[filmscanners] RE: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
Laurie In the name of god will you PLEASE trim your posts - your lazy verbosity is offensive. George Harrison Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
> This may be an issue how how Vista is marketed in the UK. In the US, > there is Vista Ultimate, which comes with 64 bit vista. Ultimate is one of the numerous editions of Vista (it is the top of the line edition that contains all the components some of which are not included in the other editions); it, like several other editions of Vista, is available in both 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Vista. This is the case in the U.S.; and I believe it is the case for the UK as well. The one edition that is not available in the US but may be in other areas of the world is the Basic edition. I do not believe that either the Basic or Home Editions are available in 64 bit(they are only available in 32 bit versions); but the rest of the editions are. > A few version of 32 bit Vista allow the purchase of the 64 bit edition. I believe that one can upgrade from one edition to an edition higher on the food chain at a special case - except for the Basic Edition. It may also be possible to upgrade from a 32 bit to a 64 bit version in the same edition at no extra charge or at a special price; it may be also possible to change from a 32 bit version of one edition to a 64 bit version of a higher level edition at a special case. However, I do not know all the ins and outs of these kinds of upgrades. > In my case, I have X64, which I suppose you could call X64 XP. > Microsoft calls is Windows XP Professional x64 Edition They call it that because it is Windows XP Professional Edition in the 64 bit version. :-) Vista also has a Professional Edition in both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:02 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista > > This may be an issue how how Vista is marketed in the UK. In the US, > there is Vista Ultimate, which comes with 64 bit vista. A few version > of > 32 bit Vista allow the purchase of the 64 bit edition. > > In my case, I have X64, which I suppose you could call X64 XP. > Microsoft > calls is > Windows XP Professional x64 Edition > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx > > All this gets more confusing when you consider retail versus OEM > versions. Anyway, X64 is not Vista. > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Gary, > > > > I have not used Vuescan of recent so I do not know if the current > versions > > require or not the factory driver to be installed; I was under the > > impression that Ed did not rely on Twain drivers but developed his > own > > proprietary driver as a substitute for the OEM TWAIN drivers. As for > > Vuescan under X64, I cannot speak to its stability since I have not > tried > > recent versions of Vuescan under X64; moreover, I suspect, given what > you > > suggest, it might work without crashing if one used SCSI via an > adapter card > > in a slot on the motherboard rather than USB (if SCSI cards work in > the X64 > > Vista OS and if there is ASPI layer available from Adaptec or > elsewhere that > > will work with X64). > > > >> In many ways, X64 is a really good operating system. Remember, it is > >> Server 2003 kind of stripped down. But for non-server tasks, it does > >> have it's issues. Also, X64 is a dead end. MS wants you to use > Vista, > >> but 64 bit Vista is a mess. As you probably know, there is a rumor > that > >> MS is going to replace Vista soon, i.e. it is like Windows ME (the > >> minus > > > > I question these statements. I do not believe that X64 Vista is a > stripped > > down version of Server 2003 (X64 XP might have been but that is a > different > > OS than Vista). Vista X64 does have some problems when used as a > server or > > as a non-server; but much of it has to do with the availability of > X64 > > drivers, with printing in mixed X32 and X64 networks, and with the > > availability of hardware and firmware that can make use of some of > the newer > > features. I do not think that Vista X64 is dead or the rumor that > you say > > is going around has any truth in it. It is true that MS is working > on > > developing the next Windows OS which can be regarded as a new version > of > > Vista (whether it will be called Vista 2.O or by a new name as > happened in > > the case of the move from XP to Vista, I do not know). I think that > people > > may be confusing the switch from using a single name with version > numbers > > for a software program to the use of different names for each version > > without using version numbers with replacing or abandoning the > prog
[filmscanners] RE: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
Gary, I have not used Vuescan of recent so I do not know if the current versions require or not the factory driver to be installed; I was under the impression that Ed did not rely on Twain drivers but developed his own proprietary driver as a substitute for the OEM TWAIN drivers. As for Vuescan under X64, I cannot speak to its stability since I have not tried recent versions of Vuescan under X64; moreover, I suspect, given what you suggest, it might work without crashing if one used SCSI via an adapter card in a slot on the motherboard rather than USB (if SCSI cards work in the X64 Vista OS and if there is ASPI layer available from Adaptec or elsewhere that will work with X64). > In many ways, X64 is a really good operating system. Remember, it is > Server 2003 kind of stripped down. But for non-server tasks, it does > have it's issues. Also, X64 is a dead end. MS wants you to use Vista, > but 64 bit Vista is a mess. As you probably know, there is a rumor that > MS is going to replace Vista soon, i.e. it is like Windows ME (the > minus I question these