Re: spaying

2008-06-30 Thread catatonya
Lynne,
   
  I know it's scary because of what's happened.  I would still go ahead and 
spay though.
  t

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some honest 
advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear.
   
  I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all 
lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with 
Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) 
and that stress contributed to his very quick demise.  My other cats have 
always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.)  Now we have 
Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline 
herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 
months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection 
treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart.  
What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at 
one point and they all died.  I have read that it can be complicated to spay a 
cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  
I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I
 would absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about the 
stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and loving little 
girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being 
brushed, necessary things for a persian.  When we got her about two weeks later 
we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the 
emergency vet to have it surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had 
to be put under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty 
because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone 
into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.  She's 
an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and 
nature.  Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard 
with them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get out 
of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an
 agile male to find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised 
diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside 
or in the screened patio.  
   
  I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any 
thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.
   
  Many thanks
  Lynne
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Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!

2008-06-24 Thread Marylyn
Good idea.  You would not forgive yourself if something happened and  
you didn't.  If you have a holistic/alternative vet in the area you  
might consult them.  If not, and if you would like, I have the website  
of one who will do telelphone consults.  Carolyn has used her too.
On Jun 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Thank you so much Gloria.  I am going to print the article below and  
 take it
 to our vet.  I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our  
 vet
 before having the spay.  I realize the importance of having the  
 surgery.
 I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for  
 not
 getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the
 slightest chance of something happening to her.  She is healthy, or  
 so she
 was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her
 examined first by our vet.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM
 Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!


 Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING
 PERSIANS!  Small airways, more risk of death.
 As I understand this is a Persian!

 Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've
 spayed Persians before, know what they're doing,
 will intubate, etc.  Don't let just any vet spay a Persian.  I lost a
 kitty this way.  See the article below.

 Gloria

 --
 -



 On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

 Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem  
 with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate  
 cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but  
 what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because  
 they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we  
 got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a  
 half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months  
 in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory

Re: spaying

2008-06-24 Thread Gloria Lane
Sounds good - better safe than sorry.

Gloria


On Jun 23, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra  
 precautions are
 taken with cats like Persians.  The anesthetic used is Isoflorine  
 and she
 will be intubated.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM
 Subject: Re: spaying


 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate  
 cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
 around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
 outside with us and Lenny for fresh

Re: spaying

2008-06-23 Thread Sharyl
I understand your concern.  With my sweet Albert, CRF, CHF, HCM, I had the vet 
follow this protocol when he had to have dental surgery.
http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_problems
It is a good protocol to use for any surgery but especially for a kitty at 
risk.  
Sharyl Sissy and Rocket

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: spaying
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 7:13 PM

Lynne,  I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone
through.  Kelley is right about all she says.

I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done
successfully.  If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. 
You should really be OK.  Most of the cats we did today had had litters before.

Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns  It
should make you feel better.

Best you you all,
Dede



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service of your God
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--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: spaying
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM
 Hi Lynne,
 
 I would check the contract you have with the agency from
 which you adopted
 her.  It is likely the adoption is conditional on you
 getting her spayed -
 this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw.
 
 Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which
 the vet should
 have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to
 be altered.  It
 reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of
 cancer, it eliminates
 the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc.
 
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I
 need some honest
  advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to
 hear but what I must hear.
 
  I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be
 exact because they all
  lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the
 tragedy associated with
  Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5)
  and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. 
 My other cats have
  always been neutered before we got them (from the
 humane society.)  Now we
  have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who
 was very ill with
  feline herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one
 eye and apparently it
  took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and
 respiratory tract
  infection treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the
 vet says she has a
  strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was
 that she did have a
  litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I
 have read that it can
  be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and
 that is why it is
  best to do it at a young age.  I have her scheduled to
 go in this Tuesday
  and I'm petrified.  I would absolutely die if
 something were to happen to
  her.  I worry about the stress and her history of
 Herpes virus.  She's such
  a happy and loving little girl but becomes very
 aggitated over having her
  eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things
 for a persian.  When
  we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had
 a very horrible
  ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have
 it surgically
  removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so
  hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty
 because I guess she put
  a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone
 into heat during the
  time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.
  She's an indoor cat but
  is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
 air and nature.
  Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one
 of us in the yard with
  them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for
 either one go get out
  of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile
 male to find his way
  in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised
 diligently and only let out
  for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside or
 in the screened
  patio.
 
  I know ultimately this is my decision but I would
 truly appreciate any
  thoughts you wonderful people might have on the
 subject.
 
  Many thanks
  Lynne
 
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Re: spaying

2008-06-23 Thread Lynne
Kelley, spaying is part of the contract.  That is why I would speak with the 
foster mom first if I had any misgivings about doing it.  This agency doesn't 
give the cats up for adoption without neutering but an exception was made here 
because supposedly I'm a responsible enough person to carry through with the 
procedure.  That and the fact that I bugged the hell out of them for her.  

I've decided that I am going to cancel the surgery for tomorrow and instead set 
up an appointment for Snowy to meet this vet and have a complete physical 
including blood work etc.  I do worry about her breathing.  When she plays for 
a long time she pants, tongue hanging out just like a dog.  Her nose is so tiny 
you can hardly find it.  I will ask about intubating her.  She hasn't had any 
herpes outbreak since we've had her.  She eats well, plays hard and loves life. 
 She hasn't met our regular vet.  She had the emergency surgery on her paw 
through an after hours clinic.  I think our regular vet who cared for BooBoo 
would not take any kind of risk with her knowing what we and he went through 
trying to save Boo.  Still I'm scared.  If this is to be done, I would like it 
done within the next week as I'm on vacation and would want to be here with her 
during her recovery.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: spaying


  Hi Lynne,

  I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted 
her.  It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this 
is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw.

  Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should 
have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered.  It 
reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the 
chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc.




  On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some honest 
advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear.

I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all 
lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with 
Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) 
and that stress contributed to his very quick demise.  My other cats have 
always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.)  Now we have 
Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline 
herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 
months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection 
treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart.  
What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at 
one point and they all died.  I have read that it can be complicated to spay a 
cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  
I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would 
absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about the stress 
and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and loving little girl but 
becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, 
necessary things for a persian.  When we got her about two weeks later we 
discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency 
vet to have it surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put 
under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I 
guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat 
during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.  She's an indoor 
cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  
Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with 
them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get out of 
the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in.  
Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a 
short time.  90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio.  

