[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
Anonymous, Spam filters are inconvenient Why? I get a couple of hundred spams a day and I simply use the built-in spam filter in Vista's Windows Mail; it is the best I have come across. It only misses about 1 in a 100, and takes out far fewer genuine emails, so a quick glance through the list of email subjects (an education in itself!) in the spam folder before deleting them probably takes no more time than all your complicated attempts to avoid them. Just my thoughts. Bob Frost. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On 03/04/2008 David J. Littleboy wrote: Agreed. Take it off list. I'm done with it. It stayed on because of the question of whether or not list members want their email addresses exposed to other list members, risking spam. If anyone has a view either way I would prefer it gets expressed on list so there's some sort of vote. I'll do whichever, it's trivially easy to change the list operation. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On 3/04/2008 Tony Sleep wrote: I'll do whichever, it's trivially easy to change the list operation. Tony, I think you should leave it as it is. It's not broken, as far as I can see. I think the silent majority appreciate your efforts to keep the conduit open for the (thinning) discussions, some of which concern film scanning. Peter Marquis-Kyle subscriber since, oh, ever so long ago Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Please, keep it the way it's been, Tony. As I stated earlier, I value that dialog with the friends I've made on this list and future acquaintances that I'm sure will join. Jim Tony Sleep wrote: On 03/04/2008 David J. Littleboy wrote: Agreed. Take it off list. I'm done with it. It stayed on because of the question of whether or not list members want their email addresses exposed to other list members, risking spam. If anyone has a view either way I would prefer it gets expressed on list so there's some sort of vote. I'll do whichever, it's trivially easy to change the list operation. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Thank you Tony for explaining why list member email addresses are available -- it does make some sense for those who are willing to put up with spam and its natural corollary, spam filters. I will take some exception to your comment If you don't want to take any action against spammers but rely on others doing stuff for you, you'd be best advised to stop using email because spam is inevitable. Your implication is that I am relying on others (including you) to do stuff for me to avoid spam, while in fact you are doing stuff that *exposes* me to spam. I am doing my bit by having multiple addresses and abandoning those that have been outed -- which happens about once every 18 months. Spam is *not* inevitable -- I have been spam-free for over a year until I posted on the filmscanners mail list. And with the exception of the address I use for filmscanners, I am still spam free. Just think, instead of clogging the Internet and my ISP with hundreds of messages that will be thrown away by a spam blocker, I am able to do my little bit to reduce spam by being invisible to spammers -- unless someone blows my cover. Last I read spam accounts for the bulk of all email -- if we each do our bit to reduce spam we can make email useful again and not tie up so much computing power trying to identify and avoid it. Spam is a scourge that impacts every part of the email chain, and from time to time ISP mail servers buckle under the load. Now that I know posting to the filmscanners list will expose my email address, I'll take care to never post. To everyone on the list, and especially Tony, thank you for the years of information and support. Tony said: snip v All I can do here is change the listmail headers so that only the orginator's name appears in the 'from' field, not their email address. This will of course make it impossible to send personal email to a list member unless you already know their address, which is why I haven't done it in the past. You lot can tell me which you'd prefer. ^ Most lists I am on (around 20) present the sender's email address for exactly this reason. Prodig is the only one I can think of that does not, and also bans email addresses from the message body. It's limiting and annoying if you want to take a discussion off list. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
Dieder Bylsma wrote: The scams are because we have a subscriber on our list that archives the list to a public forum... http://www.lexa.ru/FS/ note how all the most recent postings are on this list too ;) Thanks for uncovering that archive. It is highly likely that is where our addresses are harvested. No matter how you obfuscate your email address on the Web it can and will be harvested. Some people use scripts to display their addresses in HTML entities while others use more sophisticated techniques such as adding blank spaces, replacing the @ glyph, or combinations of Javascript and CSS. None of them work for long. My personal website doesn't contain my email address in any form. If people want to contact me there, they are directed to a server-side CGI page. The increase in spam around the world is directly proportional to the increase of gullibility and ignorance in the world. Spammers make money because there are so many suckers out there. Education and commonsense are the only effective defenses against it. -- Cary Enoch Reinstein... aka enochsvision, Enoch's Vision Inc. Photography, poetry http://www.enochsvision.com/ Blog http://enochsvision.wordpress.com/ Behind all these manifestations is the one radiance, which shines through all things. The function of art is to reveal this radiance through the created object. ~Joseph Campbell Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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I joined a list a while ago that had a quiz to insure I wasn't a robot. This swiping of mailing lists to create content is pretty common. They also harvest usenet. -Original Message- From: Dieder Bylsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 02:46:29 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: spam magnet The scams are because we have a subscriber on our list that archives the list to a public forum... http://www.lexa.ru/FS/ note how all the most recent postings are on this list too ;) Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