statements. I do not believe that X64 Vista is a stripped down version of Server 2003 (X64 XP might have been but that is a different OS than Vista). Vista X64 does have some problems when used as a server or as a non-server; but much of it has to do with the availability of X64 drivers, with printing in mixed X32 and X64 networks, and with the availability of hardware and firmware that can make use of some of the newer features. I do not think that Vista X64 is dead or the rumor that you say is going around has any truth in it. It is true that MS is working on developing the next Windows OS which can be regarded as a new version of Vista (whether it will be called Vista 2.O or by a new name as happened in the case of the move from XP to Vista, I do not know). I think that people may be confusing the switch from using a single name with version numbers for a software program to the use of different names for each version without using version numbers with replacing or abandoning the program. Even Adobe has started renaming its programs from Photoshop or Illustrator version x, y, and z to Photoshop or Illustrator CS, CS2, and CS3 without employing version numbers. I do know that MS decided that they would not issues a Service Pack for Vista that is like what they did with XP where it almost comprised a total revision of the program from start to finish; instead, they would only issue service packs that fix bugs or security problems, leaving the addition or alteration of features to the next OS. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista > > Often Vuescan needs the factory driver to be installed. A few devices > Ed > can drive directly. > > BTW, Vuescan under X64 is not all that stable. Expect a crash every > other roll. It has to do with how X64 handles USB. > > In many ways, X64 is a really good operating system. Remember, it is > Server 2003 kind of stripped down. But for non-server tasks, it does > have it's issues. Also, X64 is a dead end. MS wants you to use Vista, > but 64 bit Vista is a mess. As you probably know, there is a rumor that > MS is going to replace Vista soon, i.e. it is like Windows ME (the > minus > edition). > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > You could try Vuescan; or you could go to the Epson web site and see > if the > > scanner software is downloadable/ > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim > Ketcheson > >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:19 PM > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista > >> > >> I have acquired an Epson 1200 Perfection Photo Scanner but did not > get > >> the software. Would anyone know what was originally with this > scanner > >> and have any idea where one could find the appropriate software. I > also > >> have the Epson 3200 Perfection series but the software is not > >> interchangeable. > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >> Jim Ketcheson > >> Belleville, Canada > >> > >> James L. Sims wrote: > >>> Laurie, > >>> > >>> My plan is to keep a 32-bit machine around for the SS120 and My old > >>> Epson Stylus Photo 1200. Then upgrade my main computer to XP 64. > An > >>> Epson tech told me last year that that he could send me the 64-bit > >>> drivers for my Epson 1640 scanner, however, I didn't ask him to do > >> that > >
[filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
On Feb 11, 2008 9:48 AM, Bob Geoghegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we're talking about SCSI scanners under current OSs, how 'bout Vista? > I'm running an SS4000 on a Win XP laptop through an Adaptec 1480B. The card > is supported under Vista, but I don't know what to expect for the scanner. > > Bob G I have not yet dealt with this personally yet, but I have known of individuals who claim to run older gear in Vista's compatibility mode. Joel W. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
Often Vuescan needs the factory driver to be installed. A few devices Ed can drive directly. BTW, Vuescan under X64 is not all that stable. Expect a crash every other roll. It has to do with how X64 handles USB. In many ways, X64 is a really good operating system. Remember, it is Server 2003 kind of stripped down. But for non-server tasks, it does have it's issues. Also, X64 is a dead end. MS wants you to use Vista, but 64 bit Vista is a mess. As you probably know, there is a rumor that MS is going to replace Vista soon, i.e. it is like Windows ME (the minus edition). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You could try Vuescan; or you could go to the Epson web site and see if the > scanner software is downloadable/ > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ketcheson >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:19 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista >> >> I have acquired an Epson 1200 Perfection Photo Scanner but did not get >> the software. Would anyone know what was originally with this scanner >> and have any idea where one could find the appropriate software. I also >> have the Epson 3200 Perfection series but the software is not >> interchangeable. >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Jim Ketcheson >> Belleville, Canada >> >> James L. Sims wrote: >>> Laurie, >>> >>> My plan is to keep a 32-bit machine around for the SS120 and My old >>> Epson Stylus Photo 1200. Then upgrade my main computer to XP 64. An >>> Epson tech told me last year that that he could send me the 64-bit >>> drivers for my Epson 1640 scanner, however, I didn't ask him to do >> that >>> and I still do not see a 64-bit driver, twain or otherwise, on >> Epson's >>> website - that seems to support what you're saying about 32-bit Twain >>> drivers working on 64-bit systems. Epson does have 64-bit drivers >> for >>> my R2400. >>> >>> After I upgrade to a 64-bit OS, I'll try installing the Polaroid >> drivers >>> on the new system. