[Felvtalk] correction: jumping to top of another cage 2.5' away sorry

[czadna sacarawicz]

I trust your insights and experiences.
 
Briefly I chose to foster 3 kittens with significant conjunctivitis from the 
local pound about 2 weeks and 2 days ago.  That was on a Saturday.  I knew come 
Monday they would be killed.  I have spent significant $ of my $ by choice.
 
All tested negative for FIV, fe leukemia and heart worm this past Saturday.  I 
chose to vaccinate them including fe leukemia this past Saturday.
 
Maya Mia is about 2 months old.  Her left eye is swollen.  The eye is cloudy 
and has become vascularized.  There is no evidence of pus.  Her right eye 
had/has a corneal ulcer.  There is a small amount of cloudiness.  Two vets have 
recommended to remove the left eye.
 
The first vet backed off that it was an emergency when I asked her what if re:  
the corneal ulcer eye.
 
Two local rescue groups say they have good fortune re:  placing kittens with 
less than optimal vision.
 
My question to you is, what has been your experience re:  letting nature take 
it's course.  she happily and accurately leaps from atop a cage four foot off 
the ground  to one at the same level 2.5 feet away.  She is active.
 
The kittens contemplated future is with an area SPCA.  Their doors are not open 
to them at the present.  They would be adopted into forever homes  from the 
SPCA or stay at the facility if not adopted..
 
The first vet advised me to use opthalmic antibiotic drops for the present.  I 
had used opthalmic ointment on both eyes for 10 days.
 
thank you.
 
cz
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] correction: jumping to top of another cage 2.5' away sorry

[Lee Evans]

If there is an animal ophthalmologist in your area please take the kitten to 
her/him for a second opinion.  A corneal ulcer can usually be treated with 
antibiotic eye drops.  I have had several cats with mild to severe corneal 
ulcers.  The worst that happens is that the ulcer turns into a small cataract, 
which is a cloudy area on the cornea.  Her eye may look a little strange but 
will still have some vision.  Older humans frequently get cataracts which are 
removed and artificial lenses put in.  Corneal cataracts in humans are treated 
with corneal transplants but in animals, once the infection has been knocked 
down and the ulcer has turned into a cataract, it's just left alone.  But the 
antibiotic eye drops are VERY important so get a consultation with a proper 
specialist. Many times they will give you a discount if you are a rescuer 
trying to get the kittens ready for adoption.

 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] correction: jumping to top of another cage 2.5' away sorry
 

 

 
I trust your insights and experiences.
 
Briefly I chose to foster 3 kittens with significant conjunctivitis from the 
local pound about 2 weeks and 2 days ago.  That was on a Saturday.  I knew come 
Monday they would be killed.  I have spent significant $ of my $ by choice.
 
All tested negative for FIV, fe leukemia and heart worm this past Saturday.  I 
chose to vaccinate them including fe leukemia this past Saturday.
 
Maya Mia is about 2 months old.  Her left eye is swollen.  The eye is cloudy 
and has become vascularized.  There is no evidence of pus.  Her right eye 
had/has a corneal ulcer.  There is a small amount of cloudiness.  Two vets have 
recommended to remove the left eye.
 
The first vet backed off that it was an emergency when I asked her what if re:  
the corneal ulcer eye.
 
Two local rescue groups say they have good fortune re:  placing kittens with 
less than optimal vision.
 
My question to you is, what has been your experience re:  letting nature take 
it's course.  she happily and accurately leaps from atop a cage four foot off 
the ground  to one at the same level 2.5 feet away.  She is active.
 
The kittens contemplated future is with an area SPCA.  Their doors are not open 
to them at the present.  They would be adopted into forever homes  from the 
SPCA or stay at the facility if not adopted..
 
The first vet advised me to use opthalmic antibiotic drops for the present.  I 
had used opthalmic ointment on both eyes for 10 days.
 
thank you.
 
cz
 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Natalie]

Did you know that there's screening available that is pet'proof?  Our cats
climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than
estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a
relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the food.  I
handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.  Etc.  I like
Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be released into a
known area, developing that relationship is very important.  

 

Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have
been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals
have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved
so he could learn where he was.  The leash got longer and longer
and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have now travel around in a
carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when
..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts.
Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile
walks when the weather permits.  

 

All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do
this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu
then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact it for the
boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for
the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care
is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:





The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
if she doesn't get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
old area.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
to be addressed.

 

This is my experience only.  

On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:






 

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[MaiMaiPG]

I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats.  I  
suspect I will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here.  The  
bugs don't bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something  
harmful getting on the porch to be.

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote:

Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”?   
Our cats climb the screens, and we will replace them with the  
special ones.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer  
than estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to  
build a relationship with them during that period.  They see you  
with the food.  I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is  
my odor.  Etc.  I like Feliway when they are in confined.  Because  
she won't be released into a known area, developing that  
relationship is very important.


Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats  
but have been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok  
all my guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a  
long time when we moved so he could learn where he was.  The leash  
got longer and longer and...but he knew where he was.  The boys  
I have now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home-- 
it has paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper  
took unauthorized walk-abouts.  Now they are familiar with lots of  
scents on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits.


All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can  
do this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony  
and Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to  
replact it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a  
reenforced screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom  
leaves this world before they do..care is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:


The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own  
territory and if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may  
start searching for the old area.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet  
treatment for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc),  
dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs,  
hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their  
own group), and just because of numerous other concerns.  None of  
them have ever forgotten their nature.  These ferals live at my  
Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have to be  
addressed.


This is my experience only.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Natalie]

Don’t use chicken wire, it goes to pot very soon.  Use ¼” or ½” hardware
cloth, or even turkey-wire – much more sturdy and you don’t look like you’re
sitting in a chicken coop.  Then you can staple or nail screening on the
outside and not be bothered with flies/mosquitoes! 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats.  I suspect I
will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here.  The bugs don't
bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the
porch to be.  

On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote:





Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”?  Our cats
climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than
estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a
relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the food.  I
handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.  Etc.  I like
Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be released into a
known area, developing that relationship is very important.  

 

Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have
been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals
have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved
so he could learn where he was.  The leash got longer and longer
and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have now travel around in a
carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when
..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts.
Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile
walks when the weather permits.  

 

All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do
this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu
then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact it for the
boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for
the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care
is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:






The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
old area.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
to be addressed.

 

This is my experience only.  

On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:







 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[dlgegg]

The mention of pet screening sent me searching.  Did you know Pfifer als makes 
a no seeum screen.  Those monsters make huge welts on me.  Now the question is: 
 do I need pet screen and no seeum to make a comfortable place for myself and 
the cats?  I was going to use 1/4 wire cloth, but if pet screen keeps all the 
bad guys out, then all I need is bug protection.  Would probably look nicer too.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Don’t use chicken wire, it goes to pot very soon.  Use ¼” or ½” hardware
 cloth, or even turkey-wire – much more sturdy and you don’t look like you’re
 sitting in a chicken coop.  Then you can staple or nail screening on the
 outside and not be bothered with flies/mosquitoes! 
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:07 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 I used chain link since a major goal was to protect the cats.  I suspect I
 will use chicken wire to make a screened in porch here.  The bugs don't
 bother me nearly as much as the thoughts of something harmful getting on the
 porch to be.  
 
 On Aug 13, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Did you know that there’s screening available that is “pet’proof”?  Our cats
 climb the screens, and we will replace them with the special ones.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:10 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than
 estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a
 relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the food.  I
 handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.  Etc.  I like
 Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be released into a
 known area, developing that relationship is very important.  
 
  
 
 Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but have
 been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my guys/gals
 have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long time when we moved
 so he could learn where he was.  The leash got longer and longer
 and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have now travel around in a
 carriage so they get a sense of home--it has paid off when
 ..left a door unlocked and Copper took unauthorized walk-abouts.
 Now they are familiar with lots of scents on the farm...they go for mile
 walks when the weather permits.  
 
  
 
 All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can do
 this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and Mi Tu
 then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact it for the
 boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced screened area for
 the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world before they do..care
 is a lifetime commitment.
 
 On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
 if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
 old area.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
 for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
 of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
 time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
 other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
 ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
 to be addressed.
 
  
 
 This is my experience only.  
 
 On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Natalie]

The general time allotted for any cat that one plans to release in an area,
is 4 weeks.that includes taking the cat outside to allow it to get to know
the area, in increments. The cat must realize that this is her home, and she
must learn the scent.

  If this were dead in the middle of winter, one cannot do it that way -
snow deters a cat from learning any scents..some people move to a new place,
and immediately allow their cat(s) to go outside, and if there's snow, bye
bye cat...

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Natalie]

The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own territory and
if she doesn't get used to Bonnie and her yard, may start searching for the
old area.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet treatment
for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc), dangers (size and age
of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks etc) healing time + adjust
time (they were returning to their own group), and just because of numerous
other concerns.  None of them have ever forgotten their nature.  These
ferals live at my Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have
to be addressed.

 

This is my experience only.  

On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:





Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Beth]

Try contacting a rescue to see if they have one you can borrow or look on your 
post on your local Free Cycle list if you have one. I had so many extra crates 
when I stopped fostering kittens I didn't know what to do with them!

Beth

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From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Sorry to Ask so much, but...


   This is the same type of crate I used on my cross country trip with the 
kitties in the semi, I bought 4 of these, 2, 36 and 2, 42 sizes, only 
difference is mine have 3 doors (one on the side too).  They are very nice, 
easy to fold and set up, 

On 8/11/2011 9:18 AM, Natalie wrote: 
http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8qid=1313079277sr=8-6
 
look at this one for 41.99 Opens from top and has 2 doors, apparently.


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[dlgegg]

I have often wondered that if I had to move, what would I do about my cats.  
They are used to going out in the morning, but in a new place they might get 
lost trying to find their old home.  Also, I might end up in town with cars and 
trucks.  I have decided on an outdoor room.  Then they can be outside and I 
won't have to worry about them.  All of the ferals I have taken in have become 
my cats and come inside.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 The general time allotted for any cat that one plans to release in an area,
 is 4 weeks.that includes taking the cat outside to allow it to get to know
 the area, in increments. The cat must realize that this is her home, and she
 must learn the scent.
 
   If this were dead in the middle of winter, one cannot do it that way -
 snow deters a cat from learning any scents..some people move to a new place,
 and immediately allow their cat(s) to go outside, and if there's snow, bye
 bye cat...
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:26 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 
  
 
 Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
 Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
 all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
 they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.
 
  
 
 I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
 holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
 under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
 outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
 large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
 this is where food is. 
 
  
 
 Hope this helps.
 
  
 
 Diane R.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
 Importance: High
 
  
 
 Folks
 
 I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
 but am trying to figure this out with this cat.
 
  
 
 So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
 suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?
 
 I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
 I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
 stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..
 
  
 
 Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
 experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!
 
  
 
 ~Bonnie
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[MaiMaiPG]

I guess  I am trying to say you can hold them inside a lot longer than  
estimated.  I've had them in for 3-4 months.  The thing is to build a  
relationship with them during that period.  They see you with the  
food.  I handle all the dry food with my hands so there is my odor.   
Etc.  I like Feliway when they are in confined.  Because she won't be  
released into a known area, developing that relationship is very  
important.


Frankly, I have been very concerned moving or traveling with cats but  
have been successful in both several times.  Ebony, a feral--ok all my  
guys/gals have been feral--went out on a leash for cats for a long  
time when we moved so he could learn where he was.  The leash got  
longer and longer and...but he knew where he was.  The boys I have  
now travel around in a carriage so they get a sense of home--it has  
paid off when ..left a door unlocked and Copper took  
unauthorized walk-abouts.  Now they are familiar with lots of scents  
on the farm...they go for mile walks when the weather permits.


All of this is to say that, with a lot of love and patience, you can  
do this.  Frankly, I like the enclosed area.  I did this for Ebony and  
Mi Tu then repeated it on the farm for Dixie.  Now I want to replact  
it for the boys by way of a screened in porch...and a reenforced  
screened area for the ones I will bring over if Mom leaves this world  
before they do..care is a lifetime commitment.

On Aug 12, 2011, at 7:20 AM, Natalie wrote:

The one concern is that Hemy is NOT being released in her own  
territory and if she doesn’t get used to Bonnie and her yard, may  
start searching for the old area.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet  
treatment for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc),  
dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs,  
hawks etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their  
own group), and just because of numerous other concerns.  None of  
them have ever forgotten their nature.  These ferals live at my  
Mom's but I am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have to be  
addressed.


This is my experience only.
On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:



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[Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Bonnie Hogue]

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Christiane Biagi]

The place I bought the 42 crate:  

$77.95 and free shipping (Midwest Crate)
http://www.petstreetmall.com/Midwest-I-1542DD-Double-Door-iCrate-Dog-Crate/7
853/2963/ 

 

I last used it for 2 young kitties who I'd been feeding outside  who I knew
wouldn't last the winter.  Someone had lent me one of those hard sided dog
crates but I found that it didn't allow much air to circulate  they could
only see out the front.  With the wire crate, I used a sheet to drape over
it  sort of gave them a chance to see what was going on in the room at
different side by lifting on side or another.  I used a small covered litter
box inside  they did fine.  I made a hammock using a small towel.  Made
holes in all 4 corners; attached STRONG rope;  tied so that it hung above
the floor towards the front of crate.  This way, they had room to hang out
without fighting for space on the floor or climbing over each other to get
to the box.  I could put their food dishes towards the front so that it
wouldn't be close to the box.  They loved lying in that hammock  looking
around!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[kathryn mundell]

Hey Bonnie -

 No apologies necessary!!

 I would crack open a window in the bathroom (if it has a window).

 If it doesn't have a window - try bringing in some plants/soil/etc (in a pot) 
from the outside.

 Once she has gotten more used to you - set up a large crate (covered with a 
tarp) that is big enough to hold food/water/litter  her box outside with her 
in it. She will be safe  protected in the cage  out of the elements (due to 
the tarp)  can get acclimated to her surroundings. (I'm assuming the weather 
is not horrendous by you right now).

 Then you can let her out of the cage - but prop the cage door open so she can 
always get back in if she wants.

 Sending you good vibes for great success!!

