Re: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion

2014-02-28 Thread Margo



Hi Avakyn,
Was this an "in house" test? Any other numbers out of range?I sure wouldn't be talking transfusion with those numbers. At 1 month old, I'm surprised you could even get enough blood to do the testing, but those numbers are not that bad. Weight loss at that age is very concerning, so something is going on. Of course, some labs have different ranges, but we'd need those to judge. Here's a pretty good explanation;
http://www.cat-world.com.au/complete-blood-count
Soby those ranges, her PCV is about 4 points low, but RBC is Within Normal Limits.Has a fecal for parasites been done? Were any other numbers out of range?I'd try doing some iron and B vitamins at least, and in this situation I'd be more interested in what the -holistic Vet has to say. AND I'd be looking for a new "regular" Vet. It might be important to find the cause of the lower PCV, and there could well be something very treatable going on. A transfusion in any cat is a big deal, and not something to be taken lightly. In a month old kitten, not even sure how it could be accomplished safely. And with those numbers, it's just NOT warranted.
Wishing you and Kitty the best,
Margo
Original Message- From: Avaykn <ava...@gmail.com>Sent: Feb 27, 2014 6:45 PM To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion Hello,Took Kitty, 1 months old FeLV positive cat to the vet a holistic vet has to say. hours ago because she was not eating very much. She had lost a little weigh, her temperature was at 101, we did a blood panel and her PCV is at 21.7 and her red blood cell at 5.28.Her holistic vet is recommending a remedy to help and her regular vet is recommending a blood transfusion.What are your experiences with these routes ?__._,_.___

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[Felvtalk] Blood transfusion

2014-02-27 Thread Avaykn
Hello,
Took Kitty, 1 months old FeLV positive cat to the vet a few hours ago because 
she was not eating very much. 
She had lost a little weigh, her temperature was at 101, we did a blood panel 
and her PCV is at 21.7 and her red blood cell at 5.28.
Her holistic vet is recommending a remedy to help and her regular vet is 
recommending a blood transfusion.
What are your experiences with these routes ?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion

2014-02-27 Thread lernermichelle

I have never heard a transfusion recommended at PCV of 21. That is considered 
moderate anemia, not severe, and transfusions are usually reserved for severe 
(under 15 or even 13). Part of the reason is that cats can have allergic or 
auto-immune reactions to transfusions so they normally only give them when 
needed to preserve life, and part of the reason is the limited availability of 
blood.

I have gotten transfusions for 2 cats in the past, both when their PCV was 
below 13. In both cases they helped for a very short time. In the first case, 
it helped keep a cat alive (who was FeLV+) long enough for chemo to kick in at 
which point his count went up for a while until the chemo stopped working. The 
second cat was Bear, who I lost recently, who was FIV+ and had hemolytic 
anemia, where he was killing off his red blood cells. He got 2 transfusions on 
one day and another a 5 days later. In both cases the transfusions raised his 
PCV a little for a couple days and then he started killing of the transfused 
blood too, and he died 3 days after the last transfusion. 

If the anemia is from something less serious or slower moving, a transfusion 
can last longer. But because of the associated risks, vets normally wait longer 
to do it. 

At 21.7, her anemia could be from some systemic issue like an infection or 
cancer. They get anemia when they are very sick from something else and if that 
thing is resolved the anemia resolves. So it may not get worse if you can solve 
whatever else is going on or treat it at least temporarily. Or she could have 
nonregenerative anemia and it will slowly get worse. But in that case she 
should adjust to the lower count after a few day and not be floored by it until 
it gets much lower. 

So I think I would go another route other than transfusion at first, and see if 
you can determine and treat whatever else is going on. 101 is not a fever for a 
cat, it's in the middle of normal, so she is not feverish. What is her white 
blood cell count? But if you do not do the transfusion, I would get her blood 
count rechecked soon to make sure it is not going down very fast, in which case 
you may need to soon.

Is she really only 4 weeks old? You said 1 months, so I don't know if the 1 is 
the typo or the plural months. If she is 4 weeks old, it's possible that this 
changes things and vets would transfuse faster. But I also never heard of a 
kitten that young getting a transfusion.

Michelle


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Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:45 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion



Hello,
Took Kitty, 1 months old FeLV positive cat to the vet a few hours ago because 
she was not eating very much. 
She had lost a little weigh, her temperature was at 101, we did a blood panel 
and her PCV is at 21.7 and her red blood cell at 5.28.
Her holistic vet is recommending a remedy to help and her regular vet is 
recommending a blood transfusion.
What are your experiences with these routes ?




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Re: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion

2014-02-27 Thread lernermichelle

There's a feline anemia yahoo group too, which may have more insights.

Michelle


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felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:45 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion



Hello,
Took Kitty, 1 months old FeLV positive cat to the vet a few hours ago because 
she was not eating very much. 
She had lost a little weigh, her temperature was at 101, we did a blood panel 
and her PCV is at 21.7 and her red blood cell at 5.28.
Her holistic vet is recommending a remedy to help and her regular vet is 
recommending a blood transfusion.
What are your experiences with these routes ?




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Re: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion

2014-02-27 Thread Avaykn
She is 18 months 

Sent from my iPhone.

 On Feb 27, 2014, at 18:55, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 I have never heard a transfusion recommended at PCV of 21. That is considered 
 moderate anemia, not severe, and transfusions are usually reserved for severe 
 (under 15 or even 13). Part of the reason is that cats can have allergic or 
 auto-immune reactions to transfusions so they normally only give them when 
 needed to preserve life, and part of the reason is the limited availability 
 of blood.
  
