Re: filmscanners: On A More Positive Note

2001-07-19 Thread Robert Meier
--- tflash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The blue channel of the pad lock image shows what appears to be jpeg artifacts, but none of the other channels do. I know the blue channel is typically the noisiest channel of a scan, but I forget why. Isn't it because the CCD elements are least

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Tony Sleep
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Raphael Bustin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Can you honestly say that any one brand is more or less prone to reliability or service headaches than the others? Nope. There's anecdotal reports aplenty, but no way of weighting the

Re: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Robert Meier
--- Pat Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a wild-ass guess, but maybe memory at the byte level isn't being accessed or allocated or released properly, and what appears as a band is the result of regular 'overflows'. I don't think that is the problem. If there would be overflow you

RE: filmscanners: Nikon MF LED light source...

2001-07-19 Thread Tony Sleep
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:51:45 - Lynn Allen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The difference in light transmission might be miniscule, but sensitive CCDs might also be able to record it. Try scanning something like TMax3200 or Delta3200. Both have substantial amounts of base fog, and hefty

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Tony Sleep
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:46:41 -0400 Lawrence Smith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I don't really have enough RAM in my computer, only 384. Just a thought. Do you get stop/start motion of the film carrier because of spooling, during the actual scanning process? If yes, do you still see banding

RE: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Lawrence Smith wrote: Well, just when you think you've made progress the scanner fools you. On further testing I started getting bands without making any adjustments. This is one strange machine. One thing is consistent however, the banding is much worse at 16x. at

Re: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Rob Geraghty wrote: Lawrence wrote: settings. Heres what I have discovered. If I make individual adjustments to the RGB channels in Nikonscan the banding appears. Does the banding occur in Vuescan output? Vuescan, the cure for what ails you. g

Re: filmscanners: On A More Positive Note

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, tflash wrote: on 7/18/01 11:11 PM, rafeb wrote: I've posted a few small scans from my 8000 ED at: http://www.channel1.com/users/rafeb/scanner_test4.htm Rafe, I looked at your scans in PS, and they are impressive, but one thing I saw raises a somewhat

RE: T400CN was filmscanners: Grain, Noise, et al

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Norman, Yes, that's exactly what happened. Makes one feel sorta silly, doesn't it? :-) That's one advantage of shooting transparencies--you can bracket to your heart's content (and get some interesting results, as well). Besides, on my Acer, they scan better. Usually. :-) Best regards--LRA

Re: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Robert Meier wrote: Unfortunately, I do not have the email with the scan anymore but it seemed to me that the banding happens at constant pixel spacing. Therefore, I do not believe that it is a problem with the CCD itself because it's quite unlikely that the sensors

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Tony Sleep wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Raphael Bustin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Can you honestly say that any one brand is more or less prone to reliability or service headaches than the others? Nope. There's anecdotal reports

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Arthur Entlich
rafeb wrote: I don't give a rat's ass about your observations on this topic, I stand behind my statements. Even with your nice expensive Nikon scanner, I STILL own a lot more Nikon equipment dollar per dollar than you do, and I can speak with years of experience with their equipment as to

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Arthur Entlich
Lawrence Smith wrote: p.s. glad you liked the Cuba images. It's a great place. I can't wait to go back. nikon is running a story about my trip with 15 of the images on nikonnet.com in the travel section under 'articles'. Let's hope they don't change their minds after they read your

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Arthur Entlich
If a $500 scanner can produce a scan which has no banding, I think a $3K one should as well. The expectation that a $3K scanner should work well enough to not produce banding is, IMHO, not an unreasonable one. Heck, I expect it of a $500 one too. Certainly, there are likely differences between

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Rafe wrote: I'd be curious to know, among veteran film- scanner users, whether there's any brand loyalty at all. Anybody out there buy the same brand twice? I'm every bit as brand loyal as the brands (and suppliers) are loyal to me and my goals. If it works like it's supposed to work, I'll

Re: filmscanners: On A More Positive Note

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Fantastic comparisons, Rafe. And much more Real Life than anything from the mfgrs' publicity departments. Thanks. From: rafeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: On A More Positive Note Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:11:04 -0400 I've posted a

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Shough, Dean
I don't really have enough RAM in my computer, only 384. Just a thought. Do you get stop/start motion of the film carrier because of spooling, during the actual scanning process? First - RAM is dirt cheap these days - I just ordered 2 - 512 MB RAMs for my new G4 from Coast to- Coast (

RE: filmscanners: Nikon MF LED light source...