 Kat (Mew Jersey)

- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 Folks I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this 
morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat. So, if I decide to put 
her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been suggested, then how do I 
introduce her to 'living outside' again? I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying 
to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess. I know this doesn't sound like much to 
some of you, but it's getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the 
felines!).. Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and 
experiences. I deeply appreciate you all! ~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Natalie]

I use the Midwest crates, but I use two (door-to-door), twistem tie
together.  I use one as living room and food, the other for litter box and
open from the top to clean/feed.  If a cat is really feral, I slide a
cardboard between the two cages to open one or the other top safely.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

The place I bought the 42 crate:  

$77.95 and free shipping (Midwest Crate)
http://www.petstreetmall.com/Midwest-I-1542DD-Double-Door-iCrate-Dog-Crate/7
853/2963/ 

 

I last used it for 2 young kitties who I'd been feeding outside  who I knew
wouldn't last the winter.  Someone had lent me one of those hard sided dog
crates but I found that it didn't allow much air to circulate  they could
only see out the front.  With the wire crate, I used a sheet to drape over
it  sort of gave them a chance to see what was going on in the room at
different side by lifting on side or another.  I used a small covered litter
box inside  they did fine.  I made a hammock using a small towel.  Made
holes in all 4 corners; attached STRONG rope;  tied so that it hung above
the floor towards the front of crate.  This way, they had room to hang out
without fighting for space on the floor or climbing over each other to get
to the box.  I could put their food dishes towards the front so that it
wouldn't be close to the box.  They loved lying in that hammock  looking
around!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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[Felvtalk] FW: Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Natalie]

http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_6
?ie=UTF8
http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_
6?ie=UTF8qid=1313079277sr=8-6 qid=1313079277sr=8-6 

look at this one for 41.99 Opens from top and has 2 doors, apparently.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

 

The place I bought the 42 crate:  

$77.95 and free shipping (Midwest Crate)
http://www.petstreetmall.com/Midwest-I-1542DD-Double-Door-iCrate-Dog-Crate/7
853/2963/ 

 

I last used it for 2 young kitties who I'd been feeding outside  who I knew
wouldn't last the winter.  Someone had lent me one of those hard sided dog
crates but I found that it didn't allow much air to circulate  they could
only see out the front.  With the wire crate, I used a sheet to drape over
it  sort of gave them a chance to see what was going on in the room at
different side by lifting on side or another.  I used a small covered litter
box inside  they did fine.  I made a hammock using a small towel.  Made
holes in all 4 corners; attached STRONG rope;  tied so that it hung above
the floor towards the front of crate.  This way, they had room to hang out
without fighting for space on the floor or climbing over each other to get
to the box.  I could put their food dishes towards the front so that it
wouldn't be close to the box.  They loved lying in that hammock  looking
around!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Belinda Sauro]

   This is the same type of crate I used on my cross country trip 
with the kitties in the semi, I bought 4 of these, 2, 36 and 2, 42 
sizes, only difference is mine have 3 doors (one on the side too).  They 
are very nice, easy to fold and set up,


On 8/11/2011 9:18 AM, Natalie wrote:


http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8qid=1313079277sr=8-6 
http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8qid=1313079277sr=8-6 



*look at this one for 41.99 Opens from top and has 2 doors, 
apparently.*





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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Lynda Wilson]

I like the suggestion of finding a Himalayan rescue that could take her in.

L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hogue 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...


  Folks

  I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning, 
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

   

  So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been 
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

  I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.  
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit 
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

   

  Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and experiences. 
 I deeply appreciate you all!

   

  ~Bonnie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[MaiMaiPG]

Can you put up a dog kennel with a topper?
On Aug 11, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Folks
I’m sorry to be monopolizing all this “air space” on the list this  
morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat.


So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has  
been suggested, then how do I introduce her to ‘living outside’ again?
I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt’s cat,  
Princess.  I know this doesn’t sound like much to some of you, but  
it’s getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)….


Again, I can’t thank you enough for sharing your information and  
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!


~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and reading the
Files. You have to look a little, but there is good advice for dealing with
all kinds of situations. You can join the group and just ask, of course, but
they will respect you more if you look in the Files first.

 

I'm not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises AGAINST
holding a cat you're going to TNR inside for that long unless it is ill and
under treatment. The idea being that it will lose its sense of being an
outside cat. They DO advocate, when relocating, holding the cat outside in a
large cage for a few weeks to get them used to the yard and the idea that
this is where food is. 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Diane R.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

 

Folks

I'm sorry to be monopolizing all this air space on the list this morning,
but am trying to figure this out with this cat.

 

So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has been
suggested, then how do I introduce her to 'living outside' again?

I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt's cat, Princess.
I know this doesn't sound like much to some of you, but it's getting a bit
stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)..

 

Again, I can't thank you enough for sharing your information and
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!

 

~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[MaiMaiPG]

On that, I have had a few ferals that were held inside after vet  
treatment for various reasons:  weather (very hot or cold etc),  
dangers (size and age of cat and the presents of packs of dogs, hawks  
etc) healing time + adjust time (they were returning to their own  
group), and just because of numerous other concerns.  None of them  
have ever forgotten their nature.  These ferals live at my Mom's but I  
am the primary servant.  Mom's concerns have to be addressed.


This is my experience only.
On Aug 11, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

Bonnie, I would suggest going to the feral_cats Yahoogroup and  
reading the Files. You have to look a little, but there is good  
advice for dealing with all kinds of situations. You can join the  
group and just ask, of course, but they will respect you more if you  
look in the Files first.


I’m not completely sure of this, but I think that list advises  
AGAINST holding a cat you’re going to TNR inside for that long  
unless it is ill and under treatment. The idea being that it will  
lose its sense of being an outside cat. They DO advocate, when  
relocating, holding the cat outside in a large cage for a few weeks  
to get them used to the yard and the idea that “this is where food  
is.”


Hope this helps.

Diane R.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue

Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sorry to Ask so much, but...
Importance: High

Folks
I’m sorry to be monopolizing all this “air space” on the list this  
morning, but am trying to figure this out with this cat.


So, if I decide to put her in my bathroom for a 2 to 3 weeks, as has  
been suggested, then how do I introduce her to ‘living outside’ again?
I currently have 4 cats PLUS am trying to introduce my aunt’s cat,  
Princess.  I know this doesn’t sound like much to some of you, but  
it’s getting a bit stress (maybe more for me than for the felines!)….


Again, I can’t thank you enough for sharing your information and  
experiences.  I deeply appreciate you all!


~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe-Jane I am sorry

[Tracey Shrout]

Jane, thank you for all your posts. I don't post a lot, but you have a lot
of information to share. I am so sorry you lost MeMe, she was beautiful.
Thanks for your advice about the stomatitis, I am going to try that.
Tracey

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.netwrote:

 She is a beauty, I am so sorry for your loss-just reading about her brings
 back tears and memories of our boys also-This disease is so unpredictable
 and horrible. She had so much love in your home and her life was cherished.
 I am truly sorry. Alice Flowers-Clark
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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe-Jane I am sorry

[Alice Flowers]

She is a beauty, I am so sorry for your loss-just reading about her brings back 
tears and memories of our boys also-This disease is so unpredictable and 
horrible. She had so much love in your home and her life was cherished. I am 
truly sorry. Alice Flowers-Clark
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[Felvtalk] Jenny-I am so sorry about Autumn

[Alice Flowers]

I don't know why, but I've been thinking about her and had been wondering how 
things have been going. I think it's the leaves changing-I look out my window 
to see what the old nags are doing out in their little field and see the 
mulberry trees turning colors and dropping leaves in the wind-I kept thinking 
Autumn...and then I realized you've been quiet, then I worried. I am so very 
sad-this #!*% disease steals our youngest from us. I lost the 4 brothers, 
Rosie's littermates this past year-only one made it to a year old, just barely. 
When I read of the Imulan product through your postings and Christy and Gray 
Kitty's postings-I knew I had to try and catch this before it became full blown 
anemia-their bloodwork at UC Davis in June was showing changes-nothing real 
bad, just indicators of anemia signs, little things-Murphy's and Rosie's tests 
said slight anisocytosis-the same as Oni who passed at 10 1/2 months (July) and 
Schatzi-he died right at a year old
 mid August. Buster and Jack had died already in May and June. My little feral 
litter-who knew that these sick little ones would turn our world upside down in 
such a short time. I pray for all our babies-it seems when they have the virus 
from birth or shortly after, it's almost surely a death sentence at a young 
age. I am glad we are trying the LCTI and we are still giving the Alpha 
Interferon 2x a day. They have soo much energy now-they play and play. I never 
knew they could be so energetic. Even if it's temporary (I am hoping it's not) 
it is so worth it. It's giving us time we need to have with them and not worry 
constantly about if this is itand I noticed, neither one has had a sniffle 
or a sneeze since beginning the LCTI...strange...we were constantly buying 
antibiotics-we had constant refills of Zithromax at the Walmart 
pharmacy...knock on wood-but it's been over 2 1/2 months since their vomiting 
and diarreah spell. Strange how a good month
 seems like a lifetime when your kitties have been sick most of their lives. 
Jenny-Autumn is in good company-she is free of this horrible disease and is 
running and playing with all of our kitties now-she was so loved and I know she 
is ok. You are a very special lady with a big heart and I appreciate all I've 
learned here from you. I can hear Murphy galloping around the living room, 
chasing Rosie (he has a little bell) and I am grateful that I have this extra 
time with them. I have you and the others who are the pioneers with these new 
products to thank. So it was not in vain.  Alice 
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[Sue Koren]

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Re: Sorry

[wendy]

It's ok Sherry.  What happened, happened, and we will all hopefully learn from 
this and move forward.

Maizee is proud of all you've done to honor her memory...I just know she is 
shining down on you from that big Rainbow Bridge in the sky.

:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:27:37 PM
Subject: Sorry


I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid 
argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of 
hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody 
has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain peoples 
opinions,but to call the place that I respect and devote myself to a Hellhole 
was just plain un called for.And I am NOT trying to get any arguing going 
again.I have respected this list for almost 2 years now.Many have been here for 
me in my loss of Maizee(the beautiful felv baby that brought me to this 
list).Many have left because of the exact same thing that went on here.
We are here to help one another NOT to force our opinions upon.Ok to speak them 
but not to attack because we dont agree.
I am not a fighter.But when I am attacked it is hard not to.
So I just want to say sorry for the mess that occured here.
 


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Re: Sorry

[Sherry DeHaan]

Thanks Wendy,I hope my beautiful Genevieve is with her watching over me.I miss 
those precious babies.

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  It's ok Sherry.  What happened, happened, and we will all hopefully learn 
from this and move forward.
   
  Maizee is proud of all you've done to honor her memory...I just know she is 
shining down on you from that big Rainbow Bridge in the sky.
   
  :)
  Wendy
 
  Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~
  

  - Original Message 
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:27:37 PM
Subject: Sorry

  I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid 
argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of 
hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody 
has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain peoples 
opinions,but to call the place that I respect and devote myself to a Hellhole 
was just plain un called for.And I am NOT trying to get any arguing going 
again.I have respected this list for almost 2 years now.Many have been here for 
me in my loss of Maizee(the beautiful felv baby that brought me to this 
list).Many have left because of the exact same thing that went on here.
  We are here to help one another NOT to force our opinions upon.Ok to speak 
them but not to attack because we dont agree.
  I am not a fighter.But when I am attacked it is hard not to.
  So I just want to say sorry for the mess that occured here.
   

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Re: Sorry

[wendy]

LOL...I meant smiling down, but shining works too!
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:36:40 AM
Subject: Re: Sorry

Thanks Wendy,I hope my beautiful Genevieve is with her watching over me.I miss 
those precious babies.

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
It's ok Sherry.  What happened, happened, and we will all hopefully learn from 
this and move forward.
 
Maizee is proud of all you've done to honor her memory...I just know she is 
shining down on you from that big Rainbow Bridge in the sky.
 
:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:27:37 PM
Subject: Sorry


I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid 
argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of 
hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody 
has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain peoples 
opinions,but to call the place that I respect and devote myself to a Hellhole 
was just plain un called for.And I am NOT trying to get any arguing going 
again.I have respected this list for almost 2 years now.Many have been here for 
me in my loss of Maizee(the beautiful felv baby that brought me to this 
list).Many have left because of the exact same thing that went on here.
We are here to help one another NOT to force our opinions upon.Ok to speak them 
but not to attack because we dont agree.
I am not a fighter.But when I am attacked it is hard not to.
So I just want to say sorry for the mess that occured here.
 


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Sorry

[Sherry DeHaan]

I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid 
argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of 
hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody 
has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain peoples 
opinions,but to call the place that I respect and devote myself to a Hellhole 
was just plain un called for.And I am NOT trying to get any arguing going 
again.I have respected this list for almost 2 years now.Many have been here for 
me in my loss of Maizee(the beautiful felv baby that brought me to this 
list).Many have left because of the exact same thing that went on here.
  We are here to help one another NOT to force our opinions upon.Ok to speak 
them but not to attack because we dont agree.
  I am not a fighter.But when I am attacked it is hard not to.
  So I just want to say sorry for the mess that occured here.
   

   
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Re: Sorry

[catatonya]

Sherry,
   
  You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about.  You did not cause the 
problems we've had with people leaving the list over the past month or so.  
Your situation just illustrated the kind of responses that are running people 
off in droves.
  t

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid 
argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of 
hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody 
has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain peoples 
opinions,but to call the place that I respect and devote myself to a Hellhole 
was just plain un called for.And I am NOT trying to get any arguing going 
again.I have respected this list for almost 2 years now.Many have been here for 
me in my loss of Maizee(the beautiful felv baby that brought me to this 
list).Many have left because of the exact same thing that went on here.
  We are here to help one another NOT to force our opinions upon.Ok to speak 
them but not to attack because we dont agree.
  I am not a fighter.But when I am attacked it is hard not to.
  So I just want to say sorry for the mess that occured here.
   

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Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[Belinda]

I used epogen (same thing as procrit) when my Bailey was anemic 
along with prenisolone because we suspected the virus was in his bone 
marrow supressing his immune system and interfering with blood 
building.  We reversed his anemia with this combo.


Procrit used in humans is at a much, much higher does and shouldn't 
scare anyone off from using it with cats that are anemic, any cats with 
CRF end up using it in the later stages as the kidney disease eventually 
interferes with the production of erythropoietin which the Epogen, 
Procrit and the new drug called Aranesp help to produce.


In my mind your cat WILL die if the enemia isn't reversed period, so if 
there is something that may help what have you got to lose??


Below paragraph my opinion (based on what my vet told me when I asked 
her about this):


PS.  Has your cat been on a minimum 4 to 6 week course of Doxocycline 
for possible hemobartonella?  Even if he tested negative he should have 
gotten this (my opinion).  Hemo is very hard to test for and many cats 
tests negative again and again before it is finally found.  Though they 
are never cured of hemo the doxy will put it into remission.  If they 
don't have it it isn't going to hurt to get the doxy but my very well 
save their life if they have an undiagnosed case of hemo.


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Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

[Jenna]

im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers.
   
  It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying 
remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope 
it helps you.
   
  My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way 
though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable 
and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen 
people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more 
beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that 
experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened 
with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from 
the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, 
if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not 
something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It 
doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with.
   
  She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want 
to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and 
paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- 
which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark 
tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it 
was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a 
relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The 
song is Tell me on a sunday. 
   
  Don't write a letter when you want to leave
Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
I'd like to choose how I hear the news
Take me to a park that's covered with trees
Tell me on a Sunday please
   
  Don't leave in silence with no word at all
Don't get drunk and slam the door
That's no way to end this
I know how I want you to say goodbye
Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
Tell me on a Sunday please
   
  That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very 
heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her 
Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the  first time all weekend she 
raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her 
and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. 
   
  The song goes:
  Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main
Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
J'oublie mon chagrin
Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri
Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit
  The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh
while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I
   
  I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each 
vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 
   
  I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was 
exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he 
was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. 
   
  When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel 
got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I 
went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out 
like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she 
didn't move. 
   
  I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he 
talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would 
always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he 
thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay 
before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. 
   
  I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would 
need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her 
head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling 
you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - 
over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. 

  I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband 
called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked 
out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again when we got her 
ashes.
   
  That night I could not relax to sleep. Eventually I felt (and you may think 
me crazy) her presence in the room. I felt a warmth on my chest where she would 
lay all the time. Only then was I able to sleep. I tell you about it because I 
do believe that all those living have souls and we can call upon them when we 
need. And not in a distant way like they are far off in heaven but that they 
are they present around us all the time

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[Marylyn]

You are not crazy.  Many people have their little friends visit.  Some of mine 
visit regularly.  And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes 
into my life next.  My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way 
around.  

Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and 
Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+)   Bother liked cold tile during their 
last days.  

And yes, death can be beautiful.  It is simply a very painful pause for those 
of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jenna 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry 
butplease indulge


  im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers.

  It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying 
remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope 
it helps you.