 I have gotten transfusions for 2 cats in the past, both when their PCV was 
 below 13. In both cases they helped for a very short time. In the first case, 
 it helped keep a cat alive (who was FeLV+) long enough for chemo to kick in 
 at which point his count went up for a while until the chemo stopped working. 
 The second cat was Bear, who I lost recently, who was FIV+ and had hemolytic 
 anemia, where he was killing off his red blood cells. He got 2 transfusions 
 on one day and another a 5 days later. In both cases the transfusions raised 
 his PCV a little for a couple days and then he started killing of the 
 transfused blood too, and he died 3 days after the last transfusion.
  
 If the anemia is from something less serious or slower moving, a transfusion 
 can last longer. But because of the associated risks, vets normally wait 
 longer to do it.
  
 At 21.7, her anemia could be from some systemic issue like an infection or 
 cancer. They get anemia when they are very sick from something else and if 
 that thing is resolved the anemia resolves. So it may not get worse if you 
 can solve whatever else is going on or treat it at least temporarily. Or she 
 could have nonregenerative anemia and it will slowly get worse. But in that 
 case she should adjust to the lower count after a few day and not be floored 
 by it until it gets much lower.
  
 So I think I would go another route other than transfusion at first, and see 
 if you can determine and treat whatever else is going on. 101 is not a fever 
 for a cat, it's in the middle of normal, so she is not feverish. What is her 
 white blood cell count? But if you do not do the transfusion, I would get her 
 blood count rechecked soon to make sure it is not going down very fast, in 
 which case you may need to soon.
  
 Is she really only 4 weeks old? You said 1 months, so I don't know if the 1 
 is the typo or the plural months. If she is 4 weeks old, it's possible that 
 this changes things and vets would transfuse faster. But I also never heard 
 of a kitten that young getting a transfusion.
  
 Michelle
 -Original Message-
 From: Avaykn ava...@gmail.com
 To: FeLVPositiveCats felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:45 pm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Blood transfusion
 
 Hello,
 Took Kitty, 1 months old FeLV positive cat to the vet a few hours ago because 
 she was not eating very much. 
 She had lost a little weigh, her temperature was at 101, we did a blood panel 
 and her PCV is at 21.7 and her red blood cell at 5.28.
 Her holistic vet is recommending a remedy to help and her regular vet is 
 recommending a blood transfusion.
 What are your experiences with these routes ?
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-23 Thread catatonya
I'm sorry, Jennifer.
  tonya

James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote:
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To: 
Subject: Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
Date sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500


Hello everyone,

I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion 
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to 
reach that decision, you can see my example.

The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's 
hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest 
you can be and still be healthy). He was extremely 
lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a 
month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
starting to catch a respiratory bug.

Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and 
took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17. That's 
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to 
a healthy level, not just a slightly better level. He had 
perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he 
still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles. 

What I am most upset with was the lack of information 
from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the 
blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound 
like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work 
for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were 
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told 
me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that 
it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes 
me feel like money is more important then informing the 
owner.

I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks. So 
right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
much as we can.

Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
wanted to tell my story.

Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-23 Thread Gloria B. Lane
I don't know where you live, or the nature of the transfusion, it  
could be more involved that the usual.  But I've had transfusions for  
a couple of my FELV cats, and they did extend their lives a bit.  Just  
have to say that $800 sounds like an awfully expensive transfusion.


Gloria



On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:55 AM, catatonya wrote:


I'm sorry, Jennifer.
 tonya

James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote:
 --- Forwarded message follows ---
From: Jennifer Dykhouse

To:
Subject: Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
Date sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500


Hello everyone,

I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to
reach that decision, you can see my example.

The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's
hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest
you can be and still be healthy). He was extremely
lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a
month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was
starting to catch a respiratory bug.

Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and
took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17. That's
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to
a healthy level, not just a slightly better level. He had
perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he
still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles.

What I am most upset with was the lack of information
from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the
blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound
like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work
for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told
me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that
it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes
me feel like money is more important then informing the
owner.

I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the
fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to
the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of
the day and since the transfusion may only give him days,
I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks. So
right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as
much as we can.

Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just
wanted to tell my story.

Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-23 Thread dlgegg
transfusions work and they don't work.  when my red count got to 3.4, the 
doctor ordered transfusions in addition to procrit.  they did not work because 
the Gemzar was wiping out my bone marrow and it could not produce cells faster 
than the Gemzar was killing them off.  the only solution was to stop the chemo. 
 i then bounced back and didn't look like a ghost.  if meds are not causing the 
low count, then i would ask a lot of questions before i would do this to my 
baby.  sometimes the cure is worse than the illness.  it is hard, you want them 
to hang on because you do not want to lose them.  that is the way it was with 
my father.  i wanted so for him to live and i think he kept trying to for me.  
finally, he just could not go on anymore.  he kept asking me if i was getting 
tired of taking care of him.  cats can't ask us if we are tired of taking care 
of them, we just have to pay attention to them and read their body language.  
dorlis
 catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I'm sorry, Jennifer.
   tonya
 
 James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote:
   --- Forwarded message follows ---
 From: Jennifer Dykhouse 
 
 To: 
 Subject: Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
 Date sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500
 
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion 
 helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to 
 reach that decision, you can see my example.
 
 The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's 
 hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest 
 you can be and still be healthy). He was extremely 
 lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a 
 month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
 starting to catch a respiratory bug.
 
 Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and 
 took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17. That's 
 great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to 
 a healthy level, not just a slightly better level. He had 
 perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he 
 still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles. 
 
 What I am most upset with was the lack of information 
 from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the 
 blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound 
 like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work 
 for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were 
 handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told 
 me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that 
 it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes 
 me feel like money is more important then informing the 
 owner.
 
