Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Lawrence Yates
As one of David's bad musicians I would welcome the subito to warn me of a sudden change. I don't know what dynamic the winds are playing - what they call forte in one passage may not be the same in another. Anything which makes it clearer (and therefore saves expensive rehearsal time) is worth

RE: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Lee Actor
There are some that come from the school that any subito change is bad taste, and that new levels need to be gradually moved into. Subito says no diminuendo/crescendo/accellerando/ritard. Sometimes it's even observed as such. That's a strange concept. I would offer as counter-evidence

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] I see no problem with subito mp in a part that hasn't played yet, because musicians are listening to one another and might be inclined to follow the dynamic they hear REGARDLESS of what is marked. Dynamics are not set decibel levels like the Finale playback

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread dhbailey
Lawrence Yates wrote: As one of David's bad musicians I would welcome the subito to warn me of a sudden change. I don't know what dynamic the winds are playing - what they call forte in one passage may not be the same in another. Anything which makes it clearer (and therefore saves expensive

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread dhbailey
Lee Actor wrote: There are some that come from the school that any subito change is bad taste, and that new levels need to be gradually moved into. Subito says no diminuendo/crescendo/accellerando/ritard. Sometimes it's even observed as such. That's a strange concept. I would offer as

[Finale] Violin Ties

2009-09-18 Thread Dennis Manasco
Hello -- I have an old (1910s - 20s) collection of Scottish violin music, published in Scotland. I am entering it into Finale, both to create mandolin tablature and to ensure useful and proper playback. I have several questions. This is the first: Some, but not all, of the ties have

[Finale] Pizzicato Playback

2009-09-18 Thread Michael Lawlor
[Finale 2009] I have been having problems trying to get Finale to playback pizzicato - arco changes. Before GPO/VST I had it worked out, but do not seem to be able to find the right combination of changes to make. I have tried using my old method (change patch) but this only seems to have

Re: [Finale] Pizzicato Playback

2009-09-18 Thread dhbailey
Michael Lawlor wrote: [Finale 2009] I have been having problems trying to get Finale to playback pizzicato - arco changes. Before GPO/VST I had it worked out, but do not seem to be able to find the right combination of changes to make. I have tried using my old method (change patch) but

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Chuck Israels
I have respect for Christopher's opinions. They are consistently thought out and finished, but I disagree in this case. I believe that consistency in notation is essential in order to get consistent results. Over-explaining in one instance will train musicians to expect it in other

Re: [Finale] Violin Ties

2009-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 4:09 AM -0500 9/18/09, Dennis Manasco wrote: Hello -- I have an old (1910s - 20s) collection of Scottish violin music, published in Scotland. I am entering it into Finale, both to create mandolin tablature and to ensure useful and proper playback. I have several questions. This is

Re: [Finale] Violin Ties

2009-09-18 Thread Owain Sutton
Any chance of seeing a scanned example? Is it consistent with particular rhythms? My hunch is that it's indicating a broken slur. John Howell wrote: At 4:09 AM -0500 9/18/09, Dennis Manasco wrote: Hello -- I have an old (1910s - 20s) collection of Scottish violin music, published in

RE: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread arabushk
It does, however, reflect my own experience, with musicians who have to add alleged expressivity that I don't intend. Sort of like the everything has to end with a big ritard school of thought. ajr There are some that come from the school that any subito change is bad taste, and that new

Re: [Finale] Violin Ties

2009-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 3:48 PM +0100 9/18/09, Owain Sutton wrote: Any chance of seeing a scanned example? Is it consistent with particular rhythms? My hunch is that it's indicating a broken slur. Interesting idea: a portato or hooked bowing. Which would normally be indicated by a slur plus a staccato dot

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Carl Donsbach
You could place parentheses around the subito - nice to have it there since it applies to the ensemble as a whole, not so much to the brass per se. Ryan Beard wrote: Working on a piece for large ensemble. The composer has a passage for woodwinds at forte. Immediately after the WW finish, the

Re: [Finale] harp pedal diagram

2009-09-18 Thread Andrew Stiller
I disagree. IMO it is absolutely the composer's responsibility to indicate the pedalling in any harp part, whether by diagram or by the older method of writing in the pitch names. As for harpist's preferring to do it themselves, I can only cite the example of Lejaren Hiller, whose music I

Re: [Finale] harp pedal diagram

2009-09-18 Thread arabushk
I would suppose different harpists are different. I had one tell me emphatically that it was cheating for a harpist to use someone else's diagrams. Since she never played my concerto we never did test it in practice. ajr I disagree. IMO it is absolutely the composer's responsibility to

RE: [Finale] harp pedal diagram

2009-09-18 Thread Lee Actor
I disagree. IMO it is absolutely the composer's responsibility to indicate the pedalling in any harp part, whether by diagram or by the older method of writing in the pitch names. As for harpist's preferring to do it themselves, I can only cite the example of Lejaren Hiller, whose music I

Re: [Finale] harp pedal diagram

2009-09-18 Thread dhbailey
Lee Actor wrote: I disagree. IMO it is absolutely the composer's responsibility to indicate the pedalling in any harp part, whether by diagram or by the older method of writing in the pitch names. As for harpist's preferring to do it themselves, I can only cite the example of Lejaren Hiller,

Re: [Finale] harp pedal diagram

2009-09-18 Thread GERALD BERG
Passing strange. mp subito -- is too much confusion and entire absence of harp pedals is no confusion at all! Gerald Berg From: dhbailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Finale]

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
That's a really good point Christopher ... I suspect the composer is perhaps, a little inept at orchestration ... but I could, of course, be wrong. Dean On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Thank you for the kind comments, Chuck (even though we don't agree on this!) but

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Chuck Israels
On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Thank you for the kind comments, Chuck (even though we don't agree on this!) but I was thinking about this again (too much time on my hands?) and the thing that strikes me as odd is that after F woodwinds, MP brass is not going to

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Randolph Peters
Subito mp sends a mixed message. Who ever talks about something being suddenly lukewarm? Much better to use p, pp, or even a quieter dynamic for dramatic contrast. (My comments are general in nature, not based on any actual knowledge of this piece.) If the dynamic intent is not clear from

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread GERALD BERG
It could be the the subito is correct and the m-  is not.  First performance?  I seen so many mistakes in published scores that are supposed to be fully edited.  This seems a most perfect error -- it raised a question and will find an answer.  What about wrong notes?  Who can really tell -- not

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Sep 2009 at 15:47, Randolph Peters wrote: In an orchestral setting, mezzo-anything should only be used 1) as a way of fine-tuning the balance with other instruments or 2) as an in- between kind of dynamic such as when you go from p cresc. mp cresc. mf cresc. f. Again, this is just a

Re: [Finale] TAN: use of subito

2009-09-18 Thread Owain Sutton
Randolph Peters wrote: Subito mp sends a mixed message. Who ever talks about something being suddenly lukewarm? Much better to use p, pp, or even a quieter dynamic for dramatic contrast. (My comments are general in nature, not based on any actual knowledge of this piece.) If the dynamic