is the proper fix,
but it is highly unlikely any other change is.
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now the technicals of
this instance, but the first version of this patch looks like it could
be the proper fix fix. The second version is not a fix at all, no need
to know the technicals to know it.
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s. Add asserts where there are none.
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one can resign from, and even less something one can be expelled from.
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necessary, but it is possible a small bit in
the common framework is missing to fully work with the simplified
interface.
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ave to think about when you design an
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} else {
???
}
What do you put in the else clause when you already handled all types
you know how to handle?
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f you are using a 2026 FFmpeg with an application
from 2024, all the types introduced in FFmpeg between 2024 and 2026 will
be and cannot have a specific GUI, unless they are trivial enumerations.
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lso blocked by the lack of a good strings API:
- exfiltration of structured data (statistics, detection…) from filters;
- rich built-in documentation;
- API for error reporting (≠ logging);
- list not exhaustive.
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Paul B Mahol (12024-06-17):
> And once you close all buffersinks the EOF will and must propagate backward
> to all not-closed filters and their in/out pads.
Your analysis here is right, obviously. Closing a source for this bug
makes no sense.
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Nicolas George (12024-04-14):
> Either we find options to make ffplay display frames as fast as
> possible, or we must document to the user that no adequate replacement
> exists.
Please add “-vf setpts=0”. It still has a little more latency than a
built-in device, but at least the featu
the last one
is almost instantaneous.
Either we find options to make ffplay display frames as fast as
possible, or we must document to the user that no adequate replacement
exists.
Or we make a point of fixing the devices that were broken.
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Tomas Härdin (12024-04-12):
> Makes me wonder what kind of devices people run that haven't been
> updated in 10+ years..
The kind of devices that no longer get software updates but the owner
cannot afford to replace.
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While the last time FFmpeg added features… is not that recent since
features are more being removed these days, but still recent enough.
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Niklas Haas (12024-04-10):
> I think a greedy algorithm (not requiring juggling multiple random
> passes) can still work,
It does not work for audio. Have you studied what works for audio? It is
quite subtle and full of pitfalls.
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wer to enforce. I am ancient enough in
the project to remember the time where supporting every use case was
almost an official motto, and lucid enough to realise that it was the
main reason for the success of the project.
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I do not know what you try to mean here and I do not want to know. I
hope you realize you have no authority to decide which ASS file is valid
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upposed to be already sorted; ASS demuxer sorts its packets because
there is no guarantee the text are sorted in the file. [exploding head
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after the
dialogues, relying on sorting by the player.
(But I guess in the New and Improved FFmpeg, files originating from the
fansub world are not worth our time, it is enough to be able to decode
files for Crunchyroll…)
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an option.
Please let somebody else do it.
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p, and re-instate a
project leader from the second category. Or just consider that the
ousting of the leader was unlawful.
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Ronald S. Bultje (12024-03-08):
> I hope you realize that is what reconciliation looks like.
No, it is not. It is what a takeover disguised as reconciliation looks
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Sean McGovern (12024-03-08):
> Everybody can we *please* keep the responses civil/professional on the ML.
Civil, certainly, provided others are civil to me.
Professional, not a chance. This is Libre Software, not a job.
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ed one of the options.
But at this point, what's a little more of it…
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d luck proving nobody in the whole world ever chose to try this
codec and kept the file. Maybe they are not even subscribed to this list
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J. Dekker (12024-02-28):
> Keeping the codec around based on 'what if?'s doesn't seem
> reasonable.
Spending your efforts on it, even if it is just to remove it, is a waste
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proposal strengthens the rule, by making it clear recusal is the
expected action when there is the slightest doubt about a bias. It is
the only way to keep members of the TC equal to the other developers.
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gt; Signed-off-by: Hanna Ciebiera
Hi. This is completely wrong. And I am pretty sure with this patch the
compiler produces a new warning that tell that it is wrong.
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e, it was because you thought it was
right to apply it, that this rule applied would make the ruling more
just and trustworthy.
My proposal wants to make absolutely clear your concern was valid.
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Michael Niedermayer (12024-02-23):
> Each option should provide a patch.
Fine. But the wording can be discussed too.
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in my alternate proposition as is.
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Kieran Kunhya (12024-02-20):
> This isn't the same thing. The TC is more like a jury where a juror can
> have an opinion and their opinion can be swayed by arguments during private
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use any member
of the TC without having to provide a reason.
If the application of these rules result in all members of the TC
recused or if the remaining members do not feel comfortable being too
few, that means the project is in a crisis of trust that needs to be
resolved by the general assembly.
oject FFmpeg.
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it's just a hyperbole, extending the deviance of this thought
> logic.
Indeed, somebody stupid enough to not how a rule to prevent somebody
from placing themselves above the others is necessary could make that
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Vittorio Giovara (12024-02-19):
> There are many in the section snipped below the original email.
You are making accusations. You know what it implies.
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nuation that I am acting in bad faith.
There is no insinuation in the mail you are answering to.
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where you establish that I
“forced” anything?
Otherwise, you are just being libelous.
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fake, condescending politeness is worse than sincerity.
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hout
having to recuse themselves, when it inevitably gets noticed they should
be evicted from the committees, the general assembly and the git write
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Vittorio Giovara (12024-02-18):
> While I value your insights, I'd like to offer a different
> viewpoint regarding the practice of recusing oneself from discussions.
