Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-14 Thread Reimar Döffinger
Hello everyone! (no meaning attached to which mail I respond to) While it reads less bad today than it did yesterday night, please try to keep the things written in the code of conduct in mind, assume best intentions etc., this thread didn't quite live up to it IMO. It's possible to state even

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 10:53 PM Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > > Release branches provide a guarantee of API, ABI and feature > > stability. > > And we sadly did not always hold that guarantee=-( Mistakes have been made. We shall strive to be better in the future, and not use them as an excuse to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:46 Uhr schrieb Hendrik Leppkes : > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 10:37 PM Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > > > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb James Almer : > > > > > > On 5/13/2019 5:23 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > > > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread James Almer
On 5/13/2019 5:36 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb James Almer : >> >> On 5/13/2019 5:23 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: >>> Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb James Almer : On 5/13/2019 5:13 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 10:37 PM Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb James Almer : > > > > On 5/13/2019 5:23 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb James Almer : > > >> > > >> On 5/13/2019 5:13 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:32 Uhr schrieb James Almer : > > On 5/13/2019 5:23 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb James Almer : > >> > >> On 5/13/2019 5:13 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > >>> Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Marton Balint : > > 1)

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread James Almer
On 5/13/2019 5:23 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb James Almer : >> >> On 5/13/2019 5:13 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: >>> Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Marton Balint : On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:18 Uhr schrieb James Almer : > > On 5/13/2019 5:13 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Marton Balint : > >> > >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> There has been discussion on the mailing list

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread James Almer
On 5/13/2019 5:13 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Marton Balint : >> >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the >>> inclusion of support for closed source

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Am Mo., 13. Mai 2019 um 22:10 Uhr schrieb Marton Balint : > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > > filters, etc) in the main

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-13 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the removal of libNDI happened without general

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-08 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the removal of libNDI happened without general

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-08 Thread Jan Ekström
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 11:02 PM Marton Balint wrote: > > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-06 Thread Mark Thompson
On 28/04/2019 21:02, Marton Balint wrote: > 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? Yes. - Mark ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-05 Thread Philip Langdale
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:02:11 +0200 (CEST) Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-05 Thread Li, Zhong
> From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Marton Balint > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 4:02 AM > To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > Subject: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source > components > > Hi All, >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-05 Thread Reimar Döffinger
On 03.05.2019, at 20:16, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 11:08:35AM +0200, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: >> Am Fr., 3. Mai 2019 um 07:27 Uhr schrieb Jeyapal, Karthick >> : > >> And finally: What do you suggest to "punish the violator"? > > while this question wasnt directed at

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-04 Thread myp...@gmail.com
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:02 AM Marton Balint wrote: > > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Steven Liu
> 在 2019年5月4日,上午9:32,Peter Ross 写道: > >> On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 10:43:36AM -0700, Baptiste Coudurier wrote: >> >>> On May 3, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >>> >>> On 4/28/19, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Peter Ross
On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 10:43:36AM -0700, Baptiste Coudurier wrote: > > > On May 3, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > > > On 4/28/19, Marton Balint wrote: > >> Hi All, > >> > >> There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > >> inclusion of support for closed

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 11:08:35AM +0200, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > Am Fr., 3. Mai 2019 um 07:27 Uhr schrieb Jeyapal, Karthick > : > > > In this case NDI took prompt action and removed the said binaries from > > their website immediately. > > This is not true, please stop spreading this wrong

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Baptiste Coudurier
> On May 3, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > On 4/28/19, Marton Balint wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the >> inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, >> filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. >>

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Fri, 3 May 2019, at 07:27, Jeyapal, Karthick wrote: > Open source violation by NDI is a serious issue that needs to be > addressed. But removing the libndi plugin from the ffmpeg repository > will not address the issue of violation. A willful violator can still You are confusing 2 things: -

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Dennis Mungai
On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 15:24, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > > > > > Kieran, > > > > Can you point to evidence on the same? An active legal threat to "a > > developer writing an open source implementation of NDI"? > > > > With that in place, it wouldn't be ignored as a material fact, would it? > > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Kieran Kunhya
> > > Kieran, > > Can you point to evidence on the same? An active legal threat to "a > developer writing an open source implementation of NDI"? > > With that in place, it wouldn't be ignored as a material fact, would it? > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7589 Discussed in there. A few people in

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Am Fr., 3. Mai 2019 um 07:27 Uhr schrieb Jeyapal, Karthick : > In this case NDI took prompt action and removed the said binaries from their > website immediately. This is not true, please stop spreading this wrong claim. > A similar violation was done by Amazon some time back >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 5/3/19, Gyan wrote: > > > On 29-04-2019 01:32 AM, Marton Balint wrote: >> So here is a call to the voting committee [1] to decide on the >> following two questions: >> >> 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? > > No. > Yes. > Gyan >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Gyan
On 29-04-2019 01:32 AM, Marton Balint wrote: So here is a call to the voting committee [1] to decide on the following two questions: 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? No. Gyan ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Dennis Mungai
On Fri, May 3, 2019, 10:22 Kieran Kunhya wrote: > On Fri, 3 May 2019, 06:27 Jeyapal, Karthick, wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:02 PM Marton Balint wrote: > > > > > (In this case, NDI plugin is already open source). > > > This is untrue. > > Furthermore, I am amazed you are all