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Lynn Allen wrote: Oh, well, enough of this. We all know they exagerate. I believe Minolta has carried this to its logical extreme with their upcoming medium-format scanner, claiming a 4.8 dynamic range -- presumably on the basis of its 16-bit A/Ds. Do they suppose

RE: filmscanners: Nikon MF LED light source...

2001-07-19 Thread Jeffrey Goggin
I believe Minolta has carried this to its logical extreme with their upcoming medium-format scanner, claiming a 4.8 dynamic range -- presumably on the basis of its 16-bit A/Ds. Do they suppose we're all that stupid? Er.. no need to answer that. This must be the filmscanner equivalent of

RE: filmscanners: Semi OT: 16-bits [was Which Buggy Software?]

2001-07-19 Thread Shough, Dean
| Ask yourself -- how did the pros manage to get | nice looking colors before the ICC came along | to fix everything? Work in a closed system. Basically, the scanner directly outputs CMYK file that matches the characteristics of the press. Ignore what the monitor shows. If you need to

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Arthur Entlich wrote: rafeb wrote: I don't give a rat's ass about your observations on this topic, I stand behind my statements. Apparently not, Art. You have yet to answer my simple question. Even with your nice expensive Nikon scanner, I STILL own a

Re: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Stephen Kogge
Re the banding problem My first reaction was that the scan is being done off a native resolution 4000 dpi, 2000 dpi, 1333.333 dpi, 1000dpi etc and that software interpolation was/is being done. After a few of the other comments about possible mechanical problems I

filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Dan Honemann
Is there an online tutorial/FAQ/glossary somewhere that shows image samples of various digital artifacts (e.g., banding, grain-aliasing, jaggies, etc.)? I'm a newbie to all this, and Tony's glossary at halftone is a help but doesn't show pics. Here, I think, sample images would be worth a

Re: T400CN was filmscanners: Grain, Noise, et al

2001-07-19 Thread Todd Radel
When I got my most recent camera (Nikon N80) I took it out to test drive all the bells and whistles, including exposure and flash compensation. Norman, That's why I shoot test rolls on slide film -- no lab prints to misinterpret. Slide film also has much less exposure latitude, of course, so

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Lynn Allen wrote: Rafe wrote: I'd be curious to know, among veteran film- scanner users, whether there's any brand loyalty at all. Anybody out there buy the same brand twice? I'm every bit as brand loyal as the brands (and suppliers) are loyal to me and my

RE: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
It sounds like the samples aren't completely being reset to zero before another sample is taken. Pat I am curious exactly what you mean by that? Where are the samples not being reset to 0?

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
Just a thought. Do you get stop/start motion of the film carrier because of spooling, during the actual scanning process? I understand your point, but...the scanner stops for every line anyway, it has to...it's just a matter of how long it stops, so providing there isn't some some race

RE: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Pat Perez
I was proceeding from the thought that the band was the result of 'accumulated bits' (my own term, just made up) but someone posted a very knowledgeable note that pretty much put the kibosh on my theory. I'm just an armchair coder, and defer to the explanation of why my suggestion probably was

RE: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
Even with your nice expensive Nikon scanner, I STILL own a lot more Nikon equipment dollar per dollar than you do, and I can speak with years of experience with their equipment as to what has happened to the quality of the stuff and their repair service. What Nikon equipment do you own, Art?

Re: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Stephen Kogge wrote: So is it possible that your scanner is out running your system, the scanner stops and has to back up. It could also be a similar problem that the data rate from the CCD head is higher than what the Scanner interface can handle and the

RE: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Wilson, Paul
Title: RE: filmscanners: Nikon Service I spent A LOT of time on the phone with Nikon tech support when I had my first LS-8000. As a software engineer/dba with a lot of hardware experience, I've had a lot of experience with tech support in other areas. Finally, I've done my part to help Nikon

Re: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Isaac Crawford
Stephen Kogge wrote: Re the banding problem My first reaction was that the scan is being done off a native resolution 4000 dpi, 2000 dpi, 1333.333 dpi, 1000dpi etc and that software interpolation was/is being done. After a few of the other comments about

Re: filmscanners: On A More Positive Note

2001-07-19 Thread tflash
I haven't looked at that scan channel-by-channel. It's not a perfect scan, by any means, but was meant to show what comes out of this scanner with zero effort. If you'd like a higher-res scan of any part of this image, I'd be happy to email it to you. That's kind of you Rafe, but not