  My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way 
though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable 
and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen 
people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more 
beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that 
experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened 
with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from 
the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, 
if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not 
something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It 
doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with.

  She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want 
to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and 
paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- 
which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark 
tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it 
was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a 
relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The 
song is Tell me on a sunday. 

  Don't write a letter when you want to leave
  Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
  I'd like to choose how I hear the news
  Take me to a park that's covered with trees
  Tell me on a Sunday please

  Don't leave in silence with no word at all
  Don't get drunk and slam the door
  That's no way to end this
  I know how I want you to say goodbye
  Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
  Tell me on a Sunday please

  That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very 
heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her 
Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the  first time all weekend she 
raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her 
and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. 

  The song goes:
  Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main
  Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
  J'oublie mon chagrin
  Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri
  Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit
  The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh
  while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I

  I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each 
vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 

  I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was 
exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he 
was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. 

  When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel 
got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I 
went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out 
like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she 
didn't move. 

  I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he 
talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would 
always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he 
thinks she knew what he

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

[Sherry DeHaan]

Jenna your story of your beautiful Satine has me in tears.It is the hardest 
thing to go through when you love them so much.She was lucky to have the both 
of you.I went through it with my Maizee Grace almost 2 years ago and this 
really hit me hard.
  Sherry

Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers.
   
  It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying 
remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope 
it helps you.
   
  My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way 
though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable 
and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen 
people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more 
beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that 
experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened 
with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from 
the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, 
if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not 
something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It 
doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with.
   
  She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want 
to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and 
paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- 
which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark 
tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it 
was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a 
relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The 
song is Tell me on a sunday. 
   
  Don't write a letter when you want to leave
Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
I'd like to choose how I hear the news
Take me to a park that's covered with trees
Tell me on a Sunday please
   
  Don't leave in silence with no word at all
Don't get drunk and slam the door
That's no way to end this
I know how I want you to say goodbye
Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
Tell me on a Sunday please
   
  That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very 
heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her 
Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the  first time all weekend she 
raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her 
and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. 
   
  The song goes:
  Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main
Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
J'oublie mon chagrin
Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri
Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit
  The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh
while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I
   
  I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each 
vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 
   
  I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was 
exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he 
was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. 
   
  When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel 
got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I 
went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out 
like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she 
didn't move. 
   
  I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he 
talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would 
always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he 
thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay 
before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. 
   
  I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would 
need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her 
head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling 
you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - 
over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. 

  I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband 
called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked 
out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again when we got her 
ashes.
   
  That night I could not relax to sleep. Eventually I felt (and you may think 
me crazy) her presence in the room. I felt a warmth on my chest

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[Sherry DeHaan]

Marylyn I know Maizee visited me on several ocassions and it did make me feel 
loved.And I believe Maizee had a paw in my 4 boys and baby girl to pick me too.
  Sherry

Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You are not crazy.  Many people have their little friends visit.  Some of 
mine visit regularly.  And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who 
comes into my life next.  My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way 
around.  
   
  Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and 
Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+)   Bother liked cold tile during their 
last days.  
   
  And yes, death can be beautiful.  It is simply a very painful pause for those 
of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next.  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: Jenna 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry 
butplease indulge
  

  im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers.
   
  It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying 
remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope 
it helps you.
   
  My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way 
though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable 
and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen 
people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more 
beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that 
experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened 
with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from 
the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, 
if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not 
something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It 
doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with.
   
  She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want 
to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and 
paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- 
which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark 
tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it 
was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a 
relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The 
song is Tell me on a sunday. 
   
  Don't write a letter when you want to leave
Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
I'd like to choose how I hear the news
Take me to a park that's covered with trees
Tell me on a Sunday please
   
  Don't leave in silence with no word at all
Don't get drunk and slam the door
That's no way to end this
I know how I want you to say goodbye
Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
Tell me on a Sunday please
   
  That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very 
heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her 
Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the  first time all weekend she 
raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her 
and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. 
   
  The song goes:
  Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main
Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
J'oublie mon chagrin
Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri
Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit
  The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh
while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I
   
  I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each 
vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 
   
  I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was 
exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he 
was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. 
   
  When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel 
got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I 
went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out 
like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she 
didn't move. 
   
  I went out side

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

[glenda Goodman]

Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I
feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a
lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on
just how to take care of our little guys better and
signs to look for. I have been checking all my
kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected,
my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed
out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that
said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the
anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my
vet about what it is and can I have some right now...
I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to
these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple
months ago.
Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if
he is getting weaker and you have tried through
supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
love him. 
I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to
share their experience with you...I will be keeping
that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
that precious support, that can only come from people
who really understand...
My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda  
--- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my
 prayers.

   It feels odd to write about this now as my husband
 and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
 calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
 helps you.

   My baby died at home. That was important to me,
 and i wanted it that way though my husband was very
 caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
 and not with people she was afraid of and being
 stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
 screaming and while in trauma that might be more
 beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes
 it harder. So after that experience (this was with
 my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened
 with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
 peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
 where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be
 beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject
 this statement because it is not something most want
 to think about, I can say that I do agree with it.
 It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier
 for me to deal with.

   She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
 didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
 prime she was very talkative and loved being held
 and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
 stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a
 relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a
 dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
 started having a feeling that it was going to be on
 sunday because i started getting a song in my head
 about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of
 love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on
 a sunday. 

   Don't write a letter when you want to leave
 Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
 I'd like to choose how I hear the news
 Take me to a park that's covered with trees
 Tell me on a Sunday please

   Don't leave in silence with no word at all
 Don't get drunk and slam the door
 That's no way to end this
 I know how I want you to say goodbye
 Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
 Tell me on a Sunday please

   That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and
 she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very
 diated. I bent down around her and sang her
 Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the 
 first time all weekend she raised her head and
 looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved
 her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a
 feeling that she understood. 

   The song goes:
   Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche
 ma main
 Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
 J'oublie mon chagrin
 Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse
 mal nourri
 Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui
 m'anéantit
   The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched
 sigh
 while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and
 I

   I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her,
 even though I could feel each vertebrate of her
 little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 

   I went back to the living room and laid down, but
 didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went
 into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he
 was talking with her. When he was done, I could see
 he had been crying. 

   When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20
 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and
 would not settle down. She was upset about
 something. I went into the bathroom and found

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[Pat Kachur]

I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people 
undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised.  There are 
some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have 
been hurt by the drug.
Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after 
seeing them almost every day for a while.



- Original Message - 
From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry 
butplease indulge




Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I
feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a
lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on
just how to take care of our little guys better and
signs to look for. I have been checking all my
kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected,
my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed
out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that
said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the
anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my
vet about what it is and can I have some right now...
I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to
these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple
months ago.
Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if
he is getting weaker and you have tried through
supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
love him.
I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to
share their experience with you...I will be keeping
that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
that precious support, that can only come from people
who really understand...
My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda
--- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my
prayers.

  It feels odd to write about this now as my husband
and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
helps you.

  My baby died at home. That was important to me,
and i wanted it that way though my husband was very
caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
and not with people she was afraid of and being
stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
screaming and while in trauma that might be more
beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes
it harder. So after that experience (this was with
my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened
with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be
beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject
this statement because it is not something most want
to think about, I can say that I do agree with it.
It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier
for me to deal with.

  She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
prime she was very talkative and loved being held
and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a
relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a
dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
started having a feeling that it was going to be on
sunday because i started getting a song in my head
about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of
love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on
a sunday.

  Don't write a letter when you want to leave
Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
I'd like to choose how I hear the news
Take me to a park that's covered with trees
Tell me on a Sunday please

  Don't leave in silence with no word at all
Don't get drunk and slam the door
That's no way to end this
I know how I want you to say goodbye
Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
Tell me on a Sunday please

  That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and
she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very
diated. I bent down around her and sang her
Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the
first time all weekend she raised her head and
looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved
her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a
feeling that she understood.

  The song goes:
  Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche
ma main
Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
J'oublie mon chagrin
Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse
mal nourri
Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui
m'anéantit
  The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched
sigh
while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and
I

  I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her,
even though I could feel each vertebrate

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

[glenda Goodman]

Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
trying to find this stuff for me under iron
supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has
always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
hands...If it were not for this list I might not have
noticed...
Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
Procrit...Glenda
--- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug
 used to help people 
 undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
 compromised.  There are 
 some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
 people who say they have 
 been hurt by the drug.
 Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
 couple of months after 
 seeing them almost every day for a while.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
 Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
 long letter- sorry 
 butplease indulge
 
 
  Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
 and I
  feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
  little Moeman might be fading away. You have
 learned a
  lot for the time you have been here. I know I have
 on
  just how to take care of our little guys better
 and
  signs to look for. I have been checking all my
  kittie's gums this morning and just like I
 suspected,
  my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
 seemed
  out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
  FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
  tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
  supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it
 that
  said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with
 the
  anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am
 asking my
  vet about what it is and can I have some right
 now...
  I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks
 to
  these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a
 couple
  months ago.
  Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
  stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
  have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and
 if
  he is getting weaker and you have tried through
  supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
  love him.
  I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
  beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her
 husband to
  share their experience with you...I will be
 keeping
  that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
  that precious support, that can only come from
 people
  who really understand...
  My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda
  --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in
 my
  prayers.
 
It feels odd to write about this now as my
 husband
  and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
  calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
  helps you.
 
My baby died at home. That was important to me,
  and i wanted it that way though my husband was
 very
  caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
  and not with people she was afraid of and being
  stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
  screaming and while in trauma that might be more
  beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it
 makes
  it harder. So after that experience (this was
 with
  my grandmother) I told myself that if this
 happened
  with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
  peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
  where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be
  beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may
 reject
  this statement because it is not something most
 want
  to think about, I can say that I do agree with
 it.
  It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it
 easier
  for me to deal with.
 
She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
  didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
  prime she was very talkative and loved being held
  and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
  stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was
 a
  relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was
 a
  dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
  started having a feeling that it was going to be
 on
  sunday because i started getting a song in my
 head
  about a relationship ending that is from Aspects
 of
  love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me
 on
  a sunday.
 
Don't write a letter when you want to leave
  Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
  I'd like to choose how I hear the news
  Take me to a park that's covered with trees
  Tell me on a Sunday please
 
Don't leave in silence with no word at all
  Don't get drunk and slam the door
  That's no way to end this
  I know how I want you to say goodbye
  Find a circus ring

To Jenna: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

[wendy]

Jenna,

Your story about beautiful Satine made me cry.  I mean this in a good way.  
Thanks for sharing.

:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49:04 PM
Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but 
please indulge


im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers.
 
It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying 
remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope 
it helps you.
 
My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though 
my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not 
with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go 
kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the 
case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was 
with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i 
wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros 
where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. 
Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to 
think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, 
but it made it easier for me to deal with.
 
She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to 
be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded 
around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which 
actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar 
color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was 
going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a 
relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The 
song is Tell me on a sunday. 
 
Don't write a letter when you want to leave
Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
I'd like to choose how I hear the news
Take me to a park that's covered with trees
Tell me on a Sunday please
 
Don't leave in silence with no word at all
Don't get drunk and slam the door
That's no way to end this
I know how I want you to say goodbye
Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
Tell me on a Sunday please
 
That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. 
Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La 
Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the  first time all weekend she raised her head 
and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted 
to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. 
 
The song goes:
Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main
Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
J'oublie mon chagrin
Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri
Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit
The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh
while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I
 
I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each 
vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 
 
I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was 
exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he 
was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. 
 
When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got 
very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went 
into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like 
she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she 
didn't move. 
 
I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he 
talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would 
always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he 
thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay 
before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. 
 
I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need 
it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head 
fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you 
this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - 
over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. 

I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband 
called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked 
out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again

Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Gloria Lane]

Terri, just going back and reading some of the messages I've missed.   
Sure sorry to hear about your husband, and hope all is going well.   
Thoughts and prayers coming for you.


Gloria


On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups  
I'm on)


Hello all,
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can  
happen when you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at  
a distance.

It is very dangerous.

Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a  
brush mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was  
looking for items that may have been sticking out of the ground  
that the mower didn't get.


Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he  
seen it at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock  
hit him on his right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two  
places. I had to call 911 for help he was bleeding and going into  
shock. He was taken to the hospital and had x-rays done on him. The  
time was around noontime that this happened.


My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency  
surgery on him.
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and  
other bone surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it  
look like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was  
returned back to his room about 9:15 pm last night.
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially  
below the elbow.
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was  
floating in his arm.

Did what he could do for him at this point.
Only time will tell.

Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in  
the 60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He  
has a tube in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the  
infection and excess blood from the area. He is also on two  
different IV lines for the loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is  
being monitored closely.

I did noticed his blood pressure was high.
So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of  
the damage and try to repair more of his arm.


By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got  
injured.


Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder  
surgeries on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work  
for light duty on the 19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after  
being off for almost a year.

Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.

Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm.
That he makes full recovery.

Terrie Mohr-Forker

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Re: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[wendy]

Terrie,

Still praying for your hubby.  I hope the third
surgery went well.  Please keep us posted on his
progress.

:)
Wendy

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



   

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RE: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Praying for your husband's full recovery, Terrie. I'm glad he has you
beside him to give him the strength he needs at this traumatic time. 
Please know my thoughts are with you both.  much love and big hugs,
Kerry

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is
long...sorry!


(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other
groups I'm on)
 

Hello all, 
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can
happen when you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a
distance. 
It is very dangerous.
 
Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that
had a brush mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was
looking for items that may have been sticking out of the ground that the
mower didn't get.
 
Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said
he seen it at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock
hit him on his right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two
places. I had to call 911 for help he was bleeding and going into shock.
He was taken to the hospital and had x-rays done on him. The time was
around noontime that this happened.
 
My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do
emergency surgery on him. 
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and
other bone surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it
look like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was
returned back to his room about 9:15 pm last night. 
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially
below the elbow. 
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was
floating in his arm. 
Did what he could do for him at this point. 
Only time will tell.
 
Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood
in the 60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has
a tube in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection
and excess blood from the area. He is also on two different IV lines for
the loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 
I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of
the damage and try to repair more of his arm.
 
By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got
injured.
 
Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder
surgeries on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for
light duty on the 19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work
after being off for almost a year.
Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.
 
Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 
That he makes full recovery.
 
Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
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Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[TatorBunz]

Hi all,
I wanted to update you all of what's been going on with my  husband.
My husband is on a lot of pain meds and is cantankerous. He  isn't a happy 
camper.
I have been at the hospital a lot and it is showing. I'm so  tired when I do 
get home I'm only sleeping a few hours. I keep waking up then  decide to get 
up and go back to the hospital. Of course feed the animals and  such before 
leaving.
 
On Friday the Drs. did the second surgery to look at the  area and decide on 
what they are going to do. They cleanse the area and to check  for new tissue 
growth.
There is a lot of muscle and skin tissue damage plus the one  bone is not 
connected due to it being shattered. They put a fresh VAC tube in  him and 
closed 
him up.
Came out to talk to me and said he needs to have a bone and  skin grafts 
done. ASAP
The Dr. said they would use a bone donor or take bone from his  hip and take 
skin from his thigh area.
This would the next surgery. The third surgery is  today.
My husband is still not out of danger yet. 
The Drs. are working hard to help and save his  arm.
So please keep your prayers  coming...thanks!
God bless you all.
 
Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE   COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
_https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) 


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(http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) 

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(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) 

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(http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) 

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Re: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it islong...sorry!

[C J]

I know this must be a very difficult time for you.  Praying your husband stays 
strong and is able to keep his arm.