 I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
 fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
 the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
 the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
 I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks. So 
 right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
 get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
 much as we can.
 
 Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
 wanted to tell my story.
 
 Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-23 Thread dlgegg
hi, i think that would be the way i would go.  sometimes, we want to do all we 
can for them and all we are really doing is causing more suffering.   have 5 
new babies (that is all i can afford financially and physically to support), 1 
felv+.  so far, all is well, Annie shows no signs of illness.  there has been 
some stress for her when the others came home since she is an alpha female and 
so is Casey, but we are down to a low growl when we pass one another.  dorlis
 MacKenzie wrote: 
 I am very sorry that you had such a bad experience, Jennifer. It's
 really unforgivable that a vet should be so unclear about what to expect
 from a transfusion for a kitty with nonregenerative anemia. I had my
 FeLV kitty, Flavia, given a transfusion after she was diagnosed with
 nonregenerative anemia and her hematocrit dropped to 7.5. Unlike
 Jennifer's careless (unethical?) vet, mine did tell me it would give her
 (only) an extra couple of weeks at most. I wanted those extra weeks to
 try to find a way to prolong her life significantly. I obtained
 immunoregulin for her but too late, so I didn't get a chance to try it.
 Nonetheless, in the same circumstances, I would not do a transfusion
 again. It was tremendously stressful for Flavia, it was very expensive
 ($1000 total for transfusion plus drawing my healthy cat's blood) and it
 gave her only 10 days extra (her HCT went up to 23), when her HCT
 plummeted again to 13. Like Jennifer, I would much rather concentrate on
 doing everything possible to ensure my cat enjoys every moment of the
 rest of her time, however long that may be, in the comfort of her own
 home.
 Kerry M.
 
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:05 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
 
 --- Forwarded message follows ---
 From: Jennifer Dykhouse 
 redg...@hotmail.com
 To:   felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org
 Subject:  Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
 Date sent:Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500
 
 
 Hello everyone,
  
 I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion 
 helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to 
 reach that decision, you can see my example.
  
 The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's 
 hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest 
 you can be and still be healthy).  He was extremely 
 lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a 
 month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
 starting to catch a respiratory bug.
  
 Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and 
 took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17.  That's 
 great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to 
 a healthy level, not just a slightly better level.  He had 
 perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he 
 still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles. 
  
 What I am most upset with was the lack of information 
 from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the 
 blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound 
 like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work 
 for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were 
 handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told 
 me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that 
 it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes 
 me feel like money is more important then informing the 
 owner.
  
 I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
 fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
 the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
 the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
 I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks.  So 
 right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
 get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
 much as we can.
  
 Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
 wanted to tell my story.
  
 Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-23 Thread Laurieskatz
Jennifer, you and Mr. Darcy are in my thoughts and prayers. I think you are
doing the best thing for your precious boy.
God bless,
Laurie

 From: Jennifer Dykhouse 
 
 To: 
 Subject: Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
 Date sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500
 
 
 
 I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
 fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
 the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
 the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
 I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks. So 
 right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
 get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
 much as we can.
 
 Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
 wanted to tell my story.
 
 Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-22 Thread Cougar Clan
My vets and I made the decision not to transfuse Dixie Louise for the  
reasons you gave.  I am very grateful that my vets were very up front  
about the situation and, while they made it an option and assured me  
they would arrange it, they would not put their own cats thru it  
(given Dixie's condition and total dislike of vets).  She spent quite  
a bit of time with her holistic vet (to whom my regular vets had  
referred me years before with a little beagle and who saw all m  
critters since) but that did not seem to stress her the way a  
transfusion at a strange place wold have.  All my vets let me stay  
with my friends no matter what is going on.  Many specialists won't.   
Another reason we didn't do the transfusions.


You did what you thought was best and Mr. Darcy loves you for that.   
However, I am sure he approves of your decision to let him wind down  
without the added stress.


Blessings to you.
On Jan 21, 2009, at 9:04 PM, James G Wilson wrote:


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From:   Jennifer Dykhouse
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To: felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org
Subject:Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
Date sent:  Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500


Hello everyone,

I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to
reach that decision, you can see my example.

The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's
hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest
you can be and still be healthy).  He was extremely
lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a
month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was
starting to catch a respiratory bug.

Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and
took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17.  That's
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to
a healthy level, not just a slightly better level.  He had
perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he
still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles.

What I am most upset with was the lack of information
from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the
blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound
like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work
for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told
me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that
it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes
me feel like money is more important then informing the
owner.

I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the
fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to
the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of
the day and since the transfusion may only give him days,
I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks.  So
right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as
much as we can.

Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just
wanted to tell my story.

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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-22 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
I am very sorry that you had such a bad experience, Jennifer. It's
really unforgivable that a vet should be so unclear about what to expect
from a transfusion for a kitty with nonregenerative anemia. I had my
FeLV kitty, Flavia, given a transfusion after she was diagnosed with
nonregenerative anemia and her hematocrit dropped to 7.5. Unlike
Jennifer's careless (unethical?) vet, mine did tell me it would give her
(only) an extra couple of weeks at most. I wanted those extra weeks to
try to find a way to prolong her life significantly. I obtained
immunoregulin for her but too late, so I didn't get a chance to try it.
Nonetheless, in the same circumstances, I would not do a transfusion
again. It was tremendously stressful for Flavia, it was very expensive
($1000 total for transfusion plus drawing my healthy cat's blood) and it
gave her only 10 days extra (her HCT went up to 23), when her HCT
plummeted again to 13. Like Jennifer, I would much rather concentrate on
doing everything possible to ensure my cat enjoys every moment of the
rest of her time, however long that may be, in the comfort of her own
home.
Kerry M.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

--- Forwarded message follows ---
From:   Jennifer Dykhouse 
redg...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org
Subject:Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
Date sent:  Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500


Hello everyone,
 
I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion 
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to 
reach that decision, you can see my example.
 