RE: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth Theory

2001-07-19 Thread Lawrence Smith
I've seen this too rafe. In fact, it seem to be more distinct in the print than on the screen. Lawrence What worries me a bit is that I've had cases where the banding shows up on the (Epson) print, but is almost invisible on the screen. And no, I'm not confusing it with the micro-

Re: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Rob Geraghty
Dan Honemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an online tutorial/FAQ/glossary somewhere that shows image samples of various digital artifacts (e.g., banding, grain-aliasing, jaggies, etc.)? I should put some examples of jaggies on my web site. Thankfully, Nikon finally seems to have fixed

filmscanners: OT-Brand Loyalty (was: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Rafe wrote: Aw, c'mon Lynn, just answer the question. It's really simple. Ever bought the same brand of film scanner twice? I sure haven't. Gee, Rafe, since I've been scanning for less than 2 years and only done 8,000 or so scans, how many scanners would you expect me to buy!? :-) Have I ever

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Hemingway, David J
Title: RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example... Me too -Original Message- From: Wilson, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:32 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example... That's

Re: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Dan Honemann wrote: Is there an online tutorial/FAQ/glossary somewhere that shows image samples of various digital artifacts (e.g., banding, grain-aliasing, jaggies, etc.)? You mean, like a Madame-Tussaud's wax museum of film scanner horrors? Sounds ghastly. Just

filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 Review

2001-07-19 Thread Ian Lyons
For those interested, my colleague Michael Reichmann has just published his initial impressions of the Nikon 8000ED. He compares it to the Imacon Photo. http://luminous-landscape.com/nikon-8000.htm Ian Lyons http://www.computer-darkroom.com

Re: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Pat Perez
I'm on my third film scanner, and have never bought the same brand twice, but this was certainly not due to dissatisfaction with the product's reliability. It is more due to the product selection/price at each purchase. I started out with an original HP Photosmart scanner and moved up to a Canon

RE: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Darrell Wilks
Yes, very obscure, that Nikon web support. www.nikontechusa.com was working yesterday when I accessed it for digicam related support (which wasn't there for the new 995). The site is downed hopefully temporarily, and hopefully down for improvements to the awful interface. You had to read every

RE: filmscanners: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Austin Franklin wrote: Does Nikon have any web based support for the scanners? If so, what's the URL? I did find NikonNet (real obvious that this is a link to support ;-/ ) and then NikonTech (very buried, and surrounded by a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Stephen Kogge
Just a thought. Do you get stop/start motion of the film carrier because of spooling, during the actual scanning process? I understand your point, but...the scanner stops for every line anyway, it has to...it's just a matter of how long it stops, so providing there isn't some some race

filmscanners: OT (was: Nikon Service

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Hi, Austin-- Your point is well taken, that different divisions of Nikon are probably involved here, and not all run at the same level of competence. The point remains that a manufacturer with a name like Nikon (or any number of other names you'd care to mention) has a vested interest in

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Wilson, Paul
Title: RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-( This is a possibility. As I mentioned, when I had the LS8000, it did not always band. Sometimes it would and sometimes it wouldn't. Nikon tech support did mention moving the scanner to a different location to rule

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Austin Franklin wrote: Just a thought. Do you get stop/start motion of the film carrier because of spooling, during the actual scanning process? I understand your point, but...the scanner stops for every line anyway, it has to...it's just a matter of how long it

Re: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Rob wrote (re grain-aliasing)-- The closest analogy is the moire patterns you get when scanning offset printed magazine pictures with a flatbed at certain ppi settings. This makes the exact point of my earlier post--that's not how I'd describe it, at all (and the Acer can grain-alias with the

Re: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Dan wrote: Is there an online tutorial/FAQ/glossary somewhere that shows image samples of various digital artifacts (e.g., banding, grain-aliasing, jaggies, etc.)? I'm a newbie to all this, and Tony's glossary at halftone is a help but doesn't show pics. Here, I think, sample images would be

filmscanners: Totally OT

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Lawrence wrote: I have been instructed that there will be NO 'during delivery' photos. Immediately afterward is ok, just not before You could try sneaking a Minox into the birthing room. As documentary, your heirs might appreciate it. Not that *you'd* live to ;-) Congrats and good

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Wilson, Paul
Title: RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example... First off, I don't think the banding is memory related. I was doing 35mm scans on a dual PIII 866 with 512MB and Ultra2 SCSI disks. This machine should have been more than capable of dealing with those file sizes. Anyway,