On 02/04/2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your implication is that I am relying on others (including you) to do stuff for me to avoid spam, while in fact you are doing stuff that *exposes* me to spam. I am doing my bit by having multiple addresses and abandoning those that have been outed -- which happens about once every 18 months. You were asking me to curtail the usefulness of this list to limit your exposure to spam, by suppressing sender addresses. There couldn't be any mailing lists unless they were publically exposed addresses. There couldn't be any support ditto. For some of us email is mission-critical and we can't avoid having a public address that stays constant. That means the common preferred solution is spam filtering. Email RFC's require a postmaster catch-all address for any domain. Whoever runs that account is going to receive spam. Domains cannot be invisible. That too means the common preferred solution is spam filtering. Your approach may work for you, but you're still having to take inonvenient evasive action against spammers and accept a reduction in the utility of email because of their predatory selfishness. I hope we can agree that spammers are the underlying problem here. Now that I know posting to the filmscanners list will expose my email address, I'll take care to never post. Yes, that should work, in the same way that never answering the telephone will completely avoid annoying sales calls. For those of us who have to expose email addresses to the world, spam *is* inevitable. The list itself receives on average 3 attempts a day to *distribute* spam to its 1,200 members, because the address is known to spammers. That is *filtered* out by multiple levels of email filtering and subscription control that also prevents viruses being distributed. If I didn't maintain filters you'd get that crap even if your email address was unpublished in list mails. There is nothing wrong with your approach but it can only work for a minority of people who can burn email accounts as they become unusable. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Tony, let me preface my remarks with one that I think is important: I greatly appreciate all you have done with this list to bring together such a wonderful resource. If I have caused you grief or upset I am truly sorry. On 02/04/2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your implication is that I am relying on others (including you) to do stuff for me to avoid spam, while in fact you are doing stuff that *exposes* me to spam. I am doing my bit by having multiple addresses and abandoning those that have been outed -- which happens about once every 18 months. You were asking me to curtail the usefulness of this list to limit your exposure to spam, by suppressing sender addresses. I think we are having an unecessary argument -- Say the list itself did not expose the actual email addresses, but those people who are comfortable having their addresses exposed can include them in their postings. That way those who are comfortable in encouraging rising levels of spam while broadcasting their addresses to the world can do so, and those who are willing to accept the confines of only posting on the list have that opportunity as well. To the claim that it would be bothersome for each member to include his/her email address, I suspect that they would only do so when they have a question that they would prefer be answered off-list. There couldn't be any mailing lists unless they were publically exposed addresses. There couldn't be any support ditto. For some of us email is mission-critical and we can't avoid having a public address that stays constant. That means the common preferred solution is spam filtering. Funny, I belong to a number of lists, most of them professional (statistics and engineering). Yes, the email address of the lists themselves is exposed, but not of the participants. Email RFC's require a postmaster catch-all address for any domain. Whoever runs that account is going to receive spam. Domains cannot be invisible. That too means the common preferred solution is spam filtering. Of course you are right for that one address per domain, but that vastly reduces the number of addresses available to spammers, which in turn vastly reduces the number of spam messages flying about the Internet. Your approach may work for you, but you're still having to take inonvenient evasive action against spammers and accept a reduction in the utility of email because of their predatory selfishness. I hope we can agree that spammers are the underlying problem here. Of course spammers are the underlying problem! The issue is what evasive action we are to take to best deal with them. Spam filters are inconvenient as is flying under the spammer's radar. Each reduces the utility of email, but in different ways. The reason I choose to fly under the radar is that it serves the *common* good of reducing email traffic. Now that I know posting to the filmscanners list will expose my email address, I'll take care to never post. Yes, that should work, in the same way that never answering the telephone will completely avoid annoying sales calls. CallerID works fine for the phone, but you are