[Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
Has anyone found a way to make one of four bar lines in a four-voice measure stack different? I have a client who wants a system of barring favored in certain circles of early music specialists, whereby bar lines are on staff only where there is no overlap, and replaced by small dashes

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Eric Fiedler wrote: Has anyone found a way to make one of four bar lines in a four-voice measure stack different? I have a client who wants a system of barring favored in certain circles of early music specialists, whereby bar lines are on staff only where there is no overlap, and replaced by

Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors

2008-10-27 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: [snip] The only problem I have with this statement is, how are the Sibelius fixes delivered? I thought it was on a 3-yr development cycle. How can they deliver any timely fixes on that long of a cycle? They deliver update fixes, usually more than one, in between

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
Thanks Noel, FinMac 2009, OS 10.4.11 (which, by the way, _seems_ to be OK up to now. Keeping my fingers crossed ...) What you suggest could work — but I was hoping for something a little less cumbersome, as such measures occur _a lot_ in the music of the Renaissance. I guess I was hoping

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Eric Fiedler wrote: Thanks Noel, FinMac 2009, OS 10.4.11 (which, by the way, _seems_ to be OK up to now. Keeping my fingers crossed ...) What you suggest could work — but I was hoping for something a little less cumbersome, as such measures occur _a lot_ in the music of the Renaissance. I

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread John Howell
At 11:22 AM +0100 10/27/08, Eric Fiedler wrote: Thanks Noel, FinMac 2009, OS 10.4.11 (which, by the way, _seems_ to be OK up to now. Keeping my fingers crossed ...) What you suggest could work - but I was hoping for something a little less cumbersome, as such measures occur _a lot_ in the

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
Hi Noel, It sounds like you're thinking of something along the lines of Van Crevel's edition of Obrecht in 1959, where he dispensed with bar lines completely and just used little wedges above the staff to denote the tactus (take a look at his edition of Obrecht's Missa Sub tuum presitium

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Robert Patterson
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Eric Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found a way to make one of four bar lines in a four-voice measure stack different? Put it in a Staff Group with a different barline. (Staff Groups can contain only a single staff.)

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread John Howell
At 3:55 PM +0100 10/27/08, Eric Fiedler wrote: Hi Noel, It sounds like you're thinking of something along the lines of Van Crevel's edition of Obrecht in 1959, where he dispensed with bar lines completely and just used little wedges above the staff to denote the tactus (take a look at his

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Oct 2008 at 15:55, Eric Fiedler wrote: I admit to having dabbled in Mensurstrich in my youth, as this was more or less the politically correct way to notate the polyphony of the Renaissance when I was a student, but this, too, seems to be slowly dying out, and I'm pleased to

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Christopher Smith
On 27-Oct-08, at 27-Oct-08 11:54 AM, John Howell wrote: At 11:22 AM +0100 10/27/08, Eric Fiedler wrote: Thanks Noel, FinMac 2009, OS 10.4.11 (which, by the way, _seems_ to be OK up to now. Keeping my fingers crossed ...) What you suggest could work - but I was hoping for something a

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
Hi Robert, Thanks for the answer, but I'm afraid that won't work either. When I make each part a one-staff Staff Group and check Use Alternate Group Barlines in the Group Attributes dialog, _all_ the bar lines in the part are affected, when I change the type of bar line in the Measure

[Finale] Number Repeated Measures pi

2008-10-27 Thread Giz Bowe
Anyone else experiencing difficulty with this plugin? Once selecting the region and using the plugin, the repeat numbers are at different heights on different staves; they're positioned to the right of the measure instead of centered; and if I use a one-measure repeat staff style, they don't

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
John, As you have probably discovered, you can do this in Finale: 1) Get rid of the tie. 2) Make the first note in the next measure (the held-over part) invisible 3) go back to the previous measure and give the last note its proper value When you exit, Finale will bing at you and ask if you

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Robert Patterson
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Eric Fiedler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I want, of course, is the occasional _single_ measure with an alternative bar line at the end. Which seems to be impossible in today's Finale. Sigh ... You can put a staff group only on a single system (if the system

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
On 27.10.2008, at 17:46, John Howell wrote: At 3:55 PM +0100 10/27/08, Eric Fiedler wrote: Hi Noel, It sounds like you're thinking of something along the lines of Van Crevel's edition of Obrecht in 1959, where he dispensed with bar lines completely and just used little wedges above the

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
On 27.10.2008, at 17:58, David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Oct 2008 at 15:55, Eric Fiedler wrote: I admit to having dabbled in Mensurstrich in my youth, as this was more or less the politically correct way to notate the polyphony of the Renaissance when I was a student, but this, too, seems to be

Re: [Finale] Number Repeated Measures pi

2008-10-27 Thread Christopher Smith
On 27-Oct-08, at 27-Oct-08 2:30 PM, Giz Bowe wrote: Anyone else experiencing difficulty with this plugin? Once selecting the region and using the plugin, the repeat numbers are at different heights on different staves; they're positioned to the right of the measure instead of centered;

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Chuck Israels
On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Eric Fiedler wrote: On 27.10.2008, at 17:58, David W. Fenton wrote: Bar lines are only tyrants if you let them be tyrants ;-) Agreed! Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread David W. Fenton
On 27 Oct 2008 at 20:43, Eric Fiedler wrote: On 27.10.2008, at 17:58, David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Oct 2008 at 15:55, Eric Fiedler wrote: I admit to having dabbled in Mensurstrich in my youth, as this was more or less the politically correct way to notate the polyphony of the

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
Hi Robert, Graphic at: http://www.habsburgerverlag.de/Pages/Kyrie.jpg What I want here is the alternative bar lines in measure 1 of the Alto, and in measure 2 of Soprano and Alto. Nowhere else. Is this possible? Thanks for your thoughts! Eric

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Robert Patterson
Noel told you what I would do for this situation, in the first reply on this thread. What I don't understand is why you think it is cumbersome. You can define a (shape) expression to position itself automatically precisely on the left (or right) barline position, and a staff style to hide the

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Fiedler
On 27.10.2008, at 21:01, David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Oct 2008 at 20:43, Eric Fiedler wrote: On 27.10.2008, at 17:58, David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Oct 2008 at 15:55, Eric Fiedler wrote: Bar lines are only tyrants if you let them be tyrants ;-) I disagree. No matter how experienced

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Barbara Touburg
Eric Fiedler wrote: John, As you have probably discovered, you can do this in Finale: 1) Get rid of the tie. 2) Make the first note in the next measure (the held-over part) invisible 3) go back to the previous measure and give the last note its proper value When you exit, Finale will bing at you

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread Barbara Touburg
Robert Patterson wrote: Anyway, I can't find built-in tick marks that look like the ones in your example, so you would have to create a shape for them in any You could use a custom barline and add the bottom tick yourself. ___ Finale mailing list

Re: [Finale] separate barlines?

2008-10-27 Thread dhbailey
Barbara Touburg wrote: Eric Fiedler wrote: John, As you have probably discovered, you can do this in Finale: 1) Get rid of the tie. 2) Make the first note in the next measure (the held-over part) invisible 3) go back to the previous measure and give the last note its proper value When you