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 Review

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Very good review. Excellent, in fact. Please pass it on to Michael, Ian. The only comment I would make is on Michael's, vis a vis Polaroid's financial troubles. It's somewhat perjoritive (although I'm sure he meant it only as a cautionary), and a tad irrelevant to performance. Be that as it

filmscanners: Q60 scanner gray scale tests

2001-07-19 Thread Mike Duncan
I have made some measurements on 4 scanners (Canon FS-4000, Polaroid SS4000, Nikon LS4000, Minolta Diamage Dual) using the Q60 test image. After reading Tony's discussion of the Q60, I had assumed the steps were linear from 1 to 22. They are not. Steps 21 and 22 have half the step change (2%

filmscanners: Vuescan Firewire OS 9 or 8 support

2001-07-19 Thread Mike Duncan
According to Ed, I'm hoping to work on adding support for FireWire scanners on Mac OS X in the next week or so. I don't know when (or if) I'll add support for FireWire scanners on OS 9.1. This is one thing that is discouraging me from buying a LS4000. I don't plan on upgrading to Mac OSX. I'd

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 Review

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Ian Lyons wrote: For those interested, my colleague Michael Reichmann has just published his initial impressions of the Nikon 8000ED. He compares it to the Imacon Photo. http://luminous-landscape.com/nikon-8000.htm Thanks for that link, Ian. Say, isn't Michael

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Raphael Bustin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Lawrence Smith wrote: Nikon tech support advised me to send the unit in for service this morning. They also said that they believed that service has been able 'fix' the banding issue. They could not tell me however what they believed the issue really was. They also

filmscanners: LaserSoft SilverFast Forum

2001-07-19 Thread Ian Lyons
LaserSoft have just launched a new forum for those using SilverFast and looking for information, advice or just feel like venting. Hopefully, we can avoid the latter :-) http://www.silverfast.com/forum/index.php Ian Lyons http://www.computer-darkroom.com

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Jawed Ashraf
For Vuescan, Nikon Scan and Photoshop you'll find a PC does at least as good a job for rather less money than a Mac. If you can find a geek type around who'll do the work for you, you can configure a replacement motherboard, CPU, 1GB of RAM and bits to make it work for $5-600 (maybe less, I'm in

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Jawed Ashraf
Does the scanner seem to stop and start or is it a smooth scan? This is completely out of left field, but could it be a power supply (in the scanner) issue? Someone else commented on how this only seems to show up with scanners using stepper motors... Could the stepper motors

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Lawrence Smith
Chris claims that Nikon service has not recived a unit for service, yet, for the banding problem. That *may* possibly be true, if Lawrence's 1st 8000 went back to the retailer directly. These guys need to get their story straight. I believe it was Chris I was speaking with this morning

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Ian Lyons
Title: Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example... I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, if so, sorry for repeating. Try making a scan of the image that has banding with Nikons colour management system turned off, completely off! Compare the images and see if it has been

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Lawrence Smith
I've actually done this many times myself! I'd like to get a mac this time (I've had 6 or 7 of them over the years and really prefer them to PCs but that's a different story). That being said, I might just build a new PC and save the $$. It would be a BIG improvement over what I'm using now no

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Frank Nichols
Lynn, I would be glad to contribute the web space and storage for this - I would love to see examples of the terms used by everyone! /fn (email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lynn Allen Sent: Thursday, July

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Lawrence Smith
Title: Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example... Itried this and i still get the banding. Good idea though! Lawrene I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, if so, sorry for repeating. Try making a scan of the image that has banding with Nikons colour management

filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Johnny Deadman
Well, I am using Vuescan more and more as my default scanning app but as I do I get more and more frustrated with it. I've finally figured out what all the settings do and what figures work for me. I can even live without a historgram. BUT on the mac at least -- the crop box is awful and often

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
For those that don't get Dilbert in their local funny (?) papers, I think that Scott Adams has a web site. He could probably use some of this material in his strip. :-) Actually, I feel your pain--LRA From: Lawrence Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
This is completely out of left field, but could it be a power supply (in the scanner) issue? Someone else commented on how this only seems to show up with scanners using stepper motors... Could the stepper motors cause spikes in the PSU that could interfere with the imaging side of

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Wilson, Paul
Title: RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-( I no longer have my LS8000 as I've mentioned. However, Camera World did want my Nikon case # so they could return it. If anyone wants the case #, I'll supply it. Paul Wilson -Original Message- From:

RE: filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
I can even live without a histogram. I'm shocked that 1) Viewscan doesn't have a histogram, and 2) that you can live without it!