That might be your viewpoint, but that is not what the rules we all
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call for a vote of no confidence in the TC or one of its
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shonest would try to exploit that
loophole.
The obvious answer is: if somebody in the TC does not do what the rules
say they SHOULD, then the general assembly SHOULD vote them out at the
next election. Or earlier, because a vote of no confidence can be
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I have lost all confidence in both committees and consider the only hope
to save this project is if Fabrice reboots it.
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having a trial and not listening to the defense.
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he committees, so that
they can be sure the tech will side with them and they can threaten you
if you point that their objections are flimsy a little too clearly, then
they can block your patch with a vague “it does not belong in ffmpeg”,
that does require a lot less effort than
Anton Khirnov (12024-02-07):
> ...so they are precisely broken by design.
Words words words.
Words to try and hide that something used to work for people and now you
are done with it it no longer works.
Exactly the kind of attitude that killed libav, killing FFmpeg now.
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Anton Khirnov (12024-02-07):
> For instance? What do these devices support that e.g. NUT does not?
Returning the latency of the device.
> neither should we try.
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Zhao Zhili (12024-02-06):
> Those examples are broken already before the patch.
Funny that the people who actually use the feature had not noticed.
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Kieran Kunhya (12024-01-30):
> So you agree the proposed Statement of Work idea in this thread isn't going
> to fly as it won't cover actual code review?
If that is what you read in what I wrote, I suggest you take reading
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> The patches were on the mailing list for months, there was a presentation
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dness for anything that would delay
applying the series once it was posted, even if it was severe breakage
of features.
But sure, let us pretend that corporate meddling with FFmpeg is not
harmful to the project.
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Vittorio Giovara (12024-01-30):
> Sorry but this feels a lot like "thanks for your feedback, I'm going to do
> this anyway".
Sorry, but this feels a lot like “I gave an objection, you have to treat
it like a veto”.
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the actual demuxing work.
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Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> Nah, NIH is bad.
Then you need to find a different project. FFmpeg exists because a
genius hacker decided to NIH a MPEG software decoder.
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Tomas Härdin (12023-12-24):
> But I'd prefer if it were replaced by bmxlib.
Yes, we know that you have not understood that the raison d'être of
FFmpeg is to IMPLEMENT natively all multimedia formats and protocols and
the utility code they need, not be a mere collection of wrappers.
Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> I agree, I hope you can work on your lack of self-awareness.
Oh, the “Ah ?… Et moi, Cyrano-Savinien-Hercule De Bergerac.” comeback.
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> Not sure what gave you the idea
Mails like this one for example. The lack of self-awareness is
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Vittorio Giovara (12023-12-21):
> Oh so you know how it feels!
I am not surprised to see your animosity against me is stronger than
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> Say what serious feature you contributed ? - Nothing.
I did not want to say it, but since it is now in the open: Not nothing:
negative. His naysaying discouraged me from working further on the
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it must output at lease O2a, which means it must
output O1b and O1c if that was not done at the time of I1.
Your filter only outputs one frame per input, but it seems to me it can
create several frames.
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as much energy having this discussion. I congratulate you on an
efficient use of developers resources.
> Brag about your criminal enterprise and get busted by cops?
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oing heavy lifting to turn a
perfectly true sentence into a completely stupid value judgement.
Fortunately for me, I do not mean the above sentence literally, is is
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se who did not know the code would post a clueless
“LGTM”.
(The online archives of libav-devel seem to have disappeared, so I
cannot link to the example I bookmarked.)
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ions in the main thread is a basic
feature for any kind of threading architecture. See g_idle_add() for
example: “the callback will be invoked in whichever thread is running
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rations on it.
> The muxers would totally unchanged be running on a random thread
> but que some operation on the main thread if an external lib, driver or
> other needs it.
> Naively that feels relatively clean to me
Of course. Having that kind of mechanism is obviously necessary
supporting this opinion of yours. Quite the opposite,
over the years, Stefano and others, including me, have made some headway
in this direction without hitting these pitfalls.
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hifting the times of the segments
defined in the index. You can probably do the same.
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> libavutil/version.h | 2 +-
> 6 files changed, 296 insertions(+), 170 deletions(-)
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to replace SDL in ffplay by lavd. It has not progressed very fast,
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conversion specifier with all the usual caveats. If not, and
there are distros who forbid it for no valid reason, then I say to hell
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filter_frame(). That will work in simple linear graphs but not in
graphs with branches and/or time shifts. See doc/filter_design.txt for
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ach library call the ones
in the library it depends on, and core functions like *register_all()
call it. Then if the libraries are mixed at run time it will produce an
error message by the linker that can be searched on the web.
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Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
> Keep antagonizing more people in the community, it's a great idea.
The community is dead. And you never belonged to it anyway, with your
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> You are delusional.
Oh, this is absolutely appropriate, especially from somebody who just
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Jean-Baptiste Kempf (12023-12-07):
> Why?
Because after twelve years libav has finally managed to take control and
FFmpeg is now essentially dead.
Thank you for your contribution in this.
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Michael and like you just ran Paul out.
Good job.
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than working on FFmpeg.
Regards,
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ecause you will ignore Marton's objection
just like your ignored mine.
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disregard for users and disrespect for fellow
developers.
I hope Fabrice keeps control of the domain, so that we can revive FFmpeg
in a few years.
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work together.
“Do this or I will break your code” is an unacceptable behavior, whether
it is directed at me or at Paul or at anybody else, and I do not spend
effort when unacceptable behavior is tolerated.
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