Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-16 Thread Florence + Michael
Do you have an exact date for the parts? I'm looking at my copy of Daniel Koury's Orchestral performance Prcatices in the Nineteenth Century, where he gives many lists of the strengths of different orchestras. For example, in Munich in 1803, the Churbayerishe Kapelle, led by Cannabich,

[Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi everyone: I'm just asking for different perspectives on a topic. I know everyone may have different views on it, so don't get into any flame wars over this please ;) I'm working on some Wanhal (or Vanhal) and Cannabich symphonies, which have 2 oboes, 2 horns, 2 bassoons, etc plus the strings.

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread Dana Friedman
Any advice on this topic? I guess it depends on a few things: 1) Is the score for performance, publication, or some other use? 2) (If it's for performance) Are you going to be the only conductor/music director using the score? 3) (If for publication) on what size paper will

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread John Howell
At 2:37 PM -0500 11/15/08, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: I'm just asking for different perspectives on a topic. I know everyone may have different views on it, so don't get into any flame wars over this please ;) I'm working on some Wanhal (or Vanhal) and Cannabich symphonies, which

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course there is never any way to make sure that the surviving parts are the ONLY parts that were copied. You can't prove a negative! John Thanks for your reply John, but the interesting thing is, for this

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread John Howell
At 6:00 PM -0500 11/15/08, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course there is never any way to make sure that the surviving parts are the ONLY parts that were copied. You can't prove a negative! John Thanks for your

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Nov 2008 at 18:11, John Howell wrote: At 6:00 PM -0500 11/15/08, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And of course there is never any way to make sure that the surviving parts are the ONLY parts that were copied. You can't

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:37 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lots of experience with MSS from the period Kim is working and what I see is that Sinfonia a 18 would mean that there are 18 individual lines (parts) in the score. That wouldn't mean 18 staves, as the two oboes are

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Nov 2008 at 18:45, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:37 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lots of experience with MSS from the period Kim is working and what I see is that Sinfonia a 18 would mean that there are 18 individual lines (parts) in the

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really surprising thing to me has been not so much the heavy bass, but the completely sparse *inner parts*. Heavy bass can work very well with a full harmony filled out above them, but in so many cases you see part

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread John Howell
At 6:37 PM -0500 11/15/08, David W. Fenton wrote: John, your reply has actually confused me. I do think Kim seems to be mistaken, but I may have understood him, too. I've lots of experience with MSS from the period Kim is working and what I see is that Sinfonia a 18 would mean that there are

Re: [Finale] O.T. Score layout for late 18th century symphonies (winds) Cannabich

2008-11-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Nov 2008 at 0:45, John Howell wrote: At 6:37 PM -0500 11/15/08, David W. Fenton wrote: John, your reply has actually confused me. I do think Kim seems to be mistaken, but I may have understood him, too. I've lots of experience with MSS from the period Kim is working and what I see