Re: [Finale] Re: Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-19 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 18 Jul 2005 at 15:58, shirling neueweise wrote: /12 meters My objection to these meters is that they tell you what the subdivision is, and give you no help whatsoever with identifying the beat. I would much prefer something like: 3+2+3+2+2 - 8

Re: [Finale] The ultimate Sibelius question...

2005-07-19 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jul 13, 2005, at 3:51 AM, dhbailey wrote: I don't think Finale is easy to use without a mouse, so I'm not sure where your comment about hoping Sibelius being easy to use without a mouse comes from. We were talking about Speedy entry with qwerty. I use the mouse a lot when tweaking

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Phil Daley
At 7/18/2005 11:43 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Ken Durling wrote: At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is chops a clue? Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? ;) Are you saying sax players don't have

[Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?

2005-07-19 Thread Rudolf van Berkum
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 Don Hart wrote: -- Select the handle for the F sharp and nudge once, either left or right. When I do this the F sharp and the G sharp swap position. (According to Alfred's Essential Dictionary of Music Notation the pre-nudge position is correct. I can't quickly find Gardner

Re: [Finale] Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?

2005-07-19 Thread Don Hart
Andrew, Thanks for the confirmation. I just emailed MakeMusic! Don Hart on 7/18/05 11:56 AM, Andrew Stiller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 17, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Don Hart wrote: -- Select the handle for the F sharp and nudge once, either left or right. When I do this the F sharp

[Finale] Re: Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-19 Thread shirling neueweise
David W. Fenton wrote: I would much prefer something like: david, coming from you, this kind of comment is like someone who doesn't (want to) swim and hates being in water stating his preference for fresh water lakes over saltwater seas. i would suggest that 3+2+3+2+2/12 is no different

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread John Howell
At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard axe years before I ever heard of woodshedding.) And barbershopers have been using woodshedding for decades, and

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Phil Daley
At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard axe years before I ever heard of woodshedding.) And barbershopers have been

Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?

2005-07-19 Thread Don Hart
Hi Rudi, Finale's behavior in editing accidentals is weird and inconsistent, causing edits to be a lot harder to perform than they should be. I think the post-nudge position agreeing with Read is little more than coincidence. Try lowering my example one octave and nudge the F sharp. Observe the

[Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.)

2005-07-19 Thread Fisher, Allen
*gets ready to duck under his desk* I'm a choral conductor myself, and I tell ya, I used to be in the same boat you are. Why bother memorizing, when I've got it learned and I use it only as a reference? There are performance situations which require memorization (I used to sing at the Minnesota

Re: [Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.)

2005-07-19 Thread Chuck Israels
There is much to be considered on this subject. Would you enjoy a play more with actors referring to scripts or one with actors who had memorized the lines? Maybe this is not an exact parallel with music performance, but there's something useful in the comparison. From my point of view,

Re: [Finale] Re: Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Jul 2005 at 11:07, shirling neueweise wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I would much prefer something like: david, coming from you, this kind of comment is like someone who doesn't (want to) swim and hates being in water stating his preference for fresh water lakes over saltwater

Re: [Finale] Re: Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:59, Owain Sutton wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 18 Jul 2005 at 15:58, shirling neueweise wrote: /12 meters My objection to these meters is that they tell you what the subdivision is, and give you no help whatsoever with identifying the beat. I would

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Jul 2005 at 13:11, Phil Daley wrote: I can sing the music correctly the first time through, obviously, using the music. What do I gain by spending my time memorizing the same music? The ability to use your visual attention entirely to maintain ensemble with the rest of the group?

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread John Howell
At 1:11 PM -0400 7/19/05, Phil Daley wrote: At 7/19/2005 11:42 AM, John Howell wrote: At 10:47 PM -0400 7/18/05, Raymond Horton wrote: Perhaps, but that might be supposing too much. I would think it's just a term for a tool of the trade. (Personally, I heard axe years before I ever heard of

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Phil Daley
At 7/19/2005 04:17 PM, John Howell wrote: At 1:11 PM -0400 7/19/05, Phil Daley wrote: I can understand that 90% of people in those groups have to learn the music by rote, since they are clueless about actually reading the music. But why penalize me? Of course they do, and that's typical of

[Finale] Re: GPO trumpets

2005-07-19 Thread m_lawlor
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:21:04 -0500 From: Jim Williamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] GPO trumpets Does anyone know how the trumpets sound in the included 2006/GPO package? I tried listening to the GPO samples on their website and thought the trumpet was one of the worst

Re: [Finale] Re: Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-19 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 19 Jul 2005 at 8:59, Owain Sutton wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 18 Jul 2005 at 15:58, shirling neueweise wrote: /12 meters My objection to these meters is that they tell you what the subdivision is, and give you no help whatsoever with identifying the

Re: [Finale] Re: Hey! What's wrong with Creston's 12/12?

