Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-12-15 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
From: ffmpeg-devel <ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org> on behalf of Compn <te...@mi.rr.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 9:27 AM To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-12-15 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Am 15.12.2017 um 15:27 schrieb Compn: On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:31:27 +, "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: Do you think that two and half weeks is long enough to wait? So far except creating a repo for NVidia there is no activity. did you resend your patchset without the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-12-15 Thread Compn
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:31:27 +, "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > Do you think that two and half weeks is long enough to wait? > So far except creating a repo for NVidia there is no activity. did you resend your patchset without the header included? sorry i am too busy

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-12-15 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Do you think that two and half weeks is long enough to wait? So far except creating a repo for NVidia there is no activity. I'm not yet happy with how the external repository works, and I'm quite busy with other stuff at the moment. But it will get used eventually. smime.p7s Description:

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-12-14 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Compn > Sent: November 29, 2017 10:50 AM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header > > O

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-12-01 Thread Tobias Rapp
On 01.12.2017 00:32, Marton Balint wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Mironov, Mikhail wrote: Hi, This conversation is very entertaining but leads us nowhere. May I suggest to go down to business of enabling HW encoders by default? Yesterday Mark submitted the initial implementation and I really

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-30 Thread Marton Balint
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, Mironov, Mikhail wrote: -Original Message- From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf Of Paul B Mahol Sent: November 29, 2017 10:16 AM To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header On 11

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 02:41:44 +0100 Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > 2017-11-29 16:30 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > > > You won't hear any lies from me. > > That's too good to be true;-( So you admit you're denying the truth because the truth hurts you? That's pretty

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2017-11-29 16:30 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > You won't hear any lies from me. That's too good to be true;-( > But it's well known that you twist the > truth whenever it fits you. I finally realize that you staying anonymous to get away with defamation. Thank you for the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2017-11-29 16:42 GMT+01:00 Hendrik Leppkes : > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: >> 2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 : >> >>> Well, don't worry too much. People like him are, as some would say, >>> toxic members

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Nicolas George
Mironov, Mikhail (2017-11-29): > Now we have seven people not counting me I suggest we weight this based on how often people voicing an opinion need to run git grep. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Compn > Sent: November 29, 2017 2:17 PM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header > > O

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Compn
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:06:46 +, "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > This was a suggestion in one of the posts, not my idea. I personally would > prefer to include headers. i also prefer including headers into ffmpeg. only for the big 3 intel amd and nvidia... unless

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:10:49 + "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > > > > It also should be made clear that nvidia does not somehow receive preferred > > treatment over other vendors. > > Respectfully, but it does by inaction. > Thanks, > Mikhail Not really. Intel has

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> > It also should be made clear that nvidia does not somehow receive preferred > treatment over other vendors. Respectfully, but it does by inaction. Thanks, Mikhail ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of wm4 > Sent: November 29, 2017 11:06 AM > To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:45:28 +

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Yeah, I understand that. But the function loading should make only a small part of it, and could just be a normal source file. (We do ad-hoc function loading for a lot of other stuff too.) Then we could depend on external, unmodified SDK headers, which someone could extract to a git repo, to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:42:05 +0100 Timo Rothenpieler wrote: > Am 29.11.2017 um 17:40 schrieb wm4: > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:27:01 +0100 > > Hendrik Leppkes wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:24 PM, wm4 wrote: > >>>

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Tobias Rapp
On 28.11.2017 10:25, Timo Rothenpieler wrote: Your use-case looks like an argument for moving the external headers into some separate repository. Not that I personally care much about bundling or not bundling. To me the more important question seems to be whether to auto-enable the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Am 29.11.2017 um 17:40 schrieb wm4: On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:27:01 +0100 Hendrik Leppkes wrote: On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:24 PM, wm4 wrote: What really irks me is that nvidia is not giving us any support for supporting their stuff. AFAIK the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:27:01 +0100 Hendrik Leppkes wrote: > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:24 PM, wm4 wrote: > > > > What really irks me is that nvidia is not giving us any support for > > supporting their stuff. AFAIK the current headers are the last MIT

