
horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who
owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We
have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering consulting
with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne
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RE: more bad news

2008-02-28 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

You really need to start thinking about getting him Pred.  It doesn't matter 
WHAT it is that it affecting him, but whatever it is, it is bad.  He has fluid 
in his lungs and he can't be comfortable with the aspirations.  The Pred will 
increase his quality of life and make him more comfortable (not cure him).  
You need to start thinking about Palliative Care if you want to fully do right 
by BooBoo and Pred is the best for that.  If BooBoo turns out to be a miracle 
cat and fights all this off and rallies, the Pred will not have hurt him at all.
 
Caroline 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad newsDate: Wed, 27 Feb 
2008 22:10:54 -0500



Well if it isn't FIP, what could it possibly be ?  And if it isn't, and there 
is no bacterial infection in the sample sent off is it just another 
complication of feline leukemia? What kind of treatment is there for 
accumulation of fluid on the lungs other than what we're doing now.  The vet 
told me today this is the second case like this he's seen this week.  I 
truthfully don't believe these vets would deliberately withhold any kind of 
treatment if they thought it would work.  They know that we are prepared to try 
just about anything that would possibly be helpful to him.  I don't plan to 
give up on the little guy and am still reading up on other treatments but 
everything I have read so far says these animals are doomed.  I have yet to 
come across any medical information that says they can live a long and healthy 
life.  I'm not giving up on the Interferon or Prednisolone.  I also can't be 
putting this poor animal through weekly lung aspirations forever.  I can see 
complications arising from that as well.
 
Lynne

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From: Belinda Sauro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news
Any vet that tells you this is a quack ... period
he has FIPFIP can ONLY be diagnosed with an autopsy so Boo will not get treated 
now for what he really has, I hate vets that tell people that.   There are many 
things that mimic FIP, but once the dreaded FIP word is mentioned the cat is 
doomed to die because the vet looks no further.  It sounds to me like your vet 
is tired of trying to figure out how to treat Boo and this is his way out ... 
so sad for Boo ...-- 

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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Kelley Saveika
Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It
is called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97%
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in
FIP.
Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html



If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive
for coronavirus titers.



On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
 cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There
 was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There
 was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood
 vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and
 at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain
 his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is
 finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
 fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more
 frequently then we will have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face
 for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we
 can but it isn't looking too good at the moment.  The vet said they had
 another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He
 said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is
 near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies
 but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband
 and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
 criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and
 vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a
 lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering
 consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

 Lynne




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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

  This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

  Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


  If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



   
  On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne



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RE: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as
Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the
tests only show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is
present in huge numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has
to mutate to become FIP and make them ill, and it usually only happens
in cats that are genetically predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not
saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, just that unless the specific test
Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis can be inaccurate.  The
general wisdom is that FIP can only really be accurately diagnosed by
necropsy.  
 
That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both
of you and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more bad news


I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for
it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested
positive and all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal
that he has it.  Don't I wish there could have been an error but I'm at
the point where I have to accept where this is going.  I just want to
keep him unstressed and comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug
that can repair all his blood vessels I'm screwed.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news

Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There
*is* an FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know
about it.  It is called Rivalta's test:
 
This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it
can be very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled
with distilled water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this
mixture one drop of effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test
is negative. If the drop retains its shape, the test is positive.  A
negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive
test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html

 

If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will
test positive for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.
BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline
leukemia.  There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to
do for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and
fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do
is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of
life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and
keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a
day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will
have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and
do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't
looking too good at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo
has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I
don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm
trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and
I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and
vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like
me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 

Lynne




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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread laurieskatz
I am so sorry. I was afraid it was FIP. My friend did this for her kitty (lung 
drain). He went along for awhile. His littermate never got FIP.
Pls also check into animal cruelty laws to see if they have violated any of 
those. Wonder if the other cats are sick, too.
REMEMBER~ there is a reason you came to love BooBoo and a reason he came to 
you. This bond you have from caring for him will make losing him harder but 
thank goodness he's not outside suffering.
You and Bob are his earth angels,
Laurie
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
  Subject: more bad news


  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne

Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread laurieskatz
right right. I forgot this.
Ask your vet?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM
  Subject: RE: more bad news


  Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as 
Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the tests only 
show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in huge 
numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has to mutate to become FIP 
and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are genetically 
predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not saying that BooBoo doesn't have FIP, 
just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is performed, the diagnosis 
can be inaccurate.  The general wisdom is that FIP can only really be 
accurately diagnosed by necropsy.  

