Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 20:25, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 8/13/2019 10:56 AM, Erik Dobák wrote: > > yes it is the Google Mails Web GUI fault. when you reply on a mail you > see > > just blank space and you do no know if the message goes above or below > the > > original email text. > > You should

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

On 8/13/2019 10:56 AM, Erik Dobák wrote: yes it is the Google Mails Web GUI fault. when you reply on a mail you see just blank space and you do no know if the message goes above or below the original email text. You should see three dots at the bottom of the composition window, click on

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019, 14:51 Ulf Zibis, wrote: > > Am 13.08.19 um 14:22 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > > If you don't care about top-posting, it is easy to do it wrong with > > the Gmail web gui. Once you typed "top-posting" into the search > > bar of your mail browser, you get both an English and

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 14:35, Ulf Zibis wrote: > > Am 13.08.19 um 14:23 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > > I (still) believe it is impossible not to find it assuming you > > searched for an explanation. > > (Assuming a German browser default) > But it is very likely, that people interpret it as "Do

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 16:54 schrieb Carl Zwanzig: > Reindl is being polite and helpful as usual. sorry, but given the amount of bullshit and that common sense should be enough to understand what "top" and "posting" means and if not one should refrain from post at all

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

On 8/13/2019 5:23 AM, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: I (still) believe it is impossible not to find it assuming you searched for an explanation. (Assuming a German browser default) And given that this is an English-language list, where there is confusion the terms ought to be interpreted in English.

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 14:57 schrieb Ulf Zibis: > > Am 13.08.19 um 14:03 schrieb Moritz Barsnick: >> >> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU > And in fact it describes the opposite of what you want: > > "Das Akronym steht für *Text > oben, Fullquote

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 15:50 schrieb Ulf Zibis: > > Am 13.08.19 um 14:22 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: >> If you don't care about top-posting, it is easy to do it wrong with >> the Gmail web gui. Once you typed "top-posting" into the search >> bar of your mail browser, you get both an English and (at least

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 14:22 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > If you don't care about top-posting, it is easy to do it wrong with > the Gmail web gui. Once you typed "top-posting" into the search > bar of your mail browser, you get both an English and (at least > with a German default) a local language

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2019-08-13 at 15:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Ulf Zibis: Am 13.08.19 um 14:27 schrieb Reindl Harald: nonsense Yeah, good to know, that we have even one who posts sense! Yeah, good to know, that we

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am 13.08.19 um 14:54 schrieb Ulf Zibis: > Am 13.08.19 um 14:27 schrieb Reindl Harald: >> >> nonsense > > Yeah, good to know, that we have even one who posts sense! Yeah, good to know, that we have even one who quotes in a way to supress context otherwise the stunt interpret "In top-posting

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Is there not a separate mailing list for discussing this? ;) -Original Message- From: Ulf Zibis [mailto:ulf.zi...@gmx.de] Sent: dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 14:58 To: ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org Subject: Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting Am 13.08.19 um 14:03 schrieb Moritz Barsnick: > >

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 14:03 schrieb Moritz Barsnick: > > https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOFU And in fact it describes the opposite of what you want: "Das Akronym steht für *Text oben, Fullquote unten*, bzw. *Text Over,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am 13.08.19 um 14:27 schrieb Reindl Harald: > > nonsense Yeah, good to know, that we have even one who posts sense! -Ulf ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 14:24 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: >> I mean, that there is no language site linked on >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style > How did you find out about this site? I exceptionally directly searched in the english Wikipedia after many admonitions from you, not doing the

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 14:23 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > I (still) believe it is impossible not to find it assuming you > searched for an explanation. > (Assuming a German browser default) But it is very likely, that people interpret it as "Do not post a new question *on top* of an existing post/thread",

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2019-08-13 at 14:23 +0200, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:21 Uhr schrieb Carlos E. R. <>: But what it says is not all correct. Also, neither Spanish or German articles

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am 13.08.19 um 13:39 schrieb Ulf Zibis: > > Am 13.08.19 um 12:00 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: >> Please find out what top-posting means and avoid it here. > As I too needed some time to understand, what you mean by this, here is > the explanation: > >

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:21 Uhr schrieb Carlos E. R. : > > > But what it says is not all correct. Also, neither Spanish or German > articles link to the English article, and the English article does not > have links to any other language, which is