correct that that is really a spam filter. As for other phone spam, I am on the national do not call list -- it works pretty well too. Unfortunately there is no workable do not spam list For those of us who have to expose email addresses to the world, spam *is* inevitable. The list itself receives on average 3 attempts a day to *distribute* spam to its 1,200 members, because the address is known to spammers. That is *filtered* out by multiple levels of email filtering and subscription control that also prevents viruses being distributed. If I didn't maintain filters you'd get that crap even if your email address was unpublished in list mails. And we are all very appreciative of your fine work. Thank you!! There is nothing wrong with your approach but it can only work for a minority of people who can burn email accounts as they become unusable. The assumption you are making is that a person has only one email address, so when it attracts spam they have to notify everyone of their new address. The alternative is to have multiple addresses, which vastly reduces the upset and inconvenience when one gets onto spammers' lists. The reason I could trace the problem to this board is that the halftone address is used *only* here. Now that it has been outed the only entity I need to inform of my new address is the filmscanners mail daemon. Most ISPs provide an account with multiple email addresses, so why not make good use of them? Thank you again for your help and general good humor while struggling with the beasts of operating systems, mailers, spammers, and the occasional snipey list participant, none of which are central to your life, work, family, or recreation. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with
[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think we are having an unecessary argument Agreed. Take it off list. David J. Littleboy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tokyo, Japan Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
Sigh -- nobody responded directly to my original question, which is Why is my email address displayed on the filmscanners board? Most other participants are identified by name, but their email addresses are *not* displayed. Yes, I could use spam filtering, but I far prefer to live in a spam- free world. And I am successful to the extent that discussion boards do *not* display my email address. I'll leave the address intact a couple more days so I can recieve your responses. Thank you. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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I believe Tony explained that everyone's address is visible. I can certainly see them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sigh -- nobody responded directly to my original question, which is Why is my email address displayed on the filmscanners board? Most other participants are identified by name, but their email addresses are *not* displayed. Yes, I could use spam filtering, but I far prefer to live in a spam- free world. And I am successful to the extent that discussion boards do *not* display my email address. I'll leave the address intact a couple more days so I can recieve your responses. Thank you. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
Art, Here is an interesting article - http://thetechdon.com/40-of-all-spam-comes-from-just-one-source/ that you may not have seen. And note at the end that most spam and viruses come from .USA!! About 2.5 times more than Turkey - the next worst offender. I'm very pleased with the new Windows Mail spam filter in Vista. It does a very good job, only missing one or two out of 200 or so a day, and rarely taking out a list email. Best I've come across. Bob Frost - Original Message - From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Things are truly out of control now with spam. I don't know who responds to spam, such that it is even worth generating, but obviously enough people do to make it worthwhile to distribute. It's a real mess... Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:01:52PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sigh -- nobody responded directly to my original question, which is Why is my email address displayed on the filmscanners board? When you say 'board' are you implying that you're reading the filmscanners mailing list through a web interface somewhere, rather than via email? This might explain why you're seeing different things with regards to email address display than everyone else is? Sam. -- Fortified with Essential Bitterness and Sarcasm Matt Groening, Binky's Guide to Love. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: spam magnet
I can't directly help you with your request, but I can tell you that as someone who has several of my email addresses out there in the public, that the last few months things have gone absolutely crazy with spam. I do not directly publish my email address in a normally readable format, but a particularly annoying troll on one newsgroup I reply a great deal to, decided to out my email address and all heck broke loose. SO much so that the forwarding service I use was blocked by my ISP as a major spam source, and it too 4 weeks to straighten it out. Spam is going to destroy text communications on line if some heavy hammers don't start coming down. I know it is huge business, and some countries will never do anything to thwart entrepreneurship, but this is getting insane. In that one account I am averaging over 300 spam emails a day now, and if it were not for the spam filters I have built plus the one provided by my ISP, I could not provide the on-line services I do. Things are truly out of control now with spam. I don't know who responds to spam, such that it is even worth generating, but obviously enough people do to make it worthwhile to distribute. It's a real mess... Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why my email address shows on the replies I made to this board but other people's don't, but the result has been that I am being inundated with spam. This address is used *only* for this scanner forum, and the spam started immediately after my first reply. Due to the spam, I will be abandoning the address in a couple of days. I would, however, like to know how I can subscribe to the list in such a manner that my email address is *not* exposed whenever I decide to say something. I will properly unsubscribe before abandoning the email address, but I am delaying its demise until Tony or someone else who knows the answer to my question has a chance to respond. Thank you. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On 31/03/2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why my email address shows on the replies I made to this board but other people's don't, but the result has been that I am being inundated with spam. The sender's email address appears on every message, not just yours, in the 'from:' header field. The 'sender:' field is filmscanners@halftone.co.uk I can strip the 'from:' field from the listmail headers but you will not know who messages were from without this. This address is used *only* for this scanner forum, and the spam started immediately after my first reply. I run the list and spend a lot of time keeping it safe from attempts to distribute spam through it via 3 separate levels of spam detection. That's why spam never gets onto the list. The same care is applied to trying to keep list members' addresses safe. Only registered users can post through it, and the membership list is not exposed to anyone except me. Needless to say I have never and will never distribute user addresses to anyone. This is located on a server under my desk and is well protected. Occasional hack attempts have got nowhere. The only possible explanations I can offer, and which I can do nothing, are 1. addresses are somehow being harvested from the archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/filmscanners@halftone.co.uk/ That does not present email addresses in clear, but there is a form for contacting the poster which includes the username and host as form field values, ie FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=/cgi-bin/Nomailto.pl INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=user VALUE=tonysleep INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=host VALUE=halftone.co.uk INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=subject VALUE=[filmscanners] Re: Dust brush for Polaroid 4000] INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=msgid VALUE=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply via email tobr INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE= Tony Sleep /FORM Mail-archive scripting prevents bulk mail through these forms. I am sure they'd spot a scripted harvesting attempt, as it's a separate http: request for every archived msg across hundreds of lists. Highly unlikely. 2. Someone else on the list now or at some time past, has an archive of past list posts and/or has you in their address book (from list posts) and has a trojan-infected machine that is being used as a spambot. This is far the more likely explanation. Due to the spam, I will be abandoning the address in a couple of days. I would, however, like to know how I can subscribe to the list in such a manner that my email address is *not* exposed whenever I decide to say something. All I can do here is change the listmail headers so that only the orginator's name appears in the 'from' field, not their email address. This will of course make it impossible to send personal email to a list member unless you already know their address, which is why I haven't done it in the past. You lot can tell me which you'd prefer. I will properly unsubscribe before abandoning the email address, but I am delaying its demise until Tony or someone else who knows the answer to my question has a chance to respond. Spam is just something you have to learn to deal with because there are always going to be routes like 2. above. It's a pain, it takes time and costs money. I can't change my address and it's public, I've had well over a million spams in the past 2 years, but thanks to filters I see only a handful a day. I'd be fully in favour of airstrikes because I see no other solution. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Thanks, Tony, for doing what you can about the spam problem. And please feel free to suggest what we might do to help make it less of a problem. It's actually only a very minor nuisance for me, but I have no idea why that is, unless it's because I've been on Mac's and done what I can to help their e-mail clients train their filters. My current Mac's client is Apple Mail, but previously Eudora did at least as well, and I suspect software more resourceful than either - MailSmith? - might do even better at some incremental expense. But my Mac consultant uses Mail himself, which I think will make it quicker and easier to get help from him if I ever need it. So far I haven't even though none of this stuff is very intuitive for me. I don't offer up this testimonial to encourage switching, but I can imagine adding a Mac Mini or MacBook to a Windows-centric setup just to try to largely isolate the rest of the system from e-mail and web browsing. -- Sam On Mar 31, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Tony Sleep wrote: On 31/03/2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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I try to steer the Mac users I know to open source multi-platform programs like Thunderbird for email, Firefox for browsing, etc. It makes it easier to help them. Thunderbird has a simple filtering scheme (rules). There