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it 
islong...sorry!


  Hi all,
  I wanted to update you all of what's been going on with my husband.
  My husband is on a lot of pain meds and is cantankerous. He isn't a happy 
camper.
  I have been at the hospital a lot and it is showing. I'm so tired when I do 
get home I'm only sleeping a few hours. I keep waking up then decide to get up 
and go back to the hospital. Of course feed the animals and such before leaving.

  On Friday the Drs. did the second surgery to look at the area and decide on 
what they are going to do. They cleanse the area and to check for new tissue 
growth.
  There is a lot of muscle and skin tissue damage plus the one bone is not 
connected due to it being shattered. They put a fresh VAC tube in him and 
closed him up.
  Came out to talk to me and said he needs to have a bone and skin grafts done. 
ASAP
  The Dr. said they would use a bone donor or take bone from his hip and take 
skin from his thigh area.
  This would the next surgery. The third surgery is today.
  My husband is still not out of danger yet. 
  The Drs. are working hard to help and save his arm.
  So please keep your prayers coming...thanks!
  God bless you all.

  Terrie Mohr-Forker

  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
  SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
  Donations accepted at:
  https://www.paypal.com/


  http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

  http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

  http://www.felineleukemia.org/

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Re: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Leslie Lawther]

*Terrie - you are both in our prayers... *
**hugs**
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 6/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 *Hi all,*
*I wanted to update you all of what's been going on with my husband.*
*My husband is on a lot of pain meds and is cantankerous. He isn't a happy
camper.*
*I have been at the hospital a lot and it is showing. I'm so tired when I
do get home I'm only sleeping a few hours. I keep waking up then decide to
get up and go back to the hospital. Of course feed the animals and such
before leaving.*
**
*On Friday the Drs. did the second surgery to look at the area and decide
on what they are going to do. They cleanse the area and to check for new
tissue growth.*
*There is a lot of muscle and skin tissue damage plus the one bone is not
connected due to it being shattered. They put a fresh VAC tube in him and
closed him up.*
*Came out to talk to me and said he needs to have a bone and skin grafts
done. ASAP*
*The Dr. said they would use a bone donor or take bone from his hip and
take skin from his thigh area.*
*This would the next surgery. The third surgery is today.*
*My husband is still not out of danger yet. *
*The Drs. are working hard to help and save his arm.*
*So please keep your prayers coming...thanks!*
*God bless you all.*

*Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/*


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

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Re: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[elizabeth trent]

Thank you for the update -- my prayers are still with you.

elizabeth


On 6/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 *Hi all,*
*I wanted to update you all of what's been going on with my husband.*
*My husband is on a lot of pain meds and is cantankerous. He isn't a happy
camper.*
*I have been at the hospital a lot and it is showing. I'm so tired when I
do get home I'm only sleeping a few hours. I keep waking up then decide to
get up and go back to the hospital. Of course feed the animals and such
before leaving.*
**
*On Friday the Drs. did the second surgery to look at the area and decide
on what they are going to do. They cleanse the area and to check for new
tissue growth.*
*There is a lot of muscle and skin tissue damage plus the one bone is not
connected due to it being shattered. They put a fresh VAC tube in him and
closed him up.*
*Came out to talk to me and said he needs to have a bone and skin grafts
done. ASAP*
*The Dr. said they would use a bone donor or take bone from his hip and
take skin from his thigh area.*
*This would the next surgery. The third surgery is today.*
*My husband is still not out of danger yet. *
*The Drs. are working hard to help and save his arm.*
*So please keep your prayers coming...thanks!*
*God bless you all.*

*Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/*


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

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Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Belinda]

Terrie,
   Boy you guys have had a real bad run on things not going right.  I 
hope hubby makes a swift, full recovery.  He is strong so he'll be fine, 
keep your chin up, things are going to get better ...  Sending positive 
prayers for his recovery.


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Re: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[C J]

I am praying for your husband and hoping he can recover fully.  

Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:40 AM
  Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!


  (I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm on)

  Hello all, 
  I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen when you 
get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance. 
  It is very dangerous.

  Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a brush 
mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking for items 
that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't get.

  Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen it at 
the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him on his right 
arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call 911 for help 
he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital and had 
x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this happened.

  My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency surgery on 
him. 
  I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other bone 
surgeries.
  One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look like a 
gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned back to his 
room about 9:15 pm last night. 
  The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below the 
elbow. 
  He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating in 
his arm. 
  Did what he could do for him at this point. 
  Only time will tell.

  Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the 60's 
from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube in him that 
they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess blood from the 
area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood and for 
antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 
  I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
  So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
  He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the damage 
and try to repair more of his arm.

  By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured.

  Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries on 
the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty on the 19th 
of this month.
  Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being off 
for almost a year.
  Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.

  Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 
  That he makes full recovery.

  Terrie Mohr-Forker

  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
  SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
  Donations accepted at:
  https://www.paypal.com/


  http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

  http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

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Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Sheila208]

Terrie ,I'm praying for a full and speedy recovery for your husband. Stay 
strong for him and your babies. I know it is hard to understand why these 
things 
happen. Sometimes it seems we have more than our share of the pain.  Sheila 



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OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[TatorBunz]

(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other  groups I'm on)
 
 
Hello all, 
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what  can happen when 
you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a  distance. 
It is very dangerous.
 
Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that  had a brush 
mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking  for items 
that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't  get.
 
Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said  he seen it 
at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him  on his 
right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call  911 
for 
help he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital  and 
had x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this  happened.
 
My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do  emergency surgery 
on him. 
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements  and other bone 
surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said  it look like a 
gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned  back to his 
room about 9:15 pm last night. 
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm  especially below the 
elbow. 
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was  floating in 
his arm. 
Did what he could do for him at this point. 
Only time will tell.
 
Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted  blood in the 60's 
from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a  tube in him 
that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess  blood from 
the area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood  and for 
antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 
I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
So he will be in the hospital for at least some  time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more  of the damage 
and try to repair more of his arm.
 
By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got  injured.
 
Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder  surgeries on 
the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty  on the 
19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work  after being off 
for almost a year.
Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to  do.
 
Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 
That he makes full  recovery.

 
Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE   COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
_https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) 


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(http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) 

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RE: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Oh, Lord, Terrie!  What a mess!  Best wishes that your husband makes a
full recovery!
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!


(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm
on)
 
Hello all, 
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen
when you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance.

It is very dangerous.
 
Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a
brush mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was
looking for items that may have been sticking out of the ground that the
mower didn't get.
 
Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen
it at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him
on his right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had
to call 911 for help he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken
to the hospital and had x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime
that this happened.
 
My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency
surgery on him. 
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other
bone surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look
like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned
back to his room about 9:15 pm last night. 
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below
the elbow. 
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating
in his arm. 
Did what he could do for him at this point. 
Only time will tell.
 
Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the
60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube
in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and
excess blood from the area. He is also on two different IV lines for the
loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 
I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the
damage and try to repair more of his arm.
 
By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured.
 
Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries
on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty
on the 19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being
off for almost a year.
Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.
 
Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 
That he makes full recovery.
 
Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

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RE: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Doljan, Joan]

Terrie,
 
I am so sorry to read about your husband's accident. Here's hoping that
he will make a full recovery soon.
 
Joan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:40 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is
long...sorry!



(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other
groups I'm on)
 

Hello all, 
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can
happen when you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a
distance. 
It is very dangerous.
 
Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that
had a brush mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was
looking for items that may have been sticking out of the ground that the
mower didn't get.
 
Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said
he seen it at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock
hit him on his right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two
places. I had to call 911 for help he was bleeding and going into shock.
He was taken to the hospital and had x-rays done on him. The time was
around noontime that this happened.
 
My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do
emergency surgery on him. 
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and
other bone surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it
look like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was
returned back to his room about 9:15 pm last night. 
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially
below the elbow. 
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was
floating in his arm. 
Did what he could do for him at this point. 
Only time will tell.
 
Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood
in the 60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has
a tube in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection
and excess blood from the area. He is also on two different IV lines for
the loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 
I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of
the damage and try to repair more of his arm.
 
By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got
injured.
 
Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder
surgeries on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for
light duty on the 19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work
after being off for almost a year.
Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.
 
Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 
That he makes full recovery.
 
Terrie Mohr-Forker

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SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
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RE: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Melissa Lind]

Terrie,

 

My thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family today and in the
coming weeks. Sending good vibes your way.

 

Melissa

 

I also appreciated the information-I will tell my husband as well.

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

 

(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm on)

 

Hello all, 

I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen when
you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance. 

It is very dangerous.

 

Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a brush
mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking for
items that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't
get.

 

Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen it
at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him on his
right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call 911
for help he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital
and had x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this happened.

 

My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency surgery
on him. 

I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other bone
surgeries.

One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look like a
gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned back to his
room about 9:15 pm last night. 

The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below the
elbow. 

He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating in
his arm. 

Did what he could do for him at this point. 

Only time will tell.

 

Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the 60's
from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube in him
that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess blood
from the area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood
and for antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 

I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 

So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.

He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the damage
and try to repair more of his arm.

 

By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured.

 

Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries on
the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty on the
19th of this month.

Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being off
for almost a year.

Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.

 

Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 

That he makes full recovery.

 

Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/


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Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[elizabeth trent]

This is terrible!  I'll be saying prayers for all of you and also that he
makes a full recovery.  Please keep us posted.

elizabeth


On 6/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 *(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm
on)*
**
* Hello all,
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen when
you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance.
It is very dangerous.

Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a brush
mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking for
items that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't
get.

Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen it
at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him on his
right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call 911
for help he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital
and had x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this happened.

My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency surgery
on him.
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other
bone surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look like
a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned back to
his room about 9:15 pm last night.
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below the
elbow.
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating
in his arm.
Did what he could do for him at this point.
Only time will tell.

Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the
60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube in
him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess blood
from the area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood
and for antibiotics. He is being monitored closely.
I did noticed his blood pressure was high.
So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the
damage and try to repair more of his arm.

By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured.

Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries
on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty on
the 19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being
off for almost a year.
Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.

Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm.
That he makes full recovery.
*

*Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/*


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http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

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RE: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[wendy]

Terrie,

What a crazy thing to happen!  Who would have known?! 
I am so sorry your hubby is in such bad shape.  I'm
praying he heals up quickly and effortlessly!

:)
Wendy

--- Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Terrie,
  
 I am so sorry to read about your husband's accident.
 Here's hoping that
 he will make a full recovery soon.
  
 Joan
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:40 AM
   To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my
 hubby..it is
 long...sorry!
   
   
   
   (I want apologized if you have already seen this
 from other
 groups I'm on)

   
   Hello all, 
   I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert
 of what can
 happen when you get behind brush mowers whether it's
 up close or at a
 distance. 
   It is very dangerous.

   Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a
 tractor that
 had a brush mower on it which was operated by his
 friend. My husband was
 looking for items that may have been sticking out of
 the ground that the
 mower didn't get.

   Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my
 husband said
 he seen it at the corner of his eye. By then it was
 too late. The rock
 hit him on his right arm below the elbow and broke
 his arm in two
 places. I had to call 911 for help he was bleeding
 and going into shock.
 He was taken to the hospital and had x-rays done on
 him. The time was
 around noontime that this happened.

   My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had
 to do
 emergency surgery on him. 
   I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee
 replacements and
 other bone surgeries.
   One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm
 and he said it
 look like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery
 about 5 pm was
 returned back to his room about 9:15 pm last night. 
   The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his
 arm especially
 below the elbow. 
   He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of
 the bone was
 floating in his arm. 
   Did what he could do for him at this point. 
   Only time will tell.

   Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from
 tainted blood
 in the 60's from a blood transfusion he is
 considered high risk. He has
 a tube in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck
 all the infection
 and excess blood from the area. He is also on two
 different IV lines for
 the loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is being
 monitored closely. 
   I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
   So he will be in the hospital for at least some
 time.
   He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to
 check out more of
 the damage and try to repair more of his arm.

   By the way my husband is right handed this is the
 arm that got
 injured.

   Some of you already know he just had two recent
 right shoulder
 surgeries on the same arm. He was supposed to return
 back to work for
 light duty on the 19th of this month.
   Believe it or not he was looking forward going back
 to work
 after being off for almost a year.
   Now that this has happened I don't know what we are
 going to do.

   Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his
 arm. 
   That he makes full recovery.

   Terrie Mohr-Forker
   
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   SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
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Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[Sherry DeHaan]

Wow!! Terrie that is horrible.Of course I will send good thoughts and prayers 
to him.
  Sherry

elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is terrible!  I'll be saying prayers for all of you and also that he 
makes a full recovery.  Please keep us posted.
   
  elizabeth

 
  On 6/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   (I want 
apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm on)
   
Hello all, 
  I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen when you 
get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance. 
  It is very dangerous.
   
  Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a brush 
mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking for items 
that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't get. 
   
  Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen it at 
the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him on his right 
arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call 911 for help 
he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital and had 
x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this happened. 
   
  My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency surgery on 
him. 
  I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other bone 
surgeries.
  One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look like a 
gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned back to his 
room about 9:15 pm last night. 
  The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below the 
elbow. 
  He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating in 
his arm. 
  Did what he could do for him at this point. 
  Only time will tell.
   
  Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the 60's 
from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube in him that 
they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess blood from the 
area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood and for 
antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 
  I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 
  So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
  He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the damage 
and try to repair more of his arm.
   
  By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured.
   
  Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries on 
the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty on the 19th 
of this month.
  Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being off 
for almost a year.
  Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.
   
  Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 
  That he makes full recovery.

   
  Terrie Mohr-Forker

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SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
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RE: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

[catatonya]

Terrie,
   
  You and your husband will be in my prayers.
  tonya

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Terrie,
   
  My thoughts and prayers will be with you and your family today and in the 
coming weeks. Sending good vibes your way…
   
  Melissa
   
  I also appreciated the information—I will tell my husband as well.
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

   
(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups I'm on)

 

  Hello all, 

I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can happen when 
you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at a distance. 

It is very dangerous.

 

Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a brush 
mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was looking for items 
that may have been sticking out of the ground that the mower didn't get.

 

Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he seen it 
at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock hit him on his 
right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two places. I had to call 911 
for help he was bleeding and going into shock. He was taken to the hospital and 
had x-rays done on him. The time was around noontime that this happened.

 

My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency surgery 
on him. 

I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and other bone 
surgeries.

One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it look like 
a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was returned back to his 
room about 9:15 pm last night. 

The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially below the 
elbow. 

He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was floating in 
his arm. 

Did what he could do for him at this point. 

Only time will tell.

 

Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in the 
60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He has a tube in him 
that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the infection and excess blood from 
the area. He is also on two different IV lines for the loss of blood and for 
antibiotics. He is being monitored closely. 

I did noticed his blood pressure was high. 

So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.

He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of the damage 
and try to repair more of his arm.

 

By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got injured.

 

Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder surgeries on 
the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work for light duty on the 19th 
of this month.

Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after being off 
for almost a year.

Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.

 

Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm. 

That he makes full recovery.


 

Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue

http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html

http://www.felineleukemia.org/

http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html

http://www.petloss.com/

  


  
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Giardia treatments (was: sorry for the wrong reply)

[Nina]

Thank you very much for the information Belinda!  I've archived it, 
hopefully I'll never need it.