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:11 Uhr schrieb Ulf Zibis : > > > Am 13.08.19 um 14:03 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > > Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 13:39 Uhr schrieb Ulf Zibis : > >> In German Wikipedia e. g. there are no equivalents. > > That's not true. > I mean, that there is no language site linked on >

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:12 Uhr schrieb Moritz Barsnick : > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 14:04:34 +0200, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > > Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:03 Uhr schrieb Moritz Barsnick > > : > > > *We* should also understand that, AFAIK, Gmail web GUI users have no > > > clue that they're

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2019-08-13 at 14:03 +0200, Moritz Barsnick wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 13:39:37 +0200, Ulf Zibis wrote: So please give a little more help on that term. While I agree, it is easy to google. *We* should also understand that,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am 13.08.19 um 14:03 schrieb Moritz Barsnick: > *We* should also understand that, AFAIK, Gmail web GUI users have no > clue that they're doing that, as it hides the quote from them. (So I > have often heard.) Yes, you do need not to *understand* why people are irritated and interpret it wrong,

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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 14:04:34 +0200, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote: > Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:03 Uhr schrieb Moritz Barsnick : > > *We* should also understand that, AFAIK, Gmail web GUI users have no > > clue that they're doing that, as it hides the quote from them. (So I > > have often heard.) >

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am 13.08.19 um 14:03 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 13:39 Uhr schrieb Ulf Zibis : >> In German Wikipedia e. g. there are no equivalents. > That's not true. I mean, that there is no language site linked on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style -Ulf

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 14:03 Uhr schrieb Moritz Barsnick : > *We* should also understand that, AFAIK, Gmail web GUI users have no > clue that they're doing that, as it hides the quote from them. (So I > have often heard.) I use Gmail web GUI... Carl Eugen

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am Di., 13. Aug. 2019 um 13:39 Uhr schrieb Ulf Zibis : > > In German Wikipedia e. g. there are no equivalents. That's not true. Carl Eugen ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 13:39:37 +0200, Ulf Zibis wrote: > So please give a little more help on that term. While I agree, it is easy to google. *We* should also understand that, AFAIK, Gmail web GUI users have no clue that they're doing that, as it hides the quote from them. (So I have often

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 at 13:39, Ulf Zibis wrote: > > Am 13.08.19 um 12:00 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > > Please find out what top-posting means and avoid it here. > As I too needed some time to understand, what you mean by this, here is > the explanation: > >

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting – was: coding video for some old Sony

Am 13.08.19 um 12:00 schrieb Carl Eugen Hoyos: > Please find out what top-posting means and avoid it here. As I too needed some time to understand, what you mean by this, here is the explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Top-posting My first understanding was: "Do not post a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

2018-07-25 18:57 GMT+02:00, Jim DeLaHunt : > On 2018-07-25 08:11, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > > I'm not the list owner nor one of the ffmpeg developers, just a > long-time Internet user... > > I also am not the list owner, nor one of the ffmpeg developers, either. > I appreciate the effort which you,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

On 2018-07-25 08:11, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > I'm not the list owner nor one of the ffmpeg developers, just a long-time Internet user... I also am not the list owner, nor one of the ffmpeg developers, either. I appreciate the effort which you, Carl, and the core developers, put into replying

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

In my mail program, Claws, and in Thunderbird, it is easy to just highlight the part of the mail you want to reply to then push the replybutton. This draws attention to the point you want to address and isconcise. It's not that easy in some of the online mail clients (Yahoo doesn't seem to do

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:36:49 -0700 Carl Zwanzig wrote: > Not sure what I should have done differently In my mail program, Claws, and in Thunderbird, it is easy to just highlight the part of the mail you want to reply to then push the reply button. This draws attention to the point you want to

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

On 7/25/2018 8:20 AM, Jonathan Mallett wrote: Not sure what I should have done differently since it’s a new topic. I’ll google it and keep it in mind for next time. There is no top/bottom in an empty message :). OTOH it does help to remove all the stuff not relevant to the reply; that really

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

On 7/25/18, Jonathan Mallett wrote: > Hi Z, > > Apologies, I was just following the steps on the mailing list page. > LOL, you just top posted here. >> Once you subscribe you can post a message to the mailing list by emailing >> your message to ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org. > > Not sure what I should

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

Hi Z, Apologies, I was just following the steps on the mailing list page. > Once you subscribe you can post a message to the mailing list by emailing > your message to ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org. Not sure what I should have done differently since it’s a new topic. I’ll google it and keep it in

[FFmpeg-user] Top posting?