I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any 
thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.

Many thanks
Lynne

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Re: spaying

2008-06-23 Thread Lynne
Thank you Dede.  I'm gonna do just that, talk to the vet about everything.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: spaying


 Lynne,  I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone
through.  Kelley is right about all she says.

 I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done
successfully.  If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is
monitored.  You should really be OK.  Most of the cats we did today had had
litters before.

 Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns
It should make you feel better.

 Best you you all,
 Dede



 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the
service of your God
Mosiah 2:17


 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: spaying
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM
  Hi Lynne,
 
  I would check the contract you have with the agency from
  which you adopted
  her.  It is likely the adoption is conditional on you
  getting her spayed -
  this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw.
 
  Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which
  the vet should
  have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to
  be altered.  It
  reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of
  cancer, it eliminates
  the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc.
 
 
 
  On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I
  need some honest
   advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to
  hear but what I must hear.
  
   I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be
  exact because they all
   lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the
  tragedy associated with
   Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
  have neutered him (age 5)
   and that stress contributed to his very quick demise.
  My other cats have
   always been neutered before we got them (from the
  humane society.)  Now we
   have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who
  was very ill with
   feline herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one
  eye and apparently it
   took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and
  respiratory tract
   infection treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the
  vet says she has a
   strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was
  that she did have a
   litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I
  have read that it can
   be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and
  that is why it is
   best to do it at a young age.  I have her scheduled to
  go in this Tuesday
   and I'm petrified.  I would absolutely die if
  something were to happen to
   her.  I worry about the stress and her history of
  Herpes virus.  She's such
   a happy and loving little girl but becomes very
  aggitated over having her
   eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things
  for a persian.  When
   we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had
  a very horrible
   ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have
  it surgically
   removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
  under she was so
   hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty
  because I guess she put
   a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone
  into heat during the
   time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.
   She's an indoor cat but
   is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
  air and nature.
   Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one
  of us in the yard with
   them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for
  either one go get out
   of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile
  male to find his way
   in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised
  diligently and only let out
   for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside or
  in the screened
   patio.
  
   I know ultimately this is my decision but I would
  truly appreciate any
   thoughts you wonderful people might have on the
  subject.
  
   Many thanks
   Lynne
  
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  Check out our Memsaic!
  http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9
 
  http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
  Please help with some of our kitties medical needs!
 
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Re: spaying

2008-06-23 Thread Lynne
Gloria, I spoke with my vet today and was assured that extra precautions are
taken with cats like Persians.  The anesthetic used is Isoflorine and she
will be intubated.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: spaying


 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

   Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

  Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
  honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
  I must hear.
 
  I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
  all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
  associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
  have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
  quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
  them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
  year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
  caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
  foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
  treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
  strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
  have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
  read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
  and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
  scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
  absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
  the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
  loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
  cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
  When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
  horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
  surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
  under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
  kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
  has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
  around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
  outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is
  ever let outside without at least one

Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!

2008-06-23 Thread Lynne
Thank you so much Gloria.  I am going to print the article below and take it
to our vet.  I've decided to have her checked out thoroughly by our vet
before having the spay.  I realize the importance of having the surgery.
I'm a huge advocate of sterilizing and feel a bit of a hipocrit for not
getting this done, but I also will not risk her life if there is the
slightest chance of something happening to her.  She is healthy, or so she
was given a clean bill of health when we got her, but still I want her
examined first by our vet.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!


 Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING
 PERSIANS!  Small airways, more risk of death.
 As I understand this is a Persian!

 Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've
 spayed Persians before, know what they're doing,
 will intubate, etc.  Don't let just any vet spay a Persian.  I lost a
 kitty this way.  See the article below.

 Gloria

 --
-



 On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

  Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
  spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
  Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
  might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
  good shape before any surgery.
 
  And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
  Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
  which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
  facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.
 
  I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
  kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
  cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
  and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
  using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
  the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
  they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
  don't know that.   I've had that happen.
 
   Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
  anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
  Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:
 
  ==
  http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
  Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
  possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
  due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
  undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
  sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
  by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
  If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
  sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
  supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
  Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
  (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats
  to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
  use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
  intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
  can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
  pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
  dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.
 
  ==
 
  Hope this is helpful.
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
 
  On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:
 
  Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
  honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
  I must hear.
 
  I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
  all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
  associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
  have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
  quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
  them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
  year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
  caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
  foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
  treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
  strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
  have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
  read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
  and that is why

Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Marylyn
If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do  
it.  There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress.  I am not  
saying spay or not, but check this out.

On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some  
honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what  
I must hear.


I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they  
all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy  
associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't  
have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very  
quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got  
them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half  
year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It  
caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a  
foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection  
treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a  
strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did  
have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have  
read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter  
and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her  
scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would  
absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about  
the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and  
loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes  
cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.   
When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very  
horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it  
surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put  
under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad  
kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she  
has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is  
around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go  
outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is  
ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them  
and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get  
out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to  
find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised  
diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they  
are inside or in the screened patio.


I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate  
any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.


Many thanks
Lynne
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RE: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Sue Frank Koren
Good for Snowy! Putting a job on him when he called her a bad kitty.  

Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual
circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed.  They end up with
so much less stress when they are altered.

Sue

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: spaying

 

If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it.
There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress.  I am not saying spay
or not, but check this out.  

On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:





Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some honest advice
here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear.

 

I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all
lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with
Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5)
and that stress contributed to his very quick demise.  My other cats have
always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.)  Now we
have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with
feline herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it
took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract
infection treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did have a
litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have read that it can
be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is
best to do it at a young age.  I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday
and I'm petrified.  I would absolutely die if something were to happen to
her.  I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such
a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her
eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.  When
we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible
ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically
removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put under she was so
hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put
a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the
time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but
is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.
Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with
them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get out
of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way
in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out
for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio.


 

I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any
thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.

 

Many thanks

Lynne

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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Marylyn
One caution:  consider refusing all vaccinations and other stressors  
near the time she is spayed.  Having everything done at once is  
convenient for us and for the cat but, if there are problems, can  
overwhelm the little one.  If you have a homeopathic vet around you  
might consider seeing what could reduce the shock of surgery too.

