Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Reino Wijnsma]

On 14-12-2017 20:51, Lou Logan  wrote:
> Also, I believe Zeranoe stopped providing XP builds in 2016 so it will
> be no issue downstream.
I still am . But 
hey, it's your call in the end.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Lou Logan]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017, at 04:26 AM, wm4 wrote:
> The subject of the vote is:
> 
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?

I vote "yes".

(But I can't remember if I'm on the vote list and I couldn't find it.)

Also, I believe Zeranoe stopped providing XP builds in 2016 so it will
be no issue downstream.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[James Almer]

On 12/14/2017 10:26 AM, wm4 wrote:
> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> support.
> 
> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> developers not being able to test.
> 
> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> a topic recently.
> 
> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
> 
> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> APIs.
> 
> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
> 
> The subject of the vote is:
> 
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?
> 
> Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
> 
> My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
> vote, I really don't know).

I vote yes, of course.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[wm4]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 16:01:55 +0100
Michael Niedermayer  wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 02:26:31PM +0100, wm4 wrote:
> > I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> > Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> > support.
> > 
> > The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> > in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> > other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> > developers not being able to test.
> > 
> > Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> > rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> > a topic recently.
> > 
> > Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> > almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> > merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> > effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
> > 
> > We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> > APIs.
> > 
> > I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> > meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
> > 
> > The subject of the vote is:
> > 
> >   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
> >   next FFmpeg major release?
> > 
> > Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
> > 
> > My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
> > vote, I really don't know).  
> 
> I dont remember anyone opposing "droping XP support", I have to wonder
> why there is a vote on something, noone (that i remember) objected
> to. At least not recently.

To avoid flamewars and drama when someone actually makes a change that
would break Windows XP.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 02:26:31PM +0100, wm4 wrote:
> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> support.
> 
> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> developers not being able to test.
> 
> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> a topic recently.
> 
> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
> 
> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> APIs.
> 
> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
> 
> The subject of the vote is:
> 
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?
> 
> Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
> 
> My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
> vote, I really don't know).

I dont remember anyone opposing "droping XP support", I have to wonder
why there is a vote on something, noone (that i remember) objected
to. At least not recently.


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Tomas Härdin]

On 2017-12-14 14:26, wm4 wrote:

I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
support.

The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
developers not being able to test.

Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
a topic recently.

Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.

We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
APIs.

I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).

The subject of the vote is:

   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
   next FFmpeg major release?

Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.

My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
vote, I really don't know).


I'm not on the committee, but I'd vote "yes"

/Tomas
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Rostislav Pehlivanov]

On 14 December 2017 at 13:26, wm4  wrote:

> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> support.
>
> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> developers not being able to test.
>
> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> a topic recently.
>
> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
>
> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> APIs.
>
> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
>
> The subject of the vote is:
>
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?
>
> Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
>
> My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
> vote, I really don't know).
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Yes
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Steven Liu]

> 在 2017年12月14日，下午10:12，Hendrik Leppkes  写道：
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:26 PM, wm4  wrote:
>> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
>> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
>> support.
>> 
>> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
>> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
>> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
>> developers not being able to test.
>> 
>> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
>> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
>> a topic recently.
>> 
>> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
>> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
>> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
>> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
>> 
> 
> End of Extended Support was April 8, 2014, but still already 3.5 years ago.
> 
>> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
>> APIs.
>> 
>> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
>> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
>> 
>> The subject of the vote is:
>> 
>>  Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>>  next FFmpeg major release?
>> 
>> Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
>> 
>> My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
>> vote, I really don't know).
> 
> 
> Yes, absolutely.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Hendrik Leppkes]

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:26 PM, wm4  wrote:
> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> support.
>
> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> developers not being able to test.
>
> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> a topic recently.
>
> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
>

End of Extended Support was April 8, 2014, but still already 3.5 years ago.

> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> APIs.
>
> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
>
> The subject of the vote is:
>
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?
>
> Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
>
> My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
> vote, I really don't know).


Yes, absolutely.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Derek Buitenhuis]

On 12/14/2017 1:26 PM, wm4 wrote:
> The subject of the vote is:
> 
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?

I am not on the voting list (which is form 2015 and contains people who have
since vanished, as well), but I would like to put forth my support for 'Yes',
even if it doesn't count as a real vote.

- Derek
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Rodger Combs]

> On Dec 14, 2017, at 07:26, wm4  wrote:
> 
> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> support.
> 
> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> developers not being able to test.
> 
> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> a topic recently.
> 
> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
> 
> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> APIs.
> 
> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
> 
> The subject of the vote is:
> 
>  Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>  next FFmpeg major release?

Yes.

> 
> Current release branches are explicitly unaffected.
> 
> My own vote on this issue is "yes" (assuming I still have a right for a
> vote, I really don't know).
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] [Vote] Drop Windows XP support

[Ronald S. Bultje]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 8:26 AM, wm4  wrote:

> I propose that FFmpeg sets the minimum supported Windows version to
> Windows Vista (or maybe Windows 7). This would remove Windows XP
> support.
>
> The reason is that Windows XP does not provide certain convenient APIs,
> in particular locking primitives that map well to pthread. There are
> other problems, such as upstream projects dropping XP support, and
> developers not being able to test.
>
> Dropping it has advantages for us. For example, it would allow is to
> rewrite the messy locking code for AVCodec registration, which has been
> a topic recently.
>
> Microsoft ended all support for Windows XP on January 31, 2009. That's
> almost a decade ago. There is a lack of security updates, which makes
> merely using Windows XP dangerous. There is no reason to put so much
> effort into supporting an old, unsupported OS.
>
> We should drop XP support, and allow unconditional use of Windows Vista
> APIs.
>
> I'm also casting an internal vote to probe for support (this vote is
> meant for members of the FFmpeg voting committee only).
>
> The subject of the vote is:
>
>   Should we drop support for Windows XP starting in git master and the
>   next FFmpeg major release?


Yes.

Ronald
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