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:24 PM, wm4 wrote: > > What really irks me is that nvidia is not giving us any support for > supporting their stuff. AFAIK the current headers are the last MIT > licensed ones, and future headers are closed? No, thats not how it is. They

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:09:14 -0700 Pavel Koshevoy wrote: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Tobias Rapp wrote: > > On 27.11.2017 17:14, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: > > > > >> Personally, I would prefer if the bundled external headers were > >>

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Pavel Koshevoy
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Tobias Rapp wrote: > On 27.11.2017 17:14, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: >> Personally, I would prefer if the bundled external headers were >> installed together with ffmpeg public headers (so nvenc/cuda/etc... >> weren't simply private headers

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
M > > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches > de...@ffmpeg.org> > > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header > > > > On 11/29/17, Carl Eugen Hoyos <ceffm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 <nfx...@googlemail

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Compn
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:45:28 +, "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > May I suggest to go down to business of enabling HW encoders by default? > Yesterday Mark submitted the initial implementation and I really want > to thank him for his mentoring and participation - it was

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Paul B Mahol > Sent: November 29, 2017 10:16 AM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header &

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > 2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > >> Well, don't worry too much. People like him are, as some would say, >> toxic members of the community. Frequent drama and flame wars happen. >> (And here's

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Compn
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:16:12 +0100, Paul B Mahol wrote: > On 11/29/17, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > 2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > > > >> Well, don't worry too much. People like him are, as some would say, > >> toxic members of the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:23:54 -0500 Compn wrote: > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:58:29 +0100, wm4 wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:09:57 + > > "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > > > > > > I wanted to stay out of license issues and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:07:36 +0100 Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > 2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > > > Well, don't worry too much. People like him are, as some would say, > > toxic members of the community. Frequent drama and flame wars happen. > > (And

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Compn
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:58:29 +0100, wm4 wrote: > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:09:57 + > "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > > > > I wanted to stay out of license issues and this forum is oriented more > > towards > > technical discussion but I can't

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 11/29/17, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > 2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > >> Well, don't worry too much. People like him are, as some would say, >> toxic members of the community. Frequent drama and flame wars happen. >> (And here's where I wished ffmpeg

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2017-11-29 15:58 GMT+01:00 wm4 : > Well, don't worry too much. People like him are, as some would say, > toxic members of the community. Frequent drama and flame wars happen. > (And here's where I wished ffmpeg were a properly managed project.) Look who's talking! Given

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 16:09:57 + "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > > > > Pavel Koshevoy (2017-11-27): > > > That is unnecessarily un-diplomatic and will likely offend the > > > contributors from nvidia and amd. > > > > Well, I find offensive that they benefit from my

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-29 Thread wm4
On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 02:15:12 + "Mironov, Mikhail" wrote: > Hi, > I would like to summarize thoughts on several threads on this forum related > to the issue of including AMD/AMF header file into FFmpeg source tree. > It looks like they reflect some policies formal

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-28 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> > Pavel Koshevoy (2017-11-27): > > That is unnecessarily un-diplomatic and will likely offend the > > contributors from nvidia and amd. > > Well, I find offensive that they benefit from my work yet make extra efforts > to make sure I cannot benefit from theirs. Maybe I should start putting my

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-28 Thread Nicolas George
Pavel Koshevoy (2017-11-27): > That is unnecessarily un-diplomatic and will likely offend the > contributors from nvidia and amd. Well, I find offensive that they benefit from my work yet make extra efforts to make sure I cannot benefit from theirs. Maybe I should start putting my contributions

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-28 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Your use-case looks like an argument for moving the external headers into some separate repository. Not that I personally care much about bundling or not bundling. To me the more important question seems to be whether to auto-enable the encoders/decoders that depend on the external headers and

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Tobias Rapp
On 27.11.2017 17:14, Pavel Koshevoy wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Nicolas George wrote: Mironov, Mikhail (2017-11-27): #1 policy: do not include external headers goal: minimize maintenance efforts and increase stability of the project action: remove