On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Sue  Frank Koren wrote:


Good for Snowy! “Putting a job on him” when he called her a bad kitty.
Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very  
unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed.   
They end up with so much less stress when they are altered.

Sue

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
] On Behalf Of Marylyn

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: spaying

If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do  
it.  There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress.  I am  
not saying spay or not, but check this out.

On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:


Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some  
honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what  
I must hear.


I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they  
all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy  
associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't  
have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very  
quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got  
them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half  
year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It  
caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a  
foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection  
treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a  
strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did  
have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have  
read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter  
and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her  
scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would  
absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about  
the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and  
loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes  
cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.   
When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very  
horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it  
surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put  
under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad  
kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she  
has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is  
around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go  
outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is  
ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them  
and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get  
out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to  
find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised  
diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the time they  
are inside or in the screened patio.


I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate  
any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.


Many thanks
Lynne
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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Gloria Lane
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the  
spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the  
Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you  
might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in  
good shape before any surgery.

And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has  
Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes  
which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat  
facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had  
kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian  
cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,  
and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just  
using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,  
the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if  
they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs  
don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to  
anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to  
Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

==
http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is  
possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be  
due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats  
undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially  
sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced  
by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more  
sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is  
supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with  
Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia  
(included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats  
to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to  
use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,  
intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets  
can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed  
pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing  
dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

==

Hope this is helpful.

Gloria




On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some  
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what  
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they  
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy  
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't  
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very  
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got  
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half  
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It  
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a  
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection  
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a  
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did  
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have  
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter  
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her  
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would  
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about  
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and  
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes  
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.   
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very  
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it  
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put  
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad  
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she  
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is  
 around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go  
 outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is  
 ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them  
 and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get  
 out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to  
 find his way in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised  
 diligently and only let out for a short time.  90% of the 

Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Marylyn
One more thought:  consider starting her on colostrum and leaving her  
on it for a good period after her recovery.  It has wonderful  
abilities to aid in repair and recovery.
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
 around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go
 outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.  Neither cat is
 ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them
 and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get
 out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible 

Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread Kelley Saveika
Hi Lynne,

I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted
her.  It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed -
this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw.

Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should
have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered.  It
reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates
the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc.



On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some honest
 advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all
 lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with
 Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5)
 and that stress contributed to his very quick demise.  My other cats have
 always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.)  Now we
 have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with
 feline herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it
 took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract
 infection treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did have a
 litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have read that it can
 be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is
 best to do it at a young age.  I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday
 and I'm petrified.  I would absolutely die if something were to happen to
 her.  I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such
 a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her
 eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.  When
 we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible
 ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically
 removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put under she was so
 hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put
 a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the
 time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.  She's an indoor cat but
 is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature.
 Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with
 them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for either one go get out
 of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way
 in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out
 for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside or in the screened
 patio.

 I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any
 thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject.

 Many thanks
 Lynne

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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread dede hicken
Lynne,  I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone 
through.  Kelley is right about all she says.

I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done 
successfully.  If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored.  
You should really be OK.  Most of the cats we did today had had litters before.

Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns  It 
should make you feel better.

Best you you all,
Dede



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--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: spaying
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM
 Hi Lynne,
 
 I would check the contract you have with the agency from
 which you adopted
 her.  It is likely the adoption is conditional on you
 getting her spayed -
 this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw.
 
 Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which
 the vet should
 have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to
 be altered.  It
 reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of
 cancer, it eliminates
 the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc.
 
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I
 need some honest
  advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to
 hear but what I must hear.
 
  I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be
 exact because they all
  lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the
 tragedy associated with
  Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5)
  and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. 
 My other cats have
  always been neutered before we got them (from the
 humane society.)  Now we
  have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who
 was very ill with
  feline herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one
 eye and apparently it
  took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and
 respiratory tract
  infection treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the
 vet says she has a
  strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was
 that she did have a
  litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I
 have read that it can
  be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and
 that is why it is
  best to do it at a young age.  I have her scheduled to
 go in this Tuesday
  and I'm petrified.  I would absolutely die if
 something were to happen to
  her.  I worry about the stress and her history of
 Herpes virus.  She's such
  a happy and loving little girl but becomes very
 aggitated over having her
  eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things
 for a persian.  When
  we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had
 a very horrible
  ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have
 it surgically
  removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so
  hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty
 because I guess she put
  a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone
 into heat during the
  time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.
  She's an indoor cat but
  is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
 air and nature.
  Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one
 of us in the yard with
  them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for
 either one go get out
  of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile
 male to find his way
  in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised
 diligently and only let out
  for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside or
 in the screened
  patio.
 
  I know ultimately this is my decision but I would
 truly appreciate any
  thoughts you wonderful people might have on the
 subject.
 
  Many thanks
  Lynne
 
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Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!

2008-06-22 Thread Gloria Lane
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING  
PERSIANS!  Small airways, more risk of death.
As I understand this is a Persian!

Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've  
spayed Persians before, know what they're doing,
will intubate, etc.  Don't let just any vet spay a Persian.  I lost a  
kitty this way.  See the article below.

Gloria

---



On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote:

 Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now?  If so, wait on the
 spay because of that.  Many cats have been exposed to and carry the
 Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you
 might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in
 good shape before any surgery.

 And if she's Persian, I'd wait.  If Persian, she probably also has
 Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes
 which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat
 facial area.  I've just gotten real cautious about Persians.

 I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow.  Cats that have had
 kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern.  BUT Persian
 cats require special attention re surgery.  They have small airways,
 and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just
 using anesthesia alone.  When they're out or groggy from anesthesia,
 the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if
 they're not watched  carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs
 don't know that.   I've had that happen.

  Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to
 anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to
 Persian issues.  One link is here, with a quote:

 ==
 http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html
 Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is
 possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be
 due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats
 undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially
 sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced
 by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats.
 If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more
 sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is
 supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with
 Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia
 (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats
 to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to
 use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs,
 intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets
 can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed
 pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing
 dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though.

 ==

 Hope this is helpful.

 Gloria




 On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote:

 Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I need some
 honest advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what
 I must hear.