The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's 
hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest 
you can be and still be healthy).  He was extremely 
lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a 
month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
starting to catch a respiratory bug.
 
Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and 
took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17.  That's 
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to 
a healthy level, not just a slightly better level.  He had 
perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he 
still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles. 
 
What I am most upset with was the lack of information 
from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the 
blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound 
like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work 
for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were 
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told 
me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that 
it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes 
me feel like money is more important then informing the 
owner.
 
I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks.  So 
right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
much as we can.
 
Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
wanted to tell my story.
 
Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Wow, that is an extremely high cost for a transfusion, they are 
rip offs, where do you live?   I have gotten transfusions for under 
$200.00.  You may ask your vet about trying epogen, procrit or arsnap 
all help with anemia.  Bailey my positive was on epogen and prednisolone 
when he was anemic.  His HCT went from a low of 15 to 40 in 6 weeks.   
He remained in the mid 30's the rest of his life.  He died from 
undiagnosed pancreatic cancer.


Do they know what is causing the anemia?  Has he ever been on 
doxycycline for 4 weeks minimum?  Hemobartonella is almost impossible to 
test for and many cats have been saved by being put on doxy even thought 
they tested negative for hemo.  From other lists I'm on I know of 
several cats tested 4 or 5 times testing negative being put on doxy and 
recovering ... obviously they had hemo but were testing negative.  There 
are other drugs in the tetroclycline family if Darcy can't tolerate 
doxy, doxy is just thought to work the best.


Prayers coming to little Darcy and your family.

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Re: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-22 Thread Christy Buchin

We transfused our cat Gray Kitty twice now.  The lowest his hematocrit ever 
went was 9.  After each transfusion he went up to around 30-35 which is in the 
normal range, then dipped down to 18-20 where he remains.   From: 
phaed...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 
21:04:36 -0600 Subject: [Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat  
--- Forwarded message follows --- From: Jennifer Dykhouse  
redg...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org Subject: Blood 
transfusion on Felv+ cat Date sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500   Hello 
everyone,  I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion  
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to  reach that decision, 
you can see my example.  The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. 
Darcy's  hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest  you can 
be and still be healthy). He was extremely  lethargic and as a result would 
eat. He lost 2 pounds in a  month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
 starting to catch a respiratory bug.  Right after the transfusion, which 
cost 800 dollars and  took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17. That's  
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to  a healthy level, 
not just a slightly better level. He had  perked up and he is eating turkey 
baby food now, but he  still is extremely tired and now he has balance 
troubles.   What I am most upset with was the lack of information  from my 
vet and the animal hospital. When told about the  blood transfusion by my 
normal vet, she made it sound  like he'd be back at a healthy level and that 
it could work  for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were  
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told  me that Mr. 
Darcy could die during the procedure and that  it may only last a few hours, 
days. I am furious. It makes  me feel like money is more important then 
informing the  owner.  I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to 
the  fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to  the vet 
really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of  the day and since the 
transfusion may only give him days,  I would rather have him enjoy his last 
days/weeks. So  right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is  
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as  much as we can.  
Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just  wanted to tell my 
story.  Jennifer and Mr. Darcy 
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[Felvtalk] (Fwd) Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat

2009-01-21 Thread James G Wilson
--- Forwarded message follows ---
From:   Jennifer Dykhouse 
redg...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org
Subject:Blood transfusion on Felv+ cat
Date sent:  Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:45 -0500


Hello everyone,
 
I thought I'd let you know how the blood transfusion 
helped/didn't help my Felv+ cat, so that if you need to 
reach that decision, you can see my example.
 
The day before we did the blood transfusion, Mr. Darcy's 
hematocrit count was at 7 (I was told that 30 is the lowest 
you can be and still be healthy).  He was extremely 
lethargic and as a result would eat. He lost 2 pounds in a 
month (even with us assist feeding him) and he was 
starting to catch a respiratory bug.
 
Right after the transfusion, which cost 800 dollars and 
took about 5 hours, his hematocrit was at 17.  That's 
great, but I am upset. I was thinking he'd be brought up to 
a healthy level, not just a slightly better level.  He had 
perked up and he is eating turkey baby food now, but he 
still is extremely tired and now he has balance troubles. 
 
What I am most upset with was the lack of information 
from my vet and the animal hospital. When told about the 
blood transfusion by my normal vet, she made it sound 
like he'd be back at a healthy level and that it could work 
for months and that it was perfectly safe. When we were 
handing him over to the vet at the hospital, he finally told 
me that Mr. Darcy could die during the procedure and that 
it may only last a few hours, days. I am furious. It makes 
me feel like money is more important then informing the 
owner.
 
I have decided to not do any more transfusions due to the 
fact that he's in the last stage of his illness and going to 
the vet really stresses him out. He won't eat for the rest of 
the day and since the transfusion may only give him days, 
I would rather have him enjoy his last days/weeks.  So 
right now, we're at the point where the most we can do is 
get him to eat and sleep and to pet him and love him as 
much as we can.
 
Now, your cat may have a different experience, but I just 
wanted to tell my story.
 
Jennifer and Mr. Darcy
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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Belinda
   I do know of one cat that has had many transfusions, more than 5, I 
think it was one of Hideyo's cats, I seem to remember her posting it on 
the anemia list I'm on.  I believe it was because the epogen quit 
working or her vet thought the cat had developed aiitbodies.  I will 
write her and ask to double check, this cat is alive and well though 
still with an extremely low HCT, she is doing good.  The vets can't 
figure out what is causing her anemia.


