Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-23 Thread TREVITHO
In a message dated 21/5/01 5:05:05 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This area of law is not my area of expertise - I am a corporate lawyer. I know enough to be wary. I do some street photography and do not get model releases. I have always wondered what a model release is anyway. If I were

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-22 Thread Terry Carroll
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Johnny Deadman wrote: Does US law really provide for someone to sue for invasion of privacy? Yes, but I don't think a snap in a public area would implicate it in most if not all states. It's a matter of state law, not federal law, so it's impossible to draw a general

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-22 Thread Terry Carroll
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Lynn Allen wrote: With the 3 Stooges decision, one can see that the law seems to favor whomever wants to be vindictive enough to pursue it. The Stooges' rights are owned by Comedy III Productions, and they're very protective of their property. In another recent case,

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-22 Thread Daniel Bowdoin
A nice general overview of many of the issues that have come up here re model/properly releases and invasion of privacy in the United States can be found on the Photo District News website . . . . http://www.pdn-pix.com/businessresources/modelrelease.html Perhaps some of you will

RE: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Laurie Solomon
: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street on 5/20/01 6:19 PM, Lynn Allen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does US law really provide for someone to sue for invasion of privacy? I've never heard of that. I would like to know more if it is true. OK, True Story; this happend in the late 50's

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Arthur Entlich
Douglas Landrum wrote: Do photographers wandering around the street really get these things? If so, what so they say? Yes, some do. Mine is very simple... by signing this document, you give up all rights and privileges granted you under all jurisdictions as a result of your assumed

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Jeffrey Goggin
My street releases are two paragraphs. A friend has a model release printed on the back of his business card ... obviously, it's not very long but he feels it's better than nothing and they're much more convenient to carry around than a sheaf of papers. He also prefers a cash payment on the

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Lynn Allen
Deadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Filmscanners [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street on 5/20/01 6:19 PM, Lynn Allen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does US law really provide for someone to sue for invasion of privacy? I've

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Lynn Allen
Beautiful, Art. A simple statement that says it all. You're gonna get crucified for this, I hope you know. :-) Best regards--Lynn --Original Message-- From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 21, 2001 11:47:37 AM GMT Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread John Matturri
I wonder if asking for a release could create additional problems; once someone has refused to sign you have an explicit lack of consent for the photograph to be used. Once you ask, might not you be more committed to ceding to the subject's wishes. In any event, unless someone does relatively

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.
GMT | Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street | | | | | Douglas Landrum wrote: | | | | Do photographers wandering around the street really get these things? If | so, what so they say? | | Yes, some do. Mine is very simple... by signing this document, you give | up all rights

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread John Matturri
Does anyone know a case where there has been a successful suit against a published or exhibited streetphotograher on privacy grounds? There was a mention of a Cartier-Bresson case before. But on reading the Stirling article in turns out that it wasn't the photograph that was at issue but its

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Lynn Allen
Yeah, but I wonder about the fine print! :-) OTOH, it's a darned good idea. Of course, Street People, if they know the guy is giving out $1 bills, might hog the camera! Kinda restricts your subject matter a little! :-) --LRA My street releases are two paragraphs. A friend has a model release

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Johnny Deadman
on 5/21/01 11:07 AM, Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are various Releases at http://lawyers.about.com/careers/lawyers/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http:/ /www.ibiblio.org/nppa/biz/forms/ nice one! this is great http://www.ibiblio.org/nppa/biz/forms/pocket_release.html

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Jeffrey Goggin
Yeah, but I wonder about the fine print! :-) OTOH, it's a darned good idea. It's a pretty simple release and I'm sure it's far from bulletproof, legally speaking. The funny thing is this guy has no intention of ever selling his photographs -- he's retired and living off a seven-figure pile of

RE: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Laurie Solomon
:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street I wonder if asking for a release could create additional problems; once someone has refused to sign you have an explicit lack of consent for the photograph to be used. Once you ask, might not you be more

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-21 Thread Bill Ross
I have a problem with giving out money for photographing people on the streets. (a) your relationship is contractual rather than a voluntary arrangement but much more importantly (b) I'd rather people wanted to be photographed without payment entering into it. I

RE: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Laurie Solomon
]]On Behalf Of Johnny Deadman Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 10:30 PM To: Filmscanners Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street on 5/19/01 10:57 PM, Laurie Solomon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re needing or not needing releases for 'art'] You do in the U.S. if the person

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Arthur Entlich
Dave Buyens wrote: Art, I am a part time photojournalist. I hope my comments below encourages others to follow your lead. Further, I don't need a model release for such publication. Now, if it were for art's sake or for profit--that'd be a different story. Then, go ahead and get

RE: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Laurie Solomon
: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street Laurie, Now you're (properly IMHO) backing off from your initial statement: You do in the U.S. if the person is recognizable and you do not want to get sued for invasion of privacy. Could you tell us what your background and/or training in this area or law

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Lynn Allen
John wrote: Does US law really provide for someone to sue for invasion of privacy? I've never heard of that. I would like to know more if it is true. OK, True Story; this happend in the late 50's: A Greyhound excursion bus tour (50's version of Princess Cruises), photographer's assignment is

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Johnny Deadman
on 5/20/01 6:19 PM, Lynn Allen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does US law really provide for someone to sue for invasion of privacy? I've never heard of that. I would like to know more if it is true. OK, True Story; this happend in the late 50's: A Greyhound excursion bus tour (50's version

RE: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Buyens
Art, You certainly do have a point. For me, though, it's certainly not as much profit as I'd like! Dave Arthur Entlich wrote: I've never quite understood why publishing an image in a newspaper is considered not for profit... does the name Randolph Hearst (and granddaughter Patti) and

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-20 Thread Douglas Landrum
] To: Filmscanners [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street on 5/20/01 6:19 PM, Lynn Allen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does US law really provide for someone to sue for invasion of privacy? I've never heard of that. I

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-19 Thread Clive Moss
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Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-19 Thread Johnny Deadman
on 5/19/01 6:58 PM, Dave Buyens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My secrets for street photography without getting killed include some fast slight of hand on occasion (looking like you are photographing somewhere or something else). But more often its just a really big smile that disarms people

RE: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-19 Thread Laurie Solomon
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Johnny Deadman Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:09 PM To: Filmscanners Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street on 5/19/01 6:58 PM, Dave Buyens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My secrets for street photography

Re: filmscanners: OT: photographing on the street

2001-05-19 Thread Johnny Deadman
on 5/19/01 10:57 PM, Laurie Solomon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [re needing or not needing releases for 'art'] You do in the U.S. if the person is recognizable and you do not want to get sued for invasion of privacy. There is no right to privacy in a public place by definition. We are