 I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they
 all lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy
 associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very
 quick demise.  My other cats have always been neutered before we got
 them (from the humane society.)  Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half
 year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus.  It
 caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a
 foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection
 treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a
 strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was that she did
 have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I have
 read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter
 and that is why it is best to do it at a young age.  I have her
 scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified.  I would
 absolutely die if something were to happen to her.  I worry about
 the stress and her history of Herpes virus.  She's such a happy and
 loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes
 cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian.
 When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very
 horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it
 surgically removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad
 kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she
 has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is
 around 4 months now.  

Re: spaying

2008-06-01 Thread Jane Lyons
hi guys
this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list.
Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did,  
but that
was a long time ago.
I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected.

If anyone can help, I would appreciate it.




On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote:

 Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery  
 to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is  
 asthmatic. I requested oxygen.
 L
 - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM
 Subject: Re: spaying


 Thanks Dede,

 I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I  
 was still
 worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in  
 breathing
 while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be
 carefully monitored during the procedure.  After all she has been  
 through in
 her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to  
 anything
 that involves pain.  She's just so happy now.  And I'm still kind  
 of in
 disbelief about what happened with BooBoo.  I just don't take  
 anything for
 granted anymore when it comes to my pets.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: spaying


 Lynne,

 I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go  
 to a
 capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring,  
 she'll be
 fine.  I have seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited  
 almost a year
 to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and  
 asthma.  I was a
 basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they  
 used a
 kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery.  She is now  
 10 yrs
 old...fat and very content.

 Good luck and God bless.
 Dede




 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only  
 in the
 service of your God
Mosiah 2:17


 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: spaying
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,
 
  I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
  the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
  some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
  Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
  signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
  the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
  year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
   We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
  a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
  about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
  basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
  feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
  taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
  her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
  neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
  hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
  even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
  spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
  she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
  we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
  girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
  long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
  every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
  time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
  happy.
 
  The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
  owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
  doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
  lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.
  She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
  animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
  which was very nice of him.
 
  Lynne



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RE: spaying

2008-06-01 Thread Laurieskatz
I get messages on a very on and off basis,too. ??

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: spaying

hi guys
this seems to be the last post I have rec'd from the list.
Is something wrong? At one point I was asked to sign in, which I did,  
but that
was a long time ago.
I hope everyone is ok ...it feels so strange not being connected.

If anyone can help, I would appreciate it.




On Apr 25, 2008, at 9:45 PM, laurieskatz wrote:

 Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery  
 to remove some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is  
 asthmatic. I requested oxygen.
 L
 - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM
 Subject: Re: spaying


 Thanks Dede,

 I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I  
 was still
 worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in  
 breathing
 while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be
 carefully monitored during the procedure.  After all she has been  
 through in
 her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to  
 anything
 that involves pain.  She's just so happy now.  And I'm still kind  
 of in
 disbelief about what happened with BooBoo.  I just don't take  
 anything for
 granted anymore when it comes to my pets.

 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM
 Subject: Re: spaying


 Lynne,

 I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go  
 to a
 capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring,  
 she'll be
 fine.  I have seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited  
 almost a year
 to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and  
 asthma.  I was a
 basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they  
 used a
 kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery.  She is now  
 10 yrs
 old...fat and very content.

 Good luck and God bless.
 Dede




 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only  
 in the
 service of your God
Mosiah 2:17


 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: spaying
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,
 
  I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
  the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
  some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
  Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
  signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
  the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
  year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
   We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
  a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
  about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
  basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
  feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
  taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
  her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
  neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
  hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
  even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
  spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
  she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
  we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
  girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
  long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
  every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
  time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
  happy.
 
  The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
  owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
  doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
  lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.
  She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
  animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
  which was very nice of him.
 
  Lynne



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Re: spaying

2008-04-26 Thread Lynne
I will mention that to him when I take her in, but for some reason I believe
the technician told me they would be doing that.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: spaying


 Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to
remove
 some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested
 oxygen.
 L
 - Original Message -
 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM
 Subject: Re: spaying


  Thanks Dede,
 
  I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was
still
  worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in
breathing
  while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be
  carefully monitored during the procedure.  After all she has been
through
  in
  her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to
anything
  that involves pain.  She's just so happy now.  And I'm still kind of in
  disbelief about what happened with BooBoo.  I just don't take anything
for
  granted anymore when it comes to my pets.
 
  Lynne
  - Original Message -
  From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM
  Subject: Re: spaying
 
 
  Lynne,
 
  I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go to a
  capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be
  fine.  I have seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited almost a
  year
  to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma.  I
was
  a
  basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a
  kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery.  She is now 10 yrs
  old...fat and very content.
 
  Good luck and God bless.
  Dede
 
 
 
 
  When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the
  service of your God
 Mosiah 2:17
 
 
  --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: spaying
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
   Hi all,
  
   I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
   the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
   some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
   Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
   signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
   the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
   year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
   a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
   about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
   basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
   feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
   taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
   her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
   neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
   hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
   even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
   spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
   she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
   we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
   girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
   long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
   every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
   time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
   happy.
  
   The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
   owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
   doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
   lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.
   She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
   animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
   which was very nice of him.
  
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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread Sharyl
Lynne,
  I know it is scary.  My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with 
flying colors.  You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use.  My vet 
used isoflurane.  Sevoflurane  also puts less strain on the cat.  Be sure to 
tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med.  Not the injection or 
oral liquid.  Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for 
use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties.  Buprenorphine 
(Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect.
   
  There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying 
her.  The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been 
spayed.   
   
  We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her.
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
  
Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all,
   
  I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess 
this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thursday 
we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed 
when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after 
BooBoo died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing 
this.  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that 
we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected 
in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had 
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered 
nicely and was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had 
not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it 
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have 
always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little
 more complicated.  The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I 
don't think we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little girl.  We 
haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful 
and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all 
the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy.
   
  The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week 
to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented 
that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  She's kind 
of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she was very 
lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.
   
