Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Phil Rhodes via ffmpeg-user
Producing objective metrics of the performance of video codecs is notoriously difficult. Or at least it isn't - given enough access, you can calculate a signal-to-noise ratio through the codec, but that sometimes doesn't do a very good job. Wavelet codecs are sort of notorious for producing

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Clayton Macleod
One thing I noticed when comparing x264/x265 to Nvidia counterparts is the Nvidia encoder tended to get rather ugly in the chroma as you leaned towards smaller files a lot sooner than x264/x265 would, and not by a small margin. During tests where I was using VMAF results to compare I could get

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.08.22 um 20:11 schrieb jatmvp ctf: I thought quality goes in pair with size there *may be* some correlation *but* you have speed/quality/size to assign and can only chose two as you can only have two of cheap/quick/good you need a ton of cpu-usage to squeeze out the last bit of

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread jatmvp ctf
Thank you all for your responses!!! :) Thank you Gabri Shally, and I must say that I was both surprised and astonished too, about those quality score and size output. I thought quality goes in pair with size. I got quality 36 (higher is better, yup?) on libx265 and it looks better when I watch

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 06.08.22 um 11:25 schrieb david stephen: all implementation is same and from this point on you should be quiet ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-user To unsubscribe, visit link

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Clayton Macleod
What you have to remember is, things like H.265 and H.265 are standards for DECODING. They're not standards for encoding. Not really. Your encoder can do whatever it likes so long as a decoder that meets the standard can correctly handle the data stream. Encoders can take many different roads,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Gabri Shally
on both command, you didn't give any option about bitrate or quality target, so the implementation may freely choose those. if you see output near the end, nvidia give quality of 19 while libx265 give 36, so the size would be different wildly. ___

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Clayton Macleod
David Stephen, you really do not have any idea of what you're talking about. All encoders are not the same. Encoders differ a very large amount. On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 2:59 AM david stephen wrote: > dont believe such thing like this more fast than this. what all terms exist > it just

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread david stephen
dont believe such thing like this more fast than this. what all terms exist it just marketing. like say implementation h265 from nvidia more fast. implementation h265 from other company more slow and good size. all implementation is same. its about default config that set into preset like CUDA,

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Mick Finn
> On Aug 6, 2022, at 2:02 AM, jatmvp ctf wrote: > > Maybe my question is not correct. If both encode H.265 but I thought the > performance ability (to create compression ratio) should be the same or at > least comparable. > > That means CUDA version is only for some purposes and traditional

Re: [FFmpeg-user] Why ffmpeg libx265 generate way smaller files than cuda/nvidia based one?

2022-08-06 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.08.22 um 18:38 schrieb jatmvp ctf: Different implementation of same standard should not behave way different I assume, or not have same features or performance (at least). says who? H265 has tons of features, optimizations and options as H264 had and in both cases even with the same