Been reading dissection of the new Nikon's 4000/8000 press claims with
interest... but can I ask about its optics?
I noticed that its lens is 14 elements in the 8000, which seems an awful lot
of glass... now maybe this is great and wonderful, or maybe this is because
it does every format from APS
Hi all,
I'm planning to get one of the new 4000 dpi medium format scanners for my
6x7 negs, and checked out the specs on their site.
Got a bit freaked out when I saw that a scan of this size in 16 bit is 624
Mb. (8 bit: 312 Mb)
If Vuescan works with these scanners (likely I'm sure, with Ed so on
Does anyone know
anything about Dicomed Imaginator? (sp?)
Heard it was good
high end (windows) image editing software
Or what about Qimage
pro?
any opinions on
these PS alternatives?
thanks,
PG
I do use pro labs to develop my colour negs, but am I the only who notices a
double standard in even their handling:
transparency film gets the gloved treatment, negatives get fingers (as in
fingerprints...)
oh, and I have changed labs 3 times... same result.
but then, as we all know real pro's
Hi
all,
I was talking to a
high end ink jet salesman who sold both HP and Epson (and other) wide format
machines. He said that the HP machine has the better Gamut in their UV resistant
inks, than the Epson in their pigmented archival inks.
The interesting thing
was that he kept calling
Hi all,
I've been researching for months about getting a medium format workstation
for my scanning work, and thought I'd just run it by the forum for opinions,
oversights, have my assumptions corrected, and perhaps even be some help to
others too.
Basically the new 4000 dpi m/f scanners will
Don't see why anyone is surprised to learn that there is film curvature with
35mm negs in the Nikon scanner.
Every pro lab knows that you have to use glass holders for film when working
to critical sharpness, 35mm or 5x4". and 4000 dpi needs critical
sharpness...
Nikon makes and sells a glass
Mikael:
don't see what any of that text you quote from Nikon:
"Coolscan Film Scanners:
The Coolscan IV ED, Super
Coolscan 4000 ED and Super
Coolscan 8000 ED, take film
scanning to a new level by..."
(etc)
has to do with the choice
out neg carrier.
Hope David will do both of these for the Polaroid Sprintscan 120?
David?
-pg
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:07:50 +1000
From: "Rob Geraghty" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: film flatness in Nikon 4000
"PAUL GRAHAM" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nikon mak
well said... last paragraph
one report and we're dismissing the entire range of new Nikon scanners.
let's get more info, please
pg
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:11:11 -0400
From: "Dave King" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners:Focusing film flatness
Most darkroom workers interested in
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:16:54 +0930
From: "Mark T." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Review of the Nikon CoolScan 4000
At 04:11 PM 7/04/01 +, you wrote:
Jeremy
Please take a real sharp slide ( glassles) and select the auto focus in
the middle of the picture and scan the slide
(snip) I too have noticed funny things with the focusing with my SS4000
(running Vuescan, don't know about PCI - haven't used it in a while).
I've scanned a slide, found too much dust, re-scanned it and found that
the focusing had changed slightly - the dust was in sharp focus, but the
image was
Hi all,
Does anyone have Optical for the monitor spyder for PC that they can send
me? I have found that my programme is corrupted, and can't find my disk. I
just have the spyder!
thanks, and please send any mail off-list,
paul
Hi, on a steep learning curve here with scanning and PS6
still a bit befuddled by all the colour management issues..
when I get raw scans from a scanner.. eg Nikon 4000, they don't come in any
'space', right?
so should I assign (convert) them to a particular one? isn't that wacking
the data
Bob,
I think you mean an ICG drum scanner, (at least it is them who have the
internal oil drum with no taping), and its actually $35,000. (UK £26,000
new)
good machine, as is the Heidelberg Primescan/Tango.
Paul
Whenever I've mentioned 50Mb drum scans at $10 on the Stockphoto list I've
had
Update on trying to get a good Lamda print done:
Went to a repro lab recommended by Fuji, and after carefully explaining what
I wanted from them - highest quality, finest detail and optimum resolution
from my 5x7 inch negative, to output a 45 print, I came back the next day
to be shown a 37Mb
Hi
all,
what do people think
about saving my raw scans as LZW tiff's?