  Lynne


   
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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread Lynne
Kelley, this rescue does the same thing, neuters or spays before the animals 
are released BUT I so bugged these people about Snowy and practically begged 
for her, the foster mom and the vet let us have her with the agreement we would 
bring her in for spaying in April.  Dumb me, should have waited the extra 
couple of weeks and I wouldn't be worrying about this now.  I did call the vet 
the other day and asked if there was any additional risk with her being a 
persian and basically having no nose and they assured me there wasn't.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:50 AM
  Subject: Re: spaying


  Hi Lynne,

  I know it is scary - I used to be scared to death every time I did 
it...that's why our rescue does it for people so they come already spayed:)  
But really it is a very safe procedure..try not to worry TOO much..easier said 
than done I know!


  On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess 
this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thursday 
we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed 
when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after 
BooBoo died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing 
this.  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that 
we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected 
in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had 
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered 
nicely and was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had 
not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it 
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have 
always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated.  
The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever 
recover.  She is an amazing precious little girl.  We haven't had a younger cat 
in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me 
every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the time in these little 
meows and you can tell she is really happy.

The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last 
week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He 
commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  
She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she 
was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.

Lynne



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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread Lynne
Thank you Sharyl.  I've written this down and will definitely ask him when I 
see him about pain meds and the anesthesia.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharyl 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:43 AM
  Subject: Re: spaying


  Lynne,
  I know it is scary.  My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with 
flying colors.  You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use.  My vet 
used isoflurane.  Sevoflurane  also puts less strain on the cat.  Be sure to 
tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med.  Not the injection or 
oral liquid.  Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for 
use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in som e kitties.  
Buprenorphine (Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect.

  There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying 
her.  The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been 
spayed.   

  We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her.
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess 
this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thur sday 
we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed 
when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after 
BooBoo died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing 
this.  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that 
we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected 
in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had 
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered 
nicely and was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had 
not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it 
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have 
always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated.  
The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever 
re cover.  She is an amazing precious little girl.  We haven't had a younger 
cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me 
every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the time in these little 
meows and you can tell she is really happy.

The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last 
week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He 
commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  
She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she 
was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.

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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread Sue Koren
Hi, Lynn,
Anyone who knows from this list all that you did for BooBoo also knows that 
Snowy is a lucky kitty to have you.  I'm so glad to hear things are going well 
for her and you.  Is she ending up being your cat?
Best wishes for her next Thursday.  So many cats get spayed all the time with 
no problems.  I'm sure she will come through with flying colors.
Sue
 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=
Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess this 
is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are 
taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed when we 
adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo 
died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.  
We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait 
til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected in the 
past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had feline 
herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and 
was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had 
BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it hastened his 
demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our 
cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured 
us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover.  She 
is an amazing precious little girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house 
for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when 
I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can 
tell she is really happy.

The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to 
meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented 
that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  She's kind 
of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she was very 
lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.

Lynne




Re: spaying ~ bllood work, lysine and meditation

2008-04-25 Thread laurieskatz
Lynne, I understand. 

I always insist on blood work up as that will tell you if everything is normal, 
no matter what the age of the cat. Some vets only want to do this on older cats.

I would give her L-lysine twice a day, 500 mg each time until she goes in and 
for a few days after she gets home (late notice I realize) ~ this is for the 
herpes. Winston's acts up when he is stressed and he gets stressed going to the 
vet. I crush a 500mg pill and mix in with canned food.

I recommend,if you are so inclined, you turn this over to your higher power, 
the universe, etc and RELEASE any negative energy you are carrying about this. 
You don't want Snowy to pick up on your fears. I find I bring to myself those 
things I fear...Frankie is having a biopsy tomorrow so I am in the midst of 
this process, too. I practice breathing when I go to that place of fear... I 
take a breath in and think or say in with peace and breathe out and think or 
say out with negativity). The serenity prayer is another way I calm myself.

Our best to you and Snowy.
Headbutts,
Laurie and Frankie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:47 PM
  Subject: spaying


  Hi all,

  I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess 
this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thursday 
we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed 
when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after 
BooBoo died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing 
this.  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that 
we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected 
in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had 
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered 
nicely and was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had 
not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it 
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have 
always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated.  
The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever 
recover.  She is an amazing precious little girl.  We haven't had a younger cat 
in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me 
every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the time in these little 
meows and you can tell she is really happy.

  The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week 
to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented 
that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  She's kind 
of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she was very 
lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.

  Lynne

Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread laurieskatz
They are going to use Buprenex for Frankie. I won't use metacam on my cats. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharyl 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:43 AM
  Subject: Re: spaying


  Lynne,
  I know it is scary.  My Rocket was just spayed Tuesday and came thru with 
flying colors.  You can ask the vet what type of anesthesia they use.  My vet 
used isoflurane.  Sevoflurane  also puts less strain on the cat.  Be sure to 
tell the vet you do not want Metacam given as a pain med.  Not the injection or 
oral liquid.  Even though a single Metacam injection is approved by the FDA for 
use in cats it has caused chronic renal failure in some kitties.  Buprenorphine 
(Buprenex) has been used for kitties with no adverse affect.

  There is always a risk with anesthesia but there are also risks not spaying 
her.  The incidence of mammary cancer is higher in kitties that have not been 
spayed.   

  We'll keep our fingers and toes crossed for her.
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess 
this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thursday 
we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed 
when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after 
BooBoo died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing 
this.  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that 
we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected 
in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had 
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered 
nicely and was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had 
not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it 
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have 
always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated.  
The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever 
recover.  She is an amazing precious little girl.  We haven't had a younger cat 
in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me 
every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the time in these little 
meows and you can tell she is really happy.

The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last 
week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He 
commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  
She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she 
was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.

Lynne




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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread dede hicken
Lynne,

I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go to a capable 
vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine.  I have 
seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited almost a year to do our Dusty 
because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma.  I was a basket case, but my 
wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to 
intubate her during the surgery.  She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content.

Good luck and God bless.
Dede




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of your God
   Mosiah 2:17


--- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: spaying
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
 Hi all,
 
 I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
 the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
 some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
 Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
 signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
 the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
 a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
 about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
 basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
 feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
 taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
 her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
 neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
 hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
 even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
 spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
 she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
 we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
 girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
 long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
 every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
 time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
 happy.
 
 The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
 owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
 doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
 lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. 
 She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
 animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
 which was very nice of him.
 
