Hi folks, a plea for help again.
I've downloaded and installed the GPO update from their website (as advised
by them) but now when I come to setup GPO, the GPO option isn't available.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Lawrence
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I think that what we are discussing here comes under the category of
musical taste as well as music literacy.
My daughter is an accomplished high school musician. She plays
beautiful flute and sings 1st soprano in her school's madrigal group
and choir...but you probably don't want to copy
It sounds like you wouldn't want a copy of my iTunes folder, either ;)
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Of Lawrence David Eden
Sent: 31 March 2006 13:49
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] music literacy
I think that what we are
Was your father impressed with your taste in popular music in the 60s?
John
On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:49, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I think that what we are discussing here comes under the category
of musical taste as well as music literacy.
My daughter is an accomplished high school
At 7:49 AM -0500 3/31/06, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I think that what we are discussing here comes under the category of
musical taste as well as music literacy.
My daughter is an accomplished high school musician. She plays
beautiful flute and sings 1st soprano in her school's madrigal
John, I agree in principle with your statement about the past repeating itself,
railing preachers, etc...but as the parent of a 16-year-old son and a 12-year
old daughter, I ask the following:
Did Benny Goodman's music regularly refer to women as hos and bitches?
Did Elvis's music openly
I'm afraid that you do seem very much caught up in parental concerns
rather than musical ones. None of your objections are substantially
different to those who criticised previous generations of music.
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Of
On Mar 31, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I can't believe some of the garbage she listens to. When I compare
this to the popular music that I grew up with in the 60's, I am
appalled at what passes for music today.
Substitute 20's for '60s and you will get, absolutely
On Mar 31, 2006, at 9:41 AM, John Howell wrote:
Well, ya got trouble my friends, right here, I say trouble right here
in River City ...
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way? What's the
matter with kids today?
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
Was it as OVERT then as it is now???
Was there MTV available to have it in front of children in an engaging format
24/7?
Just asking ;-)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Owain Sutton
Sent: Fri 31-Mar-06 11:04
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: RE: [Finale] music
Overtness is in the eye of the beholder ;)
Seriously - Elvis' early gyrations were inappropriately sexual in a very
overy way, to many people at the time.
It was only a few weeks ago I was chatting with a couple of high school
music teachers, about how farcical it is that the topic of 'protest
At 10:49 AM -0500 3/31/06, Williams, Jim wrote:
John, I agree in principle with your statement about the past
repeating itself, railing preachers, etc...but as the parent of a
16-year-old son and a 12-year old daughter, I ask the following: Did
Benny Goodman's music regularly refer to women as
This is an important topic and deserves consideration by all who are
serious in their attempt to understand culture and what makes music
work.
There was a sea change in musical culture that went along with the
60's revolution. Something happened at that time that had never
happened
Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Was it as OVERT then as it is now???
Not sure; listen to the music from Hair and ask yourself that question
again. (Actually, there's a really great new recording of that show
done as a benefit for the Actors' Fund of America.)
Was there MTV available
At 3/31/2006 11:51 AM, Owain Sutton wrote:
Overtness is in the eye of the beholder ;)
Seriously - Elvis' early gyrations were inappropriately sexual in a very
overy way, to many people at the time.
Was that ovary, or overly? Is subliminal thought coming into play here ;-)
It was only a few
Then, as now, almost all contemporary music was/is dross. (Then being
whichever period, era, or style is your preferred poison.)
For my money, the most influential and still-viable music of the last 50
years (in any style) is the Beatles, and no other music I've heard comes
close. I do not
These aren't observations of purely musical/structural elements, but
an imposition of one particular value system on music to which it is
irrelevant.
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Sent: 31 March 2006 18:03
To:
OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you define
music?
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Sent: 31 March 2006 18:27
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: RE: [Finale] music literacy
Was that ovary, or overly?
Very good observations. To me, Chuck is in touch with the current music world.
At 3/31/2006 12:02 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
We are all products of the culture to which we were exposed in our
most receptive (and vulnerable) years. It is possible to expand
experience beyond that, but it's not
Wow, another emerging that I totally agree with.