Hello, I'm not the list owner nor one of the ffmpeg developers, just a long-time Internet user... It's long-standing practice that this list asks a few things of members- one is that members don't "top post" their replies. This means to put your comments _below_ those you're commenting on-

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

2016-02-04 14:49 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald : > > > Am 04.02.2016 um 13:45 schrieb Roman: > >> that below is the perfect example how shitty your mailing style is >>> nobody is any longer able to guess who said what in what context >>> >>> I understand your frustration, but

[FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

Hi, I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list... So here I've got a question.. Why ? Most of programs, including gmail app and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way all people are used to read mail. Why the hell one should scroll down to see

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> OMFG! Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done. So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or just copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to? 2016-02-04 13:40 GMT+02:00 James Darnley : > On 2016-02-04 12:30, Roman wrote:

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

Most of the time, it doesn't cause serious problems with readability and may encourage people to contribute usefully if they're posting on, say, a cellphone, or in a hurry. It's an "open source thing". The only place you commonly find people complaining about it is on lists just like this one,

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Am 04.02.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Roman: When you read reviews (academical, amateur, professional), there are no quotes and below-postings. Review author just mentions what exactly hes referring to and continues his review. And same goes to review on review. Please see academical reviews as an

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Roman wrote: > > > OMFG! Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done. > > So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or just > copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to? This was also done from gmail's

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Am 04.02.2016 um 12:48 schrieb Phil Rhodes: Most of the time, it doesn't cause serious problems with readability and may encourage people to contribute usefully if they're posting on, say, a cellphone, or in a hurry. It's an "open source thing". The only place you commonly find people

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No. I expect you to use the "features" of the "client" you use. Clicking on the ellipsis in the box (those three dots in a grey rectangle) with the tooltip "Show trimmed content" you will suddenly see everything you are quoting. You can then cut it up from there. Here is what is happened, when

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Am 04.02.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Roman: Thanks for an answer. I see, but still not share such approach while sending/receiving e-mails. It was not very comfortable for me to follow your e-mail with such quotes does your mail client not visualize quotes? get a better one - see attachment

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On 2016-02-04 12:44, Roman wrote: >> OMFG! Let me log into the web interface and show you how it is done. > > So you just offer me to insert ">" symbol before every line I quote or just > copy the whole e-mail I'm answering to? No. I expect you to use the "features" of the "client" you use.

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On 2016-02-04 12:30, Roman wrote: > why should *we* suck your quoting style? > > you should not. just don't reply, if you don't like the style. To try > to convince every one to change their habits due to minority being upset. I > think, such approach will make everyone happy. > > why should

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Damn, you guys just made my eyes bleeding again. I use gmail, so when I copy the visualized quote, It ends up with: does your mail client not visualize quotes? get a better one - see attachment Seems like doesn't. Or it actually does, when I will send it? Let's see.. Why should I keep to some

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that below is the perfect example how shitty your mailing style is nobody is any longer able to guess who said what in what context Am 04.02.2016 um 13:24 schrieb Roman: No. I expect you to use the "features" of the "client" you use. Clicking on the ellipsis in the box (those three dots in a

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

and I'm the rude when your are insulting 2016-02-04 22:06 GMT+01:00 Jannes Faber : > On 4 Feb 2016 9:56 p.m., "juan carlos Rebate" wrote: >> >> gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom > > Click the fking three little dots! >

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Am 04.02.2016 um 21:56 schrieb juan carlos Rebate: gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom READ THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD AND STOP PRETEND THAT! you are even too lazy/stupid to remove the list footer from your reply Am 04.02.2016 um 21:37 schrieb juan carlos Rebate: I

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue - OFF TOPIC

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:56 PM, juan carlos Rebate wrote: > gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom, Mine does. Click the little rectangle with three dots on it. Then you can reply "inline", like I am doing right now. -m

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On 4 Feb 2016 9:56 p.m., "juan carlos Rebate" wrote: > > gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom Click the fking three little dots! ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org

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> no, you are a fool telling others "Ignore complaints about it.  Please stop insulting me. I haven't insulted you. Your presumptiveness is breathtaking. > "background noise" comes from the list-owners / developers That's funny, when I've asked in the past, I have been told that nobody is in

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I work with open source software daily. And I have NEVER seen more in-fighting going on with a single piece of it until ffmpeg. Not just this list. I've tried forums, live chats, and even stackexchange. Nobody dealing with ffmpeg, these so-called "experts" ever answer any questions, they just