 Lynne


  

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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread Lynne
Thanks Dede,

I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still
worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing
while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be
carefully monitored during the procedure.  After all she has been through in
her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything
that involves pain.  She's just so happy now.  And I'm still kind of in
disbelief about what happened with BooBoo.  I just don't take anything for
granted anymore when it comes to my pets.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: spaying


 Lynne,

 I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go to a
capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be
fine.  I have seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited almost a year
to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma.  I was a
basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a
kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery.  She is now 10 yrs
old...fat and very content.

 Good luck and God bless.
 Dede




 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the
service of your God
Mosiah 2:17


 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: spaying
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,
 
  I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
  the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
  some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
  Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
  signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
  the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
  year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
   We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
  a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
  about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
  basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
  feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
  taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
  her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
  neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
  hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
  even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
  spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
  she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
  we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
  girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
  long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
  every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
  time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
  happy.
 
  The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
  owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
  doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
  lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.
  She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
  animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
  which was very nice of him.
 
  Lynne





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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread laurieskatz
Lynne, maybe you can request oxygen? My Frankie is having surgery to remove 
some lumps and have them biopsied tomorrow. He is asthmatic. I requested 
oxygen.

L
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: spaying



Thanks Dede,

I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was still
worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in breathing
while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be
carefully monitored during the procedure.  After all she has been through 
in

her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to anything
that involves pain.  She's just so happy now.  And I'm still kind of in
disbelief about what happened with BooBoo.  I just don't take anything for
granted anymore when it comes to my pets.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: spaying



Lynne,

I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go to a

capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be
fine.  I have seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited almost a 
year
to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma.  I was 
a

basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a
kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery.  She is now 10 yrs
old...fat and very content.


Good luck and God bless.
Dede




When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the

service of your God

   Mosiah 2:17


--- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: spaying
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
 Hi all,

 I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
 the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
 some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
 Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
 signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
 the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
 a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
 about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
 basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
 feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
 taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
 her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
 neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
 hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
 even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
 spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
 she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
 we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
 girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
 long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
 every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
 time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
 happy.

 The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
 owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
 doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
 lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.
 She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
 animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
 which was very nice of him.

 Lynne







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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread Marylyn
You should worry.  Not because anything is going to go wrong but  
because that is what a person does when they care about a being.  I  
have a young feral at the vets' now.   I have called and checked on  
her more times than I would care to count.  When it is one of my own I  
pretty well camp out at the vets'.  Luckily, when it is one of my own,  
I take her to vets I have dealt with for years and they know I am nuts  
and humor me.  Unfortunately, the trip is much too long for ferals.   
They would totally stress out.  All you can do is get them the best  
care you can.  You are doing that.  She will be home and you will be  
cuddling her soon.



Worrying is just part of loving.  Don't be upset with yourself for  
loving.

On Apr 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Lynne wrote:


Thanks Dede,

I realize I'm concerned about a procedure that is routine but I was  
still
worried about her little pushed in nose and having difficulty in  
breathing

while under but the technician I spoke to told me that she would be
carefully monitored during the procedure.  After all she has been  
through in
her short 3 years I just feel bad about having to subject her to  
anything
that involves pain.  She's just so happy now.  And I'm still kind of  
in
disbelief about what happened with BooBoo.  I just don't take  
anything for

granted anymore when it comes to my pets.

Lynne
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: spaying



Lynne,

I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go to a
capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring,  
she'll be
fine.  I have seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited almost  
a year
to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma.   
I was a

basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a
kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery.  She is now 10  
yrs

old...fat and very content.


Good luck and God bless.
Dede




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the

service of your God

  Mosiah 2:17


--- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: spaying
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
happy.

The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.
She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
which was very nice of him.

Lynne








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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-04-08 Thread catatonya
I would spay.  I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem and 
would persuade you not to spay.  Spaying dramatically increases your cat's risk 
of cancer.  The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat.  I 
have had both my positive cats spayed.
   
  tonya

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the 
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten
  

My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for 
feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel 
very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the 
right thing for Foxy.

  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-04-08 Thread catatonya
Many members keep their positive cats on interferon.
  tonya

Kathy Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring 
her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. 
I believe they said they would do  blood work at that time. After she tested 
positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on 
interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Well, I guess you have to trust your 
vet.  I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. 
 I must confess I am very nervous about having it done.  She will never be an 
outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my 
adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed.  Why is your little one on 
interferon?  Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok?  
There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose 
bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed.  So I don't know what 
the best thing to do is.  I never had a cat that was terminally ill before 
until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was 
neutered.  I'm just a little paranoid these days.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
  

She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet 
said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not spayed have 
more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to 
stress her out some and she eats less during that time

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  STYLE   Kathy, personally, unless she 
has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I 
would not do it.  I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a 
cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I 
would never have had my positive male neutered.  Although he was pretty far 
advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many 
additional problems that hastened his death.  As we know, spaying is a much 
bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to be an indoor cat only and 
you are willing to go through heats I would not do it.  Just my take on things. 
 I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the 
moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am not even going to think about 
spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be in excellent health, stress 
free etc before I'll even consider it.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten
  

My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for 
feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I 
feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do 
the right thing for Foxy.

  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-04-08 Thread Sharyl
I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases the risk of cancer.  I'm 
about to have my 2 FeLV+ females spayed per the vets recommendation.  One has 
already gone into heat.  Her appetite was affected  and she seemed pretty 
stressed out.  There is a risk to any surgery.  You just have to make the best 
decision you can with your vet's help.
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket

catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would spay.  I think your vet would tell you if there were any problem 
and would persuade you not to spay.  Spaying dramatically increases your cat's 
risk of cancer.  The stress of going into heat is also bad for a positive cat.  
I have had both my positive cats spayed.
   
  tonya

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the 
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten
  

My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for 
feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel 
very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the 
right thing for Foxy.

  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-04-08 Thread janine paton
Hopefully I'm not repeating something here, but we've
had 2 young females (both approx 8 mos) in 2 different
feral colonies recently with pyometra.  One was
obviously ill and close to death.  The other was just
dumb luck -   trapped her expecting a routine spay and
was very surprised to find out.  Both cats survived. 
But that's another reason to tip the spay or not
scale.   