N

Belinda wrote:
OK apparently the drotal wasn't for Kisa but MeMe for giardia, this is 
what I found on treatment for giardia, Joey has had this and did not 
get drontal for that, he got pancuer.  This is written by a vet, Dr Mike:


http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cgiardia.html

The recommendations for eliminating giardia from a multiple cat 
household are somewhat forbidding. It is considered to be best to 
treat all the cats with fenbendazole (Panacur Rx) at 50mg/kg once a 
day for 3 days. Then move the cats to an area that has been cleaned 
thoroughly and disinfected with quaternary ammonium disinfectant or 
steam cleaned. Then steam clean or disinfect the part of the house 
the cats were previously living in. Bathe all the cats, clipping long 
haired cats if necessary to ensure removal of all fecal material from 
their hair. It is supposed to be safe to disinfect cats with the 
quaternary ammonium disinfectant (Barr et. al., May 1994 Compenium on 
Continuing Education) but I have to admit that I wouldn't want to 
recommend that to most of my clients. Put the cats back into the 
original area several days after it is cleaned and allowed to dry 
thoroughly. Administer fenbendazole again. Repeat the process until 
the infection is permanently cleared from the household. If cats can 
become re-exposed from a contaminated water source it may be 
impossible to completely control giardia infection. You might want to 
consider the vaccination for giardia in that circumstance (cuts down 
on shedding, decreases diarrhea, doesn't prevent infection in most 
cats) and/or routine use of fenbendazole on a schedule that seems 
reasonable to you and your vet. Any new cats should be treated with 
fenbendazole prior to their introduction into the household.


The briefer answer to your question is that if you clean the bowls 
well then really air dry them thoroughly, they should not be a 
contamination source. If you want to be extra careful, pour boiling 
water in them, wash them in the dishwasher and/or use disinfectants 
on them. Unless there is something really strange going on in your 
water system, there should be no way that washing the bowls 
contaminants the rest of the household water supply --- although it 
theoretically might expose you to infection directly and the sink 
could be contaminated and serve as a method of spreading the infection.


I hope this is helpful.

Mike Richards, DVM
4/6/2002 
Here is a site that say's Drontal has been shown to be effective 
against giardia as well as other drugs that work, but if it is causing 
nausea and vomiting maybe something else would be better:


http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/Giardia.html

*Overview*  

Giardia is a protozoan parasite found all over the world.  It can 
affect humans, most types of domesticated mammals, and birds. The 
parasite lives in the intestinal tract and causes damage to the 
intestines.  Giardia can affect either sex, and any breed, although 
it is most commonly seen in young animals and animals confined 
together in groups, such as in kennels, shelters, and pet stores.  
Although most cases of human Giardia point to other sources of 
infection (person-to-person contact, or by contaminated water), 
animals do harbor strains of Giardia that are infective to humans, 
and animal to human transmission is theoretically possible.


Diarrhea is the most common sign of infection.  Some animals may 
vomit in addition to the diarrhea.  Weight loss may occur secondary 
to the diarrhea.   In many instances, a cat may be infected with 
Giardia, but show no clinical signs at all.  

There are several ways to diagnose Giardia infection.  The most 
common methods involve analysis of a fecal sample.  Direct analysis 
of a fecal sample may lead to a quick diagnosis.  A fecal sample can 
also be sent to a diagnostic laboratory for more sophisticated 
immunology-based diagnostic tests.* *



  *Treatment *

Several drugs have been used to treat Giardia infections.  
Antiparasitic drugs are the mainstay of therapy, however, additional 
measures, such as adding extra fiber to the diet, can help hasten 
recovery.* *


Metrodinazole (Flagyl) has been used extensively to treat Giardia in 
dogs and cats, as well as in people.  This drug has reasonable 
efficacy, and has an added advantage of being effective against other 
protozoans and some bacteria that might also be contributing to the 
diarrhea.  Side effects involving the nervous system have been 
reported in some animals, although this is uncommon.  Fenbendazole 
(Panacur) is a dewormer that kills common worms such as hookworms, 
roundworms, and whipworms.  When given at the normal deworming dose, 
fenbendazole is also very effective in treating Giardia.  This drug 
is very safe and fairly inexpensive.  Praziquantel/pyrantel/febantel 
(Drontal Plus) is a combination dewormer that treats hookworms, 

Re: sorry for the wrong reply

[Belinda]

OK apparently the drotal wasn't for Kisa but MeMe for giardia, this is 
what I found on treatment for giardia, Joey has had this and did not get 
drontal for that, he got pancuer.  This is written by a vet, Dr Mike:


http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cgiardia.html

The recommendations for eliminating giardia from a multiple cat 
household are somewhat forbidding. It is considered to be best to 
treat all the cats with fenbendazole (Panacur Rx) at 50mg/kg once a 
day for 3 days. Then move the cats to an area that has been cleaned 
thoroughly and disinfected with quaternary ammonium disinfectant or 
steam cleaned. Then steam clean or disinfect the part of the house the 
cats were previously living in. Bathe all the cats, clipping long 
haired cats if necessary to ensure removal of all fecal material from 
their hair. It is supposed to be safe to disinfect cats with the 
quaternary ammonium disinfectant (Barr et. al., May 1994 Compenium on 
Continuing Education) but I have to admit that I wouldn't want to 
recommend that to most of my clients. Put the cats back into the 
original area several days after it is cleaned and allowed to dry 
thoroughly. Administer fenbendazole again. Repeat the process until 
the infection is permanently cleared from the household. If cats can 
become re-exposed from a contaminated water source it may be 
impossible to completely control giardia infection. You might want to 
consider the vaccination for giardia in that circumstance (cuts down 
on shedding, decreases diarrhea, doesn't prevent infection in most 
cats) and/or routine use of fenbendazole on a schedule that seems 
reasonable to you and your vet. Any new cats should be treated with 
fenbendazole prior to their introduction into the household.


The briefer answer to your question is that if you clean the bowls 
well then really air dry them thoroughly, they should not be a 
contamination source. If you want to be extra careful, pour boiling 
water in them, wash them in the dishwasher and/or use disinfectants on 
them. Unless there is something really strange going on in your water 
system, there should be no way that washing the bowls contaminants the 
rest of the household water supply --- although it theoretically might 
expose you to infection directly and the sink could be contaminated 
and serve as a method of spreading the infection.


I hope this is helpful.

Mike Richards, DVM
4/6/2002 
Here is a site that say's Drontal has been shown to be effective against 
giardia as well as other drugs that work, but if it is causing nausea 
and vomiting maybe something else would be better:


http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/Giardia.html

*Overview*  

Giardia is a protozoan parasite found all over the world.  It can 
affect humans, most types of domesticated mammals, and birds. The 
parasite lives in the intestinal tract and causes damage to the 
intestines.  Giardia can affect either sex, and any breed, although it 
is most commonly seen in young animals and animals confined together 
in groups, such as in kennels, shelters, and pet stores.  Although 
most cases of human Giardia point to other sources of infection 
(person-to-person contact, or by contaminated water), animals do 
harbor strains of Giardia that are infective to humans, and animal to 
human transmission is theoretically possible.


Diarrhea is the most common sign of infection.  Some animals may vomit 
in addition to the diarrhea.  Weight loss may occur secondary to the 
diarrhea.   In many instances, a cat may be infected with Giardia, but 
show no clinical signs at all.  

There are several ways to diagnose Giardia infection.  The most common 
methods involve analysis of a fecal sample.  Direct analysis of a 
fecal sample may lead to a quick diagnosis.  A fecal sample can also 
be sent to a diagnostic laboratory for more sophisticated 
immunology-based diagnostic tests.* *



  *Treatment *

Several drugs have been used to treat Giardia infections.  
Antiparasitic drugs are the mainstay of therapy, however, additional 
measures, such as adding extra fiber to the diet, can help hasten 
recovery.* *


Metrodinazole (Flagyl) has been used extensively to treat Giardia in 
dogs and cats, as well as in people.  This drug has reasonable 
efficacy, and has an added advantage of being effective against other 
protozoans and some bacteria that might also be contributing to the 
diarrhea.  Side effects involving the nervous system have been 
reported in some animals, although this is uncommon.  Fenbendazole 
(Panacur) is a dewormer that kills common worms such as hookworms, 
roundworms, and whipworms.  When given at the normal deworming dose, 
fenbendazole is also very effective in treating Giardia.  This drug is 
very safe and fairly inexpensive.  Praziquantel/pyrantel/febantel 
(Drontal Plus) is a combination dewormer that treats hookworms, 
roundworms, whipworms and tapeworms.  Recent studies show that it is 
effective against Giardia as well. 


--

Belinda

sorry for the wrong reply

[Kelly L]

sorry guys, I was replying to cassandra about Kissa  rather than Hideyo

Bt the way. Please pass on to Hideyo that is is absolutely wonderful 
news and I bet she will be sleeping better!!

Kelly

Re: sorry for the wrong reply

[Nina]

I figured that out.  The Drontal reference was about Jane and her baby 
MeMe.  MeMe has been prescribed Drontal for Giardia.


I'll let Hideyo know how pleased you were to hear about Maddie.  She'd 
have to sleep better now.  She's been staying up all night monitoring 
the drop trap for the last few nights.  You'll probably also be pleased 
to know that Hideyo didn't feel compelled to bring Maddie back home to 
her house!  Hooray Hideyo!

N

Kelly L wrote:

sorry guys, I was replying to cassandra about Kissa  rather than Hideyo

Bt the way. Please pass on to Hideyo that is is absolutely wonderful 
news and I bet she will be sleeping better!!

Kelly

OT - sorry, but need to know if Eagle Pack has been reported as tainted

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I have some left over food from the dairy farm relief effort, and my ferals
ran out of food today... long story short, I don't have a car for tomorrow
to go buy their regular stuff, but I do have this bag of Eagle Pack Breeder
Cat 30/12, just sitting here. Is it safe to feed, or has any Eagle Pack been
recalled? It does NOT contain wheat gluten or rice protein, but it does
contain Brewers Rice. Please respond directly (off list) as it's Off Topic,
I know: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources
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Re: follow-up point! thanks belinda! Re: an important reminder - sorry, kinda long:)

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

No apologies necessary, dearie.  You and your furkids are so lucky to  
have such great resources.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Apr 19, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Barb Moermond wrote:


My sincerest apologies my dear friends!!!

I keep forgetting that not everyone is as lucky as I am.  I am  
incredibly spoiled by the vets I have and their dedication to  
continuing education and openness to the information I’ve given  
them from the list.


I was speaking from the ideal in my head that all vets are like  
mine and that vets, having the lengthy education they have, are  
(supposed to be) equipped to evaluate different therapies and  
treatments and studies and then be able to make an educated,  
informed decision WITH the owner as to treatment.


Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely  
living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

- Anonymous


- Original Message 
From: Moermond, Barb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:32:12 PM
Subject: an important reminder - sorry, kinda long:)

Hey gang,

I've noticed some potentially disturbing trends in how information  
is being presented to the list as a whole; both with various  
treatments and external resources.



I think that the first thing we need to remember is that we are  
here to help each other and share experiences with the possibility  
of our past experiences providing more information for a new FeLV+  
parent to have in their decision-making arsenal.  With the high  
emotions that come with the territory, sometimes the words that  
appear on the screen aren't read with the spirit they were written  
- we're all human and should try not to be condemning of a person  
dealing with these difficult issues who makes decisions that WE, in  
all our vast knowledge and skill, would NOT have made.



Ultimately, we have to remember that it is each of us individually  
who has responsibility for his/her own furkid - we're not raising  
horses (camels!) by committee here ya know.  The asking for  
additional information (experience etc) and advice is NOT a request  
for the list to make the decision (not that every/anyone posts that  
way as a rule, but you know what I mean)!!


I think that the most important thing this list has done over the  
years is create this amazing e-family.  My Ninja passed in 1998 and  
my boys are negative and I am still here because I love you guys!   
AND to share if anything Ninja and I lived through could help  
someone else.


We need to SAY that X is what we tried and it worked for us as  
opposed to saying X WORKS!  We all know that every kit is  
different and what works for one won't for another and, as with  
mixing, it has to work for the whole family. For those of us who  
have dealt withFeLV in the past or have been living with it for a  
time, we may forget how terrifying the diagnosis can be and how  
poorly we were initially filtering information. If it isn't said in  
as many words, personal opinion and experience can be read as FACT  
and that's not fair to thenewbies. Especially considering that WE  
ARE NOT VETERINARIANS!!!



I remember when I first found out Ninja's positive status and I was  
DEVASTATED. But I found this list. I found a vet whose own cat was  
positive. I did a TON of research, but not everybody thinks to do  
that or can filter through the panic. Because we have experience,  
we can let newbies know, hey, this is a possible treatment oh,  
you live in X, I've heard great things about this clinic there  
etc.  But we should also remind everyone (especially new people)  
that they need to do their own research outside this list and  
figure out what makes the most sense to them - regardless of what  
everyone's OPINIONS on here are.



Many topics come up that have been covered in great detail in the  
archives!!  Searching the archives for additional information on  
any number of topics related to our FeLV+ kits should be one of the  
first things we do - newbies and oldies both.  There is a wealth of  
experience and information available through this group and its  
members.


Also, knowing what an amazing medium of communication the internet  
is, we have to be particularly careful in what we are saying about  
external resources, be they shelters or hospitals or clinics or  
rescue organizations or specific vets etc etc. Negative comments  
especially need to be framed in the this is MY experience with  
WXY as opposed to OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT

THEY DO AT WXY AND IT'S THEIR POLICY.

So let's all remember to share personal opinion and experience as  
such.



e.g.   we tried X and...
y didn't work for us, but z did
wxy was really helpful (or not) to me when I called for info



Further, deponent sayeth not.


We now return to your regularly scheduled list-serve

follow-up point! thanks belinda! Re: an important reminder - sorry, kinda long:)

[Barb Moermond]

My sincerest apologies my dear friends!!!

I keep forgetting that not everyone is as lucky as I am.  I am incredibly 
spoiled by the vets I have and their dedication to continuing education and 
openness to the information I’ve given them from the list.

I was speaking from the ideal in my head that all vets are like mine and that 
vets, having the lengthy education they have, are (supposed to be) equipped to 
evaluate different therapies and treatments and studies and then be able to 
make an educated, informed decision WITH the owner as to treatment.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
- Anonymous



- Original Message 
From: Moermond, Barb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:32:12 PM
Subject: an important reminder - sorry, kinda long:)


Hey gang,
I've noticed some potentially disturbing trends in how information is being 
presented to the list as a whole; both with various treatments and external 
resources.
 
I think that the first thing we need to remember is that we are here to help 
each other and share experiences with the possibility of our past experiences 
providing more information for a new FeLV+ parent to have in their 
decision-making arsenal.  With the high emotions that come with the territory, 
sometimes the words that appear on the screen aren't read with the spirit they 
were written - we're all human and should try not to be condemning of a person 
dealing with these difficult issues who makes decisions that WE, in all our 
vast knowledge and skill, would NOT have made.  
 
Ultimately, we have to remember that it is each of us individually who has 
responsibility for his/her own furkid - we're not raising horses (camels!) by 
committee here ya know.  The asking for additional information (experience etc) 
and advice is NOT a request for the list to make the decision (not that 
every/anyone posts that way as a rule, but you know what I mean)!!
I think that the most important thing this list has done over the years is 
create this amazing e-family.  My Ninja passed in 1998 and my boys are negative 
and I am still here because I love you guys!  AND to share if anything Ninja 
and I lived through could help someone else. 

We need to SAY that X is what we tried and it worked for us as opposed to 
saying X WORKS!  We all know that every kit is different and what works for 
one won't for another and, as with mixing, it has to work for the whole family. 
For those of us who have dealt with FeLV in the past or have been living with 
it for a time, we may forget how terrifying the diagnosis can be and how poorly 
we were initially filtering information. If it isn't said in as many words, 
personal opinion and experience can be read as FACT and that's not fair to the 
newbies. Especially considering that WE ARE NOT VETERINARIANS!!! 
 