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

Am 04.02.2016 um 14:40 schrieb Charles Winthrop: Well, this has decided me. Dump ffmpeg and find an actual solution. have fun, here ffmpeg works for nearly a decade fine Everyone her would rather whine about writing style than actually solve a problem. Really professsional, folks! WTF -

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

Am 04.02.2016 um 15:06 schrieb Phil Rhodes: top-posting is considered rude on this list By who? why do you strip quotes out of context and play the unknown while you are long enough trolling on this list: https://www.google.com/search?q=top-posting+here+is+considered+as+rude

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

? Weitergeleitete Nachricht Betreff: Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue Datum: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:40:02 -0500 Von: Charles Winthrop <char...@nts-show.com> Antwort an: FFmpeg user questions <ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org> An: FFmpeg user questions <ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org> Well, this ha

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Phil Turmel, Jason C Hi guys and thanks for your time, but it now seems like we see disadvantages of quoted answers or laziness of yours to read the whole 28 mails and see the fact, that I was not tried to say something really bad to this type of style. Thanks to Reindl Harald's patience which

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do things. 2016-02-04 19:31 GMT+01:00 Jannes Faber : > On 4 February 2016 at

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I agree, I'm used to answer as well, plus it's easier to read responses, this innconveniente ignore me on the list, besides the html is the evolution, why so afraid? 2016-02-04 11:27 GMT+01:00 Nicolas George : > Le sextidi 16 pluviôse, an CCXXIV, Roman a écrit : >> I've seen many

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I think the fact that this is by far the most hotly-debated topic in a long time speaks volumes. P ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user

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Am 04.02.2016 um 14:40 schrieb Phil Rhodes: no, you are a fool telling others "Ignore complaints about it. Please stop insulting me. I haven't insulted you. Your presumptiveness is breathtaking when you recommend ignoring the list-rules your are either a fool or a troll "background

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> Everyone her would rather whine about writing style than actually solve > a >problem. Really professsional, folks! Welcome to open source software... ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user

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> top-posting is considered rude on this list By who? And at this point, the idea of your accusing anyone else of impoliteness is hilarious. P ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user

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Hi Roman, On 02/04/2016 04:46 AM, Roman wrote: > Hi, > > > I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list... > So here I've got a question.. Why ? Long-time lurker here, infrequent poster, so take this as an outsider's view: People who *ask* questions on mailing lists

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On Feb 4, 2016 4:46 AM, "Roman" wrote: > > Hi, > > > I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list... > So here I've got a question.. Why ? Most of programs, including gmail app > and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way all >

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Honestly it is a non-issue. I thought I was signing up for a technical discussion and support list, not a posting etiquette discussion list. Apparently ffmpeg has no such thing. On February 4, 2016 10:50:43 AM EST, Jason C wrote: >On Feb 4, 2016 4:46 AM, "Roman"

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Roman wrote: > Hi, Hi! > I've seen many times people asking/forcing not to top-post to the list... > So here I've got a question.. Why ? Most of programs, including gmail app > and gmail web come with top posting by default and this is the way

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

On 4 February 2016 at 17:42, juan carlos Rebate wrote: > I agree To what? Why are you trying to waste my time? Why are you trying to force me to search through the context, by top posting? I'm not going to. So I don't care what you're agreeing to. Which is not my problem.

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate wrote: > if you think it's a waste of time does not respond, the sociedd > progresses, the services must engage the advance, the service is so > and we must tolerate, no one should tell anyone how they should do > things. You are being rude,

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I am not rude, gmail-web does not allow me to publish on the bottom and not use programs that do not like, no one can force me to use something I'm not comfortable 2016-02-04 20:55 GMT+01:00 Paul B Mahol : > On 2/4/16, juan carlos Rebate wrote: >> if you

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

Am 04.02.2016 um 21:37 schrieb juan carlos Rebate: I am not rude, gmail-web does not allow me to publish on the bottom and not use programs that do not like, no one can force me to use something I'm not comfortable proven in *this thread* you can properly write mail with gmail and if you

Re: [FFmpeg-user] top posting issue

gmail.com does not include options to write at the bottom, outlook if you have this option, but this application is payment, evolution does not have that option, thunderbird does not have this option, if you have kmail but does not allow referencing the ancient text 2016-02-04 21:40 GMT+01:00