Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-05 Thread Nicolas George
Rémi Denis-Courmont (12023-10-05): > He has made no secret that he does not _want_ to be in the same team. A few > months ago, he told several people here to (and I quote) "go fork > [themselves]". Honesty would have involved quoting the “if” before that. -- Nicolas George signature.asc

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-05 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le torstaina 5. lokakuuta 2023, 21.33.16 EEST Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > Hi Vittorio > > On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 01:32:11PM -0400, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 8:55 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > Anton Khirnov (12023-10-04): > > > > It is IMO perfectly reasonable to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-05 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-10-05): > There is a lot of content on the web that exemplifies that in professional > environments: Well, good thing FFmpeg is not a professional environment. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-05 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Vittorio On Thu, Oct 05, 2023 at 01:32:11PM -0400, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 8:55 AM Nicolas George wrote: > > > Anton Khirnov (12023-10-04): > > > It is IMO perfectly reasonable to wonder why does someone who does not > > > agree with the basic rules participate in

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-05 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 8:55 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Anton Khirnov (12023-10-04): > > It is IMO perfectly reasonable to wonder why does someone who does not > > agree with the basic rules participate in the project. > > Or you could have given the issue just two more seconds of thought and >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-05 Thread Nicolas George
Anton Khirnov (12023-10-04): > It is IMO perfectly reasonable to wonder why does someone who does not > agree with the basic rules participate in the project. Or you could have given the issue just two more seconds of thought and realized that FFmpeg is a software project rather than a Nomic

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-04 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le keskiviikkona 4. lokakuuta 2023, 17.23.12 EEST Michael Niedermayer a écrit : > > Why are you part of a community project if you don't believe the > > community is capable of running a project? > > Questioning why some developer is part of FFmpeg is IMHO a violation of > the Code of Conduct. No

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-04 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-10-04 16:23:12) > Hi Kieran > > i didnt really want to get drawn into this discussion but there is one > point i have to make > > On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 08:29:23PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:50 PM Nicolas George

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-04 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-27 20:03:12) > > again IMO any change to what SW we use needs more discussion than a > > "who likes gitlab, who likes gitwhatever" vote > > I think its very important that we do not loose independance and run > our own infrastructure. > > That said. > > I

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-04 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Kieran i didnt really want to get drawn into this discussion but there is one point i have to make On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 08:29:23PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel wrote: > On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:50 PM Nicolas George wrote: > > More precisely, I now strongly believe that democracy

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-03 Thread Leo Izen
On 10/3/23 14:50, Nicolas George wrote: As the project grows, democracy gives an increasing weight to people who came late to contribute to the project in specialized ways I have more than 20 commits in the last year, although my contributions are almost entirely to one specific module that I

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-03 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le tiistaina 3. lokakuuta 2023, 21.50.25 EEST Nicolas George a écrit : > More precisely, I now strongly believe that democracy is a terrible way > to run a project like FFmpeg. > > As the project grows, democracy gives an increasing weight to people who > came late to contribute to the project in

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-03 Thread Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:50 PM Nicolas George wrote: > More precisely, I now strongly believe that democracy is a terrible way > to run a project like FFmpeg. Why are you part of a community project if you don't believe the community is capable of running a project? Why not start your own

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-03 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 2:50 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-27): > > This is basically saying that you don't trust the community to make the > > best decisions for itself, or that the community is not mature enough to > > stand on its own to support the project. > > You are

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-03 Thread Nicolas George
Vittorio Giovara (12023-09-27): > This is basically saying that you don't trust the community to make the > best decisions for itself, or that the community is not mature enough to > stand on its own to support the project. You are twisting the words to make it sound bad, but it is roughly what I

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-03 Thread Nicolas George
Kyle Swanson (12023-09-24): > DNS > --- > > - Currently the DNS of ffmpeg.org is managed by Fabrice > - Michael was asked if he has control over the ffmpeg.org DNS register. > - Michael says he thinks he has some. > - Ronald would be curious to know what "some" means. > - Ronald

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-10-02 Thread Nicolas George
Kyle Swanson (12023-09-24): > AVFrame Subtitles > - > > - Lynne cares about this, and hasn't done work on this yet. > - Lynee suggests she could make time to collaborate with others on this. > - Anton, others, say it makes sense to do this to avoid special handling > of