was a recent hackers event that broke into a Mac Air in two minutes using flaws in Safari. Since firefox runs on a Mac, why used closed source software that is poorly tested? At the same conference, they hacked MS Vista using a flaw in Flash, a program for the life of me I would never shove down the throats of anyone visiting my website. The only unhacked machine was running Ubuntu linux. Since I own a domain, I make email accounts on the fly. I have one strictly for an email alert service that I never use for email. Yet somehow once in a blue moon, a bit of spam comes through on it. I have one for paypal, and it gets the occasional spam. Needless to say the account used for mailing lists is full of spam. The same with my personal email account thanks to well meaning people that send me the occasional e-greeting card. Sam McCandless wrote: Thanks, Tony, for doing what you can about the spam problem. And please feel free to suggest what we might do to help make it less of a problem. It's actually only a very minor nuisance for me, but I have no idea why that is, unless it's because I've been on Mac's and done what I can to help their e-mail clients train their filters. My current Mac's client is Apple Mail, but previously Eudora did at least as well, and I suspect software more resourceful than either - MailSmith? - might do even better at some incremental expense. But my Mac consultant uses Mail himself, which I think will make it quicker and easier to get help from him if I ever need it. So far I haven't even though none of this stuff is very intuitive for me. I don't offer up this testimonial to encourage switching, but I can imagine adding a Mac Mini or MacBook to a Windows-centric setup just to try to largely isolate the rest of the system from e-mail and web browsing. -- Sam On Mar 31, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Tony Sleep wrote: On 31/03/2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On 31/03/2008 Sam McCandless wrote: And please feel free to suggest what we might do to help make it less of a problem. Most ISP's offer spam filtering, usually based on Spamassassin or similar, and that works well. Sometimes free, sometimes an additional low cost. Always worth asking because quite often they don't bother to tell users it's available. If not, an easy (but not free) way is to run all your incoming mail through a spam interception service http://www.emailfiltering.co.uk/ Or you can run software locally on your home machine. http://www.spamcop.com lists and compares several (Mailwasher, Spamcatcher, etc) The problem with any of these is that any anti-spam takes a certain amount of time and trouble to keep filters up to date, and maintain black and white lists. Another possibility is to set up a Gmail or Yahoo account purely for lists and anywhere you think might lots of spam. They include filtering. Hotmail do too, but it's deranged and it frequently causes insoluble problems preventing legitimate mail getting through. Hotmail filtering is 2-stage, a user-controllable bit which is fine, and a system-wide bit nobody can control, disposing of incoming mail silently. Hotmail is unsupported on this list and many others because of this; you can use it of you want (many people do), but if you have problems my response will be limited to 'I told you so':) -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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On 31/03/2008 gary wrote: I try to steer the Mac users I know to open source multi-platform programs like Thunderbird for email, Firefox for browsing, etc. Strongly seconded even for us PC victims too :) -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Tony Sleep wrote: On 31/03/2008 Sam McCandless wrote: And please feel free to suggest what we might do to help make it less of a problem. Most ISP's offer spam filtering, usually based on Spamassassin or similar, and that works well. Sometimes free, sometimes an additional low cost. Always worth asking because quite often they don't bother to tell users it's available. Ever since I moved my email address to my web hosting provider's (1and1.com) servers I have received virtually no spam whatsoever. I receive a daily summary report of what was filtered out and have noted very few false positives. It's unusual for me to receive more than one spam per day in my Inbox and many days there are none at all. on the other hand the server catches an average of 900 to 1000 spam messages a month that I otherwise would have received. My ISP is a very good one (Earthlink) but like many ISPs their spam filters are a mere token. My email address dates all the way back to the late 1980s so it attracts a lot of spam. If you choose your mail host well maybe all of you will be as pleased as I am. Free mail services like Google, Hotmail, and Yahoo are pure spam magnets. I never use them. If not, an easy (but not free) way is to run all your incoming mail through a spam interception service http://www.emailfiltering.co.uk/ Or you can run software locally on your home machine. http://www.spamcop.com lists and compares several (Mailwasher, Spamcatcher, etc) Mailwasher (www.firetrust.com) is an excellent screening program that I have used for a long time. You can see what's in your queue and just delete what you don't want or don't have time to read. it's a marvelous time saver. Many filtering programs are useless because the spammers are always a few steps ahead of them. -- Cary Enoch Reinstein... aka enochsvision, Enoch's Vision Inc. Photography, poetry http://www.enochsvision.com/ Blog http://enochsvision.wordpress.com/ Behind all these manifestations is the one radiance, which shines through all things. The function of art is to reveal this radiance through the created object. ~Joseph Campbell Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