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> >>>> Most of the scanners up until currently used TWAIN drivers and there >> were no >>>> universal 64 bit TWAIN standards or specs as was the case for 32 bit >> twain >>>> drivers; hence, no 64 bit TWAIN drivers were ever produced at any >> time. The >>>> net result was that there were no scanners that would work on 64 bit >>>> operating systems as 64 bit scanners. I am not really sure; but I >> think >>>> that the 32 bit TWAIN drivers will work under the 64 bit Windows XP >>>> operating system. As far as I know, there will be no 64 bit Twain >> drivers >>>> being developed for any of the brands or types of scanners in the >> future. >>>> The newer flatbed scanners have gotten much better in terms of their >> quality >>>> and optical resolutions; but I still think they are lacking if one >> is >>>> scanning small format film with the intent of enlarging the images >> to >>>> anything beyond 8 x 10 without resorting to the use good high >> quality >>>> interpolation methods or of cropping out segments of the image for >>>> enlargement. Some of these scanners may in the future come out with >> 64 bit >>>> drivers if there is a market for 64 bit; but it will either be in >> the form >>>> of WMA compliant drivers for use with MICROSOFT 64 bit operating >> systems and >>>> not TWAIN drivers (since I do not believe that Apple has a 64 bit >> operating >>>> system or plans to come out with one in the near future - but I >> could be >>>> wrong). I have the feeling that Microsoft's WMA protocol will >> become the >>>> standard for scanner drivers even if Apple comes out with a 64 bit >> OS. >>>> >>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James L. >> Sims >>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:48 AM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista >>>>> >>>>> I believe none of the Polaroid scanners are being supported beyond >>>>> 32-bit Windows XP or the
[filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
A bit OT, but I've been running X64 for about 3 years. Vuescan saved my arse regarding my Epson 5400II. I got a cheap Canon for document work, retiring my scsi flatbed. I understanding keeping an old scanner and playing the scsi game, but I got rid of all my scsi gear when I upgraded. Well, I still have the Artixscan 4000t because it is so flaky I won't sell it. Maybe temperamental is a better word. Anyway, the 5400II is so much better than my old Artixscan that I'm glad I didn't put the effort into getting scsi working. You should know that the back bone of scsi, aspi, is not supported in X64. There is some hacked up aspi here: http://www.gearsoftware.com/ I think the aspi is a freebia. James L. Sims wrote: > Laurie, > > My plan is to keep a 32-bit machine around for the SS120 and My old > Epson Stylus Photo 1200. Then upgrade my main computer to XP 64. An > Epson tech told me last year that that he could send me the 64-bit > drivers for my Epson 1640 scanner, however, I didn't ask him to do that > and I still do not see a 64-bit driver, twain or otherwise, on Epson's > website - that seems to support what you're saying about 32-bit Twain > drivers working on 64-bit systems. Epson does have 64-bit drivers for > my R2400. > > After I upgrade to a 64-bit OS, I'll try installing the Polaroid drivers > on the new system. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Jim, >> >> Most of the scanners up until currently used TWAIN drivers and there were no >> universal 64 bit TWAIN standards or specs as was the case for 32 bit twain >> drivers; hence, no 64 bit TWAIN drivers were ever produced at any time. The >> net result was that there were no scanners that would work on 64 bit >> operating systems as 64 bit scanners. I am not really sure; but I think >> that the 32 bit TWAIN drivers will work under the 64 bit Windows XP >> operating system. As far as I know, there will be no 64 bit Twain drivers >> being developed for any of the brands or types of scanners in the future. >> >> The newer flatbed scanners have gotten much better in terms of their quality >> and optical resolutions; but I still think they are lacking if one is >> scanning small format film with the intent of enlarging the images to >> anything beyond 8 x 10 without resorting to the use good high quality >> interpolation methods or of cropping out segments of the image for >> enlargement. Some of these scanners may in the future come out with 64 bit >> drivers if there is a market for 64 bit; but it will either be in the form >> of WMA compliant drivers for use with MICROSOFT 64 bit operating systems and >> not TWAIN drivers (since I do not believe that Apple has a 64 bit operating >> system or plans to come out with one in the near future - but I could be >> wrong). I have the feeling that Microsoft's WMA protocol will become the >> standard for scanner drivers even if Apple comes out with a 64 bit OS. >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James L. Sims >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:48 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista >>> >>> I believe none of the Polaroid scanners are being supported beyond >>> 32-bit Windows XP or the same era Mac OS. About a year ago I contacted >>> Polaroid, asking them if they would be providing 64-bit drivers for my >>> SprintScan 120. I had recently upgraded to a 64-bit computer. >>> Polaroid >>> informed me that the SS120 had been out of production for more than >>> three years and no driver updates would be forthcoming. >>> >>> Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of today's flatbed >>> scanners? >>> >>> Great to see active dialog on this list! >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Bob Geoghegan wrote: >>> >>>> While we're talking about SCSI scanners under current OSs, how 'bout >>>> >>> Vista? >>> >>>> I'm running an SS4000 on a Win XP laptop through an Adaptec 1480B. >>>> >>> The card >>> >>>> is supported under Vista, but I don't know what to expect for the >>>> >>> scanner. >>> >>>> Bob G >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:14 AM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SCSI support on a Mac Pro >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- >>> - >>> Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe >>> filmscanners' >>> or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message >>> title or body >>> >> >> >> > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