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 4/28/19, Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened without general

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-03 Thread Kieran Kunhya
On Fri, 3 May 2019, 06:27 Jeyapal, Karthick, wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:02 PM Marton Balint wrote: > > > (In this case, NDI plugin is already open source). This is untrue. Furthermore, I am amazed you are all ignoring the fact this is an Open Source hostile company, actively

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-02 Thread Jeyapal, Karthick
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:02 PM Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-02 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Am Do., 2. Mai 2019 um 12:30 Uhr schrieb Timo Rothenpieler : > > On 28/04/2019 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: > > 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? > > No What do you suggest instead? Carl Eugen ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-02 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
On 28/04/2019 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the removal of libNDI happened without general

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-02 Thread Nicolas George
Marton Balint (12019-04-28): > 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? Yes. > 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered > "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? Yes to that too, even though the vote was withdrawn pending

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-01 Thread James Almer
On 4/29/2019 1:34 AM, Gyan wrote: > > > On 29-04-2019 05:37 AM, Marton Balint wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the >>> inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-05-01 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 4:02 PM Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:35 PM Marton Balint wrote: > We can't really change this for the better unless there is a somewhat > "recognized" authority which has the power to make decisions, rules, and > enforce them. > > I hoped that this can be the voting comitte. The voting commitee is pretty

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-04-29 20:34 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : > Voting is important, because people typically accept > majority decisions even if they don't agree with them. Sounds like an interesting argument. > I believe that this is why several people including > me expressed that NDI removal should only have

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread Nicolas George
Marton Balint (12019-04-29): > At the moment, it looks to me that FFmpeg is a community without leadership, > enforced rules and consequences. In fact, I consider this the main reason > why people consider working in it an unfriendly experience. > > We can't really change this for the better

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread Marton Balint
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: 2019-04-29 1:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? This sounds to me as if you know of an

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-04-29 1:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > >> 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : >> >>> 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? >> >> This sounds to me as if you know of an alternative to not endorsing >> a company

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread James Almer
On 4/29/2019 4:23 AM, Reimar Döffinger wrote: > On 28.04.2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the >> inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, >> etc) in the main ffmpeg

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-29 Thread Reimar Döffinger
On 28.04.2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, > etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened without

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Gyan
On 29-04-2019 05:37 AM, Marton Balint wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 8:14 PM Marton Balint wrote: > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, at 00:23, Marton Balint wrote: > >> >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: > >> >>> 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, at 00:23, Marton Balint wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: >>> 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered >>> "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected?

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the removal of libNDI happened without general

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? This sounds to me as if you know of an alternative to not endorsing a company that profits from FFmpeg while at the same time violating

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : > 1) Should libNDI support be removed from the ffmpeg codebase? This sounds to me as if you know of an alternative to not endorsing a company that profits from FFmpeg while at the same time violating the copyright of the FFmpeg developers? What could

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, at 00:23, Marton Balint wrote: > >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: > >>> 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered > >>> "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? > >> > >> You mean "major components"? > >> (at no

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Marton Balint wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? You mean "major

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Mark Thompson wrote: On 28/04/2019 21:02, Marton Balint wrote: ... closed source libraries which are not considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL ... Please can you define this in a precise way which does not rely upon interpreting the GPL? There are

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-04-28 23:34 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > >> 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : >>> 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not >>> considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? >> >> Do I understand

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? You mean "major components"? (at no point does the GPLv2

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? Do I understand correctly that this question is equivalent to requesting

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-04-28 23:29 GMT+02:00, Jean-Baptiste Kempf : > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:44, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: >> 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : >> > 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not >> > considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? >> >> Do

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:02, Marton Balint wrote: > 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not considered > "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? You mean "major components"? (at no point does the GPLv2 mention "System Libraries". -- Jean-Baptiste Kempf -

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Mark Thompson
On 28/04/2019 21:02, Marton Balint wrote: > ... closed source libraries which are not considered "System Libraries" > according to the GPL ... Please can you define this in a precise way which does not rely upon interpreting the GPL? There are certainly differing opinions about exactly what

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, at 22:44, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > 2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : > > 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not > > considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? > > Do I understand correctly that this question is equivalent

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Kieran Kunhya
> > [1] http://lists.ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2019-April/242574.html There are numerous inactive people in the voting committee, some for years. Why are they arbitrarily allowed to vote on this? Kieran ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, James Almer wrote: On 4/28/2019 5:02 PM, Marton Balint wrote: Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the removal

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2019-04-28 22:02 GMT+02:00, Marton Balint : > 2) Should patches using closed source libraries which are not > considered "System Libraries" according to the GPL be rejected? Do I understand correctly that this question is equivalent to requesting the removal of the decklink wrapper? Carl Eugen

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread James Almer
On 4/28/2019 5:02 PM, Marton Balint wrote: > Hi All, > > There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the > inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, > filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. > > Also the removal of libNDI happened without

[FFmpeg-devel] [DECISION] Project policy on closed source components

2019-04-28 Thread Marton Balint
Hi All, There has been discussion on the mailing list several times about the inclusion of support for closed source components (codecs, formats, filters, etc) in the main ffmpeg codebase. Also the removal of libNDI happened without general consensus, so a vote is necessary to justify the