I remember when I first found out Ninja's positive status and I was DEVASTATED. 
But I found this list. I found a vet whose own cat was positive. I did a TON of 
research, but not everybody thinks to do that or can filter through the panic. 
Because we have experience, we can let newbies know, hey, this is a possible 
treatment oh, you live in X, I've heard great things about this clinic there 
etc.  But we should also remind everyone (especially new people) that they need 
to do their own research outside this list and figure out what makes the most 
sense to them - regardless of what everyone's OPINIONS on here are.
 
Many topics come up that have been covered in great detail in the archives!!  
Searching the archives for additional information on any number of topics 
related to our FeLV+ kits should be one of the first things we do - newbies and 
oldies both.  There is a wealth of experience and information available through 
this group and its members.

Also, knowing what an amazing medium of communication the internet is, we have 
to be particularly careful in what we are saying about external resources, be 
they shelters or hospitals or clinics or rescue organizations or specific vets 
etc etc. Negative comments especially need to be framed in the this is MY 
experience with WXY as opposed to OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT
THEY DO AT WXY AND IT'S THEIR POLICY. 

So let's all remember to share personal opinion and experience as such. 


e.g.   we tried X and...
y didn't work for us, but z did
wxy was really helpful (or not) to me when I called for info



Further, deponent sayeth not.

We now return to your regularly scheduled list-serve.
 
 
 
-  
Barb Moermond
-
 
We don't need lists of rights and wrongs, tables of do's and don'ts: we need 
books, time, and silence.
- Philip Pullman

Re: follow-up point! thanks belinda! Re: an important reminder - sorry, kinda long:)

[elizabeth trent]

Barb,
I don't think you need to apologize.  You made some good points!  Whether
someone has access to a good vet or not -- it is always good to do your own
research.   I appreciated your post.  We all get carried away sometimes - I
know I do.  No apology needed.

elizabeth


On 4/19/07, Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  My sincerest apologies my dear friends!!!

I keep forgetting that not everyone is as lucky as I am.  I am *incredibly
* spoiled by the vets I have and their dedication to continuing education
and openness to the information I've given them from the list.

I was speaking from the ideal in my head that all vets are like mine and
that vets, having the lengthy education they have, are (supposed to be)
equipped to evaluate different therapies and treatments and studies and then
be able to make an educated, informed decision WITH the owner as to
treatment.

Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.
- Anonymous

- Original Message 
From: Moermond, Barb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:32:12 PM
Subject: an important reminder - sorry, kinda long:)

 Hey gang,

I've noticed some potentially disturbing trends in how information is
being presented to the list as a whole; both with various treatments and
external resources.



I think that the first thing we need to remember is that we are here to
help each other and share experiences with the possibility of our past
experiences providing more information for a new FeLV+ parent to have in
their decision-making arsenal.  With the high emotions that come with the
territory, sometimes the words that appear on the screen aren't read with
the spirit they were written - we're all human and should try not to be
condemning of a person dealing with these difficult issues who makes
decisions that WE, in all our vast knowledge and skill, would NOT have made.




Ultimately, we have to remember that it is each of us individually who has
responsibility for his/her own furkid - we're not raising horses (camels!)
by committee here ya know.  The asking for additional information
(experience etc) and advice is NOT a request for the list to make the
decision (not that every/anyone posts that way as a rule, but you know what
I mean)!!

I think that the most important thing this list has done over the years is
create this amazing e-family.  My Ninja passed in 1998 and my boys are
negative and I am still here because I love you guys!  AND to share if
anything Ninja and I lived through could help someone else.

We need to SAY that X is what we tried and it worked for us as opposed
to saying X WORKS!  We all know that every kit is different and what
works for one won't for another and, as with mixing, it has to work for the
whole family. For those of us who have dealt with FeLV in the past or have
been living with it for a time, we may forget how terrifying the diagnosis
can be and how poorly we were initially filtering information. If it isn't
said in as many words, personal opinion and experience can be read as FACT
and that's not fair to the newbies. Especially considering that *WE ARE
NOT VETERINARIANS!!!*



I remember when I first found out Ninja's positive status and I was
DEVASTATED. But I found this list. I found a vet whose own cat was positive.
I did a TON of research, but not everybody thinks to do that or can filter
through the panic. Because we have experience, we can let newbies know,
hey, this is a possible treatment oh, you live in X, I've heard great
things about this clinic there etc.  But we should also remind everyone
(especially new people) that they need to do their own research outside this
list and figure out what makes the most sense to them - regardless of what
everyone's OPINIONS on here are.



Many topics come up that have been covered in great detail in the
archives!!  Searching the archives for additional information on any
number of topics related to our FeLV+ kits should be one of the first
things we do - newbies and oldies both.  There is a wealth of experience
and information available through this group and its members.

Also, knowing what an amazing medium of communication the internet is, we
have to be particularly careful in what we are saying about external
resources, be they shelters or hospitals or clinics or rescue organizations
or specific vets etc etc. Negative comments especially need to be framed
in the this is MY experience with WXY as opposed to OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT
THEY DO AT WXY AND IT'S THEIR *POLICY*.

So let's all remember to share personal opinion and experience as such.

e.g.   we tried X and...
y didn't work for us, but z did
wxy was really helpful (or not) to me when I called for info


Further, deponent sayeth not.


We now return to your regularly scheduled list-serve

Re: pungent urine (totally OT now - sorry)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

You must have not been here for the now infamous toxi-feli-poo discussion.
Search the archives, LOL! Look for the subject makes men dumb, women sexy
I think that was the subject. It was totally OT. Oh heck, here it is:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24127.html
and my reply:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24129.html

So, yeah, we've been seeking a market for cat poo for a while... other than
as a dog treat, of course.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources

Re: pungent urine (totally OT now - sorry)

[elizabeth trent]

ROFL - that was a classic :0)

On 4/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 You must have not been here for the now infamous toxi-feli-poo
discussion. Search the archives, LOL! Look for the subject makes men dumb,
women sexy I think that was the subject. It was totally OT. Oh heck, here
it is:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24127.html
and my reply:
http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg24129.html

So, yeah, we've been seeking a market for cat poo for a while... other
than as a dog treat, of course.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources

Re: Lucy (michelle, bless you, I'm so sorry I have to say this to you)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I care about you, and really want you to know I say this with every bit of
compassion and care I can. I know you are suffering and confused, and
desperate. Please know I have Lucy's well-being at heart when I say this to
you...


No, you are absolutely WRONG! Oh please do NOT attempt home
euthanasia/sedation! Especially with expired drugs and old dull dirty
needles?! My god, are you listening to yourself Michelle? Please THINK, ok?
My step-dad did that with one of my mom's dogs, and it was HORRIBLE, my mom
is still permanently traumatized, she had to hold the squealing, writhing,
and miserable suffering dog all the way to the vet 30 miles away after my
step dad tried to do it at home. PLEASE leave the euthanasia to the
professionals

I think you are really at the end of your rope, and not being rational
anymore. Please believe me when I say it is MUCH better to euthanise a
little too soon than even a little too late! But, for god's sake, don't try
to do it yourself! You, yourself, in one of your last emails said it's
obvious she is suffering at times. Do you really need any more of a sign
than that? Lucy has lived a wonderful long life, full of love and good
times, it is her time to leave. You can't fight it, you can't beat it, you
can only prolong the end. The question is, is it something you SHOULD be
prolonging? Is she HAPPY right now? Can you truly say she is HAPPY, and
COMFORTABLE? Or are you just trying to convince yourself that she's Not
suffering too bad? Then you must ask, is ANY suffering good? That will be
your answer.

Bless you Michelle, I know you are in such pain, and don't want to let go or
give up on her, but you're so close to the subject that you can't get any
perspective. Please take a step back and really CONSIDER the situation.

Please take this as it's intended... I mean you no insult, but you are not
being rational anymore.

Phaewryn

Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...)

[Paolo]

My deepest excuses to you all and especially to Michelle that is having
an hard time with Lucy... tomorrow, at this precise time, will be my turn.

I would ask to anybody subscribed to the Feline Anemia group of Yahoo,
to check this issue.

When you receive the Digest (if you are in digest mode), if you click on
the Create new topic or Visit your group on the web links (bottom of
the Email), are you sent to a page where you are already logged in
(because you were authenticated by the link embedded in the very Email)
or do you need to login anyway?

I am NOT logged in, and this is definitely odd, because I am clicking on
a link embedded in an Email that I received being a legitimate subscriber
of that group... it looks sort of having been deleted from the Feline
Anemia subscribers, except for the only fact that I am still receiving the
posts. Your feedback would be the only way to understand what is really
going on.

Thank you again
Paolo

Re: Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...)

[Sally Davis]

I do not reveive the anemia group in digest form, but I do receive another
group in digest form. I did as you said it took me to my group and I clicked
post option on the menu to the leftand  it did no ask for me to log in. I am
logged into mail from last night for yahoo, but the groups have always
required a separate login. I hope this helps.

Sally


On 1/31/07, Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My deepest excuses to you all and especially to Michelle that is having
an hard time with Lucy... tomorrow, at this precise time, will be my turn.

I would ask to anybody subscribed to the Feline Anemia group of Yahoo,
to check this issue.

When you receive the Digest (if you are in digest mode), if you click on
the Create new topic or Visit your group on the web links (bottom of
the Email), are you sent to a page where you are already logged in
(because you were authenticated by the link embedded in the very Email)
or do you need to login anyway?

I am NOT logged in, and this is definitely odd, because I am clicking on
a link embedded in an Email that I received being a legitimate subscriber
of that group... it looks sort of having been deleted from the Feline
Anemia subscribers, except for the only fact that I am still receiving the
posts. Your feedback would be the only way to understand what is really
going on.

Thank you again
Paolo





--
Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story
www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html
please help us if you can
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com

Re: Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...) - FOR Paolo

[Belinda]

   Hi Paolo,
 I just saw this message posted by you this morning so you are still a 
member.  The group is set up in a way so you can't see members.  There 
is no member link there to click on.  You can check which groups you are 
in on this page, you may have to log in to do it. It should list all the 
Yahoo groups you are a member of:


http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

or if that doesn't work try this one:

http://groups.yahoo.com/

This is your message from this morning on anemia group:


TESTING... sorry folks but Yahoo does not recognize my membership to
this group any longer... :(

Paolo


Hope thi shelps you get it straightened out.

--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...) - FOR Paolo

[TenHouseCats]

paolo, if this helps, under your email addy, it says lxpra--maybe
that will help you recall your password

On 1/31/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Paolo,
  I just saw this message posted by you this morning so you are still a
member.  The group is set up in a way so you can't see members.  There
is no member link there to click on.  You can check which groups you are
in on this page, you may have to log in to do it. It should list all the
Yahoo groups you are a member of:

http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups

or if that doesn't work try this one:

http://groups.yahoo.com/

This is your message from this morning on anemia group:

 TESTING... sorry folks but Yahoo does not recognize my membership to
 this group any longer... :(

 Paolo

Hope thi shelps you get it straightened out.

--

Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

Be-Mi-Kitties
http://bemikitties.com

Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
http://adopt.bemikitties.com

FeLV Candlelight Service
http://bemikitties.com/cls

HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
http://HostDesign4U.com



BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]
http://bmk.bemikitties.com






--
Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...)

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

It depends of if your computer saved cookies or not, and if you clicked the 
remember
me box last time you logged in. If you have a cookie set, then NO, you wont 
have to
sign in if you click those links. If you didn't set a cookie then you will have 
to
log in. This will vary depending on each computer's settings, and if the user 
clicked
for it to remember them or not, as well as if you have any clean-up type 
programs on
your computer... as they delete cookies.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us
Adopt a New England FIV+ cat:
http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html
Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library):
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw!
http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html

RE: Sorry

[Sally]

Ok I did the paypal part.. I think I need help with outlook express.

 

Thanks 

 

Sally

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn
O'Gwynn
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Sorry

 

It's real easy, just log in to your paypal account, and there's a tab at the
top that says Merchant Services click on that, then when that page loads,
scroll down and on the far right-hand side of the screen is a box that's
titled Key Features, one of the links in it is donations, if you click
on that, it goes to another page where you just fill out a form with your
info (what people are donating for), make sure you click to no button so
it will create an email link, and then submit it create button now and it
makes you a link to copy, and you just put that link in your email
signature. If you use outlook express I can help you do that too, if you
don't know how.


Phaewryn

 

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RE: Sorry

[Sally]

With it being a long weekend I probably can't get back in to see the vet
until Tuesday. They did say they would refill his antibiotic. I am hoping
they are open today so I can do that. I still have the gentmycin drops and
am giving him those. He did have an ulcerated cornea is the other eye which
I assume is why he did not get the steroid drops for that eye. It has mostly
cleared up but now his good eye is infected. 

He would be blind if he lost site in this eye.  He is not eating well. Maybe
he misses Tiny. They did not get along but he still might be missing him.

 

I don't know how you do it. This is very draining emotionally and
financially. I can't get the best care because I cannot afford it. 

 

I went back to the archives and I will print Bandy's treatment for the vet
to see. I have an appt for his immunoregulin shot on Friday. Hopefully I can
talk with Dr Staunton then. 

 

Sally Davis

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry Roach
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Sorry

 

I am probably getting in on the tail end of this, but I did see anterior
uveitis mentioned..

Bandy had this..If you will go check, the treatment that Bandy did
worked...I talked to his eye specialist as recent as last Fri. as Bandy was
to get check-up for eyes 1st of Jan..His spec was very pleased with his
progress..

Back when I first took him...they did a toxo test...sent it off to Univ. of
Colo..instead of Texas A and M..to check for that..Bandy was negative on
that so we continued on with the treatment and it worked...

We did frequently check for ulcers on the eye surface as the steroids will
irritate that alot and you can't use them while an ulcer is present...

I tell you one thing though...Bandy regained his sight after treatment was
started.  He would have remained on those drops the rest of his life anyway,
but we went from 4 drops per eye a day to 1 drop every 3 or 4 days...A
remarkable improvement...

Please check the archives for Bandy's treatment and I hope this will help..

you must have regular glaucoma check ups though for rest of pets life..as
the steroids can cause this with long term use...

Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

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Re: Sorry

[Nina]

Hi Sally,
First, I'm so sorry to hear about Tiny.  What an awful shock that must 
have been.  I was so surprised when I lost my Jazz before her sister 
Grace.  Jazzy was always so much stronger and healthier, I just never 
expected to lose her first. 

I don't have any advice about Junior's eye problems.  Thank Heavens 
that's not something I've had to deal with yet.  I wish I could come up 
with words of comfort for what you're going through and what you've 
already endured.  I have a mantra that I repeat over and over:  All I 
can do is all I can do.  It does suck that money becomes an issue in 
our babies care, but we just have to do the best we can.  Sometimes even 
having the money doesn't get us the result we so wish for.  I firmly 
believe that paying for tests and treatments is not the most important 
part of our trials and tribulations, love and caring are far more 
important and you have those.  Your little angels are blessed with a mom 
that loves them and considers their best interests.  As hard as it is to 
take, extending their lives is not the most important thing, making what 
time they share with us as full of love, comfort and mutual joy is.


Hang in there my dear.  You and yours are in my prayers,
Nina

Sally wrote:


With it being a long weekend I probably can't get back in to see the 
vet until Tuesday. They did say they would refill his antibiotic. I am 
hoping they are open today so I can do that. I still have the 
gentmycin drops and am giving him those. He did have an ulcerated 
cornea is the other eye which I assume is why he did not get the 
steroid drops for that eye. It has mostly cleared up but now his good 
eye is infected.