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Am 27.11.2017 um 03:15 schrieb Mironov, Mikhail: Hi, I would like to summarize thoughts on several threads on this forum related to the issue of including AMD/AMF header file into FFmpeg source tree. It looks like they reflect some policies formal or informal. Mark tried to create some policy

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Personally, I would prefer if the bundled external headers were installed together with ffmpeg public headers (so nvenc/cuda/etc... weren't simply private headers within ffmpeg). There are some nvenc APIs I need to query hardware capabilities to avoid setting nvenc codec parameters that would

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Pavel Koshevoy
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Nicolas George wrote: > Mironov, Mikhail (2017-11-27): >> #1 >>policy: do not include external headers >>goal: minimize maintenance efforts and increase stability of the project >>action: remove NVidia headers > > Add to the goal:

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Nicolas George
Mironov, Mikhail (2017-11-27): > #1 >policy: do not include external headers >goal: minimize maintenance efforts and increase stability of the project >action: remove NVidia headers Add to the goal: avoid being complicit of free-riders on the Libre software bandwagon. Regards, --

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Timo Rothenpieler > Sent: November 27, 2017 5:08 AM > To: ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header > > Am 27.11.2017 um 03:15 schrieb

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> > > > I also noticed that recently there is a lot of activity to add full Nvidia > decoders to FFmpeg (VC1, MPEG4, VP8, VP9 etc.). > > I am guessing this is to overcome DXVA or VAAPI shortcoming. What about > AMD? We also have them. > > > > > > DXVA2/D3D11VA work perfectly fine, on Windows i

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
Am 27.11.2017 um 03:15 schrieb Mironov, Mikhail: Hi, I would like to summarize thoughts on several threads on this forum related to the issue of including AMD/AMF header file into FFmpeg source tree. It looks like they reflect some policies formal or informal. Mark tried to create some policy

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Timo Rothenpieler
I also noticed that recently there is a lot of activity to add full Nvidia decoders to FFmpeg (VC1, MPEG4, VP8, VP9 etc.). I am guessing this is to overcome DXVA or VAAPI shortcoming. What about AMD? We also have them. The primary motivation here is that nvidia abandoned vdpau, so to access

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-27 Thread Hendrik Leppkes
On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Mironov, Mikhail wrote: > > I also noticed that recently there is a lot of activity to add full Nvidia > decoders to FFmpeg (VC1, MPEG4, VP8, VP9 etc.). > I am guessing this is to overcome DXVA or VAAPI shortcoming. What about AMD? > We

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
lopment discussions and patches > de...@ffmpeg.org> >> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header >> >> 2017-11-27 3:32 GMT+01:00 Mironov, Mikhail >> <mikhail.miro...@amd.com>: >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffm

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> > Nobody is against adding AMD specific encoders and hwaccels. The issue for > some seems to be the inclusion of external headers. > > Currently, nothing in our policy is against it, and as I and Philip already > stated, your additions shouldn't be gated on a potential future policy change >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread James Almer
de...@ffmpeg.org> >> Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header >> >> 2017-11-27 3:32 GMT+01:00 Mironov, Mikhail >> <mikhail.miro...@amd.com>: >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] O

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Carl Eugen Hoyos > Sent: November 26, 2017 9:36 PM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2017-11-27 3:32 GMT+01:00 Mironov, Mikhail : >> -Original Message- >> From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf >> Of Carl Eugen Hoyos >> Also, imo you have not really explained which users would have an >> advantage if FFmpeg includes

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread Mironov, Mikhail
> -Original Message- > From: ffmpeg-devel [mailto:ffmpeg-devel-boun...@ffmpeg.org] On Behalf > Of Carl Eugen Hoyos > Sent: November 26, 2017 9:25 PM > To: FFmpeg development discussions and patches de...@ffmpeg.org> > Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] AMD external header

2017-11-26 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
2017-11-27 3:15 GMT+01:00 Mironov, Mikhail : > I will skip all arguments, you already read them. That's great, but I believe you forgot to add the fourth option. Also, imo you have not really explained which users would have an advantage if FFmpeg includes the AMD