I am making 48 bit
6x7 scans on Nikon 8000, and they are over 500Mb each, so lossless compression
would save a hell of a lot of space, but what are the drawbacks? can most
programmes decode them if I send them to people
Is anyone using the Nikon 8000?
How does it handle those big floppy 6x6 and 6x9 films?
Any other comment or link appreciated.
Hi. I got one the other week
good machine in general.
following on from other postings I was wary of Nikonscan software, but it
turns out to be extremely powerful and
Can someone tell me
why my TIF files open larger in Photoshop than their indicated size on the
disk?
A 25Mb file opens as
76Mb in Photoshops scratch size indicator
A 130Mb file at
around 205Mb
A 330Mb somewhere
about 410Mb
what is going on?
these are regular
tiffs, I dont use LZW
Buy the SS120. I have one and I like it. The Nikon is probably a fine
scanner if you could find one, but is reported to have problems keeping
medium format film in focus at the edges due to the type of light source it
uses, which also evidently accentuates dust which means you need to use ICE
There is also a cheap source for UK SS120's if anyone is interested, please
contact me off-list.
About UK£1850, pre-tax, - a full £900 less than Jessops price...or almost
anyone else for that matter,
Paul
thanks for your prompt feedback Jack,
regarding ROC, I was using it on an underexposed negative, as I think you
recommended a while back. ROC worked, shockingly so, but way too much. a far
weaker setting (like two or three notches down, not just one) for such thin
negs would be great,
and then
I've read both his comments and Wire Moores, and the truth is somewhere in
between. his are written for a major magazine readership, yours, if you will
excuse me, seem quite hostile to the 4000.
Bruce says If ICE is cool, GEM
is nothing short of amazing. Blah, blah. What he doesn't say is that
Hi Ralf,
Just to clarify your technique: what do you mean by: use the auto adjust
(which button is that? is it the contrast black/white one?)
and what do you have your balck/ white points set to in Preferences? at the
default 0.5?
otherwise thanks for your technique - its useful
also: what
Hi,
following all the posts about obtaining good highlight detail from
Nikonscan, just wanted to add an observation:
having just spent 2 days trying to sort out a particularly difficult
negative, I couldnt work out why vuescan was giving me detail in the whites,
where nikonscan wasn't. I could
Bill
thanks for your NS 3.1 advices,
they are useful,
so what do you suggest as a good everyday practise:
wide gamut (compensated)
or turning color management off?
I use fuji negative film nearly all the time.
please see my next post on highlight detail and GEM though - my 2 cents...
paul
When I'm handling large files in PS6 with W2K, I'm watching the scratch disk
size, which shows the current usage against the amount of RAM I have
allocated to PS something like 650/1270, then with a move that takes me up
to the 1270 allocation for the programme the computer baulks for a moment,
Yeah, me too Cary.
I'm a dualie also, but I hadn't attributed it to that, as enough people have
mentioned NS crashes for me not to pin the blame on dual processors. but
maybe you have something.
It does crash at the most annoying times (after 15mins previewing and a lot
of curve work on that
Ralf
thanks so much
wonderful and clear Nikonscan explanation
you should get a job at Nikon
(or get together with Ed!)
paul
Instead of making lots of words again, I have put up a picture which
shows the respective histogram views of the Nikon Scan GUI, with a few
annotations of mine on how
Just got this back from Nikon:
It is known by Nikon that there are problems with Dual Processor PC's,
both
Windows and Mac. Although the Product Brochures do not specifically say
the 2CPU machines will not work, neither do they say it does. Dual
Processors are good but only for applications
Ralf,
thanks for the advice -
when I switched off Nikons colour management system I got a fantastic colour
preview - (with some sort of grid over it) it looked like just what I had
been striving for in colour
but...
when I had got the scan a few minutes later, it opened way off in colour
(far
This topic seems to have moved into MF scan resolution vs output size.
which I wanted to put in 2c worth
I use a 4000dpi MF scanner, and my slightly cropped 6x7's are around 250Mb
by the time I have dropped them into 8 bit.