2005-07-19 Thread Owain Sutton
David W. Fenton wrote: On 19 Jul 2005 at 11:07, shirling neueweise wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I would much prefer something like: david, coming from you, this kind of comment is like someone who doesn't (want to) swim and hates being in water stating his preference for fresh

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Lora Crighton
On 7/17/05, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now where you have a problem with shifting meanings rather than with archaic slang is with the pre-WW 2 songs that use gay simply to mean happy, like Glitter and Be Gay and a ton of others. Don we now our gay apparel? Not cool! Or to be

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Lora Crighton
On 7/19/05, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I've also known legit choral conductors who insist on memorization because (a) you don't really know the music inside out until you've memorized it, (b) you can't concentrate on the conductor's every gesture and expression when half your

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Lora Crighton wrote: I actually find it easier to focus on things like tuning balance if I have my score, because I can see what the other parts are doing - I have found that, also. I'm always reading my own part at least one other. Or are you suggesting

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Jul 2005 at 17:49, Mark D Lew wrote: I can't recall ever intentionally memorizing all parts for a choral piece I'm singing in, but I would generally learn all four parts for any piece where I'm the choral director, and if I later have occasion to sing the same piece then I know all

Re: [Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.)

2005-07-19 Thread Ken Durling
I personally would always prefer having score in ensemble pieces, and prefer memorization for soloists and conductors. This is also the way many competitions are run - requiring memorization for soloists but not for ensembles. It only makes sense, IMHO. ken

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Lora Crighton
On 7/19/05, Mark D Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Lora Crighton wrote: I actually find it easier to focus on things like tuning balance if I have my score, because I can see what the other parts are doing - I have found that, also. I'm always reading my

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Carl Dershem
Phil Daley wrote: At 7/18/2005 11:43 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Ken Durling wrote: At 07:57 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is chops a clue? Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? ;) Are you

Re: [Finale] Re: Accidentals - order and spacing; bug?

2005-07-19 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jul 19, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Don Hart wrote: Finale's behavior in editing accidentals is weird and inconsistent, causing edits to be a lot harder to perform than they should be. Weird yes, inconsistent no. Every accidental has an associated horizontal offset value [*]. If that value is

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.

2005-07-19 Thread Mark D Lew
In the bad old days, singers in an opera or symphony chorus would sometimes be given parts that included only their music with no orchestra reduction. Sometimes it wouldn't even include all the other choral parts. I remember that Carmina Burana used to come with one chorus part for the mean

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. - now axe and chops

2005-07-19 Thread Raymond Horton
I know a percussionist who talks about keeping his chops in shape. RBH Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is chops a clue? Maybe... but then what happens when you're talking about sax players? ;) Are you saying sax players don't have chops??

Re: [Finale] RE: Memorizing Music (was: Blowing O.T.)

2005-07-19 Thread John Howell
At 5:55 PM -0700 7/19/05, Ken Durling wrote: I personally would always prefer having score in ensemble pieces, and prefer memorization for soloists and conductors. This is also the way many competitions are run - requiring memorization for soloists but not for ensembles. It only makes sense,

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. - now axe and chops

2005-07-19 Thread Joel Sears
We all need to keep our chops in shape, on all our axes, so that we'll do well on our gigs. JS On Jul 19, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: I know a percussionist who talks about keeping his chops in shape. RBH Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is

Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T. - now axe and chops

2005-07-19 Thread John Bell
Maybe for playing the musical saw. On 20 Jul 2005, at 03:05, Raymond Horton wrote: I know a percussionist who talks about keeping his chops in shape. RBH Not a clue as to the origins of 'ax' in any case. Well, is chops a clue? Maybe... but then what happens when you're

[Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir

2005-07-19 Thread Darcy James Argue
Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find this LA Times editorial interesting: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list