Janine


--- Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think Tonya meant to say that spaying decreases
 the risk of cancer.  I'm about to have my 2 FeLV+
 females spayed per the vets recommendation.  One has
 already gone into heat.  Her appetite was affected 
 and she seemed pretty stressed out.  There is a risk
 to any surgery.  You just have to make the best
 decision you can with your vet's help.
   Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
 
 catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would spay.  I think your vet would tell you
 if there were any problem and would persuade you not
 to spay.  Spaying dramatically increases your cat's
 risk of cancer.  The stress of going into heat is
 also bad for a positive cat.  I have had both my
 positive cats spayed.

   tonya
 
 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Kathy, personally, unless she has had
 bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat
 on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that
 the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat
 than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had
 to do it again, I would never have had my positive
 male neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced
 leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused
 him many additional problems that hastened his
 death.  As we know, spaying is a much bigger
 procedure than neutering.  If she is going to be an
 indoor cat only and you are willing to go through
 heats I would not do it.  Just my take on things.  I
 now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes
 Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her
 for a week.  I am not even going to think about
 spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be in
 excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even
 consider it.

   Lynne
 - Original Message - 
   From: Kathy Dillard 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
   Subject: re spaying my kitten
   
 
 My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She
 has tested positive for feline leukemia and is
 currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has
 recommended having her spayed . Please advise and
 discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and
 scared about having this procedure done but want to
 do the right thing for Foxy.
 
   kathy
 
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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Lynne
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest 
positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the stress of 
wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but 
if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male neutered.  
Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his 
neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As we 
know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to be 
an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do it.  
Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes 
Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am not even 
going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be in 
excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten


  My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for 
feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel 
very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the 
right thing for Foxy.


  kathy


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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Kathy Dillard
She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet 
said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not spayed have 
more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to 
stress her out some and she eats less during that time

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Kathy, personally, unless she has had 
bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not 
do it.  I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than 
the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never 
have had my positive male neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced 
leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many additional 
problems that hastened his death.  As we know, spaying is a much bigger 
procedure than neutering.  If she is going to be an indoor cat only and you are 
willing to go through heats I would not do it.  Just my take on things.  I now 
have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, 
and I've only had her for a week.  I am not even going to think about spaying 
for at least a month.  I want her to be in excellent health, stress free etc 
before I'll even consider it.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten
  

My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for 
feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recommended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel 
very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do the 
right thing for Foxy.

  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Lynne
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet.  I still have misgivings about it but 
will be getting my girl spayed also.  I must confess I am very nervous about 
having it done.  She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause for 
worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her 
spayed.  Why is your little one on interferon?  Has she had routine blood work 
done to make sure her CBC is ok?  There was a young leukemia positive cat, 
around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was 
going to be spayed.  So I don't know what the best thing to do is.  I never had 
a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything 
went downhill rapidly after he was neutered.  I'm just a little paranoid these 
days.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet 
said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not spayed have 
more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to 
stress her out some and she eats less during that time

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 STYLE 
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the 
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten


  My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive 
for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I 
feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do 
the right thing for Foxy.


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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Kathy Dillard
The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring her 
back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. I 
believe they said they would do  blood work at that time. After she tested 
positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on 
interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well, I guess you have to trust your 
vet.  I still have misgivings about it but will be getting my girl spayed also. 
 I must confess I am very nervous about having it done.  She will never be an 
outdoor cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my 
adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed.  Why is your little one on 
interferon?  Has she had routine blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok?  
There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose 
bloodwork was excellent and she was going to be spayed.  So I don't know what 
the best thing to do is.  I never had a cat that was terminally ill before 
until Boo and it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was 
neutered.  I'm just a little paranoid these days.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten
  

She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the vet 
said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not spayed have 
more problems with cancer. She has been in heat twice now and it does seem to 
stress her out some and she eats less during that time

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  STYLE   Kathy, personally, unless she 
has had bloodwork showing she is the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I 
would not do it.  I was told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a 
cat than the stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I 
would never have had my positive male neutered.  Although he was pretty far 
advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him many 
additional problems that hastened his death.  As we know, spaying is a much 
bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to be an indoor cat only and 
you are willing to go through heats I would not do it.  Just my take on things. 
 I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the 
moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am not even going to think about 
spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be in excellent health, stress 
free etc before I'll even consider it.
   
  Lynne
- Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten
  

My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested positive for 
feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My vet has 
recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and cons. I 
feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want to do 
the right thing for Foxy.

  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I've usually have mine spayed/neutered.  Never seems to have a 
negative effect.  I have Calawalla Banana spayed at about 6 months - 
one of my first FELV kitties - she was perky and healthy, came thru 
it like a champ.  Vet said it would avoid the stress of going into 
heat, etc.  That was a few years ago.  I couldn't believe that she'd 
be dead at 3 yrs, or  Mediastinal Lymphoma.  I do think the 
interferon does help, I wasn't using it at that time.


Gloria



At 06:33 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote:
The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us 
to bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss 
having her sapyed. I believe they said they would do  blood work at 
that time. After she tested positive for feline leukemis I think 
their protocol is to just keep her on interferon all the time. Do 
you think that is a bad idea?


Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet.  I still have misgivings 
about it but will be getting my girl spayed also.  I must confess I 
am very nervous about having it done.  She will never be an outdoor 
cat so there is no cause for worry there but I think part of my 
adoption agreement was that I do get her spayed.  Why is your little 
one on interferon?  Has she had routine blood work done to make sure 
her CBC is ok?  There was a young leukemia positive cat, around 8 
months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was 
going to be spayed.  So I don't know what the best thing to do 
is.  I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and 
it just seemed everything went downhill rapidly after he was 
neutered.  I'm just a little paranoid these days.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kathy Dillard
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten

She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) 
and the vet said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats 
that are not spayed have more problems with cancer. She has been in 
heat twice now and it does seem to stress her out some and she eats 
less during that time


Lynne mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 STYLE
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was 
told that the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the 
stress of undergoing neutering but if I had to do it again, I would 
never have had my positive male neutered.  Although he was pretty 
far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe his neutering caused him 
many additional problems that hastened his death.  As we know, 
spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going 
to be an indoor cat only and you are willing to go through heats I 
would not do it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old 
female who has Feline Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've 
only had her for a week.  I am not even going to think about spaying 
for at least a month.  I want her to be in excellent health, stress 
free etc before I'll even consider it.