So far everyone has been dividing these pixels by 240 or 300 dpi for
David,
UK prices for the SS120 seem completely out of wack,
Jessops (our BH) have it at GBP 2703 plus tax (about $4000 !) and sell the
Nikon for less... they are normally a cheap store to buy stuff
other retailers, such as Argon have it for GBP 1499 plus tax (about $2170!).
this seems so
the circles/ weird shapes are 'newtons rings'
which are interference patterns from glass/film surfaces meeting
very well known (google it to find out more)
use anti newton mounts when you get these
paul
well I have it form a very reputable source that Polaroid's price to
retailers in the UK is £1722.
This indicates that anybody selling it on at 1499 is either (a) insane, or
(b) getting their supplies somewhere else.
Ummm,
no its not a secondhand unit, or ex-demo, nor are they insane.
just a
sorry about that, it wasn't what they told me earlier this week,
and remains the published price in their price list,
regardless, its still about £1000 less than Jessops, which is a *lot* of
moolah
pg
Hi all,
My opinion on film flatness has been explained before, so this will be my
final word on the topic.
I've worked in very high end darkrooms for 20 years, typically making 4 foot
to 6 foot prints (110 to 180cm) every day, from 35mm and medium format negs.
That is an enlargement factor of
Bill,
My only conclusion is that something must be up with the 4000 (which I don't
have) compared to the 8000 (which I do).
By rights, the medium format 8000 should by far have the bigger problem with
film flatness, but I can assure you that it's fine - no more nor less than
one would expect.
I
Hi all,
anyone else out there using a Nikon SC8000 with Vuescan?
I'm having problems and Ed thinks its my system, so extra input would be
welcomed,
you can contact me off-list
Paul
I have the F520 too. Running it for 6 months, no problems, and it seems
pretty good, but then I have nothing to compare it to.
Incidentally its far cheaper in the UK than the US. (by many hundreds of
dollars)
No idea why, a rare reversal of the usual order.
does everyone expand their monitor to
Bernhard,
Wow, thanks for that URL.
I know the Tango is the best drum/high end flatbed scanner out there for
under than $100,000 so, those are simply amazing results from the 8000.
we are really moving into a new era here
I almost forgive nikon for the 6 crashes I've had today on 3.1
oh, and
well thats an astonishing amount of work on this site, and very interesting
reading,
but what dropped my jaw was that he did the tests on a
Canon Elan with a Canon 28-105mm lens
to judge the quality of 35mm vs 5x4 (among other things) with this is
plainly ridiculous
I'm not trying to be a snob
You can still (and should) tag the image with the monitor profile
after all
it is the profile being used when you edit the image. Once the image opens
in Photoshop you simply allow conversion to your preferred colour space.
This is the method suggested by Polaroid in their web based help
for feedback on running NikonScan 3.1
under Windows 2000. Many people responded, and quite a few
were kind enough to provide additional feedback when I requested,
including Joe Blaze, Paul Graham, Bob Kehl, Tom Scales,
Charles Volkland and many others. Thank you.
A couple of people reported
Interesting. nobody has thought of that test before
I'd love to see those results too
especially as a lot of 4000 owners report focus problems,
and 8000 owners do not.
paul
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of DaleH
Sent: 31 October 2001
Hi all,
I'm having problems with Vuescan scanning very large scans, and getting
memory warnings, like:
Warning:
Unable to allocate 638Mb memory
Try increasing the amount of virtual memory
I have tried everything in terms of increasing the Virtual Memory/Paging
file size, and it seems to make
David,
Then I've done everything I can. The 8000ED is just plain slow
with my Mac.
It's ICE/GEM that is slow, not the Nikon.
If you turn off GEM especially the scan times are remarkably good in normal
mode...
I doubt if you compare equals (no ICE in either scan) that you would find
anything
fwiw,
the guys at FLAAR (http://wide-format-printers.org/) dont have a single nice
word to say about the Howtek. They recommend the ICG drum scanner which has
a very clever vertical drum system and thus requires no mounting time/ mess/
tape etc.
paul
Hi all,
I'm having an issue with Photoshop, after a C drive failure, and a complete
rebuild of programmes, it now seems to be behaving strangely:
when, for example I do a levels adjustment, I adjust everything so it looks
good in the screen preview, then press ok, and it works the levels move
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