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Dan Honemann
Lynn, Rafe, Rob and others: One thing I've always been curious about is what causes the topographical map type of lines you see in the blue sky portion of this image: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~taiji/gallery/t21.htm ??? I see this sort of artifact a lot in jpegs on the web. Is this what is

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Frank wrote: I would be glad to contribute the web space and storage for this - I would love to see examples of the terms used by everyone! Count me in for samples! (even though I'll have to go back through and retrieve the originals--stuff I've fixed doesn't count). :-) I haven't had time

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
Stepper motors are known to resonate a certain step-rates, for example. Sorry, and I don't mean to be glib...but perhaps having an 85 pound scanner may be an asset ;-)

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread rafeb
At 08:42 PM 7/19/01 +0100, Jawed Ashraf wrote: For Vuescan, Nikon Scan and Photoshop you'll find a PC does at least as good a job for rather less money than a Mac. snip Careful, Jawed. While I might just agree with you, your post is quite likely to upset a few folks. Folks get attached to

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Austin Franklin wrote: Just a thought. Do you get stop/start motion of the film carrier because of spooling, during the actual scanning process? I understand your point, but...the scanner stops for every line anyway, it has to...it's just a matter of how

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Lynn Allen
Hi, Dan-- That looks like Posterization to me (at least, tha's whut ah calls it! :-) --cf definitions (-:|:-) ). I'd say it's probably a result (in this case, anyway) of pushing the sizing and JPEG compression too far. A good reference is Larry Berman's Compression Comparisons

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Robert Meier
--- Dan Honemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I've always been curious about is what causes the topographical map type of lines you see in the blue sky portion of this image: The old JPEG (not JPEG 2000) does code three channels Y, Cr, Cb. The channels Cr and Cb are downsampled. Then

Re: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started question

2001-07-19 Thread Dave King
- Original Message - From: rafeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:11 PM 7/16/01 -0400, Dave King wrote: I disagree with him (Margulis) on one point however, and I consider myself a color balance freak. Why? In an average color photograph, global color contrast is maximized at one point

RE: filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Shough, Dean
I get around all of these problems by not using these features in VueScan: - I never have used the crop box. Probably a carryover from when the Mac version did not have it. - Tried to use folders once. Now I just leave the images in VueScan's folder and manually move them afterwards. - I always

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 Review

2001-07-19 Thread Ian Lyons
Thanks for that link, Ian. Pleasures mine. isn't Michael the same guy who says that the Canon D30 makes better images than 35 mm Provia? Nope, he was quoted out of context. You might want to read what he did write, there being a subtle but important difference.

filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Rob Geraghty
John wrote: it is far too easy to forget to change the output file name when starting a new scan. True, but if you use the + after the filename in Vuescan at least you won't overwrite anything. :) user interface. Human interface design clearly isn't something that lights Ed's candle, and why

filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Rob Geraghty
Lynn wrote: Hoo, boy, that *would* be useful! Presently, every definition is about a half-click away from the next guy's definition. If I had a website, I'd give it a go (I've got *plenty* of examples!)-- maybe some kind-sprited, web-savvy member will do it? I'd be happy to put things online

filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Rob Geraghty
Dan wrote: One thing I've always been curious about is what causes the topographical map type of lines you see in the blue sky portion of this image: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~taiji/gallery/t21.htm I see this sort of artifact a lot in jpegs on the web. Is this what is called jaggies? Do they

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Johnny Deadman
on 7/19/01 5:45 PM, Austin Franklin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even live without a histogram. I'm shocked that 1) Viewscan doesn't have a histogram, and 2) that you can live without it! Vuescan, Austin. Vuescan. Repeat after me. V-U-E-S-C-A-N as for the histogram I set blacks and

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Mark T.
I hate to admit this and invite pressure :), but I have been collecting some bits and pieces for exactly this purpose.. My initial plan was to use microphotographs as well as scan samples to show how the grain-aliasing on my Acer is indeed 'set off' by real grain, and also to show how grain

RE: filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread rafeb
At 05:45 PM 7/19/01 -0400, Austin wrote: [someone else:} I can even live without a histogram. [Austin:] I'm shocked that 1) Viewscan doesn't have a histogram, and 2) that you can live without it! Ayup. I still wonder why Vuescan is so revered by so many. Earlier versions didn't even have a