Did you get the answers you needed?  Speaking specifically about 
anemic cats who are FeLV+, blood transfusions are probably given every 
10 days, and probably not more than 3 times.  This is only knowledge I 
have gleaned from what I've seen here in the past two years and might 
not be completely right.  Some vets won't even do more than 2 
transfusions.

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RE: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

The vet I was taking Monkee to wouldn't do more than 2 transfusions.  We only 
did one.  When it wore off, it wore off bad.  I realize now that Monkee was 
suffering much more than he let on and I just didn't know it at the time 
because he was such a toughie, with a real zest for life.  I think 
psychologically, when you have a very anemic cat, the blood transfusion effects 
can be really hard to deal with.  Monkee had lymphosarcoma at the same time and 
I wonder now if that was causing him pain and difficulty more than the anemia.  
In the future, I personally would only consider multiple transfusions (ignoring 
the cost for the sake of my hypothetical) maybe if anemia is the only thing a 
cat is suffering from.  In hindsight, I feel like we were keeping something 
going that shouldn't have kept going and I think the fact that he died in my 
arms before we could even get him to a vet exactly 14 days after the 
transfusion, was proof of that.  His body literally was not making and red 
blood cells at all and he needed that replacement blood to even function.  But 
it's just a replacement and the body uses it up.  So psychologically, it was 
really hard on me to see this cat I loved more than anything be normal again 
for a while just because he'd been given some replacement blood.  And then to 
witness the effects of the transfusion wearing off slowly...very hard to 
endure.  I just think doing a blood transfusion really needs to be thought 
through, especially if you have a cat who's Felv and anemia is maybe the least 
of his problems...like it was in Monkee's case.  
-Caroline  Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:05:48 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: blood transfusion  I do know of one 
cat that has had many transfusions, more than 5, I  think it was one of 
Hideyo's cats, I seem to remember her posting it on  the anemia list I'm on. I 
believe it was because the epogen quit  working or her vet thought the cat had 
developed aiitbodies. I will  write her and ask to double check, this cat is 
alive and well though  still with an extremely low HCT, she is doing good. The 
vets can't  figure out what is causing her anemia.   Did you get the 
answers you needed? Speaking specifically about   anemic cats who are FeLV+, 
blood transfusions are probably given every   10 days, and probably not more 
than 3 times. This is only knowledge I   have gleaned from what I've seen 
here in the past two years and might   not be completely right. Some vets 
won't even do more than 2   transfusions. --   Belinda happiness is being 
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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Belinda

   Caroline,
  I remember Monkee and all the heartache you guys went through.

I would be doing all positives a disservice though if I didn't make a 
point about what my vet told me and I have personally seen happen with 
some cats on the lists I'm on.


Sometimes for what ever reason it takes 2 or 3 or more transfusions to 
kick start a cats blood production, my vet told me she has done up to 5 
transfusions on the same cat with no ill effects.  Of course you still 
need to find out what is causing the anemia so you can hopefully fix 
it.  Baileys anemia was his first symptom of the cancer we couldn't find 
until after he passed BUT we did reverse the non-regenerative anemia 
with epogen and prednisolone, his HCT was normal (33% from a low point 
of 15%) when the cancer took him.* * I didn't need to do a transfusion 
with Bailey because I did a bone marrow aspirate to find out what was 
causing the anemia and treated accordingly.


Every cat I've lost has taught me something in hindsight that I and my 
vet missed at the time, I wish my guys weren't the ones that had to pay 
with their lives but I know one thing, if I ever hear of a cat having 
the same symptoms or God forbid I have a cat with like symptoms, I will 
know what to tell them to look for, doesn't mean they will but I will 
make the effort to let them know.


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RE: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

I know, you are also right.  But I didn't want to make Monkee go through the 
bone marrow aspirate because he'd already been through so much, since we did 
Chemo on him (which, in hindsight, I will NOT do again with another animal).  
I'm sure it's possible the chemo itself brought up the anemia, but he had the 
lump on his leg that was only getting bigger with chemo (which the Dr. was 
shocked by) and by the time we did the transfusion, he had lumps in his stomach 
and groin area, so the cancer was clearly spreading- despite chemo.  The Doctor 
was almost positive it was the cancer causing the anemia and at the time, I was 
so disenchanted with her, I didn't really listen.  But I'm sure now that she 
was right.  We felt like a bone marrow aspirate would just tell us what we 
already knew, but didn't want to admit.  I guess my point was really that the 
blood transfusions are so emotionally taxing. 
-Caroline 


Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:27:21 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: blood transfusion
Caroline,   I remember Monkee and all the heartache you guys went through.I 
would be doing all positives a disservice though if I didn't make a point about 
what my vet told me and I have personally seen happen with some cats on the 
lists I'm on.Sometimes for what ever reason it takes 2 or 3 or more 
transfusions to kick start a cats blood production, my vet told me she has done 
up to 5 transfusions on the same cat with no ill effects.  Of course you still 
need to find out what is causing the anemia so you can hopefully fix it.  
Baileys anemia was his first symptom of the cancer we couldn't find until after 
he passed BUT we did reverse the non-regenerative anemia with epogen and 
prednisolone, his HCT was normal (33% from a low point of 15%) when the cancer 
took him.  I didn't need to do a transfusion with Bailey because I did a bone 
marrow aspirate to find out what was causing the anemia and treated 
accordingly.Every cat I've lost has taught me something in hindsight that I and 
my vet missed at the time, I wish my guys weren't the ones that had to pay with 
their lives but I know one thing, if I ever hear of a cat having the same 
symptoms or God forbid I have a cat with like symptoms, I will know what to 
tell them to look for, doesn't mean they will but I will make the effort to let 
them know.-- 