  That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both of you 
and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.

  Diane R.



--
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne



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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread MaryChristine
FIRST OF ALL: NO ONE ON THIS LIST IS TO CROSSPOST ANYTHING I WRITE, OR
HAVE WRITTEN IN THE PAST, ANYWHERE ELSE, WITHOUT MY WRITTEN PERMISSION.

please please keep loivng him and doing everything you can, but if the test
was sent to antech labs for their foolproof FIP test, you need to know that
it is just another titre test and tho the lab (and way too many vets) claim
that it can tell the mutating strain of FeCoV from the non, there is no
independent research to back that up.

thank you for sending that link, kelley, i didn't realize that marvista had
put up the info on the rivalta test! UC Davis has been doing a lot of
research on the realitiies of FIP, and unfortunately, the same thing is true
with FIP as with FIV and FeLV--ie, those of us who actually deal with the
viruses too often know about advances in research and treatment YEARS before
the veterinary professionals do. sad, sad.





On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:38 PM, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  right right. I forgot this.
 Ask your vet?

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:27 PM
 *Subject:* RE: more bad news

 Lynne, I know how sad and disheartened you are, but please be aware, as
 Kelley says, that all FIP tests are not created equal.  Most of the tests
 only show the *presence* of the coronavirus, which actually is present in
 huge numbers of cats without ever turning into FIP.  It has to mutate to
 become FIP and make them ill, and it usually only happens in cats that are
 genetically predisposed for this mutation.  I'm not saying that BooBoo
 doesn't have FIP, just that unless the specific test Kelley mentions is
 performed, the diagnosis can be inaccurate.  The general wisdom is that FIP
 can only really be accurately diagnosed by necropsy.

 That being said, I'm so sorry you're going through this.  Hugs to both of
 you and BooBoo.  You're doing a great job.

 Diane R.

  --
 *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Lynne
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:05 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: more bad news

  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for
 it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive
 and all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.
 Don't I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I
 have to accept where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and
 comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his
 blood vessels I'm screwed.

 Lynne

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
 *Subject:* Re: more bad news

 Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP
 test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It
 is called Rivalta's test:

 This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be
 very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled
 water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of
 effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop
 retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97%
 accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in
 FIP.
 Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html



 If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive
 for coronavirus titers.



 On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's
  cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There
  was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There
  was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood
  vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and
  at this point it is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain
  his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is
  finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
  fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more
  frequently then we will have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face
  for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we
  can but it isn't looking too good at the moment.  The vet said they had
  another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He
  said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is
  near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies
  but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband
  and I are horribly sad about

RE: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Lynne:
Join [EMAIL PROTECTED] now.  This is most likely what my Brumley died from, if 
you want to go back and read my posts from the archives.  FIP is complicated 
and very very very difficult for, shall I say, run-of-the-mill vets to 
diagnose.  So you need this group's support and expertise now.  Some people on 
this site have had experience with FIP, but the real knowledgeable people are 
on this yahoo group.  I am a member.  One of the current theories is that it 
may actually be vaccination or over vaccination and/or vaccination of an 
already immune compromised cat that causes the corona virus to mutate into FIP 
in an individual cat.  It's an inappropriate immune response.  Some people 
think there's been an influx of recent FIP cases and they are looking into the 
pet food recalls and poisonings of late as a possible contributing 
factor/cause, hence the tie in with the importance of a great diet which the 
FIP group seems to be leading the charge on.
 
I too when thru the same thing of wanting to blame someone with Brumley, 
however, right now there is just not enough known about FIP and there seems to 
be so many inexplicable things and unknown, maybe even not preventable factors 
that could cause it.  There's just so many unknowns.  So all you can really do 
for now is join this yahoo group and I promise, you will immediately gets lots 
of support and answers if you start asking questions right away.
 
caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: more bad newsDate: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 
15:45:05 -0500



Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne
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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Lynne I am so sorry to hear about BooBoo having FIP.Poor boy.I am so glad he 
has the two of you to love him.If I were you I would definitely sue those 
CRIMINALS! And try to get them for the vet bills too.Good luck to you and 
Boo.give him kisses from me.
  Sherry

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has
 been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know 
if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be 
realistic here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad 
about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied 
to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch 
lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  
I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
   
  Lynne


   
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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread dede hicken
Lynne, I am truly so sorry for things being as they
are.  Those who responded to your post are more than
correct.  There is no test for FIP.  (except the one
Kelly talked about...I dunno) Vets use a titre, and
they add up all the clinical symptoms and guess. 
Almost all cats will test + for the corona virus. 
Even if the former owners did really vaccinate, if the
cat had been exposed, it wouldn't have made any
difference.