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
Hi Ill add a few points to sw/infrastructure point here On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 12:09:38PM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote: [...] > On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 09:37:03AM +0100, Kyle Swanson wrote: [...] > > Gitlab (or something like Gitlab) > > - > > > > - Ronald

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-27 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 6:01 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > What we have currently is not a king making decissions. > What we have currently is the founder having a final (very difficult to > use) > veto power to prevent something catastrophic > This is basically saying that you don't trust

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-27 Thread Tomas Härdin
sön 2023-09-24 klockan 09:37 +0100 skrev Kyle Swanson: > Gitlab (or something like Gitlab) > - > -   J-B recommends against gitea, suggesting that we piggyback on the > videolan Gitlab experience infra. As someone who's tried to maintain a Gitlab instance I can

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-27 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 03:21:49PM +0200, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi Michael, > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 6:45 PM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > I disagree > > * Who is and is not a member of the GA is in flux, there can be disputes > > even on GA membership. > > * You cannot have

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-26 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Michael Niedermayer (2023-09-24 18:45:37) > > I believe the GA should have sole control and ownership over the domain and > > trademark. I suggested to kindly ask Fabrice to transfer ownership and/or > > legal control permanently to a non-profit controlled by and composed of > > only our

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-26 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Kyle Swanson (2023-09-24 10:37:03) > Hi, > > Here are my notes from the VDD meeting. If I missed anything, please feel > free to send corrections. Thank you very much for the notes, they are very helpful. -- Anton Khirnov ___ ffmpeg-devel

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-26 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi Michael, On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 6:45 PM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > I disagree > * Who is and is not a member of the GA is in flux, there can be disputes > even on GA membership. > * You cannot have something owned by a group like that. There needs to be > an individual like a

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-25 Thread Cosmin Stejerean via ffmpeg-devel
> On Sep 24, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 04:10:00PM +0100, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: >> >> >> I believe the GA should have sole control and ownership over the domain and >> trademark. I suggested to kindly ask Fabrice to transfer ownership

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Derek Buitenhuis
On 9/24/2023 11:13 AM, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > What are you talking about? This is just people in the room, who asked to be > in the extra bucket, because they don't have the required commit numbers. It > does not mean it's the complete list. I do have the relevant commit numbers, I was

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Niedermayer (12023-09-24): > Also SW must be easy maintainable, everything i hear of gitlab is saying > the opposit. I have not read the rest of the message yet, for now I just want to mention that a non-negligible part of my job in the last year involved upgrading GitLab after emergency

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 04:10:00PM +0100, Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 1:40 PM Marton Balint wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2023, Kyle Swanson wrote: > > > DNS > > > --- > > > > > > - Currently the DNS of ffmpeg.org is managed by Fabrice > > > - Michael was asked

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi Michael, On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 11:09 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 09:37:03AM +0100, Kyle Swanson wrote: > > Gitlab (or something like Gitlab) > > - > > > > - Ronald is proposing that we move to Gitlab, or something similar > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Ronald S. Bultje
Hi, On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 1:40 PM Marton Balint wrote: > On Sun, 24 Sep 2023, Kyle Swanson wrote: > > DNS > > --- > > > > - Currently the DNS of ffmpeg.org is managed by Fabrice > > - Michael was asked if he has control over the ffmpeg.org DNS > register. > > - Michael says he thinks he

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 02:36:20PM +0200, Marton Balint wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2023, Kyle Swanson wrote: > > > DNS > > --- > > > > - Currently the DNS of ffmpeg.org is managed by Fabrice > > - Michael was asked if he has control over the ffmpeg.org DNS register. > > - Michael says

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Marton Balint
On Sun, 24 Sep 2023, Kyle Swanson wrote: DNS --- - Currently the DNS of ffmpeg.org is managed by Fabrice - Michael was asked if he has control over the ffmpeg.org DNS register. - Michael says he thinks he has some. - Ronald would be curious to know what "some" means. - Ronald

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] VDD 2023, FFmpeg meeting notes, (23-11-2023, 4pm, Dublin)

2023-09-24 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
>> General Assembly, Candidates (J-B will mail a vote): >> - BBB >> - Derek > > Quite interresting that every single developer who probably isnt going > to support > some of the significant changes proposed later disappeared from the > Previous > Candidates What are you talking about? This