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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Gloria Lane
Similar with my vet - limited # of transfusions.  But it didn't have  
any ill effects on mine, only positive, then after a time they went  
down again.  Gloria




On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

The vet I was taking Monkee to wouldn't do more than 2  
transfusions.  We only did one.  When it wore off, it wore off  
bad.  I realize now that Monkee was suffering much more than he let  
on and I just didn't know it at the time because he was such a  
toughie, with a real zest for life.  I think psychologically, when  
you have a very anemic cat, the blood transfusion effects can be  
really hard to deal with.  Monkee had lymphosarcoma at the same  
time and I wonder now if that was causing him pain and difficulty  
more than the anemia.  In the future, I personally would only  
consider multiple transfusions (ignoring the cost for the sake of  
my hypothetical) maybe if anemia is the only thing a cat is  
suffering from.  In hindsight, I feel like we were keeping  
something going that shouldn't have kept going and I think the fact  
that he died in my arms before we could even get him to a vet  
exactly 14 days after the transfusion, was proof of that.  His body  
literally was not making and red blood cells at all and he needed  
that replacement blood to even function.  But it's just a  
replacement and the body uses it up.  So psychologically, it was  
really hard on me to see this cat I loved more than anything be  
normal again for a while just because he'd been given some  
replacement blood.  And then to witness the effects of the  
transfusion wearing off slowly...very hard to endure.  I just think  
doing a blood transfusion really needs to be thought through,  
especially if you have a cat who's Felv and anemia is maybe the  
least of his problems...like it was in Monkee's case.

-Caroline

 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:05:48 -0700
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: blood transfusion

 I do know of one cat that has had many transfusions, more than 5, I
 think it was one of Hideyo's cats, I seem to remember her posting  
it on

 the anemia list I'm on. I believe it was because the epogen quit
 working or her vet thought the cat had developed aiitbodies. I will
 write her and ask to double check, this cat is alive and well though
 still with an extremely low HCT, she is doing good. The vets can't
 figure out what is causing her anemia.

  Did you get the answers you needed? Speaking specifically about
  anemic cats who are FeLV+, blood transfusions are probably  
given every
  10 days, and probably not more than 3 times. This is only  
knowledge I
  have gleaned from what I've seen here in the past two years and  
might

  not be completely right. Some vets won't even do more than 2
  transfusions.
 --

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RE: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Heikkinen, Megan B
Blood transfusions really are emotionally taxing. Olive was only given one, 
because at the time I took her to the vet, I had no idea what was wrong with 
her. The vet discovered she was extremely anemic, but didn't know why, and said 
that if I wanted her to live, she needed one. I didn't know until a couple days 
after the transfusion, when she was doing so much better, that she was 
positive. And only a day or two after that, when she had become her normal, 
extremely playful, semi-annoying self once again, she started going downhill. 
It was the most heartwrenching thing I've ever experienced. I thought I had 
saved her life, but I had only given her an extra few days of feeling better 
before fading again. I considered another transfusion, but after doing 
extensive research, I figured it would be a lost cause. I didn't want to put 
her through any more pain. Transfusions are good in live-threatening 
situations, but with non-regenerative anemia, they only postpone the 
inevitable, and not for long.

-Megan


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wed 10/17/2007 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: blood transfusion
 

I know, you are also right.  But I didn't want to make Monkee go through the 
bone marrow aspirate because he'd already been through so much, since we did 
Chemo on him (which, in hindsight, I will NOT do again with another animal).  
I'm sure it's possible the chemo itself brought up the anemia, but he had the 
lump on his leg that was only getting bigger with chemo (which the Dr. was 
shocked by) and by the time we did the transfusion, he had lumps in his stomach 
and groin area, so the cancer was clearly spreading- despite chemo.  The Doctor 
was almost positive it was the cancer causing the anemia and at the time, I was 
so disenchanted with her, I didn't really listen.  But I'm sure now that she 
was right.  We felt like a bone marrow aspirate would just tell us what we 
already knew, but didn't want to admit.  I guess my point was really that the 
blood transfusions are so emotionally taxing. 
-Caroline 


Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:27:21 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: blood transfusion
Caroline,   I remember Monkee and all the heartache you guys went through.I 
would be doing all positives a disservice though if I didn't make a point about 
what my vet told me and I have personally seen happen with some cats on the 
lists I'm on.Sometimes for what ever reason it takes 2 or 3 or more 
transfusions to kick start a cats blood production, my vet told me she has done 
up to 5 transfusions on the same cat with no ill effects.  Of course you still 
need to find out what is causing the anemia so you can hopefully fix it.  
Baileys anemia was his first symptom of the cancer we couldn't find until after 
he passed BUT we did reverse the non-regenerative anemia with epogen and 
prednisolone, his HCT was normal (33% from a low point of 15%) when the cancer 
took him.  I didn't need to do a transfusion with Bailey because I did a bone 
marrow aspirate to find out what was causing the anemia and treated 
accordingly.Every cat I've lost has taught me something in hindsight that I and 
my vet missed at the time, I wish my guys weren't the ones that had to pay with 
their lives but I know one thing, if I ever hear of a cat having the same 
symptoms or God forbid I have a cat with like symptoms, I will know what to 
tell them to look for, doesn't mean they will but I will make the effort to let 
them know.-- 