We believe, but do not KNOW if that is what got our
precious felv baby Ki last year.  His fluid was in the
addoman, and he already had liver damage.

I am told there is a group for FIP.  Anyone know
anything?  You think vets are negative about felv? 
Just ask about FIP.  I honestly don't know the odds
here, but you are doing everything and more for
BooBoo.  He knows he is loved and is grateful for you
both.  God bless you all.

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well just when you think it can't get any worse it
 does.  BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has
 FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no
 bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do
 for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just
 protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are
 leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
 comfortable and at this point it is all about
 quality of life.  He will continue to drain his
 lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
 antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once
 a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
 fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the
 fluid drained more frequently then we will have to
 do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our
 dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with
 us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good
 at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
 this week that tested positive for FIP but not
 leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double
 blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't
 know if the Factor stuff will make it here before
 Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and
 face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly
 sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
 criminals who owned him and lied to me about his
 being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top
 notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
 would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously
 considering consulting with one of them when this
 tragedy is over.
 
 Lynne
 


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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Pat Kachur
I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had leukemia, 
too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the fluid was 
strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  My vet says 
that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine both had, 
results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  My 
kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and I 
had them put down.  

My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no test 
that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal action 
against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any kind 
of animal!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP 
test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is 
called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html


If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive 
for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

  Lynne



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RE: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Lynne: Definitely join the Yahoo FIP Group- link I sent already.  You will 
learn from them the difference btw wet and dry FIP, ways to diagnosis (actual 
testing of fluid (the effusion) is better than just a blood titer test- but 
still not 100%- 100% is still only on necropsy any vet that will tell you 
otherwise is probably not in the know).  Unfortunately, with FIP, altho you 
feel like you are alone on an island, you aren't and you aren't reinventing 
the wheel when it comes to diagnosis and treatment.  Sadly, thousands of 
people have dealt with it before and have experience with your particular 
issues that BooBoo is facing.  Trust me.  It's overwhelming the support and 
insight you will get from this group.  It has a very very active membership.  
 
caroline 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: more bad newsDate: Wed, 27 Feb 
2008 17:13:01 -0500



I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had leukemia, 
too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the fluid was 
strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  My vet says 
that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine both had, 
results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  My 
kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and I 
had them put down.  
 
My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no test 
that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.
 
Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal action 
against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any kind 
of animal!!

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news

I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for it 
along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and all 
the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't I 
wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to accept 
where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and comfortable.  
Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood vessels I'm 
screwed.
 
Lynne

- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news

Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an FIP test 
which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It is called 
Rivalta's test:
 
This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be very 
helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled water 
and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of effusion 
is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop retains its 
shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% accurate in 
ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.
Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html
 
If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test positive for 
coronavirus titers.  
 
On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.
 
Lynne-- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a 
time.http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty 
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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
I just joined Caroline.  Thank you
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:22 PM
  Subject: RE: more bad news


  Lynne: Definitely join the Yahoo FIP Group- link I sent already.  You will 
learn from them the difference btw wet and dry FIP, ways to diagnosis (actual 
testing of fluid (the effusion) is better than just a blood titer test- but 
still not 100%- 100% is still only on necropsy any vet that will tell you 
otherwise is probably not in the know).  Unfortunately, with FIP, altho you 
feel like you are alone on an island, you aren't and you aren't reinventing 
the wheel when it comes to diagnosis and treatment.  Sadly, thousands of 
people have dealt with it before and have experience with your particular 
issues that BooBoo is facing.  Trust me.  It's overwhelming the support and 
insight you will get from this group.  It has a very very active membership.  
   
  caroline 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: more bad news
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:13:01 -0500


I'm so sorry Lynne.  I have had two kitties who died of FIP (one had 
leukemia, too).  The difference in what you describe about BooBoo is that the 
fluid was strictly in their abdomens--not connected with their lungs at all.  
My vet says that there are two types of FIP--dry and wet.  The wet, which mine 
both had, results in so much fluid in the abdomen that the cat looks pregnant.  
My kitties enjoyed their lives until it became obvious they no longer did--and 
I had them put down.  