Lynne
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kathy Dillard
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: re spaying my kitten

My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested 
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of 
interferon. My vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please 
advise and discuss pros and cons. I feel very anxious and scared 
about having this procedure done but want to do the right thing for Foxy.


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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Lynne
No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put him 
on interferon then.  By the time we did, it was way too late.  Actually I gave 
the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy positive 
cat.  I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring 
her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. 
I believe they said they would do  blood work at that time. After she tested 
positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on 
interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet.  I still have misgivings about it 
but will be getting my girl spayed also.  I must confess I am very nervous 
about having it done.  She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause 
for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her 
spayed.  Why is your little one on interferon?  Has she had routine blood work 
done to make sure her CBC is ok?  There was a young leukemia positive cat, 
around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was 
going to be spayed.  So I don't know what the best thing to do is.  I never had 
a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything 
went downhill rapidly after he was neutered.  I'm just a little paranoid these 
days.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and the 
vet said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not spayed 
have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it does 
seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 STYLE 
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the 
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten


  My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested 
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My 
vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and 
cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want 
to do the right thing for Foxy.


  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread laurieskatz
Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put 
him on interferon then.  By the time we did, it was way too late.  Actually I 
gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy 
positive cat.  I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl.  

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Dillard 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to bring 
her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her sapyed. 
I believe they said they would do  blood work at that time. After she tested 
positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her on 
interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Well, I guess you have to trust your vet.  I still have misgivings about 
it but will be getting my girl spayed also.  I must confess I am very nervous 
about having it done.  She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no cause 
for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do get her 
spayed.  Why is your little one on interferon?  Has she had routine blood work 
done to make sure her CBC is ok?  There was a young leukemia positive cat, 
around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent and she was 
going to be spayed.  So I don't know what the best thing to do is.  I never had 
a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed everything 
went downhill rapidly after he was neutered.  I'm just a little paranoid these 
days.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Dillard 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and 
the vet said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not 
spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it 
does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   STYLE 
  Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the 
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Dillard 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: re spaying my kitten


My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested 
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My 
vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and 
cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want 
to do the right thing for Foxy.


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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread Lynne
That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because of 
complications with FIP and his leukemia.
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. 
- Original Message - 
From: Lynne 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have put 
him on interferon then.  By the time we did, it was way too late.  Actually I 
gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy 
positive cat.  I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to 
bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her 
sapyed. I believe they said they would do  blood work at that time. After she 
tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her 
on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Well, I guess you have to trust your vet.  I still have misgivings 
about it but will be getting my girl spayed also.  I must confess I am very 
nervous about having it done.  She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no 
cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do 
get her spayed.  Why is your little one on interferon?  Has she had routine 
blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok?  There was a young leukemia 
positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent 
and she was going to be spayed.  So I don't know what the best thing to do is.  
I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed 
everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered.  I'm just a little 
paranoid these days.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) and 
the vet said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not 
spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it 
does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time

  Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 STYLE 
Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is the 
healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that the 
stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Dillard 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
  Subject: re spaying my kitten


  My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested 
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My 
vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and 
cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want 
to do the right thing for Foxy.


  kathy

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Re: re spaying my kitten

2008-03-29 Thread laurieskatz
I think there is one kind of interferon (cat rather than human) that is given 
daily and much more expensive.
others may know more about that particular interferon.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:15 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  That was our plan too but he only had 2 shots and had to be put down because 
of complications with FIP and his leukemia.
- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


Isabella gets interferon 7 days on/7 days off. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:51 PM
  Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


  No, I wish I had known my cat was positive a year ago and I would have 
put him on interferon then.  By the time we did, it was way too late.  Actually 
I gave the Interferon to the Clinic and it was going to be used for a healthy 
positive cat.  I'm sure this will be of great benefit to your little girl.  

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Dillard 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


The last time she was at the vet was for shots and the vet told us to 
bring her back in three weeks for a distemper shot and to discuss having her 
sapyed. I believe they said they would do  blood work at that time. After she 
tested positive for feline leukemis I think their protocol is to just keep her 
on interferon all the time. Do you think that is a bad idea?

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Well, I guess you have to trust your vet.  I still have misgivings 
about it but will be getting my girl spayed also.  I must confess I am very 
nervous about having it done.  She will never be an outdoor cat so there is no 
cause for worry there but I think part of my adoption agreement was that I do 
get her spayed.  Why is your little one on interferon?  Has she had routine 
blood work done to make sure her CBC is ok?  There was a young leukemia 
positive cat, around 8 months old, at our vets whose bloodwork was excellent 
and she was going to be spayed.  So I don't know what the best thing to do is.  
I never had a cat that was terminally ill before until Boo and it just seemed 
everything went downhill rapidly after he was neutered.  I'm just a little 
paranoid these days.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Dillard 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: re spaying my kitten


She was just checked by the vet and she has gianed weight (6 lbs) 
and the vet said she seems very healthy.  The vet said that cats that are not 
spayed have more problems with cancer. She has be en in heat twice now and it 
does seem to stress her out some and she eats less during that time

Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   STYLE 
  Kathy, personally, unless she has had bloodwork showing she is 
the healthiest positive cat on the planet, I would not do it.  I was told that 
the stress of wanting to breed is harder on a cat than the stress of undergoing 
neutering but if I had to do it again, I would never have had my positive male 
neutered.  Although he was pretty far advanced leukemia wise, I truly believe 
his neutering caused him many additional problems that hastened his death.  As 
we know, spaying is a much bigger procedure than neutering.  If she is going to 
be an indoor cat onl y and you are willing to go through heats I would not do 
it.  Just my take on things.  I now have a 3 year old female who has Feline 
Herpes Virus, inactive at the moment, and I've only had her for a week.  I am 
not even going to think about spaying for at least a month.  I want her to be 
in excellent health, stress free etc before I'll even consider it.

  Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Dillard 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: re spaying my kitten


My female kitten Foxy is about 8 1/2 months old. She has tested 
positive for feline leukemia and is currently on a daily dose of interferon. My 
vet has recomm ended having her spayed . Please advise and discuss pros and 
cons. I feel very anxious and scared about having this procedure done but want 
to do the right thing for Foxy.


kathy


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