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RE: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Megan:
I tried to prepare you for that when you first joined the list due to Olive's 
condition with relaying to you Monkee's experience.  But it's never as bad as 
it is when you actually experience it yourself.  Our experiences were similar 
in so many ways.  
-Caroline  Subject: RE: blood transfusion Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:02:58 
-0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Blood 
transfusions really are emotionally taxing. Olive was only given one, because 
at the time I took her to the vet, I had no idea what was wrong with her. The 
vet discovered she was extremely anemic, but didn't know why, and said that if 
I wanted her to live, she needed one. I didn't know until a couple days after 
the transfusion, when she was doing so much better, that she was positive. And 
only a day or two after that, when she had become her normal, extremely 
playful, semi-annoying self once again, she started going downhill. It was the 
most heartwrenching thing I've ever experienced. I thought I had saved her 
life, but I had only given her an extra few days of feeling better before 
fading again. I considered another transfusion, but after doing extensive 
research, I figured it would be a lost cause. I didn't want to put her through 
any more pain. Transfusions are good in live-threatening situations, but with 
non-regenerative anemia, they only postpone the inevitable, and not for long. 
 -Megan   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of 
Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Wed 10/17/2007 11:46 AM To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: blood transfusion   I know, you 
are also right. But I didn't want to make Monkee go through the bone marrow 
aspirate because he'd already been through so much, since we did Chemo on him 
(which, in hindsight, I will NOT do again with another animal). I'm sure it's 
possible the chemo itself brought up the anemia, but he had the lump on his leg 
that was only getting bigger with chemo (which the Dr. was shocked by) and by 
the time we did the transfusion, he had lumps in his stomach and groin area, so 
the cancer was clearly spreading- despite chemo. The Doctor was almost positive 
it was the cancer causing the anemia and at the time, I was so disenchanted 
with her, I didn't really listen. But I'm sure now that she was right. We felt 
like a bone marrow aspirate would just tell us what we already knew, but didn't 
want to admit. I guess my point was really that the blood transfusions are so 
emotionally taxing. -Caroline   Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:27:21 -0700From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: blood transfusion Caroline, I 
remember Monkee and all the heartache you guys went through.I would be doing 
all positives a disservice though if I didn't make a point about what my vet 
told me and I have personally seen happen with some cats on the lists I'm 
on.Sometimes for what ever reason it takes 2 or 3 or more transfusions to kick 
start a cats blood production, my vet told me she has done up to 5 transfusions 
on the same cat with no ill effects. Of course you still need to find out what 
is causing the anemia so you can hopefully fix it. Baileys anemia was his first 
symptom of the cancer we couldn't find until after he passed BUT we did reverse 
the non-regenerative anemia with epogen and prednisolone, his HCT was normal 
(33% from a low point of 15%) when the cancer took him. I didn't need to do a 
transfusion with Bailey because I did a bone marrow aspirate to find out what 
was causing the anemia and treated accordingly.Every cat I've lost has taught 
me something in hindsight that I and my vet missed at the time, I wish my guys 
weren't the ones that had to pay with their lives but I know one thing, if I 
ever hear of a cat having the same symptoms or God forbid I have a cat with 
like symptoms, I will know what to tell them to look for, doesn't mean they 
will but I will make the effort to let them know.--  Belinda happiness is 
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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Belinda
Not sure your vet knew this but the most reliable way to get all the 
cancer when it is on a limb is amputation of that limb and then possibly 
chemo.   Animals do very well with missing limbs.


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blood transfusion

2007-10-17 Thread Angela B.
Thank-you for the replies. My cat Sunny had follow-up bloodwork on Tuesday and 
has had modest improvement, which makes me very happy. He was diagnosed with 
feline leukemia just a week before. Neutered, fully vaccinated and before this 
completely healthy. I noticed his gums were pale and he lost a pound or two but 
I didn't think it was anything serious.  I think I'm over the initial shock and 
just focusing on keeping him happy. He's on prednisone and interferon now. 
  I hate being faced with unpredictability. The reason I asked about the 
transfusions was because the only other person I know who has a feline leukemia 
cat has had two years of good health after a transfusion. I'm realizing though 
that although the transfusion probably helped, that particular cat may have 
made it anyways. My Sunny is a shy guy, and before I subject him to the stress, 
I wanted to know if I'm really helping him. 
  My vet said it's hard on their liver and suggested against it at this point. 
I have 4 other cats, who of course have now all been exposed, so I'm learning 
as much as I can and hoping for the best.
   
  Thank-you for your help.
   
  Sincerely,
   
  Angela 

   
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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-16 Thread wendy
Hi Angela,

Did you get the answers you needed?  Speaking specifically about anemic cats 
who are FeLV+, blood transfusions are probably given every 10 days, and 
probably not more than 3 times.  This is only knowledge I have gleaned from 
what I've seen here in the past two years and might not be completely right.  
Some vets won't even do more than 2 transfusions.  Lance was right.  The anemia 
has to be corrected and transfusions only buy time; they don't fix the problem.

:)
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Subject: blood transfusion

I would like to know how often FELV cats are given blood transfusions and how 
successful are they?


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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-15 Thread Belinda
  Baileys anemia was Non regenerative and epogen and trednisolone 
brought it back to normal.


For example, Epogen has been discussed on this list for FeLV+ cats 
with regenerative anemia. Someone will hopefully come along to give 
much better (and more specific) info than I have.


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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-15 Thread Lance
And there you have it. The power of the list. 

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:32:17 -0700, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Baileys anemia was Non regenerative and epogen and trednisolone 
 brought it back to normal.
 
  For example, Epogen has been discussed on this list for FeLV+ cats 
  with regenerative anemia. Someone will hopefully come along to give 
  much better (and more specific) info than I have.
 