My vet said at the time that while he was sure they had FIP, there was no 
test that proved it for sure.  Only necropsy.

Enjoy BooBoo as long as you canI do hope you take some type of legal 
action against those horrible people.  They should never be allowed to have any 
kind of animal!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I don't know Kelly.  He sent it off to a lab and specifically tested for 
it along with culturing the fluid.  I have to assume if he tested positive and 
all the symptoms he has are those of an infected animal that he has it.  Don't 
I wish there could have been an error but I'm at the point where I have to 
accept where this is going.  I just want to keep him unstressed and 
comfortable.  Unless there is some miracle drug that can repair all his blood 
vessels I'm screwed.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


Wait, wait.  What test did the vet use to test for FIP?  There *is* an 
FIP test which is fairly accurate, but most vets don't even know about it.  It 
is called Rivalta's test:

This is a test with which few veterinarians are familiar but it can be 
very helpful in the diagnosis of FIP.   A test tube is filled with distilled 
water and one drop of 98% acetic acid is added. To this mixture one drop of 
effusion is added. If the drop dissipates, the test is negative. If the drop 
retains its shape, the test is positive.  A negative Rivalta's test is 97% 
accurate in ruling out FIP. A positive test is 86% accurate in ruling in FIP.

Source:  http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_fip.html
 
If you are talking about a titer test - almost all cats will test 
positive for coronavirus titers.  



 
On 2/27/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's 
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was 
no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My

Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Gloria Lane
I'm so sorry.  BooBoo's lucky to have you, but you must be so very  
awfully sad.. Hope the Transfer Factor makes it soon.


Gloria


On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lynne wrote:

Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's  
cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.   
There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for  
him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres,  
because his blood vessels are leaky.  The vet says all we can do is  
make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of  
life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and  
keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once  
a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he  
becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently  
then we will have to do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for  
our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as  
we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment.  The vet said  
they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but  
not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and  
unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff  
will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic  
here now and face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad  
about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned  
him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated.  We have  
several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and  
would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering  
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.


Lynne




Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
Thank you Gloria.  It's been a bad day, that's all.
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gloria Lane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I'm so sorry.  BooBoo's lucky to have you, but you must be so very awfully 
sad.. Hope the Transfer Factor makes it soon.


  Gloria




  On Feb 27, 2008, at 2:45 PM, Lynne wrote:


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne




Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
Yeah Dede I think he knows we love him.  Bob wrapped him up in his coat and
took him for a walk outside this afternoon.  He said Boo enjoyed it.
Reminds me when my mom was dying and I would wheel her around the
neighborhood at the nursing home.  Geez this stinks.  Then the people at the
pharmacy came over to my office today wanting pictures of BooBoo and Lennie
for a collage the pharmacist is making of their Furry Customers.  I
started to bawl thinking I would see that collage every day after he's gone.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: more bad news


 Lynne, I am truly so sorry for things being as they
 are.  Those who responded to your post are more than
 correct.  There is no test for FIP.  (except the one
 Kelly talked about...I dunno) Vets use a titre, and
 they add up all the clinical symptoms and guess.
 Almost all cats will test + for the corona virus.
 Even if the former owners did really vaccinate, if the
 cat had been exposed, it wouldn't have made any
 difference.

 We believe, but do not KNOW if that is what got our
 precious felv baby Ki last year.  His fluid was in the
 addoman, and he already had liver damage.

 I am told there is a group for FIP.  Anyone know
 anything?  You think vets are negative about felv?
 Just ask about FIP.  I honestly don't know the odds
 here, but you are doing everything and more for
 BooBoo.  He knows he is loved and is grateful for you
 both.  God bless you all.

 Dede



 --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well just when you think it can't get any worse it
  does.  BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has
  FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no
  bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do
  for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just
  protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are
  leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
  comfortable and at this point it is all about
  quality of life.  He will continue to drain his
  lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
  antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once
  a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
  fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the
  fluid drained more frequently then we will have to
  do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our
  dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with
  us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good
  at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
  this week that tested positive for FIP but not
  leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double
  blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't
  know if the Factor stuff will make it here before
  Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and
  face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly
  sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
  criminals who owned him and lied to me about his
  being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top
  notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
  would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously
  considering consulting with one of them when this
  tragedy is over.
 