At 3/31/2006 12:37 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Then, as now, almost all contemporary music was/is dross. (Then being
whichever period, era, or style is your preferred poison.)
Exactly. And you cannot understand why anyone would listen to it,
Robert Patterson wrote:
Then, as now, almost all contemporary music was/is dross. (Then being
whichever period, era, or style is your preferred poison.)
As with all creative efforts, Sturgeon's Law applies to music.
Sturgeon's Law, originally coined to apply to written fiction was 90%
of
At 3/31/2006 12:43 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you define
music?
Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary.
Rap has rhythm. End of story.
Phil Daley AutoDesk
http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley
(Side note: I am on another list that is having a huge war about
Fox's IDOL and whether anyone on it has any musical talent whatsoever.
If you haven't watched it, you should watch 1 or 2 episodes. That
was all I could take. ;-)
I lost the thread of who wrote this, but I have some inside
In a message dated 3/31/06 1:01:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From: Phil Daley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Finale] music literacy
Is rap music?I don't think so, only in the way that African drum beats
are music. To which I would vote no . Maybe we need to back up another step
and
Actually, I was quite impressed at the very high quality of popular
music last year. I imagine even the most conservative members of the
list would be impressed by many of the songs from Sufjan Steven's
_Illinois_ or Fiona Apple's _Extraordinary Machine_.
- Darcy
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At 3/31/2006 01:35 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Actually, I was quite impressed at the very high quality of popular
music last year. I imagine even the most conservative members of the
list would be impressed by many of the songs from Sufjan Steven's
_Illinois_ or Fiona Apple's _Extraordinary
Is this thread just about rap bashing? I don't seek it out, but some of
what finds me I find very compelling. For example, I thoroughly enjoy
the opening theme of Samurai Champloo. When those isolated little
piano notes come in near the end, it gives me a little shiver.
As far as gangsta
In a message dated 31/03/2006 19:27:44 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
"Rap may
have some musical elements in the background (some very basic harmonies,
usually playbacks from older recordings of other performers), but
essentially it is poetry"
I was once called upon to
On 31.03.2006 Aaron Sherber wrote:
When I hide a rest, it displays on screen as grey. Where is the setting to
*really* make it hide?
You can switch the display on or off in the View menu, Hide hidden
notes and rests
Johannes
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http://www.musikmanufaktur.com
Aaron Sherber wrote:
Hi all,
I found this setting in previous Finale versions, but now in 2006 I
can't seem to find it.
When I hide a rest, it displays on screen as grey. Where is the setting
to *really* make it hide?
Ummm... in the Speedy Entry Tool click the rest and then 'o' (for
Actually, I find a lot of Anime (Japanese cartoon) music to be very very
good. The Samurai Champloo is a great OST, but there are others as well.
A lot of the animes do use real orchestras for music as well, and most
of the soundtracks are symphonic in nature. Compare that with a lot of
the
At 01:55 PM 3/31/2006, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
You can switch the display on or off in the View menu, Hide hidden
notes and rests
Gaahhhthat's it. Thanks, Johannes.
Aaron.
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Bboth of these were massive critical and commercial successes last
year, selling hundreds of thousands of records and appearing on
virtually every music critic's Best of 2005 list.
Personally, I would kill to be so unknown!
- Darcy
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On 31 Mar 2006, at 11:08 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
Was it as OVERT then as it is now???
Was there MTV available to have it in front of children in an
engaging format 24/7?
Just asking ;-)
MTV hardly ever plays music videos anymore -- hasn't for years.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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[EMAIL
Obviously, that can't be it, since hip-hop has pitches, and (very
often, for the past 10 years or so) singing as well as rapping.
In Phil's case, it's pretty clearly not the music he's rejecting, but
the culture. Interesting that he also does not consider traditional
African music music
Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I think that what we are discussing here comes under the category of
musical taste as well as music literacy.