If you can't get scanner drivers, find an O/S where you can, and run it in a VM. I run an old Agfa Snapscan from a W98 VM under XP. On Feb 11, 2008 3:48 PM, Bob Geoghegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While we're talking about SCSI scanners under current OSs, how 'bout Vista? > I'm running an SS4000 on a Win XP laptop through an Adaptec 1480B. The card > is supported under Vista, but I don't know what to expect for the scanner. > > Bob G > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SCSI support on a Mac Pro > > > > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
Laurie, My plan is to keep a 32-bit machine around for the SS120 and My old Epson Stylus Photo 1200. Then upgrade my main computer to XP 64. An Epson tech told me last year that that he could send me the 64-bit drivers for my Epson 1640 scanner, however, I didn't ask him to do that and I still do not see a 64-bit driver, twain or otherwise, on Epson's website - that seems to support what you're saying about 32-bit Twain drivers working on 64-bit systems. Epson does have 64-bit drivers for my R2400. After I upgrade to a 64-bit OS, I'll try installing the Polaroid drivers on the new system. Thanks, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jim, > > Most of the scanners up until currently used TWAIN drivers and there were no > universal 64 bit TWAIN standards or specs as was the case for 32 bit twain > drivers; hence, no 64 bit TWAIN drivers were ever produced at any time. The > net result was that there were no scanners that would work on 64 bit > operating systems as 64 bit scanners. I am not really sure; but I think > that the 32 bit TWAIN drivers will work under the 64 bit Windows XP > operating system. As far as I know, there will be no 64 bit Twain drivers > being developed for any of the brands or types of scanners in the future. > > The newer flatbed scanners have gotten much better in terms of their quality > and optical resolutions; but I still think they are lacking if one is > scanning small format film with the intent of enlarging the images to > anything beyond 8 x 10 without resorting to the use good high quality > interpolation methods or of cropping out segments of the image for > enlargement. Some of these scanners may in the future come out with 64 bit > drivers if there is a market for 64 bit; but it will either be in the form > of WMA compliant drivers for use with MICROSOFT 64 bit operating systems and > not TWAIN drivers (since I do not believe that Apple has a 64 bit operating > system or plans to come out with one in the near future - but I could be > wrong). I have the feeling that Microsoft's WMA protocol will become the > standard for scanner drivers even if Apple comes out with a 64 bit OS. > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James L. Sims >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:48 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista >> >> I believe none of the Polaroid scanners are being supported beyond >> 32-bit Windows XP or the same era Mac OS. About a year ago I contacted >> Polaroid, asking them if they would be providing 64-bit drivers for my >> SprintScan 120. I had recently upgraded to a 64-bit computer. >> Polaroid >> informed me that the SS120 had been out of production for more than >> three years and no driver updates would be forthcoming. >> >> Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of today's flatbed >> scanners? >> >> Great to see active dialog on this list! >> >> Jim >> >> Bob Geoghegan wrote: >> >>> While we're talking about SCSI scanners under current OSs, how 'bout >>> >> Vista? >> >>> I'm running an SS4000 on a Win XP laptop through an Adaptec 1480B. >>> >> The card >> >>> is supported under Vista, but I don't know what to expect for the >>> >> scanner. >> >>> Bob G >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:14 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SCSI support on a Mac Pro >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --- >> - >> Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe >> filmscanners' >> or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message >> title or body >> > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
I believe none of the Polaroid scanners are being supported beyond 32-bit Windows XP or the same era Mac OS. About a year ago I contacted Polaroid, asking them if they would be providing 64-bit drivers for my SprintScan 120. I had recently upgraded to a 64-bit computer. Polaroid informed me that the SS120 had been out of production for more than three years and no driver updates would be forthcoming. Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of today's flatbed scanners? Great to see active dialog on this list! Jim Bob Geoghegan wrote: > While we're talking about SCSI scanners under current OSs, how 'bout Vista? > I'm running an SS4000 on a Win XP laptop through an Adaptec 1480B. The card > is supported under Vista, but I don't know what to expect for the scanner. > > Bob G > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SCSI support on a Mac Pro > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