  Lynne
 


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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
Laurie, I'm sure the other cats were sick or going to be sick but they were 
selling them all and had buyers lined up.  I just hope to god they had the 
decency to tell the new owners of what possibly could be.  But you have to 
understand, these people think I gave this disease to BooBoo.  They were agast 
when I emailed them with the results of the original testing.  They said he had 
always been healthy and happy and that I should get another opinion, which I 
did three times, and that there was something wrong with me to believe the vet.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 4:37 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  I am so sorry. I was afraid it was FIP. My friend did this for her kitty 
(lung drain). He went along for awhile. His littermate never got FIP.
  Pls also check into animal cruelty laws to see if they have violated any of 
those. Wonder if the other cats are sick, too.
  REMEMBER~ there is a reason you came to love BooBoo and a reason he came to 
you. This bond you have from caring for him will make losing him harder but 
thank goodness he's not outside suffering.
  You and Bob are his earth angels,
  Laurie

- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: more bad news


Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does.  BooBoo's cytology 
came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no 
bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him.  There was no 
bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are 
leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it 
is all about quality of life.  He will continue to drain his lungs every week 
to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix 
once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid.  If he becomes 
worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to 
do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything 
we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at 
the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested 
positive for FIP but not leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double 
blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't know if the Factor stuff will 
make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face 
the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting 
angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being 
healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who 
like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously considering 
consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over.

Lynne


Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
BooBoo is tired of me kissing him to pieces Sherry.  Even the vets kiss him on 
the head before we leave.  He's such a little hero.  I'm gonna think of 
something for the previous owners when this is over.  Nothing illegal mind you 
!!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news


  Lynne I am so sorry to hear about BooBoo having FIP.Poor boy.I am so glad he 
has the two of you to love him.If I were you I would definitely sue those 
CRIMINALS! And try to get them for the vet bills too.Good luck to you and 
Boo.give him kisses from me.
  Sherry

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Belinda Sauro


Any vet that tells you this is a quack ... period


he has FIP
FIP can ONLY be diagnosed with an autopsy so Boo will not get treated 
now for what he really has, I hate vets that tell people that.   There 
are many things that mimic FIP, but once the dreaded FIP word is 
mentioned the cat is doomed to die because the vet looks no further.  It 
sounds to me like your vet is tired of trying to figure out how to treat 
Boo and this is his way out ... so sad for Boo ...


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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Lynne
Well if it isn't FIP, what could it possibly be ?  And if it isn't, and there 
is no bacterial infection in the sample sent off is it just another 
complication of feline leukemia? What kind of treatment is there for 
accumulation of fluid on the lungs other than what we're doing now.  The vet 
told me today this is the second case like this he's seen this week.  I 
truthfully don't believe these vets would deliberately withhold any kind of 
treatment if they thought it would work.  They know that we are prepared to try 
just about anything that would possibly be helpful to him.  I don't plan to 
give up on the little guy and am still reading up on other treatments but 
everything I have read so far says these animals are doomed.  I have yet to 
come across any medical information that says they can live a long and healthy 
life.  I'm not giving up on the Interferon or Prednisolone.  I also can't be 
putting this poor animal through weekly lung aspirations forever.  I can see 
complications arising from that as well.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda Sauro 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:42 PM
  Subject: Re: more bad news



  Any vet that tells you this is a quack ... period


he has FIP
  FIP can ONLY be diagnosed with an autopsy so Boo will not get treated now for 
what he really has, I hate vets that tell people that.   There are many things 
that mimic FIP, but once the dreaded FIP word is mentioned the cat is doomed to 
die because the vet looks no further.  It sounds to me like your vet is tired 
of trying to figure out how to treat Boo and this is his way out ... so sad for 
Boo ...

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Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Lynne,
  What is his lasix dose?  Have you asked about being on spiro, darn I 
can't think of the name but it is used with lasix if lasix isn't doing 
the trick.  I belong to a feline heart group and many cats are on it 
with lasix, it worked when lasix alone didn't.  Is the fluid in his 
lungs or outside his lungs?  I'm asking questions on the vet list I'm on 
maybe they'll see something here everyone is missing.


What exactly does your vet mean by his blood vessels are leaking, I seem 
to remember my vet mentioning something like this when Bailey was anemic 
that this was possible, I don't remember what she called it.


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