My daughter is an accomplished high school musician. She plays
beautiful flute and sings 1st soprano in her school's madrigal group and
choir...but you
Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Mar 31, 2006, at 9:41 AM, John Howell wrote:
Well, ya got trouble my friends, right here, I say trouble right here
in River City ...
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way? What's the matter
with kids today?
Why did the kids put beans in
Phil Daley wrote:
[snip]
My wife teaches 50 piano students a week. So many of them don't
understand the music that they are playing.
Isn't that part of a teacher's job?
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Carl Dershem wrote:
Robert Patterson wrote:
Then, as now, almost all contemporary music was/is dross. (Then
being whichever period, era, or style is your preferred poison.)
As with all creative efforts, Sturgeon's Law applies to music.
Sturgeon's Law, originally coined to apply to written
On Mar 31, 2006, at 5:11 AM, John Bell wrote:Was your father impressed with your taste in popular music in the 60s? John It's funny, I was discussing this with my dad last week. I've been working on a book and play-along CD of Beatles songs for my private students. (Don't worry--I've applied for
Phil Daley wrote:
At 3/31/2006 12:43 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you define
music?
Pitch and rhythm. Words are secondary.
Rap has rhythm. End of story.
Rap has pitch -- the same sort of subtle changes of pitch which
Schoenberg
Chuck Israels wrote:
(Side note: I am on another list that is having a huge war about
Fox's IDOL and whether anyone on it has any musical talent whatsoever.
If you haven't watched it, you should watch 1 or 2 episodes. That
was all I could take. ;-)
I lost the thread of who wrote this,
Phil Daley wrote:
At 3/31/2006 01:35 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Actually, I was quite impressed at the very high quality of popular
music last year. I imagine even the most conservative members of the
list would be impressed by many of the songs from Sufjan Steven's
_Illinois_ or Fiona
On 31 Mar 2006, at 3:48 PM, Lon Price wrote:
It turns out that 12-year-olds (at least this 12-year-old) don't
listen to Nora Jones.
I'm sorry Lon, I don't want to pick on you, but I'm amused that this
comes as a surprise to you, considering how aggressively Norah Jones
is marketed to the
dhbailey wrote:
Robert Patterson wrote:
Then, as now, almost all contemporary music was/is dross. (Then
being whichever period, era, or style is your preferred poison.)
As with all creative efforts, Sturgeon's Law applies to music.
Sturgeon's Law, originally coined to apply to written
Darcy James Argue wrote:
I'm more surprised -- well, not surprised, exactly, but
saddened -- that so many on this list are so insular and secure in
their tastes that they are completely disconnected from the musical
culture at large.
Is this not the splintering of taste in a nutshell? I
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Phil Daley wrote:
At 3/31/2006 12:43 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
OK, you started this one, so you can answer it first - how DO you
Was your father impressed with your taste in popular music in the 60s?
John
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Darcy wrote:
Personally, I'm more surprised -- well, not surprised, exactly, but
saddened -- that so many on this list are so insular and secure in
their tastes that they are completely disconnected from the musical
culture at large. And proud of it, to boot. Who's calling who
musically
On 31 Mar 2006 at 13:02, Phil Daley wrote:
The whole country is becoming more splintered by the millions of
illegal immigrants who refuse to learn English.
I was going to stay out of this discussion, but I have to register my
complete disaproval at this appalling statement.
I wish this
On Mar 31, 2006, at 6:31 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 31 Mar 2006 at 13:02, Phil Daley wrote:
The whole country is becoming more splintered by the millions of
illegal immigrants who refuse to learn English.
I was going to stay out of this discussion, but I have to register my
complete
On 31 Mar 2006 at 12:48, Lon Price wrote:
All of this said, I do believe that in general the popular music of
the 60s was far superior musically than today's music, but is that a
true statement, or just my own personal taste? I dunno.
I think that, taken as a body, the pop music of today
Was your father impressed with your taste in popular music in the 60s?
Interestingly, it was my father (b. 1927) who introduced me to Sgt.