He would be blind if he lost site in this eye.  He is not eating well. 
Maybe he misses Tiny. They did not get along but he still might be 
missing him.


 

I don't know how you do it. This is very draining emotionally and 
financially. I can't get the best care because I cannot afford it.


 

I went back to the archives and I will print Bandy's treatment for the 
vet to see. I have an appt for his immunoregulin shot on Friday. 
Hopefully I can talk with Dr Staunton then.


 


Sally Davis

Re: Sorry

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

we do have a fund not sure of the balance in it just now. It's saved me
in the past. Belinda would be the one to contact I think...

And don't forget that signature you see below my name, it WORKS. Put a
signature line in your emails that tells his story and asks for help. You
never know where it will come from! There's also Care Credit, and other help
groups. You can find those at this page (below the VT low cost clinic info):
http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html

Just so you guys know, Whitey is doing good, and I paid off the balance of
his vet bill yesterday! It was $300 and something total. But he's all better
now! Thanks again to Kayte and Lance for their generous donations for his
care, without you guys he would still be outside in the cold!

Oh, and Tang may have an adoptive home. I'm in touch with someone that is
interested in him. We are in the process of arranging a home visit and for
her to meet him now. So Yay! If Tang gets adopted I would have ROOM for
Whitey to stay as long as needed to find a home!

Phaewryn

Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care!
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Re: Sorry

[Kerry Roach]

Hi Sally,
  I do hope the eyes get better..I just wanted you to know that it did make a 
world of difference in Bandy's eyes..He was on gentacin, too as he did have an 
ulcer on 1 eye, but as soon as it cleared she put him on antibiotic drops that 
had dex in it..They didn't work so when we switched to the prednisolone drops, 
it gave him almost immediate relief..It was truly amazing..The specialist said 
that is the drug of choice for anterior uveitis..I could only find it around 
here at Walgreens and it was around 16.00. (lasted a long time)
  Does he have something called fibrin in his eye?  It looks like something is 
inside the eyeball...and it is brown..the pred drops cleared all this up.
  Keep me posted.
  Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

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RE: Sorry

[Sally]

I have been to most of the sites if not all you suggested. I can't put
anymore on my credit cards. I have been in trouble there in the past. I am
the lone support for the family. Eric is disabled and receives a very small
amount. It does not cover his living expenses. He is also not able to help
me do the vet visits etc because of his health. Without a job, the kitties
and I would be in a heap of trouble. I had wondered about your signature and
paypal. I have not used my account in ages. If Junior survives maybe I will
have time to look into it. He is such a sweet cat I wish this had never
happened. 

 

Thanks

 

Sally 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Phaewryn
O'Gwynn
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Sorry

 

we do have a fund not sure of the balance in it just now. It's saved me
in the past. Belinda would be the one to contact I think...

 

And don't forget that signature you see below my name, it WORKS. Put a
signature line in your emails that tells his story and asks for help. You
never know where it will come from! There's also Care Credit, and other help
groups. You can find those at this page (below the VT low cost clinic info):

http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html 

 

Just so you guys know, Whitey is doing good, and I paid off the balance of
his vet bill yesterday! It was $300 and something total. But he's all better
now! Thanks again to Kayte and Lance for their generous donations for his
care, without you guys he would still be outside in the cold!

 

Oh, and Tang may have an adoptive home. I'm in touch with someone that is
interested in him. We are in the process of arranging a home visit and for
her to meet him now. So Yay! If Tang gets adopted I would have ROOM for
Whitey to stay as long as needed to find a home!


Phaewryn

 

Donations Needed for Whitey's emergency Vet Care!
http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 
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Re: Sorry

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

It's real easy, just log in to your paypal account, and there's a tab at the
top that says Merchant Services click on that, then when that page loads,
scroll down and on the far right-hand side of the screen is a box that's
titled Key Features, one of the links in it is donations, if you click
on that, it goes to another page where you just fill out a form with your
info (what people are donating for), make sure you click to no button so
it will create an email link, and then submit it create button now and it
makes you a link to copy, and you just put that link in your email
signature. If you use outlook express I can help you do that too, if you
don't know how.

Phaewryn

Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use
referral code: LittleCheetah)
Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html
12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html
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Re: sorry

[Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn]

It's my belief that one single vaccination provides immunity for life.
However, I am in the minority there. That being said, none of my cats have
contracted any contagious viruses or diseases either.

The interferon certainly would not hurt the eye, but I'm not sure if it
would help either. I've been lucky in that I've never had a cat with
uveitis. Others on the list have though, so you should ask that question on
the list (and thus I have copied this reply back to the list). I have had a
cat with herpesvirus (which also effects the eye) and I do know good
treatments for that, but they probably wouldn't be the same for uveitis.
Here is a good webpage that may help though:
http://www.animaleyecare.net/diseases/uveitis.htm
Here's one that lists several eye issues, uveitis being fairly far down the
page:
http://sacs.vetmed.ufl.edu/Ophtho/Feline/Feline.htm
It appears from what I've read that uveitis can be caused by FELV in some
way (though the exact pathology is not given), so in theory, if you treat
the FELV to improve the immune system, then it SHOULD improve the uveitis
systematically. So, it's possible that the Interferon could help, but it
would be indirectly. Oh wow, I did another search and turned this up, which
is VERY interesting (note that part is CANINE, scroll down to FELINE
section):
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00526.htm
This states (see the bold parts in particular, if you get this in rich or
html email format):
Etiologies And Syndromes Associated With Feline Uveitis
Viral
Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP) - This disease is caused by a
coronavirus that more often affects young animals.  The ocular lesion that
it causes is pyogranulomatous inflammation of the uveal tract with
necrotizing vasculitis.  Both the anterior and posterior uvea may be
affected, but the anterior lesions are more visible, clinically.  Signs seen
are aqueous flare, hypopyon, fibrin, and keratic precipitates.  Corneal
edema may also be seen, which is proportionate to the degree of
inflammation.  Posteriorly, there is pyogranulomatous chorioretinitis and
retinal vasculitis, manifesting as retinal detachment due to choroidal
exudation, as well as optic neuritis and perivascular exudates.
Histologically, there may be lymphocytes, plasma cells, monocytes,
leukocytes and macrophages in varying numbers.

Feline Immunodeficiency virus (FIV) - FIV is a lentivirus, causing a
persistent immunodeficiency.  Ocular lesions seen most commonly with FIV
infection are aqueous flare, iridal hyperemia, posterior synechiae, and
cataracts.  Also, white punctate, cellular infiltrates may be seen in the
anterior vitreous.  Histologically, there may be a lymphocytic-plasmacytic
perivascular uveal infiltrate.

Fungal
Histoplasmosis - The organism responsible is Histoplasma capsulatum which is
indigenous to the midwestern and southern US.  The organism gains access to
the body via the respiratory tract, causing nonclinical infections.  The
organism then gets into the systemic circulation, crossing the blood-ocular
barrier.  Ocular lesions noted are aqueous flare and inflammatory cells in
the aqueous humor, granulomatous chorioretinitis and optic neuritis.
Histologically, inflammatory infiltrates consist of lymphocytes, plasma
cells, and macrophages.

Blastomycosis - This is a very rare condition in cats, as compared to dogs.
It occurs mainly in the eastern US by the organism, B. dermatitidis.  Like
Histoplasma, it gains entry into the body via the respiratory tract, and
then, eventually, entering the systemic circulation, and crossing the
blood-ocular barrier.  The main lesion is a granulomatous chorioretinitis.
Histologically, there is pyogranulomatous inflammation with large numbers of
organisms in the choroid and subretinal space, consisting of macrophages,
neutrophils, and lymphocytes.

Cryptococcosis - This is the most common infectious mycoses of cats,
although it is still rather rare.  Again, it enters the body through the
respiratory system.  The choroid is mainly affected, but the anterior segmen
t may become inflamed as well.  Clinical signs of the anterior chamber
include hyphema, fibrin, and posterior synechiae formation.  Organisms are
rarely seen in the anterior chamber.  Posterior signs include choroidal
inflammation with secondary exudative retinal detachment and subretinal
granuloma formation.  Histologic evaluations show lymphocytic-plasmacytic
infiltrates in the uveal tissue with Cryptococcal organisms in the choroid,
subretinal spaces and vitreous cavity.

Coccidioidomycosis - This is the least common intraocular fungal infection
of cats.  Clinical signs include fibrin in the anterior chamber, iridal
swelling, posterior synechiae and small, cotton-like masses located in the
anterior chamber.  Histology shows diffuse granulomatous inflammation of the
anterior and posterior uvea, with organisms possibly seen in the
inflammatory tissue.

Candidiasis - Candida albicans is the organism that causes 

Re: Sorry

[Kerry Roach]

I am probably getting in on the tail end of this, but I did see anterior 
uveitis mentioned..
  Bandy had this..If you will go check, the treatment that Bandy did worked...I 
talked to his eye specialist as recent as last Fri. as Bandy was to get 
check-up for eyes 1st of Jan..His spec was very pleased with his progress..
  Back when I first took him...they did a toxo test...sent it off to Univ. of 
Colo..instead of Texas A and M..to check for that..Bandy was negative on that 
so we continued on with the treatment and it worked...
  We did frequently check for ulcers on the eye surface as the steroids will 
irritate that alot and you can't use them while an ulcer is present...
  I tell you one thing though...Bandy regained his sight after treatment was 
started.  He would have remained on those drops the rest of his life anyway, 
but we went from 4 drops per eye a day to 1 drop every 3 or 4 days...A 
remarkable improvement...
  Please check the archives for Bandy's treatment and I hope this will help..
  you must have regular glaucoma check ups though for rest of pets life..as the 
steroids can cause this with long term use...
  Kerry, Angel Bandy and Inky

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Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

He is better and I am so grateful.  Thank you.

catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan,
   
  So many losses.  I'm so sorry.  I hope Valley recuperates.  It's tough with 
positive cats.  We can only do the best we can.  
   
  t

Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th.  She 
was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago.  
Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my 
library cats, who regularly came to school with me.  Such a sweet and gentle 
girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of 
her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot.  The heartworms left 
her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of.  She began throwing 
clots to her lungs and brain.
   
  Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive.  He 
died on 9/25.  He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and 
mischief, only 8 months old.  Healthy up until the last week and then boom.
   
  And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she  died on 
Sept. 15.  Daisy.  How do I describe her.  She was technically my foster baby 
but so much more.  Last year she came to school with me every day.  She is the 
only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called.  I'd call 
Dai-doo  and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and 
here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could.  She followed me around 
the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love 
with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had 
a ball.   I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months.  
My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her.  She gaiined weight 
over the summer and looked so healthy.  Came into heat a second time in late 
August.   
   
  She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start 
her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first.  The weekend before she 
died, I couldn't find her one day.  I was tearing the house apart - one thing 
that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it.  I didn't 
find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the 
house it was like she was shell-shocked.  She looked panicked and couldn't turn 
her head very well - cried like moving hurt her.  I made the assumption that 
she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her.  
 Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot.  She seemed to move 
better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages.  Up thru Friday 
night whe was fine.  I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday 
morning.   Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related.  Also 
- I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August --
 wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has 
anyone ever experienced anything like this?
   
  She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart.
   
  And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or 
meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the 
feleuk crisis he is in.  He is another of my library cats who comes to work 
with me.  He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 
at the time.  Feleuk positive.  Looked like death warmed over but once fattened 
up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd 
reverted to neg. 
   
  He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow.  Blood work 
shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life.  He is still 
somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the 
rest of the house.  Will eat if I put food in front of him.  His vet thought we 
could  get a remission until the blood work came back.   He is getting raw 
liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon.  I have 
immunoregulin and could try that.   I asked about Epogen and the way my vet 
explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically 
dead and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like 
knocking on the door when nobody is home.   We decided against blood 
transfusions due to the stress and the short term result.   Does anyone have 
any ideas?
   
  I apologize for the length of this.  Thanks for reading.

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[catatonya]

Susan,
   
  So many losses.  I'm so sorry.  I hope Valley recuperates.  It's tough with 
positive cats.  We can only do the best we can.  
   
  t

Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th.  She 
was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago.  
Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my 
library cats, who regularly came to school with me.  Such a sweet and gentle 
girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of 
her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot.  The heartworms left 
her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of.  She began throwing 
clots to her lungs and brain.
   
  Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive.  He 
died on 9/25.  He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and 
mischief, only 8 months old.  Healthy up until the last week and then boom.
   
  And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she  died on 
Sept. 15.  Daisy.  How do I describe her.  She was technically my foster baby 
but so much more.  Last year she came to school with me every day.  She is the 
only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called.  I'd call 
Dai-doo  and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and 
here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could.  She followed me around 
the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love 
with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had 
a ball.   I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months.  
My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her.  She gaiined weight 
over the summer and looked so healthy.  Came into heat a second time in late 
August.   
   
  She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start 
her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first.  The weekend before she 
died, I couldn't find her one day.  I was tearing the house apart - one thing 
that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it.  I didn't 
find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the 
house it was like she was shell-shocked.  She looked panicked and couldn't turn 
her head very well - cried like moving hurt her.  I made the assumption that 
she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her.  
 Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot.  She seemed to move 
better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages.  Up thru Friday 
night whe was fine.  I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday 
morning.   Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related.  Also 
- I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August --
 wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has 
anyone ever experienced anything like this?
   
  She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart.
   
  And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or 
meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the 
feleuk crisis he is in.  He is another of my library cats who comes to work 
with me.  He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 
at the time.  Feleuk positive.  Looked like death warmed over but once fattened 
up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd 
reverted to neg. 
   
  He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow.  Blood work 
shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life.  He is still 
somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the 
rest of the house.  Will eat if I put food in front of him.  His vet thought we 
could  get a remission until the blood work came back.   He is getting raw 
liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon.  I have 
immunoregulin and could try that.   I asked about Epogen and the way my vet 
explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically 
dead and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like 
knocking on the door when nobody is home.   We decided against blood 
transfusions due to the stress and the short term result.   Does anyone have 
any ideas?
   
  I apologize for the length of this.  Thanks for reading.

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Marylyn]

Never apologize for loving the little ones and caring enough to seek help for 
them either in this world or in the next.

I am so sorry you are going thru this.  Please know that you are doing so much 
good and the little ones adore you for it.  A friend of mine swears we get 
Karma points for hard times.  You are getting them by the millions.  The little 
ones thank you for caring and providing for them.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry


  Susan,

  So many losses.  I'm so sorry.  I hope Valley recuperates.  It's tough with 
positive cats.  We can only do the best we can.  

  t

  Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th.  She 
was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago.  
Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my 
library cats, who regularly came to school with me.  Such a sweet and gentle 
girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of 
her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot.  The heartworms left 
her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of.  She began throwing 
clots to her lungs and brain.

Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive.  He 
died on 9/25.  He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and 
mischief, only 8 months old.  Healthy up until the last week and then boom.

And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she  died on 
Sept. 15.  Daisy.  How do I describe her.  She was technically my foster baby 
but so much more.  Last year she came to school with me every day.  She is the 
only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called.  I'd call 
Dai-doo  and in return get this little yip-yow from wherever she was and 
here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could.  She followed me around 
the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love 
with her. I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had 
a ball.   I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months.  
My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her.  She gaiined weight 
over the summer and looked so healthy.  Came into heat a second time in late 
August.   