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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-15 Thread Belinda

I meant prednisolone

epogen and trednisolone


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blood transfusion

2007-10-13 Thread Angela B.
I would like to know how often FELV cats are given blood transfusions and how 
successful are they?
   
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Re: blood transfusion

2007-10-13 Thread Lance

Angela,

I have not had experience with transfusions and cats. From what I've  
read, transfusions are usually given to FeLV+ cats when they are  
severely anemic. The transfusion may be successful, in that the kitty  
will feel much better for awhile. Unfortunately, this doesn't clear  
up the anemia. It simply buys time, and the effects wear off. There  
are folks on this list with experience who can tell you their own  
stories, and a compassionate and experienced vet should be able to  
tell you when a transfusion is needed and what kind of success  
they've seen. I can tell you that you want to do what you can to  
boost red blood cell counts with other measures. For example, Epogen  
has been discussed on this list for FeLV+ cats with regenerative  
anemia. Someone will hopefully come along to give much better (and  
more specific) info than I have.


Lance


On Oct 13, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Angela B. wrote:

I would like to know how often FELV cats are given blood  
transfusions and how successful are they?


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FW: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

2006-05-09 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto
Hi, if anyone has an experience regarding transfusion, please respond
immediately as supposedly she scheduled to put her kitty sleep tomorrow
- 

-Original Message-
From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:07 PM
To: 'linda vann'; kschultz2006
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

Please don't give up yet - PCV 10 is definitely lower than we hope, but
considering the fact that all other numbers are not that bad - I think
you should definitely consider it.  I know you can also use epogen but
it will also take a couple of weeks to start building red cell through
epogen, and it will be too long for your baby.. and when you get
transfusion and you can start on epogen as well. I am also on Felk
support group and I know people who have done transfusion for their
kitties as well - I am copying the group here just in case you need to
post them the message as well.

felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of linda vann
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:56 PM
To: kschultz2006
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

dear kathy,

i have not been down this road but i was wondering if
you belong to the anemia group. im sure you will find
very experienced people there.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/

this is information from helens site

http://felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm

prayers for you and ollie.

linda, angel fabians mom
in texas

--- kschultz2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ollie is 19 - CRF since october - we have been
 managing well with 
 subQs and diet. Three days ago Ollie got very weak;
 not eating. At a 
 new vet today, found out he is very anemic - PCV is
 10! Other blood 
 panel numbers not too bad. Question of doing a
 transfusion, then 
 epogen or calling it the end and putting him to
 sleep (which the vet 
 said she would do if it were her cat). I scheduled
 it for Wednesday, 
 but wondering if it's the right thing. Can he pull
 out of this...just 
 to have another crisis down the road...in how many
 days/months from 
 now? Is this the end point of kidney failure. I'm
 crying so much - is 
 now the time to let him go? He's weak, but still
 responsive to me, to 
 touch. Please, has anyone else gone through a crisis
 like this?
 Kathy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: FW: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

2006-05-09 Thread Belinda
  Bailey had a transfusion a couple of hours before he passed, it did 
what we wanted it to do but for him it was too late.  He needed it to 
get his platelets up.


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Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

2006-05-09 Thread Kerry MacKenzie
Flavia was down to between 6-7.5 on June 22/05 when she had her transfusion.
The transfusion raised her PCV to 21 but it gradually dropped again over the
next 2 weeks and she was euthanized when it reached 10 on July 6.
The 2 weeks at least gave breathing space to try other measures.


- Original Message -
From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: FW: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion


Hi, if anyone has an experience regarding transfusion, please respond
immediately as supposedly she scheduled to put her kitty sleep tomorrow
-

-Original Message-
From: Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:07 PM
To: 'linda vann'; kschultz2006
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

Please don't give up yet - PCV 10 is definitely lower than we hope, but
considering the fact that all other numbers are not that bad - I think
you should definitely consider it.  I know you can also use epogen but
it will also take a couple of weeks to start building red cell through
epogen, and it will be too long for your baby.. and when you get
transfusion and you can start on epogen as well. I am also on Felk
support group and I know people who have done transfusion for their
kitties as well - I am copying the group here just in case you need to
post them the message as well.

felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of linda vann
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:56 PM
To: kschultz2006
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

dear kathy,

i have not been down this road but i was wondering if
you belong to the anemia group. im sure you will find
very experienced people there.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/

this is information from helens site

http://felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm

prayers for you and ollie.

linda, angel fabians mom
in texas

--- kschultz2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ollie is 19 - CRF since october - we have been
 managing well with
 subQs and diet. Three days ago Ollie got very weak;
 not eating. At a
 new vet today, found out he is very anemic - PCV is
 10! Other blood
 panel numbers not too bad. Question of doing a
 transfusion, then
 epogen or calling it the end and putting him to
 sleep (which the vet
 said she would do if it were her cat). I scheduled
 it for Wednesday,
 but wondering if it's the right thing. Can he pull
 out of this...just
 to have another crisis down the road...in how many
 days/months from
 now? Is this the end point of kidney failure. I'm
 crying so much - is
 now the time to let him go? He's weak, but still
 responsive to me, to
 touch. Please, has anyone else gone through a crisis
 like this?
 Kathy








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Re: [CRF] desperately need advice-blood transfusion

2006-05-09 Thread Lernermichelle




Simon's went from 11 up to 13 from a transfusion and then with proper 
treatment for lymphoma went back up to 30 for a while.
Michelle

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Flavia 
  was down to between 6-7.5 on June 22/05 when she had her transfusion.The 
  transfusion raised her PCV to 21 but it gradually dropped again over 
  thenext 2 weeks and she was euthanized when it reached 10 on July 
  6.The 2 weeks at least gave breathing space to try other 
  measures.