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread rafeb
At 05:44 PM 7/19/01 -0400, you wrote: Lynn, Rafe, Rob and others: One thing I've always been curious about is what causes the topographical map type of lines you see in the blue sky portion of this image: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~taiji/gallery/t21.htm ??? I see this sort of artifact a lot

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Jawed Ashraf
I tried sitting on my scanner (I'm at least 80Kg) but it made no difference, the little begger still makes a rattling noise when it's doing a preview - a bit like a Skoda would do if it was miniaturised. Jawed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread rafeb
At 06:08 PM 7/19/01 -0400, you wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Austin Franklin wrote: Rafe, Exactly, and that's my point. If what was suggested is an issue, these guys made a very basic design flaw...which I am hard pressed to believe they did, so I question this being a problem. I'd like to get

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Jawed Ashraf
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of rafeb Sent: 19 July 2001 23:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example... At 08:42 PM 7/19/01 +0100, Jawed Ashraf wrote: For Vuescan, Nikon Scan and

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread rafeb
At 10:08 PM 7/19/01 +, Lynn Allen wrote: Hi, Dan-- That looks like Posterization to me (at least, tha's whut ah calls it! :-) --cf definitions (-:|:-) ). I'd say it's probably a result (in this case, anyway) of pushing the sizing and JPEG compression too far. A good reference is Larry

Re: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Bob Kehl - Kvernstoen, Kehl Assoc.
- Original Message - From: rafeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts Hold everything! Do you mean, Prairie, Northern Tibet? If you're seeing topo map effects in the sky, it's

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Dan Honemann
Robert, The old JPEG (not JPEG 2000) does code three channels Y, Cr, Cb. The channels Cr and Cb are downsampled. Then each channel is divided in blocks of 8x8. For each such block you do a Discret Cosinus Transform (DCT), devide each of the 64 resulting values by one of 64 numbers defined

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Dan Honemann
Thanks, Lynn! I look forward to whatever artifact samples you care to share. :) Dan

Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 Review

2001-07-19 Thread rafeb
[rafe b:] isn't Michael the same guy who says that the Canon D30 makes better images than 35 mm Provia? [Ian] Nope, he was quoted out of context. You might want to read what he did write, there being a subtle but important difference. Out of context? Hmm. I read it, again. Yes, it's the

filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Rob Geraghty
Rafe wrote: Ayup. I still wonder why Vuescan is so revered by so many. Earlier versions didn't even have a preview window. Because it gets me results from my scanner I simply can't get with the OEM driver. Sure, the interface could be improved, but *any* interface that gets me better results

filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Rob Geraghty
Rafe wrote: I'm willing to bet that Dan Honemann has his video set to 256 colors (indexed color.) Some video drivers in Windows (particularly the generic Windows ones as opposed to OEM) only display 256 colours despite being set to 16bit or 24bit. It was one reason I had to throw out a video

RE: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
Paint the edges of the negatives green, and get some Shitake Stones or what ever they're called, sold at the high end stereo stores...some people swear they improve their sound, so they might improve scanning ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On

RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...

2001-07-19 Thread Austin Franklin
Did you say, Leaf 35 ? Not 45? You've got the little guy too? Rafe, I did. Two reasons. One was because the electronics are identical to the 45, so I can use the power supply, CCD board, processor/SCSI board etc. if I have any problems with my 45, and mostly because I wanted to use it to

Re: filmscanners: My replacement 8000 is banding like the first one :-(

2001-07-19 Thread Julian Robinson
At 01:43 20/07/01, rafe wrote: Stepper motors are known to resonate a certain step-rates, for example. Yes... Given that Nikon were reported to be having development problems with the higher res stepper motor for the new generation of product including the 8000, and given that jaggies is

RE: filmscanners: image samples of digital artifacts

2001-07-19 Thread Dan Honemann
Rafe, I'm willing to bet that Dan Honemann has his video set to 256 colors (indexed color.) It was set to 16-bit (True Color), so I changed it to 24-bit (High Color) and rebooted. Still see the lines in the sky, but this is only a Dell Inspiron 3500 notebook PC with a NeoMagic MagicMedia

Re: filmscanners: Re: Vuescan gripes

2001-07-19 Thread Johnny Deadman
on 7/19/01 9:51 PM, Roger Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm inclined to agree with Dean - I seem to be able to avoid most of VueScan's quirks, and admittedly there are more on the Mac than on the PC. Ed has explained any of them that I have asked him about, and he continues to improve

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