She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start 
her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first.  The weekend before she 
died, I couldn't find her one day.  I was tearing the house apart - one thing 
that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it.  I didn't 
find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the 
house it was like she was shell-shocked.  She looked panicked and couldn't turn 
her head very well - cried like moving hurt her.  I made the assumption that 
she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her.  
 Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot.  She seemed to move 
better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages.  Up thru Friday 
night whe was fine.  I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday 
morning.   Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related.  Also 
- I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except 
that I have so many chronic URI fosters.Has anyone ever experienced 
anything like this?

She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart.

And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers 
or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the 
feleuk crisis he is in.  He is another of my library cats who comes to work 
with me.  He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 
at the time.  Feleuk positive.  Looked like death warmed over but once fattened 
up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd 
reverted to neg. 

He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow.  Blood work 
shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life.  He is still 
somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the 
rest of the house.  Will eat if I put food in front of him.  His vet thought we 
could  get a remission until the blood work came back.   He is getting raw 
liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day

Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

VERY good point - which is why I put him on Doxy! I know that as soon as a problem comes up that even COULD be feleuk, I automatically assume that it is. We have a vet appt scheduled for tomorrow.Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  GOOD POINT!On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote:I've personally SEEN a kitten with bad flea anemia bounce back in minutes with a transfusion. Don't just assume it's the FELV just because he HAS FELV, you're writing off all other possibilities based on a FELV test result, without seeking other explanations.  PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html- Original Message -   From: Susan Loesch   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org   Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:09 PM  Subject: Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry  Thanks, Kelly. Have you ever had or heard of a kitty coming back from a 7 hematocrit? kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   At 09:47 AM 11/6/2006, you wrote:With a crit of 7 I think stress may be secondary. I would do the transfusion and try to buy a bit of time...go from there.Kelly  Does anybody have any ideas? Susan(who wrote a message today) has a critical situation with her FELV baby
 Valley - a beautiful flame point Siamese. Didn't want to miss out on any suggestions, as it was a long message. Thanks - GloriaOn Nov 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:...  And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in. He is another of my "library cats" who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg.He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the
 litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas?I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 11/6/2006No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006  No virus found in this outgoing message.  Checked by AVG Free Edition.  Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

Thanks, Gina. I started him on Doxycycline last night at Belinda's suggestion. My fingers are crossed. Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I am so sorry you lost so many kitties and in such a short period of time. I am sending prayers and doing meditations for Valley.Gina  Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my "library cats", who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet
 and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain.Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom.And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call "Dai-doo" and in return get this little "yip-yow" from
 wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her.I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it
 was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her.Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters. Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart.And now Valley - please put him on the
 special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in.He is another ofmy "library cats" who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic,
 interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas?I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.  Visit my Tigger Tales site! See my cats' gallery at Zazzle  Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

Thank you.Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Susan,That was a very moving post. Bessie, Stinky and Daisy were lucky to have spent time with you. I'll be praying for Valley.Lance

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

Thank you. No, a bone marrow biopsy wasn't done. My vet seems pretty sure of what is happening.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I am so sorry for your losses. I just saw your original email now. So, so sorry.I would get the transfusion for Valley and then, if you can, take him to an internist right away for diagnosis. Was a bone marrow biopsy done?Michelle

Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

I kind of think the Epogen may be in the "won't hurt might help" category and am going to see about that. Have also emailed my vet about Acemannen. Thanks, Michelle.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Definitely transfuse! There is no hope without it, even if the other things would cure the anemia.In terms of longer-term treatment, I personally would try acemannan. It turned around two anemic cats on this list, and I think it is the only thing that has completely reversed it for non-flea anemia in positive cats. I have heard the same arguments against Epogen and they make sense theoretically, but a couple of people on the list have found it to help a lot anyway. 
   MichelleIn a message dated 11/6/2006 2:17:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:"He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of7 - almost not compatible with life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and
 could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result.Does anyone have any ideas?"With a hemocrit that low, I don't think there IS any option, you MUST blood transfuse. The results are only short term IF he's not producing any red blood cells from his marrow. If he's not to that point, the transfusion might just give his body the boost it needs to "jump start" itself back up. I'd at least do it ONCE, if his recovery does turn
 out to be short term, THEN, consider not doing it again, and saying good bye, but you have to TRY it once to KNOW if he's that far gone! Unless your vet did a bone marrow TEST to KNOW that his FELV isthat advanced, he's simply guessing, and giving you "worst case scenario" rather than TRYING anything.  Phaewryn

To Susan: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[wendy]

Susan,

I am so sorry to read that you have so many tough
happenings in your life right now!  You must be
exhausted!  I am sorry that you have lost your little
Bessie, little Stinky, and little Daisy.  Prayers
going out for little Valley and for you for strength,
wisdom, and peace.  I wish I had advice to offer you
to help Valley, but I am not very experienced in
dealing with anemia.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy



 

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Re: To Susan: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

Thank you, Wendy. Your thoughts and prayers help a lot. wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Susan,I am so sorry to read that you have so many toughhappenings in your life right now! You must beexhausted! I am sorry that you have lost your littleBessie, little Stinky, and little Daisy. Prayersgoing out for little Valley and for you for strength,wisdom, and peace. I wish I had advice to offer youto help Valley, but I am not very experienced indealing with anemia. Please keep us posted.:)WendyWant to start your own business?Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index

Lessons learned (was: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry)

[Leslie]

Mine was about the dangers of Hartz. Using their flea stuffis actually how I discovered that my first Felv+ cat was Felv+. Thinking that if it was on the shelf, it was safe (what a naive consumer), I put it on Sushi and woke the next morning to an extremely lethargic cat. I rushed her to the vet's office, where the vet (who I hated) berated me for poisoning my cat - not that he was wrong, but the condescension was a little much in a crisis. When they were doing bloodwork, they tested for Felv+ and the rest is history. She ended up recovering fully $500 later.


Many bad things that happen are random, you could do the same thing every day and be fine, and if Hartz weren't known in the vet community for being a dangerous product, I wouldn't spread the fear, but PLEASE don't use their products (especially) flea stuff on any of your animals, postivie, negative, dog, ferret, cat, whatever.

Okay, off the soapbox.

Leslie

From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry
oh, my, phaewyrn, can i second that! i've learned some of the hardestlessons in my life via not knowing better with the cats.why we sometimes have to learn in such a difficult way i do not know, but in
passing on what we've learned from them, we honor them every time we helpsomeone else NOT learn the hard way(my biggies were finding out about what anemia looks like, and thesusceptibility of purrsians to pesticides )

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

Thanks. I have a call in for my vet right now. Do you know how long the transfused red cells live? Would it be as long as it would take for him to produce some on his own? I really appreciate your - and everyone's - advice. There is so much more knowledge on this list than any vet, even a good one, has.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi Susan,You may still want to do the transfusion, it takes I think about 26 (not sure if this is exactly correct) days for red cells to be produced, mature and be sent out to be used, that's a long time. I don't think he would live that long with a HCT that low, I lost Frankie when his HCT was down to 6%, he showed no symptoms until the day I took him in and I lost him that night. Took him home to decided whether to do the transfusion or not, my
 then vet made it sound like it really wasn't going to help, this was many years ago and I know better now.-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com

Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Belinda]

It probably depends on what is causing the anemia, with Bailey the 
epogen help, he didn't have hemobart, his was the FeLV virus replicating 
in his bone marrow and killing the red cells before they could mature, 
we found that out by doing a bone marrow aspirate.  I had him on doxy 
for over a month anyway to to be sure, but it was the epogen and 
prednisolone that turned his anemia around.  It took about 5 or 6 weeks 
and his HCT went from 15% to 40%.


There are many things that can cause anemia, and they all require 
different treatments, it is always a good idea to try and find out what 
is causing it, if your vet doesn't know how to do that it may be a good 
idea to find a different vet.


Do you know how long the transfused red cells live?  Would it be as 
long as it would take for him to produce some on his own?


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Re: Lessons learned (was: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry)

[cindy reasoner]

What about their cat litter?

Cindy Reasoner

--- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Mine was about the dangers of Hartz.  Using their
 flea stuff is actually
 how I discovered that my first Felv+ cat was Felv+. 
 Thinking that if it was
 on the shelf, it was safe (what a naive consumer), I
 put it on Sushi and
 woke the next morning to an extremely lethargic cat.
  I rushed her to the
 vet's office, where the vet (who I hated) berated me
 for poisoning my cat -
 not that he was wrong, but the condescension was a
 little much in a crisis.
 When they were doing bloodwork, they tested for
 Felv+ and the rest is
 history.  She ended up recovering fully $500 later.
 
 Many bad things that happen are random, you could do
 the same thing every
 day and be fine, and if Hartz weren't known in the
 vet community for being a
 dangerous product, I wouldn't spread the fear, but
 PLEASE don't use their
 products (especially) flea stuff on any of your
 animals, postivie, negative,
 dog, ferret, cat, whatever.
 
 Okay, off the soapbox.
 
 Leslie
 
 
 From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Please add to the CLS - and HELP -
 long, sorry
 
  oh, my, phaewyrn, can i second that! i've learned
 some of the hardest
  lessons in my life via not knowing better with
 the cats.
 
  why we sometimes have to learn in such a difficult
 way i do not know, but
  in
  passing on what we've learned from them, we honor
 them every time we help
  someone else NOT learn the hard way
 
  (my biggies were finding out about what anemia
 looks like, and the
  susceptibility of purrsians to pesticides )
 




 

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Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry

[Gloria Lane]

GOOD POINT!On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: I've personally SEEN a kitten with bad flea anemia bounce back in minutes with a transfusion. Don't just assume it's the FELV just because he HAS FELV, you're writing off all other possibilities based on a FELV test result, without seeking other explanations. Phaewryn   Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost SpayNeuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html   - Original Message -   From:   Susan   Loesch   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:09   PM  Subject: Re: PLease...need HELP - long,   sorry  Thanks, Kelly.  Have you ever had or heard of a kitty   coming back from a  7 hematocrit?    kelly   [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:   At 09:47 AM 11/6/2006, you wrote:With a crit of 7 I think stress may be secondary. I would do the transfusion and try to buy a bit of time...go from there.KellyDoes anybody have any   ideas?  Susan(who wrote a message today) has a critical situation   with her FELV baby Valley - a beautiful flame point Siamese.  Didn't   want to miss out on any suggestions, as it was a long message.    Thanks - GloriaOn Nov 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Susan Loesch   wrote:...  And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in.  He is another of my "library cats" who comes to work with me.  He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time.  Feleuk positive.  Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow.  Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life.  He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house.  Will eat if I put food in front of him.  His vet thought we could  get a remission until the blood work came back.   He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon.  I have immunoregulin and could try that.   I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home.   We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result.   Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this.  Thanks for reading.No virus found in this incoming   message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus   Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 11/6/2006  No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free   Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date:   11/4/2006No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: 11/4/2006 

Please add to the CLS - and HELP - long, sorry

[Susan Loesch]

Please add my sweet (felv neg) Bessie to the CLS - she died Sept.26th. She was a little tortie manx who'd had heartworms when rescued about 5 years ago. Daily pred helped her survive the death of the heartworms and she was one of my "library cats", who regularly came to school with me. Such a sweet and gentle girl - she did the cutest little trick of standing right next to me with one of her hind feet -- always a hind foot - resting on my foot. The heartworms left her with right heart damage which we weren't aware of. She began throwing clots to her lungs and brain.Please also add my little foster fella, Stinky, who was felv positive. He died on 9/25. He was the cutest little tabby - always full of life and mischief, only 8 months old. Healthy up until the last week and then boom.And please add my precious, precious Daisy (feleuk pos) also - she died on
 Sept. 15. Daisy. How do I describe her. She was technically my foster baby but so much more. Last year she came to school with me every day. She is the only kitty I've ever had who came to me every time I called. I'd call "Dai-doo" and in return get this little "yip-yow" from wherever she was and here she'd come trotting to me as fast as she could. She followed me around the library every step I took and the whole staff and student body were in love with her.I could take her anywhere with me on a harness and leash and she had a ball. I got her at 4 months and she didn't come in heat until 18 months. My vet and I were trying to decide if/when to spay her. She gaiined weight over the summer and looked so healthy. Came into heat a second time in late August. She'd been on interferon and when we decided to spay her I decided to start her on
 immunoregulin and wait a month or so first. The weekend before she died, I couldn't find her one day. I was tearing the house apart - one thing that I moved looking for her was a bed with lots of stuff under it. I didn't find her there -- and when she finally turned up later at the other end of the house it was like she was shell-shocked. She looked panicked and couldn't turn her head very well - cried like moving hurt her. I made the assumption that she'd been under the bed I'd moved and I'd squashed her or otherwise hurt her.Was afraid I'd injured her neck - gave her a depo shot. She seemed to move better and went on to have the best week she'd had in ages. Up thru Friday night whe was fine. I couldn't find her all day Sat - found her dead Sunday morning. Now I wonder if the last weekend's episode was feleuk related. Also - I'd updated her respiratory vaccs in late August -- wouldn't have
 done except that I have so many chronic URI fosters. Has anyone ever experienced anything like this?She was just 22 months old and her death has completely broken my heart.And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in.He is another ofmy "library cats" who comes to work with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with
 life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result. Does anyone have any ideas?I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for reading.

Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry

[Gloria Lane]

Does anybody have any ideas?  Susan(who wrote a message today) has a critical situation with her FELV baby Valley - a beautiful flame point Siamese.  Didn't want to miss out on any suggestions, as it was a long message.  Thanks - GloriaOn Nov 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:...And now Valley - please put him on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is in.  He is another of my "library cats" who comes to work with me.  He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he was 1 or 2 at the time.  Feleuk positive.  Looked like death warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg. He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow.  Blood work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with life.  He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house.  Will eat if I put food in front of him.  His vet thought we could  get a remission until the blood work came back.   He is getting raw liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon.  I have immunoregulin and could try that.   I asked about Epogen and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the bone marrow is basically "dead" and not going to produce red cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is home.   We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress and the short term result.   Does anyone have any ideas? I apologize for the length of this.  Thanks for reading.

Re: PLease...need HELP - long, sorry

[kelly]

At 09:47 AM 11/6/2006, you wrote:

With a crit of 7 I think stress may be secondary. I would do the
transfusion and try to buy a bit of time...go from there.
Kelly
Does anybody have any
ideas? Susan(who wrote a message today) has a critical situation
with her FELV baby Valley - a beautiful flame point Siamese. Didn't
want to miss out on any suggestions, as it was a long message.
Thanks - Gloria

On Nov 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Susan Loesch wrote:
...
And now Valley - please put him
on the special needs list - I need prayers or meditation or chanting or
whatever you believe in -- for a remission for the feleuk crisis he is
in. He is another of my library cats who comes to work
with me. He was a rescue from a kill shelter about 5 years ago - he
was 1 or 2 at the time. Feleuk positive. Looked like death
warmed over but once fattened up has been so healthy that I had him
retested last year to see if he'd reverted to neg.

He began losing weight about 2 weeks ago - gums pale as snow. Blood
work shows a hematocrit of 7 - almost not compatible with
life. He is still somewhat active - gets off the bed to go to the
litterbox and sometimes to the rest of the house. Will eat if I put
food in front of him. His vet thought we could get a
remission until the blood work came back. He is getting raw
liver, Clindamycin, 5mg pred every day, PetTinic, interferon. I
have immunoregulin and could try that. I asked about Epogen
and the way my vet explained it is that with feline leukemia, where the
bone marrow is basically dead and not going to produce red
cells, to give Epogen would be like knocking on the door when nobody is
home. We decided against blood transfusions due to the stress
and the short term result. Does anyone have any
ideas?

I apologize for the length of this. Thanks for
reading.
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