Peppers. He had read a review of it on an airplane and was so intrigued
he went out and bought it. My only other Beatles exposure at the time
was a 45
On 31 Mar 2006, at 6:18 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
Darcy wrote:
Personally, I'm more surprised -- well, not surprised, exactly, but
saddened -- that so many on this list are so insular and secure in
their tastes that they are completely disconnected from the musical
culture at large. And proud
On 31 Mar 2006 at 12:48, Lon Price wrote:
All of this said, I do believe that in general the popular music of
the 60s was far superior musically than today's music, but is that a
true statement, or just my own personal taste? I dunno.
If you were to pick any week at random from the 60s and
On 31 Mar 2006, at 6:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
When teaching my pre-theory class I have done a weekly project
where students bring in a recording of a piece of music they
particularly like. They have to talk about the piece before it's
played, describing what's going on musically, then we
John Bell wrote:
On 31 Mar 2006 at 12:48, Lon Price wrote:
All of this said, I do believe that in general the popular music of
the 60s was far superior musically than today's music, but is that a
true statement, or just my own personal taste? I dunno.
If you were to pick any week at random
On 31 Mar 2006 at 18:57, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Mar 2006, at 6:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
When teaching my pre-theory class I have done a weekly project
where students bring in a recording of a piece of music they
particularly like. They have to talk about the piece before
The 1970's are by far my favorite decade of popular music. Stevie
Wonder, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Al Green, Sly Stone, Randy Newman,
King Crimson, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Who, Led Zep, David Bowie,
the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Bill Withers, Steely Dan, Elvis
Costello, Nick Drake,
On 31 Mar 2006, at 7:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 31 Mar 2006 at 18:57, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Mar 2006, at 6:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
When teaching my pre-theory class I have done a weekly project
where students bring in a recording of a piece of music they
particularly
On 1 Apr 2006, at 00:41, Robert Patterson wrote:
Was your father impressed with your taste in popular music in the
60s?
Interestingly, it was my father (b. 1927) who introduced me to Sgt.
Peppers. He had read a review of it on an airplane and was so
intrigued he went out and bought it.
At 12:26 PM -0500 3/31/06, Phil Daley wrote:
Is rap music?I don't think so, only in the way that African
drum beats are music. To which I would vote no .
Maybe we need to back up another step and define music?
The Grammy Awards already have.
John
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Virginia Tech
Unfortunately.
Dean
Maybe we need to back up another step and define music?
The Grammy Awards already have.
John
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Virginia Tech Department of Music
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
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On Mar 31, 2006, at 9:03 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 12:26 PM -0500 3/31/06, Phil Daley wrote:
Maybe we need to back up another step and define music?
The Grammy Awards already have.
Heh heh (nervous laugh) Maybe you should put a smiley when you make a
joke. I was almost taking that at
On Mar 31, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
Is this thread just about rap bashing?
Me, I was surprised at how much this thread *wasn't* about rap basing.
In the opera group that I frequent, I'm the *only* one who has anything
good to say about rap. Here, we seem to be a
On Mar 31, 2006, at 7:49 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
Did Bessie Smith videos (yes, there are a few, I believe) feature her
3/4 naked and writhing in simulated orgasmic ecstasy?
etc...
If you said a crowd of female dancer wearing tight short shorts and
shaking their booties you might have a
On Mar 31, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
I lost the thread of who wrote this, but I have some inside insight
(department of redundancy department), into this. A young baritone I
know was a semi - finalist (or something like that in the auditioning
process) in this debacle a year or
...Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs
in The Music Man are a form of rap ...
Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are GS patter songs
and Noel Coward.
-rob
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On Mar 31, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are GS patter
songs and Noel Coward.
And they too are rap.
Rap is not new. It is ancient.
mdl
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On Mar 31, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:It turns out that 12-year-olds (at least this 12-year-old) don't listen to Nora Jones. I'm sorry Lon, I don't want to pick on you, but I'm amused that this comes as a surprise to you, considering how aggressively Norah Jones is marketed to the
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